Micro 855: The One I Cannot Kill (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

I rolled town this time thank Annie

Can we all be on together at some point and play this like a marathon again because last game would have been super fun if I wasn't scum for it

[RadiantCowbells]

Reminder not to throw around votes since there are several strategies we can use to give us a chance to win even if we read wrong

[RadiantCowbells]

Understandable given time zones

Maybe evening your time on a Saturday/Sunday would work for everyone or you could be up later on a weekend?

[RadiantCowbells]

So basically we have to play Saturday night to all be on I think

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi btw bittersweet

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Am I town?

[RadiantCowbells]

So you think PP is scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Spicy silence

[RadiantCowbells]

I thought I was likely town though or did that just mean 50/50

[RadiantCowbells]

That isn't an answer!

[RadiantCowbells]

What should I be looking at to determine your alignment?

Oh. I don't mean to encourage that. I'm going to bed gl

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi around for a while now I'm RC

[RadiantCowbells]

I dunno. Would you believe me if I said I was town?

[RadiantCowbells]

How would I convince you that I'm town?

[RadiantCowbells]

>_>

You don't feel like you're trying to sort me Bitter.

Are you around PP

[RadiantCowbells]

Just talk to me and trust your feelings.

Gut is the best way to sort people.

Do you feel like I'm trying to sort you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing I said swung me one way or the other?

[RadiantCowbells]

Just talk to me and trust your feelings.

Gut is the best way to sort people.

Do you feel like I'm trying to sort you?

I do feel pretty sorted around, yes.

Doesn't that mean that I'm somewhat likely town?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not asking you to townread me for being chatty

I'm asking you if you think I genuinely am trying to discover your alignment

[RadiantCowbells]

Because RC is obvtown obviously

[RadiantCowbells]

PP why aren't you talking to me

[RadiantCowbells]

I see. I take that to mean you are scumreading me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Interesting.

I'm leaning scum on you right now, by the way.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dunno. Feels like you're trying to attack her townread on me, fledgling though it may be, rather than sorting either one of us

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok, well that's how I'm reading you.

What does that say to you about me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Does nothing in the content outside of the fact that said content exists indicate to you that I was genuinely attempting to sort you?

[RadiantCowbells]

You're reading me by how I'm reading you but I'm not reading you either way right now so you're not really reading me either way right now which means I'm not reading you either way right now?

Hurts my brain a bit.

p-edit

I feel that I am but ok.

Explain this?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just confused by that post, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm not mirroring your read on me

I just felt like your engagement with Bittersweet was more aimed at discrediting her townread on me than sorting either one of us.

That's a reason on you, leaning scum. Does it tell you something about me?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's what it felt like to me, maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm oversensitive to these kinds of things

[RadiantCowbells]

Someone do something

[RadiantCowbells]

So what you're saying essentially is that you can't / are not going to attempt to read me and are purely going to read bittersweet?

[RadiantCowbells]

That makes me less a player and more of a passive observer who hopes that you read Bittersweet as scum regardless of my alignment, no?

[RadiantCowbells]

like... what am I doing here, then?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have tried to do several somethings. I have gotten very little from either of you. Bittersweet has just not really been sort-y and you've actively avoided engaging me. so...

[RadiantCowbells]

and regardless that feels extremely against the spirit of the game to me. I'd rather lose than win a game where my own individual contributions weren't really a part of it.

VOTE: PP

[RadiantCowbells]

Where am I misunderstanding you that you're going to determine my alignment based solely off of Bittersweet?

[RadiantCowbells]

So you say, but like... not the feeling I've gotten from anything that you've said so far.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, why does order matter? If you're sorting both of us then sort both of us. You don't have to be willing to vote Bittersweet first solely off of my contributions but

dunno.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I've had... 0 back and forth with you with regards to reading anything without threatening a vote on you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote Count

Not voting

(3): RadiantCowbells, PenguinPower, Bittersweet

Deadline is 18:45 UTC on Sunday 10 March (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-03-10 18:45:00)

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Someone do something

I mean...without interacting with Bitter I'm not going to get much of anywhere so...we wait.

Or I do at least.

How am I supposed to take this interaction if you're saying that you weren't saying that you were waiting to sort Bittersweet?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok... and that reinforces the not going to try to read you alone message where my own contributions feel irrelevant to the outcome of the game and you're not really trying to sort me, so...

[RadiantCowbells]

you don't get why it would upset me that you're trying to play a game where I'm 50% of the people that you're trying to sort by not engaging with me?

[RadiantCowbells]

like... it seems like it's not much of a game for either one of us.

[RadiantCowbells]

why does the order matter? if you end up townreading bittersweet and me do you

really

ever end up voting bittersweet over me?

because you sorta seem like you already have your sights set on how you want to resolve this game regardless of your alignment and i don't feel like i have a place in it

[RadiantCowbells]

not in terms of you necessarily voting me regardless of your alignment, in terms of that decision being made because of things that i have no control over

[RadiantCowbells]

you're repeating this but it still feels like we're saying the same thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

What's your read on me and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay. Let's do this then.

[RadiantCowbells]

We're not winning this if we're TvT together

let's just hope we're not.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also I have not at all been saying similar things about Bittersweet and yourself. Bittersweet has not seemed solve-y whatsoever as a player and has said so herself. She doesn't necessarily feel scummy though.
I'm voting you because I don't feel like my posts in thread are going to influence your vote at all and I'd rather side with the player who is going to actually attempt to sort me.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is, effectively, a policy vote on you moreso than a reads-based vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean if my presence in the game means that it stops being mafia then I'd at least like to pursue the direction that gives me a chance of actually playing mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hence why I've asked you to vote me and skip the hypothetical step of checking to see if Bittersweet is scum who cannot hammer you.
You're obviously able to force me to hammer you when it hypothetically comes down to lynching you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like it changes nothing whether you place your vote down now or later. If she's scum who can't hammer you you're just gonna vote me when she doesn't hammer you, and if v/v then you'll just get hammered.

You have said that you think that I'm scum anyway so I'm not sure what your hesitation is on placing the vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just trying to reduce the amount of steps that this game needs to take. We'll still both have ample opportunity to talk to Bittersweet hypothetically

[RadiantCowbells]

Last game I went after the person I could hammer

Why did I do that differently this game and what's my planned strategy when you tell Bittersweet to vote first and make me hammer?

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

Bittersweet probably wakes up sometime soon so.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to share music itt

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi Bittersweet apparently PP likes you more than me so we're on hold until you talk to him

[RadiantCowbells]

Any thoughts on our alignments from that?

[RadiantCowbells]

Can you talk to me about why?

[RadiantCowbells]

okay.

feel like regardless of alignment you're not super interested in talking about reasons for your reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not talking commitment. Talking like, why do you townread me.

[RadiantCowbells]

so pp isn't talking to me and brightsweet isn't talking at all

maybe i should just replace out because this isn't really a game

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you here and around?

[RadiantCowbells]

You didn't respond to my question about why I would be unable to hammer you.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, uh. Let's say I can't hammer you. What happens if, when we both agree that you're scum, you say no Bittersweet RC is scum and to prove that he is, you vote first and make him hammer.

It's not a strategy thing it's a fact that it's mechanically optimal to push on the person that you are unable to hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

On the person that you are able to hammer*

[RadiantCowbells]

It makes you uncornerable. You can justify refusing to hammer the other person because you don't scumread them. Easypeasy.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I'm fully confident in my ability to lynch the individual that I want to lynch the obvious play would seem to be going after the person that I can't be mechanically cornered for scumreading.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like that's something that you should have considered? But, uhh, sure maybe you did not.

How should I be reading you right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

What in your play should I recognize as being town!you?

[RadiantCowbells]

But I don't. You can call me scum for that if it's helpful to you but I don't townread you. I don't scumread you either. I just have nothing. And it's frustrating.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I'm struggling to read either of you right now. And I'd appreciate if I got help with that.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

Idk how I'm supposed to solve this.

[RadiantCowbells]

can like

one of you whoever is town

resolve to not be the reason that i lose this game

[RadiantCowbells]

would be really nice if i was scum and could just get one of you two dolts to vote the other

[RadiantCowbells]

No hammer /shrug

[RadiantCowbells]

Although based on my own reasoning that is meaningless regarding my alignment, so...

[RadiantCowbells]

Hmm...

[RadiantCowbells]

Going to hammer tomorrow morning if bittersweet hasn't posted.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bitter if you're town it's really time to engage me.

[RadiantCowbells]

reminder to PP that from this point on you are gamethrowing if you do not give me a chance to hammer bittersweet before giving her a vote on me even if both of you agree that i'm scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi. Reads?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok. Why?

How am I supposed to recognize that as a pro-town thought process?

[RadiantCowbells]

it's, like, 1 hour before deadline and there's not a single post from you where you explain any sort of viewpoint

you've stated reads on occasion but you've never like giving a reason for anything that you didn't waffle on

my choices right now are really replace out because i don't feel like this was actually a game of mafia, or lynch you

[RadiantCowbells]

so umm

i can lynch bittersweet

or not lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

wait

there's no rule to deal with a no lynch in this setup huh

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Bittersweet

[RadiantCowbells]

stand by this not really being a game of mafia.

both the scum and the town in this game didn't ever engage me.

[RadiantCowbells]

win or lose i'm not counting this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

you town, PP?

[RadiantCowbells]

didn't think so.

[RadiantCowbells]

like i'm not blaming you

but this was a tragedy of a game.

and if bittersweet had actually voted you before eod i'd have lynched you

[RadiantCowbells]

its really not my job to spoon feed you the game, bittersweet. not in 3p. sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

i hard scumread pp on his play

i really just needed a second townie