[SETUP] Wayward Bullets

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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:39 pm

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Does Venge activate on NK or just lynch?
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Post Post #5 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:46 pm

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Hm... Not able to work it out due to sleep deprivation, but it's probably best for traitors to claim D1.
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:40 am

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I was thinking for some reason that vigs wouldn't shoot traitors. I'm actually awake now, and thinking it over.

4v9, ~3 myslinches to win.

There's a roughly 10% chance of a town win on the first Day/Night cycle. Claims never save anyone.

I don't see a reason it can't be run, although it is pretty swingy. The game is basically decided after N1, imo.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:35 am

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Can actually be a scumwin if there's also a mislynch. Massclaiming vigs just ensures they get venged, because I think Buj implied venge ignores BP.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:11 am

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Nah, vigs shooting D1 gives about a 10% chance of a town win N1. It's just the right move. The odds of all vigs and the goon hitting different VTs is very low, comparitively. And shooting a vengeful player is just fine for the vigs, especially given the possibility of traitor venge hitting another traitor.

It's probably just fine balance wise, although very swingy. Any setup with a potential 7 kill sources is going to be swingy though.
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Post Post #14 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:14 am

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(For reference, and because I'm a giant nerd.)

N1 scumwin:

6/13 to lynch vanilla town.
5/11 to have goon shoot VT.
4/11 to have Vig1 shoot distinct VT.
3/11 to have Vig2 shoot distinct VT.
2/11 to have Vig3 shoot distinct VT.

It's approximately a 0.4% chance.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:37 pm

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Oh. Hmmm. I'd assumed standard 1 shot stops 1 kill, but the distinction isn't very dangerous. Still probably worth it given it makes a town win N2 much more likely. Drops the town win likelihood, but probably not enough to matter.
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