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VOTE: flavor leaf

Clearly trying to pocket everyone

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I just know not to take anything you say too seriously.

I find it anti-town to out your fellow Mason without them even having crumbed yet. Unless you two get your own thread and have talked about it, I don't like it. Especially since he says he's new.

So don't omgus me.

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How is it trying to pocket everyone when the immediate reaction for people after hearing it was to go after me?

Your intention isn't changed by the result. You meant to pocket and it backfired.

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I just wanted to see how many times I could make him post in a row.

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I'm betting Burk is they type who'll refuse to get an avatar just because...

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He sheeped we TLK onto me

Is this English?

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TLK and him are brothers

You would out this unprompted

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I doubt that he would try to pocket FlippyNips because flippyNips is always scum

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??!?

First game on the site. So I'm not sure how to act or play.

I must have missed his post earlier. Now it makes sense why TLK brought that up.

Yeah, Vedith’s got a 2015 join date

Is he trying to confuse those of us who can't use meta against him? Has anyone played with Vedith? I'm confused on the validity of his statement.

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I just lacked the meta to catch the sarcasm. Thanks. I just needed that context.

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Okay, FL, give me your read on Burke and Nips

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That's where I'm at too. When he was scum in your game, he didn't post at all.

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That's where I'm at too. When he was scum in your game, he didn't post at all.

That game’s not finished, so can’t talk about it.

Oh my b. Forgot that it is still going. Won't mention it again.

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Yeah Burke is probably scum

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"there's a scum chat?"

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@TLK - Burke’s driving me crazy with this talk. You KNOW he’d say literally all of this as scum, and be okay with it being scummy.

I’ve literally seen him feign noob towniness before in real life, but I’ve seen him be a big town noob too.

Everything that he posts makes me want to scream that he’s scum

Bro are you feeling alright? I didn't know my chatter would send you into an early retirement. I'm vanilla btw and I think you maybe be with me tbh.

Don’t claim that yet. makes it so if you actually are Vanilla, scum will know not to shoot you because you aren’t a PR.

Know not to shoot me? I mean living doesn't sound too bad. Also calling out dr easy bake as scum

Can you temporarily use Creature’s resized image untily you can change it yourself.

Lack of avatar makes everything you say SO scummy. And he gave you one that might make you look townie.

Prejudice is scummy

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This is the a scummiest image I've ever seen

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Is that why you won't vote, FL? Or do you already have a vote cast?

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Is that why you won't vote, FL? Or do you already have a vote cast?

Here, let me ISO that for you =/

VOTE: U r a person 2

Smoker avatars unite

Nah, I can iso. I wanted to ask him directly.

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I want to hear more from John Marv. He's pinging me as scum.

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There's a town chat?

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I want to hear more from John Marv. He's pinging me as scum.

You should interact with them in that case. Or did you just want to look like proactive?

This is me interacting with John Marv.

What do you think of the flippyNips meta discussion, Vedith?

You seem pretty aggressive considering I am actually being productive in looking for slots that are pretty low on activity. If you iso Marv, you see his posts are pretty sus. At least, that's why I decided to say anything about him.

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I am getting a lot of hate from some bunnies and the like. I cannot tell if you are ignorant like me or are taking out a pick as mafia.. I wish I could reveal myself in some way but that's the curse of vt

That's a pretty good pic, brother.

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There's a town chat?

Yes, apparently I have a PT where I can talk with all other town members and I know they're town.

You don't have access to it?

Oh that chat. Ya me 2

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What do you think of the flippyNips meta discussion, Vedith?

What meta?

And your comment was you would like to hear more. If someone says that about me I'd just ignore it regardless because there's progression effort.

I guess it was my way of drawing attention to his posts. I simply need more input from him.

Do you have a read on flippyNips?

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Damnit, I am getting a lot of different vibes from Wilky.

On one hand, he's accusing everyone of being scum and seems eager to use the newbie Burke as a scapegoat.

On the other, I see the scatter voting as fairly town since town would only be able to guess anyway.

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TLK has heard stories about Dr Easy Bake and vice versa, but they’ve never even talked to each other.

And I never will

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Multiball isn’t allowed in normals anymore, right? Could one scum be a Serial Killer do you think?

FL is serial killer again, guys.

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I downplayed my connection to FlipNips. We worked together on film sets for about 3 and a half years now, met both of our first weeks, and then i moved down the street from him after living an hour and a half away, so I feel comfortable in hyper analyzing him.

Dr Easy Bake and I have a different relationship.

He is my number 1 fan, but I am also the bane of his existence.
I also get a sick, twisted pleasure of gaslighting him.

Damn dude, way to make me look like weak and useless individual, only existing to be around you.

Dr Easy Bake is also 6’6”.

So when you gaslight him successfully and he reacts, it’s hilarious.

Damn, I wasn’t ready to come out as a member of the tall community. You’ve taken my special moment away from me.

See what I mean? FL just thinks he can air everyone's dirty laundry

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Who’s scum?

I kind of want brother knight to give a confident town read on brother sandal and then if that happens I'm going to vote wilky

I didn't even know who you were talking about at first xD

I actually think Burke is town. He's really obvious to me as either role usually.

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Nothing quite like an OMGUS vote to make my day.

@Burke, what's your Mafia/Werewolf experience? Not just on this site but as a whole?

Yeah I think its a pretty good game.

Okay. Burke is maybe scum now. This is some cheeky shit.

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also i can see town!burk better.

if burk is scum, tho, then his brother probably is, too

The thing is, he's sly enough to use newbiness to his advantage, but his questions so far have been either legitimate questions or blatant jokes. I feel like those posts are sincere.

And upon further thinking, Burke is probably fucking with L8, so I don't really think Burke is scum enough for me to vote him today.

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Yeah VOTE: John Marv.

I asked for more and got a, "Hallo."

I need a read from you, dude, if you want out of my scum bin.

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UNVOTE: L84Dnr

Please elaborate, brother.

Does this make L8 a town read for you?

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By the way, I have a tin foil theory that I need to flesh out a bit with ISO's and time. It may have to wait until D2 but I am becoming skeptical of a couple people here. Waiting to see what they do today and how they interact.

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I just want to say something about it now so it doesn't sound insane later.

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Nips and Bake are starting to beother me with their tag teaming.

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I mean, it is starting to seem like they're already buddies or are buddy-ing up to each other. I can easily see at least one scum between the two of them.

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Exactly, the verdict is still out on Nips’ scum status. Where you (Beother Sandal) have executed multiple OMGUS votes. Even just now, when we have pointed at you with the scummy finger of suspicion, you are again trying to flip it on us.

So are you saying if Burken flips red then you’d think Flips is red?

Flips flips red? I just wanted to say it...

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I want to hear more from the peanut gallery.

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UNVOTE:

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Overall here are my reads:

Most Dolphinately Scum In My Opinion:
Brother Sandal (read my previous posts)

Possibly Scum:
The First Queen (leaning towards not though)
Creature (scummy behavior but I’m entertained and don’t want them gone first day)
nippyFlips (could go either way for me, too flippy)

Probably Town:
i m an animal 4 (only reason not definite is the smoker avatar)
Persivul (only reason not definite is because they’re so quiet, only 16 posts, and I don’t truly grasp this whole “by the book” thing)
Early for Lunch (just a gut feeling)

Most Dolphinately Town In My Opinion:
Bland Branch (too damn helpful)
Vedith (just a gut feeling)

I’m unsure about the rest of ye.

The first queen could be a decent alt account name.

Now I think Nurse Hard Boil and Bland Branch could scum together. Or it's some guy trying to score points with the most influential dude in the game.

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Either way, Doc is very scummy to me.

For instance, if we assume Burke is town (which I am leaning, contrary to what most seem to think), then scum!Doc picking on the easy mislynch is pretty likely. I think Flavor Leaf mentioned something along those lines happening to Burke, and I'm inclined to agree with him now that I've seen the multiple ways people have been dog piling on him. Some accusations from the group are founded, but the reads from Doc are reaching a place of desperation.

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FL is totally the kind of guy to point out people mislynching someone, and then doing it as scum. And DEB could be the scum he's orchestrated to pull it off.

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Why would a scum be so informative, he let everyone know the dynamics he had with multiple players

Because divulging that information late would certainly incriminate him as scum by simply withholding information. And as scum, he gives his perspective on us as RL friends to everyone else. He paints the picture. The longer he waits, the more time everyone has to make their own opinions. FL brought it up so soon because he wanted everyone here to see things his way.

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some guy

pretty sure some guy referred to me.

maybe we should all tone down the nicknames juuust a tad for the sake of comprehension ;P

I mean TLk quoted me in the post when he said some guy, was referring to me in the sentence prior and talking about me. ME ME ME ME ME ME All about me hahahaha

Yes, when I said "some guy buddy-ing up to the most influential dude" I was talking about DEB trying to get in FL's pocket. Assuming they aren't just both on the scum team.

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Why would a scum be so informative, he let everyone know the dynamics he had with multiple players

Because divulging that information late would certainly incriminate him as scum by simply withholding information. And as scum, he gives his perspective on us as RL friends to everyone else. He paints the picture. The longer he waits, the more time everyone has to make their own opinions. FL brought it up so soon because he wanted everyone here to see things his way.

Allow me to elaborate:

I see nothing wrong with everyone knowing we are all friends irl. I think that is important. But beyond us being friends and my brother being here, FL's account of us is him painting a picture in his own interest. We all have the potential to be vastly different online compared to irl. And his reads on us are almost entirely based on irl versions of the game. Relavant on a case by case basis, sure. But I'd rather it wasn't FL's ploy to get everyone here to listen to him simply because he knows everyone the best.

I'm not trying to say this game is entirely in a vacuum, but that we shouldn't try to see things entirely from FL's perspective.

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Now I think Nurse Hard Boil and Bland Branch could scum together. Or it's some guy trying to score points with the most influential dude in the game.

okay, so here you were saying that Dr Easy Bake might be trying to pocket Flavor Leaf and is doing so by town reading them.

Do I have it right, now?

Yes sir.

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Since we're discussing FL and Burke, I just want to put it out there that there is not really a world in which both of these are scum.

FL probably doesn't defend his partner early the way he defended burke early here.

FL also probably doesn't act passively like this while a real push to lynch his partner builds. He might not hard defend him, but I think he does something to spice it up

very unlikely they are scum together.

now a scum FL might white knight town!burke for a little bit before backing off to watch him get mislynched anyway, but I think FL is town.

I'm mainly talking about the the italicized bit here:

FL has done exactly this by pointing out the mislynch potential. I do agree that he is not one to outright defend a scum partner, but that isn't what is happening here anyway.

But maybe it just seems weird because he's the only other person besides me who isn't hard scum reading my brother. In my experience irl, they can be really obvious when they are scum together. That's why I'm looking closely at the way these two interact.

Is there anyone else here who

doesn't

want to just lynch Burke D1?

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Hmm Nips would make sense. But if this is true, I don't think Dr Easy Bake is scum. I'll put my vote here.

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

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It's not like I haven't mentioned it before. We needed to get something going and I wanted to see how some Nips would defend themselves.

I've said once before that there is likely at least one between the two of Nips and DEB. But it could be both. But some of DEB's recent posts have been warming up to me, while Nips's have been doing the opposite.

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Icy Nips

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I think Nips is making enough of a stir. That's not my issue. I found him to be buddy-ing up to peeps early. I'll look through his iso to see if anything else stands out.

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VOTE: L84Dnr

Any particular reason?

They looked at me funny

Better?

Meh, I’ll let it slide

UNVOTE:

This feels pretty off to me. Blind votes, gets questioned, makes up random reason, unvotes blind. Yeah RVS and all that but Burke has been doing the same shit and so that's scummy by some standard. I find it could be read scummy here too.

UNVOTE: L84Dnr

Why?

VOTE: Burkenstock

Another vote with little backing.

I really just wanna get something going here.

Lynching scum doesn’t matter to you?

And this question always seems scummy to me. It's so redundant. It's a bad attempt at killing his wagon.

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Just did an iso on Wilky and he seems town to me.

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Truthfully if we lose a town during this wagoning process it wouldn't be the end of the world in my opinion. It's possible that the night kill could be blocked (no idea what the special role set up is) and then we are only one town down.

Is this technical bread crumbing?

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Truthfully if we lose a town during this wagoning process it wouldn't be the end of the world in my opinion. It's possible that the night kill could be blocked (no idea what the special role set up is) and then we are only one town down.

Is this technical bread crumbing?

hey hot take - if you think you see a pr crumb, keep it to yourself!

It was a joke. If I thought it were a legit crumb, I definitely wouldn't say anything.

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Speaking of PRs though. If Persivul is getting replaced soon, I'd love to hear what that slot has to say.

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Okay I picked this up too but didn't look back to make sure. I don't know exactly how to read this or if I'm jumping on but you're absolutely right.

I'll be damned, we agree on something.

I didn't expect Shiidaji to shift my opinion on Persivul's slot much but this could change a whole lot. If that slot's scum then Persivul's claim is bogus and has been making us think that there are more scum than there really are. That would mean that we're overly paranoid because our understanding of the gamestate is fundamentally flawed.

This is the question I've been wanting to ask during my catch up.

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it is worth noting that i don't often play Normals. the only reason i repped in was because i was trying to get a scumgame in. i asked to replace in for Marv first, but was too late and got the slot after.

i figure the odds of one of the lurking slots being scum was high-ish. the one i ended up replacing in for was town, so barring some extremely towny behaviour from Scept, it's probably never going to leave my scumlist.

Okay, now

this

is to be technical bread crumbing.

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I've got a really bad feeling about u r a person 2 after reading his iso... Let me make a case.

Before I get to it I'll say this: he makes lot of scum reads in very few words and has some grimy fluff posts, including some icky buddy-ing.

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I'll also take another look at Wilky since there's a wagon, but I don't think he's scum. Any posts I should look at?

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oh mate, you should probably read any town game listed in my wiki before making that case

because you've just described my town game

Then what's your scum game like? If you're aware of your town game, then I would like to sift through before I decide how scummy you really are.

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Spoiler:

Posts are short and lack oomph. There are more guilty of that of course, but wilky gives me the worst gut sensation so far.

Probably worth mentioning that a lot of the posts were made in a jam session where a fair few of us were all on at the same time.

We all live in a yellow submarine

Stones were better.

Ugh, you can die now

Actually

UNVOTE:

Why are you unvoting Brother Sandal now?

He’s not worth it right now he can get sorted later. I don’t like that he’s not answering my question but posting but it’s fine he can die D2

I don’t know dude, there’s no one else that gets a strong scum reading from most the people in this game. I really feel he should be the D1 lynch, if we’re wrong then we can deal with that later.

I agree with this.

Burk on the other hand is almost conf scum to me already for the slips of knowledge whilst trying to pull the newbie card.

Can you please go into further detail on what slips you were referencing, even if you no longer hold this read?

Just meant that he was trying to pull off a doesn't understand what's going on persona early in game but his posts between that clearly showed that he did.

Yup, most newbie games.

This seems blatantly fake. I'm not sure how I missed it.

Will I find a majority, or even a single newbie game in your history that help substantiate this claim?

Just read most newbie games and see how obvious at least 1 scum is most of the time.

I also want to hear more from wilky before I decide who’s a good D1

What do you want to know?


L8 has won me over now, he's town. Burke is still scum, DEB is town.

Unsure on the replacements and leaning more scum on Creature.

The bold part: why is he so insistent (multiple posts make this point) on point out that sometimes new players make new mistakes if they're scum? It could be the case, but Burke plays mafia plenty and was asking technical questions. Anything else is as likely a ploy as it is scum. The debate on Burke is definitely convincing but I want to see it out. He can come across as scummy to me and still be town.

Right I'll L-2 this it's within my lynch pool anyway

VOTE: Flippynips

Seems eager to end day by wagoning. Not an inherently scummy trait but Wilky never seemed to show Nips much attention before this.

VOTE: Burke

That's L2

Once again a wagon. But it feels desperate more so than actual scum reading. He has shown interest in Burke before and, yeah, it seems the Icy Nips wagon is no more, but ultimately Wilky is just following the group.

Wilky makes no comments on why he isn't scum. I'd like to see some sort of defense made by Wilky against everyone's accusations. I just see no real intentions behind Wilky's actions. They seem so hallow, like Wilky is ebbing with the flow of the group. Nothing more. Trying to convince us that he is of a like mind. Wilky even used such terms when u r a person 2 found they were mind-melding. That is probably just a wolf pouncing on a sheep who has fallen for the wool pulled over its eyes.

I'll vote there.

VOTE: Wilky

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I have no reason to be desperate. So I don't think that applies.

I've expressed some push back against the Wilky wagon, so I decided to do another iso of him.

Maybe I'm missing some context, but the more I thought about Wilky just agreeing with everyone and pushing previously existing leans, the more I saw it.

I do agree plenty, but I try to provide evidence when I vote. And I'm not afraid to disagree or to vote on my own.

If you or Wilky can prove that Wilky has done these things too, please do.

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I'm also pretty eager to end the day. So I put him at L-1. If he's a vig, that's a big blow. But plenty of people tried not to get killed. If he was something we didn't want to lose, I wish he said something sooner.

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Yeah, I honestly didn't know about the guideline either, me being fairly new to the site myself. I put him to L-1 thinking that he would get a chance but that he could also get lynched by eager scum.

I understand Wilky wanting to keep that hidden as long as possible hinting at a pr as town is pretty risky. I just wish we could have kept that particular pr in the game.... Obviously...

But town got some good news out of Creature's death. Ironicly fitting.

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I town read Persivul with his claim. Mostly because I wanted to believe it. And now with the town PR and the scum traitor, the 4 scum thing makes sense. The PRs this game will likely be related to this ratio and making it even.

I suppose I wanted to say that I town read Shiidaji now too.

Love the pic, btw.

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I also want to add that I wanted Wilky to defend himself. The fact that he hadn't made me feel like he was backed into a corner. You can chalk it up to protecting his precious PR, but if you're at L-2 you should probably start towning up. DEB already said a lot of what I was thinking during the night. Wilky knew we were all pretty ready to end the day and he knew the wagon on him was growing. Especially since Persivul/Shiidaji has claimed the number of mafia in the game, that role's existence should have been made known somehow. I mean, with that PR, I'd be pretty inclined to believe the informed town claim. And that's a lot of information that Wilky kept to himself.

TL;DR
I am sorry that Wilky was town, a PR at that, but I'm not sorry that I voted for him. That's his own fault.

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deb yeehaw'ing onto the hammer honestly felt expected/in-character to me

tlk dropping the thing that was on his mind (putting together a URA case) to just suddenly convince himself that wilkis is a good vote and throw together a lame case did not feel expected/in-character to me

ill put together my tlk thoughts tn my people need me

Okay that is a fair point. I was looking into doing a urap2 read and saw I needed to do a Wilky read. I knew Wilky's iso was significantly shorter, so I went there first. Put down a vote. And then the day ended 10 minutes later. I never had a chance to do a urap2 iso. I still intend to but have not bothered to yet, seeing as I have more pressing matters in this thread to address (e.g. Flips, Nips, and clever quips). But I do not deny a very sudden mental shift in my posts that did not get explained well. I hope that clears it up for you.

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@insomnia

Oooh, buddy, rolled scum this game, eh?

talk about what pinged you here?

VOTE: TLK

I'm confused about this post. Did the vote have anything to do with what what said before?

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I wouldn’t have caught Creature ever this game.

He’s my blindspot. Let’s try to NKA. Who kills Creature but doesn’t think he could be their traitor?

TLK, shiidaji, insomnia slots

but I'm only saying this because those are my top scum reads atm

ummm you by your own reasoning

probably not vedith, i know they've played together some at least

probably both brothers and DEB because I don't expect them to know much about creature

probably not chara

i don't know enough to speak on anyone else

I know Creature well enough not to nk him as scum. He's always on the cusp. Greaty lynch bait imo.

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Neat. The 5 not voting are the squad

Waddya no

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MY MAIN ISSUE WITH TLK TOWNIES PAY ATTENTION XOXOXOXOXO :::HEART:::

First, start with post 1128. This is TLK's response to D2 pressure, it's a decent response tonally. My scumread still lies with his justification of a Wilkis vote D1. Follow along as I explain!!!

In 1128 TLK just said that he needed to do a Wilky read to see how he felt about Wilky before voting, see underlined:

deb yeehaw'ing onto the hammer honestly felt expected/in-character to me

tlk dropping the thing that was on his mind (putting together a URA case) to just suddenly convince himself that wilkis is a good vote and throw together a lame case did not feel expected/in-character to me

ill put together my tlk thoughts tn my people need me

Okay that is a fair point. I was looking into doing a urap2 read

and saw I needed to do a Wilky read

. I knew Wilky's iso was significantly shorter, so I went there first. Put down a vote. And then the day ended 10 minutes later. I never had a chance to do a urap2 iso. I still intend to but have not bothered to yet, seeing as I have more pressing matters in this thread to address (e.g. Flips, Nips, and clever quips). But I do not deny a very sudden mental shift in my posts that did not get explained well. I hope that clears it up for you.

Let's go back then. TLK ISO'd and voted Wilky on

March 15th

.

Spoiler: March 15th

I'll also take another look at Wilky since there's a wagon, but I don't think he's scum. Any posts I should look at?

The bold part: why is he so insistent (multiple posts make this point) on point out that sometimes new players make new mistakes if they're scum? It could be the case, but Burke plays mafia plenty and was asking technical questions. Anything else is as likely a ploy as it is scum. The debate on Burke is definitely convincing but I want to see it out. He can come across as scummy to me and still be town.

Right I'll L-2 this it's within my lynch pool anyway

VOTE: Flippynips

Seems eager to end day by wagoning. Not an inherently scummy trait but Wilky never seemed to show Nips much attention before this.

VOTE: Burke

That's L2

Once again a wagon. But it feels desperate more so than actual scum reading. He has shown interest in Burke before and, yeah, it seems the Icy Nips wagon is no more, but ultimately Wilky is just following the group.

Wilky makes no comments on why he isn't scum. I'd like to see some sort of defense made by Wilky against everyone's accusations. I just see no real intentions behind Wilky's actions. They seem so hallow, like Wilky is ebbing with the flow of the group. Nothing more. Trying to convince us that he is of a like mind. Wilky even used such terms when u r a person 2 found they were mind-melding. That is probably just a wolf pouncing on a sheep who has fallen for the wool pulled over its eyes.

I'll vote there.

VOTE: Wilky

The thing is, TLK claims that he had

already

just finished an ISO of him in 785 on

March 14th

, one real-life day before his vote post.

Spoiler: March 14th

Just did an iso on Wilky and he seems town to me.

So let's all put on our thinking caps and break this timeline down::::::

(Post 785 March 14, 05 PM) TLK ISO's Wilky, TLK thinks Wilky is town

(Post 950 March 15, 12 PM) TLK will take another look at Wilky, but he still thinks Wilky is town

(Post 959 March 15, 01 PM) TLK makes a big vote post for Wilky


Inbetween 785 and 950, there were

ZERO WILKIS POSTS

. What does that mean? That means that

the Wilkis ISO had not changed at ALL

ever since his first read through the day prior. There were however,

four votes for Wilkis

inbetween 785 and 950. Remember, I replaced in at that time. URA even voted for Wilkis in-between 950 and 959, making it five votes.

Conclusion

TLK fabricated his Wilkis scumread as an opportunistic vote when he noticed the town flow pushing towards a Wilkis lynch.

It's completely possible for your read on a player to shift over time. Flavor Leaf did on L8. It is however absurd to imagine that TLK thought Wilky was Town, then on a re-read confidently proclaimed Wilky as scum,

with no new Wilkis posts to help change his mind

.

Finally we'll take a look at his vote post in a second so I can talk about why it's scummy.

TLK feels like self-conscious scum to me here and I will try to explain why. Despite originally townreading Wilky's ISO, then scumreading that same ISO now, TLK makes no mention of what changed his mind in the first place. What he liked before that he didn't like now. Instead, he makes incisive comments that have not been mentioned before in what feels like an effort to be original.

Also, after TLK typed "wool over its eyes.", he thought it necessary to press enter, type "I'll vote there.", press enter AGAIN, and then vote Wilky. This doesn't feel like the TLK I was introduced to at the beginning of the game, it's self-conscious. I have personally found some newbie scum to be afraid of just outright sheeping or naked voting, especially those that have not established a "Creature"-like sense of quick posting. To them, it would seem out of character to just quick vote. Thus they overcompensate with posts like this.

You must have missed this one. Is this the post that explains my thought process, or is there any further self-iso-ing I need to do?

I'll also take another look at Wilky since there's a wagon, but I don't think he's scum. Any posts I should look at?

New evidence came to light. I looked at him with ideas others had in mind. And, like you pointed out in my vote post, I mainly wanted to force him to talk. DEB hammered before he did, but that's just because this is kinda a newbie game. My intention was to get info while maybe ending the day.

That's honestly all you're going to get from my VA.

(p.s. My posts get submitted or previewed constantly to check the format.

Especially

when I use spoilers, which I did above. I thought I'd touch on that point too, even if it is kind of random. All my votes have lots of analysis, so it isn't a break in pattern at all.)

[The Last Knight]

I like your post about him. He does seem wishy-washy at times. It's a good case. I'll look into it though because I did think he was trying to game solve for awhile and I want to see where you thought he wasn't.

I like looking at ISO's a second time with someone else's point of view to see if I can get there given the same information.

[The Last Knight]

Just to be clear about the big quote-fest above:

The reason I looked at Wilky again wasn't because he or I said anything, it was because others were talking about Wilky.

[The Last Knight]

Also, after TLK typed "wool over its eyes.", he thought it necessary to press enter, type "I'll vote there.", press enter AGAIN, and then vote Wilky. This doesn't feel like the TLK I was introduced to at the beginning of the game, it's self-conscious. I have personally found some newbie scum to be afraid of just outright sheeping or naked voting, especially those that have not established a "Creature"-like sense of quick posting. To them, it would seem out of character to just quick vote. Thus they overcompensate with posts like this.

as is this. if tlk is scum, you probably flip town, huh?

Rereading this excerpt from Shiidaji's post helped me realize what exactly was being said, and it just sounds like such a reach. I finished a paragraph and gave space to vote because votes are significant enough to get their own paragraph, in my opinion.

I press the enter key to organize my thoughts better. I think I have breaks in almost all my posts longer than two sentences. Its just how I type, since I basically learned to type on osrs and wow. Not to mention any form of instant messaging, the basis for most communication for almost everyone, requires constant "enter" key spam. It's simply not AI.

[The Last Knight]

~A TLK lynch will provide some information. His main interactions were with FL in the first posts of his. Scum don't usually talk with each other or ask each other questions that much, so if TLK flips scum, then FL is probably town, which would be of great help with my reads, since I find FL to be a hard read. If he flips town, then his read on Burk is legit and we get rid of an easy mislynch coming from scum and anyone pushing Burk would be automatically suspicious.

@Insomnia

Honestly, this was more of RVS and I was planning to roast FL in my first post regardless. He just happened to say something before me, which gave me fuel for my shade.

I guess I'm confused how me going after FL specifically is AI if you say neither of us are scum? It just feels like you're trying to get a wagon on me because you know I'm town, via the second half of the post.

Also, why would you even care about a mislynch on town!Burke if you had to mislynch town!me to get there? That logic is super flawed.

I'll have to give more of a read of your slot over the next few hours. Hang tight while I do so.

[The Last Knight]

VOTE: TLK

This is a great lynch for today. If it flips scum, and I really think it will, it basically lock towns Shiidaji for me, which is good.

I'm town, bud.

And, like Vedith said, Shiidaji was basically already conftown because of Persivul. Which is a shame because she scumreads me.

[The Last Knight]

Btw, I do not know Flavor Leaf irl (seems worth mentioning in this game ).

What was the point of this post?

Humor. Same as posting a waves pic.

Anyway, stop coast-ing. After 5 days and 20 pages you have no thoughts? If I can form a read after just a light skim, so can you.

Okay, so the John Marv -> Scepticism -> Insomnia slot has been pinging me from the beginning. I don't really know why Scept left but this post was his last.

The last line in particular does imply something for me: maybe the reason he was able to make such a quick read after a skim was because he knew everyone's alignment already. Maybe Occam's Razor, maybe wifom. But it just popped into my head when reading, so I thought I'd say it.

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

[The Last Knight]

I'm going to approach a new analysis that's totally not stolen from someone on this website

L8 votes FL and unvotes in like 5 posts and then FL tr's L8, but L8 has never dropped a vote that quick. I can just say if one of them flips scum, the other has a high chance of being scum.

I'm careful with FL, he's a good player, I had my first game against him and he spotted my scum ass on night 2 and got my scum bud lynched day one. For that reason, I expect him to catch some scum, otherwise through the almighty BoP, he's probably scum himself.

I like the meta you presented about yourself here.

Question about the first half: do you mean that L8 never dropped a vote that quick in this game or over several games?

[The Last Knight]

But it looks like strong scum play to me, and that’s what’s sticking out for me the most right now.

yah it does

VOTE: shiijadi

You are voting an informed townie claim on day one, hope you realise what you're doing

Send me one scum game where Persivul claims anything as scum, bolded, on day one, on the first page and after you'll tell me you didn't find anything, convince me why he'd start doing it now.

VOTE: urap2

You're making my post seem scummy and you're trying to throw shade on me, when my read makes perfect sense

I was getting pinged by the posts leading up to this, but I like this post from you, Insomnia. Although, that's because it's true, for your posts do seem scummy leading up to this point.

It feels like you're trying to gain town points by arguing so heavily in favor of conftown Shiidaji. And then you become aware of it after the fact. Stinks, man.

I'll vote there.

VOTE: Insomnia

[The Last Knight]

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

I don't understand this. What legacy does he have to live up to?

What can't he scum his way out of? The post you quoted?

The legacy of John Marv and Scepticism being scummy af.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

So I'm saying that even if he is good at scum, the people he had to sub in for screwed him over.

[The Last Knight]

Hi, @Zulfy, can we have another VC, please?

[The Last Knight]

Yeah, sure, just a sec. I'm sure there's something.

Mainly, I just wanted to like him because he was posting. I lost track of who replaced who and then put it all in context, hence the post about putting it in perspective with the other two before him.

But give me a sec and I'll find something that I liked too.

[The Last Knight]

Reading TLK's ISO now and I'll give you my thoughts

Mar 18, 2019 10:37 am

Vedith, why are you ignoring me this game?
What's your read on TLK?

Mar 18, 2019 11:29 am

@TLK what's your opinion on L8?

Mar 19, 2019 11:19 am

I'm pretty curious to find out what happened in between these posts.

And I really do need a new updated read in urap2 and L8 myself. I'll do that next.

[The Last Knight]

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

I don't understand this. What legacy does he have to live up to?

What can't he scum his way out of? The post you quoted?

The legacy of John Marv and Scepticism being scummy af.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

So I'm saying that even if he is good at scum, the people he had to sub in for screwed him over.

i dont know how you got scummy af if they hardly said a word then replaced out they were both big fat nulls to me

Idk, you're the scum lurk-king. You tell me. I definitely don't like lurkers. But I did quote a Scepticism post, if you want to check out why I thought that was scummy.

[The Last Knight]

Urap2
L84Dnr
DEB

Flips
Vedith
Chara

Burkenstock
The Last Knight

Shiidaji
Insomnia


I think this is where I’m at right now. The tiers aren’t ordered. My town reads are stronger than my scum reads, but I expect to be wrong somewhere.

FL, can you explain this post more? I thought that this was towniest -> scummiest. But if the tiers aren't ordered, I don't know what this means. Are these scum team combinations that you've come up with?

If you do scum read me, could you please explain to me why? I'll try to justify this.

[The Last Knight]

Why not Burkenstock?

I'm asking because I'm as good at tunnelling as the next person, so what are you seeing that I'm not?

Who do you suggest for the lynch?

Then what does make someone scum to you?

You want the long list or the short one?

- Burkenstock: Purely reflexive play and active lurking.
- Scepticism: Poor reasoning and passive lurking.
- Creature: Pure fluff. Yes, I checked his meta and he does this as town. He also does it as scum but less actively.

As far as I can see from L8 is that he calls out noobs, hates lurkers, and harps on fluff.

I don't really see this as AI though. It just makes me null read him.

Does this look like a scumslip to anybody else?

In addition John Marv slot is town...

Here's John Marv's total contribution to the game:

VOTE: L84Dnr wagon

Vedith Persivul maybe town

Hallo

Three whole posts that you could type in under a minute. I can't fathom how Shiidaji is getting a town read so solid that he can state that "John Marv is town" with such certainty out of those three lines.

...so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through.

And then goes on to laud Scepticism, who has only been marginally more active and whose first act was to vote Wilky based on what I consider to be rubbish reasoning. Possible scumwagon?

Something is fundamentally wrong here and Shiidaji needs to explain it. I don't like to do this to somebody replacing in but this is a whole lot of red flags.

VOTE: Shiidaji

This also feels either way for me:

1) if he's calling out Shiidaji for liking a slot scum read by L8, then it makes sense for town!L8 to pressure Shiidaji for this. I disagree with voting for Shiidaji because I don't think she's scum and that this is L8 misdirecting his scum read for some weird town reason.

2) it would also make sense for scum!L8 to purposely try to weaken reads from others on Shiidaji's slot. But I don't think it is a very smart choice.

Overall, mostly seems like L8 is trying to game-solve, but I also disagree with all of his reads. So null.

[The Last Knight]

Yeah, sure, just a sec. I'm sure there's something.

Mainly, I just wanted to like him because he was posting. I lost track of who replaced who and then put it all in context, hence the post about putting it in perspective with the other two before him.

But give me a sec and I'll find something that I liked too.

Is 1240 the follow-up to this?

If not, what happened to this?

That was technically the follow up, yeah.

Sorry, I do this almost all on mobile while at work in between performing. I have a few tabs open trying to work it all out.

[The Last Knight]

@chara What do you think about him basically contradicting that post in the next post?

i see what.. might be viewed as a contradiction, but it doesn't look like one when i think about it.
he's saying insomnia makes posts that sound towny, an indicator of good scum, but which won't be enough to overwrite the scummy behaviour of previous slots. and that it looks like he's trying too hard for towncred, and using Shiidaji slot for towncred.

am i misunderstanding/missing something?

That's about it, yes.

[The Last Knight]

@TLK i mean i've been busy, trying to post when i can. also lurking doesn't always mean scum.

i understand not liking lurkers but that doesn't mean they're scum. once it can be identified as active lurking i feel that's different, but that's not the case here

Nah, it was just a jab. You aren't lurking so much this game, but it's almost comical how often you got scum and then lurked.

I personally target lurkers because I want to see how everyone feels in the thread but also particularly because it's really easy to let other people dig their own graves as scum. At least in my irl experiences.

[The Last Knight]

Yeah, sure, just a sec. I'm sure there's something.

Mainly, I just wanted to like him because he was posting. I lost track of who replaced who and then put it all in context, hence the post about putting it in perspective with the other two before him.

But give me a sec and I'll find something that I liked too.

Is 1240 the follow-up to this?

If not, what happened to this?

That was technically the follow up, yeah.

Sorry, I do this almost all on mobile while at work in between performing. I have a few tabs open trying to work it all out.

Right, the thing I wanted to say about Insomnia, other than voting:

I agree with a lot of the reads and pushes on these slots. That is a lot of the reason why I liked this slot. I liked it so much that I forgot who replaced who. Then I went back and realized that it's likely all bullshit.

[The Last Knight]

I'm not disregarding it. I think that you're scummier. I said that the reasoning is rubbish and smells synthetic. You voted RUAPerson2 because you disagreed with his vote. That isn't a reason, that's an excuse.

I like this post from L8. Voting someone because you disagree with their vote is bad form.

But that's kind of weird though because L8 voted Shiidaji and it seemed like it was because they didn't want to vote someone.

Not quite the same, but interesting comparison.

[The Last Knight]

That was technically the follow up, yeah.

Those are bits that you found townie from insomnia, right?

Okay, so it seems like you're trying to get me to say that Insomnia looking into my iso makes him townie.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I simply saw he was looking into me, asked someone else about me, and then asked me for my read on someone else. All of this, without posting his read on me. I just got curious what the result was.

And then never found a post to quote that I liked. It was more of the tone and the volume of posting. But that's about it. The content itself just comes off pretty scummy now that I have come to that conclusion.

Specifically though, the stuff about how he calls himself out for being scummy can be seen as town, but in full context he seems scum.

[The Last Knight]

Thanks for hearing me out. I will give you a read of your iso when I get home, urap2. Leaving work now.

[The Last Knight]

These posts are probably good to read first for context on the game as a whole

Spoiler:

Can someone give me a quick diagram of who knows who in this game from outside of the MS website?

Allow me.

I know TLK, Burkenstock, Dr Easy Bake, and Emperor FlippyNips.

I met Dr Easy Bake 5-6 years ago, he now lives across the country, and I met FlippyNips separately from that. However, we’ve played on our Xbox’s together for about a year now.

I worked with TLK for about 8 months last year, and he’s hung out in group hangouts a couple times with FlippyNips. Not too much, though.

I met Burkenstock through TLK, because they’re brothers, and since Apex Legends came out, we mix and match play that with flippyNips, Dr Easy Bake, and Burkenstock, so they only know each other slightly.

TLK has heard stories about Dr Easy Bake and vice versa, but they’ve never even talked to each other.

I downplayed my connection to FlipNips. We worked together on film sets for about 3 and a half years now, met both of our first weeks, and then i moved down the street from him after living an hour and a half away, so I feel comfortable in hyper analyzing him.

Dr Easy Bake and I have a different relationship.

He is my number 1 fan, but I am also the bane of his existence.
I also get a sick, twisted pleasure of gaslighting him.

I like posts like this. These are protown and give me good vibes.

[The Last Knight]

P.edit this also works as an answer for wilky

Well
I'm town reading to differing degrees
L84dnr
You
Persivul
FL
emperor flippynipps

and I'm sheeping TLK's town read on his brother.

But if brother sandal is scum, TLK probably is, too.

So I'd say you might want to look into anybody else?

But I never understood why Burke and I had to be lumped together. It feels like you're only saying it because we're brothers (something that I think should be avoided imo). I don't think I missed you saying anything about why this is a causality argument, so if you could explain what you mean that'd be great.

This is my main gripe with you.

[The Last Knight]

@u r a person 2

If you could give me a sweeping tier list (of hopefully half or more of the remaining group) with as much or as little analysis as you want, I'd be able to understand where you stand. Then I can fully give you my account of you.

[The Last Knight]

It's a big ask, so if you prefer that I give you my read as is, then I will do so.

[The Last Knight]

Spoiler:

Oh baby here we go, being voted by both of my scum reads, catching scum has never been easier

Yeah, sure, just a sec. I'm sure there's something

This smells funny. ^

do you mean that L8 never dropped a vote that quick in this game or over several games?

This game, I don't rely on meta.

Also, why would you even care about a mislynch on town!Burke if you had to mislynch town!me to get there? That logic is super flawed.

You have just said my logic was flawed and now you say my logic is good. Which one is it? Are you trying to make me tr you and make me feel like we're on the same page?

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see

Overall, mostly seems like L8 is trying to game-solve, but I also disagree with all of his reads. So null.

L8 has me as a scum read and you are agreeing with him. You contradicting yourself twice in a row now is concerning, mainly because I get pushed by L8 so you cling on this push with him to get suspicion off of you. You're a rather opportunistic fella, I see.

So many scum slips coming from you, TLK.

VOTE: TLK


Also, addressing more of your posts.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

This falls under the argument "You are so town you must be scum", which is invalid. Someone like me sounds town most likely because they are town. If you didn't like my posts, you wouldn't be tring me. Truth be told, the argument does not follow: it is just as (if not more) probable that people who act Pro-Town are in fact, Pro-Town. The argument itself carries no weight, since the same assertion can be made in the opposite manner: You are so scummy, you must be town.

Also, thanks for that migraine you just gave me after reading this. I'm quite sad that nobody noticed this.

1) if he's calling out Shiidaji for liking a slot scum read by L8, then it makes sense for town!L8 to pressure Shiidaji for this. I disagree with voting for Shiidaji because I don't think she's scum and that this is L8 misdirecting his scum read for some weird town reason.

2) it would also make sense for scum!L8 to purposely try to weaken reads from others on Shiidaji's slot. But I don't think it is a very smart choice.

Misdirect for some town reason????
It's not a smart choice??? When you have an

Informed TOWNIE

claim on day one, it does make sense to try and kill the claim, since it's conftown. You're underestimating everyone here. It's cool though, you had your shot at clearing your scumminess, but you failed miserably. You pushing me after L8 did reads to me as you trying to grasp on the single thing that's getting you out of a lynch today.

The main thing your missing here is this:

I wanted to town read you because I liked

your

posts, but I am resigned to write off your town-Ness as good scum because your predecessors pinged me so hard. So in retrospect, your posts became scummy.

If that ride was hard to follow, that's the best I can summarize.

[The Last Knight]

How do I edit grammar mistakes? It burns my eyes...

You ask your friendly neighborhood Zulfy

[The Last Knight]

order is irrelevant. Town are people I'm probably never voting.

Town
L84Dnr
Flavor Leaf
Vedith
Chara

Not town
Burkenstock
The Last Knight
Shiidaji
Insomnia
Dr Easy Bake
Emperor flippyNips

I'm just gonna say you're town, dude. Your heart is in the right place anyway.

[The Last Knight]

You ask your friendly neighborhood Zulfy

Thanks, bud, but it isn't crucial. Good to know for the future though (:

[The Last Knight]

When you have an

Informed TOWNIE

claim on day one, it does make sense to try and kill the claim, since it's conftown.

No, it's claimed town. Scum also know that there are 4 scum, so "Informed Townie" would be an easy claim to fake.

And that brings up the interesting question of why the Persivul/Shiidaji slot didn't get the NK.

That second part is a really interesting point that I want to agree with.

But as for scum knowing how many there, wouldn't the existence of a traitor make scum think that there are fewer scum than there actually are? Or is the scum team informed of a traitor's existence?

So, if they wouldn't know there was a potential traitor before a claim like informed town, how could an fake claim as informed town coming from scum be accurate?

[The Last Knight]

I covered that post in my discussion!! Right there, you quoted it. My point was that you didn't actually look at him with ideas others had in mind, your post to me looks like a premeditated, "how can I jump on this wagon without coming across too scummy" post. I have a tendency to read these types of playstyles as scum and be accurate at picking them out, because of how pronounced and in order the post was in comparison to the "character" I saw of you at the beginning of day one you get me??

I see that now. My bad. But, really, beyond what I have already said on this point, there is nothing more to it. Take my word or not, but I have nothing more to say in response anymore.

TLK can you share what this was yet::::

By the way, I have a tin foil theory that I need to flesh out a bit with ISO's and time. It may have to wait until D2 but I am becoming skeptical of a couple people here. Waiting to see what they do today and how they interact.

I wish I could. I remember your hw assignment and I want to follow up to earn town points with you (since you are a hard town read for me), but it hasn't played out like I wanted. This could just mean that my hunch was wrong. But I might as well keep quiet in case it still becomes something.

If I get to D3, I'll just say it though.

That's how I feel atm, the more I read his twilight play around Wilky getting voted and the resulting direction of play in D2 the less I like him, plus there are multiple interactions of his that I can see fitting as the third puzzle piece to my initial FL-TLK-XXX idea.

I'll vote there.

VOTE: Insomnia

u cheeky boy

Would scum TLK intentionally vote in the exact same way, with the exact same pattern as he did in the post that I accused him in? I remember from ISOing you there being cases where you don't do this.

I'm a cheeky mofo. This not AI. But I am town, if that helps. (;

@TLK I'm looking forward to seeing whatcha got tonight

@Shiidaji What do you think about TLK these last few pages?

Frustrated because despite my initial reads and my case the last few pages feel like they're coming from town that is trying to earnestly reverse public opinion on him. Like I want my original read to be correct and to lynch him tho lmao u feel me. The only post that stuck out to me that I didn't like recently was the one where he asked FL about his read tiers, it didn't feel legitimate and felt like a filler ((content post)) but maybe that's because I found it immediately obvious what he meant. Insomnia clearly didn't pick up on it either so I'm not pushing this.

I'm glad you came around.

That post was me addressing a fairly ambiguous post by FL. if someone else can make more sense of it than I could, I accept your interpretation.

[The Last Knight]

Did you ask me something?
I'm waiting to see how I feel on you. Donner thing you were obvious town for me.

And we both know I really want us to be town together \o/

TLK I'm not sure. I'm not confident to call Scum there but I'm willing to listen to a case and probably defend it if it's weak.
Am I wrong?

The reason I feel less confident in townreading

I'm not here to convince you of me town.
TLK I was thinking more likely Scum but I feel that less by the time the day started.

Shiidaji

FL

URA

Insomnia

L84Dnr

Chars

DEB

Nips

Burken

TLK

VOTE: TLK

Bruh, what happen?

[The Last Knight]

yeah FL meant that the order within the tiers wasn't relevant, but the tiers themselves were. It's a fairly standard thing on this site, so don't feel bad about missing it.

VOTE: insomnia

Insomnia is still hitting the notes for what I understand to be his scum game. can figure out tlk later

Okay that makes sense.

I understand now.

[The Last Knight]

Under the Normal guidelines for Traitor the scum team should know of the Traitor's existence.

Does the Traitor know who the scum are?

[The Last Knight]

I'll just look it up.

[The Last Knight]

When I find some time at work, I'll do a big sweep read of the group.

[The Last Knight]

I'll stand by that as well, speaking as the previous L-1 voter. Especially considering the self vote.

I really want to hear from the folks who have remained silent for whatever reason, legit or not. We need to hear from them before anything else happens.

[The Last Knight]

UNVOTE: Insomnia

Okay hold on. Let's chill a sec until a few people say some shit. It's been almost two days since some people spoke up. I want to hear what they have to say.

[The Last Knight]

Yeah, pipe up, Vedith. You got some 'splainin to dew

[The Last Knight]

Hmm I'm at L-2, it seems.

I'll vote on Insomnia but I still want to see what all the people have to say. It'd be easier to point out who

has

contributed. It feels like some people have real life shit in the way and then the scum are taking advantage of it and lurking.

I'll keep my eye out and if anyone else actually posts today we can get a discussion going.

VOTE: Insomnia

[The Last Knight]

Woah woah I'm Super Saint!

If you want someone to hammer me, we should be careful who it is.

I feel a lot more comfortable revealing this PR now that FL has claimed one too. So now scum will have to choose between us.

But, seriously, don't vote me, let alone hammer me.

[The Last Knight]

Idk how ended up looking scummier than Insomnia.

DEB and Insomnia are probably scum together since DEB never voted on that wagon. He's completely changed from yesterday. Why all the sudden the drop in activity from Nurse Hard Boil? It's not an excuse to blame Burke's low activity of there are plenty of interactions to comment on. His last post before his vote mentioned how he has missed a lot. So post!

DEB has also only ever thrown slight shade at Insomnia (your avatar is giving me shifty looks, or something in post 1032), but have never voted. Even on a wagon, which for him, is kind of weird, actually.

[The Last Knight]

Super Saint takes down the person who hammers with them when the are lynched.

[The Last Knight]

My vote is still on Insomnia because he was locktown from D1. Don't vote me though.

[The Last Knight]

At this point, it's a death sentence... I don't want town to go down with me.