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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:59 am

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VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

No RVS vote shows lack of desire to solve the game.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:02 pm

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In post 1, Jingle wrote:Repeated hydra and alt slips will be punished by starting rumors about the player responsible.
Hm.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:04 pm

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In post 6, RadiantCowbells wrote:don't rvs vote. don't vote at all.
Actually, good point
In post 9, Shoshin wrote:You sound very reasonable, RC.
Real or sarcasm?
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Post Post #24 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:09 pm

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In post 21, u r a person 2 wrote:RC might actually be town.
Based on his attitude and the distortion it took for him to get to the idea that Shoshin is scum, I would agree with you.

I agree shoshin is probably scum, I just doubt that it's for the reason RC thinks it is.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:14 pm

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In post 25, Shoshin wrote:Hmm, not sure if RC's paranoia is fake or real. He knows at this point that he's paranoid of me every game but this seems a bit too soon for it, plus I feel like he'd probably wouldn't be coming after me like this so early.
How well do you know each other?
In post 28, Shoshin wrote:I'm town, Enter.
Ok, my bad.
Shoshin wrote:If I were scum, I'd be trying to buddy up to RC, not mislynch him.
That's fair enough. I believe that.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:15 pm

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In post 42, Shoshin wrote:I'm not letting you lead shit, RC.
That's a really good idea.

Inb4 RC/Shoshin is scum theater
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Post Post #56 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:18 pm

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In post 50, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 48, Enter wrote:
In post 42, Shoshin wrote:I'm not letting you lead shit, RC.
That's a really good idea.

Inb4 RC/Shoshin is scum theater
no, definitely don't let the person with the best reads lead.
Of the three active posters I've played with before, I trust Urap over either of you. I don't know shoshin so that says nothing about her, but your reads were terrible last time we played.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:24 pm

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What is scum theater
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Post Post #90 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:34 pm

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In post 88, u r a person 2 wrote:but think it's not very likely this is SvS
Talk about this.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:37 pm

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In post 93, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 90, Enter wrote:
In post 88, u r a person 2 wrote:but think it's not very likely this is SvS
Talk about this.
There's not much to talk about. RC is still going at shoshin hard even without the vote, and my initial reaction is that it probably isn't SvS.
What reason does he have to stop going at her hard until someone else comes in the thread? You haven't given good reason for him to shift to you, and it would be really awkward for them to both agree to invite each other and then shut up.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:39 pm

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In post 96, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 92, RadiantCowbells wrote:i don't think it's specifically paranoid of you for me to scumread you calling me scum on the first page right after I spelled out my feeling that scum's primary goal in this game is to attack my town standing.
I think if you're at all self-aware you probably expected that SOMEONE would scum read you for claiming that anyone scum reading you is scum in post 1
I don't think he is, though. Which is why I think his reads can't be trusted.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:18 pm

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In post 112, RadiantCowbells wrote:oh and EE? don't talk shit about my town game.
Play a good town game instead of spending more time talking yourself up than actually playing and there won't be any problems.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:26 pm

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Naw. I don't think your town game is bad. I don't know that your reads are bad. I know you have a tendency to lose your sense of self and get far more paranoid than you should be and you spend more time in your own head than you do in the game now. You play like you're so scared to be wrong you won't let yourself be right. I want you out of your head playing the darn game. I don't want a repeat of marathon, and that's where it looks like this is heading. There's nothing personal here, I respect you as a person and a player, I just also want you playing your best, and the paranoia kills me. So does the relentless talking yourself up.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:31 pm

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In post 117, RadiantCowbells wrote:I wouldn't be so scared to be wrong if people didn't policy lynch me whenever I was wrong.
That's fair. Just saying relax.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:19 pm

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In post 149, Aubrey wrote:I’m tired of reading this idea that Paragons are going to just pick RC because he has a history. I’m not going to do that. If he does scummy shit, yea I’ll be nominating him. But voting someone because they solely have a rep is poor judgment.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:20 pm

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In post 143, Shoshin wrote:I tend to have better reads as the game develops, don't think I've ever heard of someone with better D1 reads than later.
I have. It happens more when you doubt yourself or overnight yourself.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:48 pm

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rc and urap, you both think stk are scum, correct?
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Post Post #182 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:50 pm

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In post 180, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 178, Enter wrote:rc and urap, you both think stk are scum, correct?
I'm leaning that way, but not on their play. Null by play
In post 181, RadiantCowbells wrote:
rc and urap, you both think stk are scum, correct?
i have made no comment on my scumreads and i don't plan to until michael scott and singletonking have posted more
Awesome, that's all I needed to know, thanks.

@shoshin, what do you think about these posts?
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Post Post #189 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:54 pm

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I have. This should make the game remarkably easy.
u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 185, Shoshin wrote:
In post 182, Enter wrote:@shoshin, what do you think about these posts?
Stk isn't a player. I noticed a while ago but wanted to see how it develops. I imagine you've caught this as well.
I took it as SingleTonKing
Also not a player.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:58 pm

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I don't drink enough. I've done it like three times, but it's starting to get super enticing as life gets les and les so
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Post Post #231 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:09 pm

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In post 227, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm not especially certain on any one of my reads

but my current stance is that urap2 is scum, shoshin is town, and 1/2 lurkers is scum.
Talk about this?

Is it because he rode the slip for so long? Because I'm going to admit that I didn't catch it and the person who caught it caught on urap2 first.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:11 pm

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Hm, ok I'll look again.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #22) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:12 pm

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Do you have a hesitancy to be biased one way or another after arguing with them?
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Post Post #272 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:45 pm

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In post 252, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 250, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh your only scum game was the FA one
I pray for scum every game but the dice are not kind.

I had to replace into a slot I scum read to get a game
Don't know why this felt forced to me but it did. I feel better about urap2 being scum as well, honestly.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:20 am

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Something still pings me about opening interaction between shoshin and RC. It doesn't sit well.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:22 am

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In post 6, RadiantCowbells wrote:don't rvs vote. don't vote at all.
In post 29, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 25, Shoshin wrote:Hmm, not sure if RC's paranoia is fake or real. He knows at this point that he's paranoid of me every game but this seems a bit too soon for it, plus I feel like he'd probably wouldn't be coming after me like this so early.

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VOTE: Shoshin

I've seen enough.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #26) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:22 am

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I think I expect more control from RC here
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Post Post #464 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:26 am

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I agree that urap is probably town and I'll admit my thought process is a bit biased towards Paragon Game. My argument is that we flip shoshin and then if she flips scum, then RC is also scum. RC doesn't set up a game state in which both lurkers look very bad in the scenario that he is town.

If Shoshin flips town, then I think scum is both lurkers yesterday.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:27 am

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Yeah. I wanna say it's RC and Shoshin over anyone else. Shoshins early post are strangely antagonistic, IMO, and RC drops his scum read on her far too easily.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:29 am

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Also RC is weirdly pushing Saudade right now without any real actual push - he's just trying to get on Saudades nerves, it looks like, without actually pushing him as scum.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:31 am

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In post 11, Shoshin wrote:Hey U2, why are you trusting obvscum RC?
This especially - and the fact that she said it was a joke later - is pinging me. I doubt it's actually a joke in any sense of the word, it foreshadows the upcoming fight quite well, almost as if it is planned, and Shoshin can call out RC for being scummy because she knows he is scum.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:32 am

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Also RC seems to be very much trying to shirk responsibility for his reads, which isn't something I expect him to do - usually I expect him to attempt to solo carry the game
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Post Post #469 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:36 am

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In post 47, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 45, Shoshin wrote:If you think I'd follow you as town, you're delusional.
as town, as in you're not? thanks.
This feels forced
In post 49, RadiantCowbells wrote:
YOU CANNOT BUDDY ME AS SCUM IN A 5P SETUP WHERE I'M JUST GOING TO LEAD ON YOUR BUDDY.
This is over the top
In post 51, Shoshin wrote:If you're actually town, I'm replacing out of this RC.
This is over the top and an attempt at buddying
In post 58, Shoshin wrote:The fact RC's pushing my lynch means he's scum, period. He straight-up told me he felt uncomfortable pushing my lynch ever because he'd feel too bad about mislynching me, and that he'd replace out before pushing my lynch. This is scum RC.
This isn't even close to a real argument
In post 59, RadiantCowbells wrote:i dearly hope town wins and paragons lose
Feels weird the way he had to go out of his way to say "town wins" when the only purpose of this post is to say that he doesn't want the paragons to win
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Post Post #470 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:39 am

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None of Shoshins early posts read as town really at all. Or natural, even. Like every single one of them reads like this fight was planned, she's intentionally going over the top, and she has no intention of actually lynching RC. Both these players are supposedly (I don't know shoshin, so I'm not sure on her) strong enough to know you have to have an actual argument and neither of them work to build this.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #34) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:40 am

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In post 59, RadiantCowbells wrote:i dearly hope town wins and paragons lose
More natural responses include:
"i really hope you lose, EE"
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Post Post #472 (isolation #35) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:41 am

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In post 471, Enter wrote:
In post 59, RadiantCowbells wrote:i dearly hope town wins and paragons lose
More natural responses include:
"i really hope you lose, EE"
But he knows my optimal response is "I'm a paragon" and then I work through why it's beneficial for town to have the game already sorted.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #36) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:41 am

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So he tries to beat me at my argument by posting what he did.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #37) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:44 am

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In post 68, Shoshin wrote:UNVOTE:
Naked
In post 69, RadiantCowbells wrote:UNVOTE:

i'll unvote.

but i think that you're scum.
RC knows he keeps a read after a 1v1 so he's trying to fake holding it here. Why say it, though? Why call her scum? Why unvote at all? Remember that RC voted Shoshin before shoshin voted RC. It's not like RCs vote is a response to Shoshin at all. He really doesn't have a reason to invite here
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Post Post #475 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:45 am

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I almost guarantee it's RC/Shos right now
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Post Post #489 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:00 am

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In post 485, Shoshin wrote:I think paragons can't be trusted anymore by the way. They're trying to get me or RC lynched to make their life easier.
This is exactly what I was talking about in the paragon thread. See what I mean?
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Post Post #491 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:02 am

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Talk to me about RC, then.

Especially 59
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Post Post #493 (isolation #41) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:04 am

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In post 490, Shoshin wrote:You're calling RC's town tells scummy, Enter.
This especially looks like what I'm talking about
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Post Post #502 (isolation #42) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:09 am

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It would be foolish for MS to put himself in RCs hands in this game state as scum, and I don't follow that thought process.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #43) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:11 am

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In post 503, Shoshin wrote:What are you talking about, Enter?
I'm saying with the way things look right now there has been a solid amount of shade thrown on both lurker slots. Giving the players that put that shade on your slot the power to control your reads feels like a bad move
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Post Post #513 (isolation #44) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:14 am

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The way the game was heading, MS and Sausage looked scummy before they even posted.
Telling the players who are making you look scummy when you haven't posted a thing is rarely going to end in victory if you're scum.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #45) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:20 am

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Hm. I misread a couple of MS early posts as MS saying he trusted RCs reads on the player base when it was actually just urap
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Post Post #517 (isolation #46) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:22 am

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In post 346, Michael Scott wrote:Are you not a very competent scumhunter? :P
This especially builds towards what I'm talking about, actually.

If MS is scum he wants to be dismissive of RC as a scum hunter due to the fact that the game is in a place where everyone is looking very closely at MS and Saudade to be scum.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #47) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:25 am

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In post 516, Shoshin wrote:It feels like paragons want RC lynched so they don't have to sort him. I don't see Enter's analysis coming from a genuine attempt to sort the game.
This is more of what I was talking about up there, but I'll address some down here since y'all are probably curious


@Shoshin I have never at any point in time suggested we lynch RC


Also why would I not sort the game. This argument is bad and you should feel bad.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #48) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:27 am

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In post 520, Shoshin wrote:I also don't see why any of this means RC's scum?
I never said it did.
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In post 521, Enter wrote:you should feel bad.
hey let's keep it to the game
That part was a joke, sorry
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Post Post #525 (isolation #49) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:29 am

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I think you're scum. I'm working through associatives.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #50) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:41 am

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I'm also glad I don't have to sort me this game. I'm not playing my scum game or my town game.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #51) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:47 am

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URAP is this your town game or your scum game?
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Post Post #541 (isolation #52) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:50 am

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if you could lynch any two people right now who would it be?
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Post Post #554 (isolation #53) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:36 am

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In post 541, Enter wrote:if you could lynch any two people right now who would it be?
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Post Post #555 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:37 am

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@all
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Post Post #572 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:09 am

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You're missing the larger more important part of my posts, RC. I'm still trying to sort you. Do you disagree that Shoshin is likely scum and MS is likely town?
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Post Post #574 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:26 am

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Ok.

Let's work from there.
Shoshin can't be scum with Saudade because white flag isn't a thing, right? It's dumb for her to call him scum.

So then you think it's Shoshin/Urap?
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Post Post #575 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:26 am

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Oh nevermind I worded it weird and then confused myself. You disagree with me. My b.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:13 am

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In post 577, Shoshin wrote:I'm taking a small amount of joy in knowing that Enter thinks I'm this good as scum.
What can I say you have quite a reputation.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:13 am

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I mean it's just too easy for it to be both the lurkers. Right?
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Post Post #585 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:21 am

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UNVOTE: Shoshin

VOTE: Michael Scott

VOTE: Saudade

Since U R A PERSON TOO! cannot be scum with saudade that makes the game super easy
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Post Post #588 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:23 am

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In post 587, RadiantCowbells wrote:Didn't we establish how this was a terrible basis for reads
How is this a terrible basis for reads?
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Post Post #589 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:24 am

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Ok I'm bad at mafia talk to me like I'm a child. What is going on.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:26 am

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I might just be losing brain cells. That's quite possible.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #64) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:13 pm

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RC and Shoshin both say they're not scum
RC says white flag gambit cannot happen this game
u r a person 2 is pushing Saudade as the lynch
=> Michael Scott and Saudade are scum.

Saudade wrote:Are you playing bad on purpose?
Yes, I'm trying to be lynchbait. What's your read on me?
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Post Post #610 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:14 pm

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Ok but do you think I'm town or scum?
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Post Post #664 (isolation #66) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:21 pm

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In post 658, u r a person 2 wrote:see and this is another great advantage of having a town read on rc.

I don't have to figure out if him faking a stroke is town or scum indicative. I can just call it fucking nai and move on to sorting other slots
:lol:

I agree on Shoshin

You think MS is super scummy?

Can we flip shoshin, actually? I feel better about that flipping scum.
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Post Post #668 (isolation #67) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:22 pm

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In post 666, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fuck off enter you scumread me and I'm not scum why should I give a fuck what you think about Shoshin even if you're right you're still trsash
I'm not scumreading you
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Post Post #670 (isolation #68) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:23 pm

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In post 524, Shoshin wrote:Then I don't understand what you've been saying, Enter, because it feels like you're trying to argue that me & RC are scum and that MS/Saudade are town?
In post 525, Enter wrote:I think you're scum. I'm working through associatives.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #69) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:25 pm

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Your opening play was super awkward, your push on Saudade was really quite weak and not what I expect from what I've seen from your completed games, and you make the most sense to be scum with any one player here.
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Post Post #673 (isolation #70) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:27 pm

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When I started building a case on you and RC I posted in the paragon thread prior to you posting that you'd post what you posted as scum
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Post Post #674 (isolation #71) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:27 pm

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And then you posted it.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #72) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:30 pm

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In post 676, Shoshin wrote:What would I have posted if town? What was your alternative prediction?
You'd be more dismissive and you'd defend yourself more instead of defending RC when I came at your slot
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Post Post #678 (isolation #73) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:30 pm

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In post 675, Shoshin wrote:I'm not really pushing Saudade yet?
That's part of the problem
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Post Post #680 (isolation #74) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:31 pm

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In post 679, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 673, Enter wrote:When I started building a case on you and RC I posted in the paragon thread prior to you posting that you'd post what you posted as scum
I'm town though :o
yeah you didn't respond like i thought you would hence town
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Post Post #682 (isolation #75) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:32 pm

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ok.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #76) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:56 pm

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I do love how I do one thing and everyone is like "ALL PARAGONS"
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Post Post #697 (isolation #77) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:05 pm

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In post 695, u r a person 2 wrote:You know, Enter,
you people
really get on my nerves some times

;P
can't tell if i actually get on your nerves or if you're making a joke
In post 696, Aubrey wrote:Pause on my speed read.

For what it’s worth, I tend to come into games with the perception that if something sounds like a grand master plan that scum cooked up, I tend to believe it not the case. RC and Shoshin scum theatering it up kinda falls into that world a bit for me.

Back to reading.
That doesn't really seem all that far-fetched for me.

Dannflor and Eragon did it multiple times during marathon games

it's a pretty easy way to excuse a townread on a player you might have a hard time otherwise dealing with
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Post Post #705 (isolation #78) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:23 pm

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In post 700, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 697, Enter wrote:can't tell if i actually get on your nerves or if you're making a joke
joke

making fun of categorizing people by arbitrary distinctions you know nevermind
no i got it i'm just sensitive cuz people told me i was mean recently i apologize

also why would aubrey apologize for being wrong
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Post Post #708 (isolation #79) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:25 pm

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you must like me a lot then i also am the sandals with less straps
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Post Post #733 (isolation #80) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:56 pm

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yes.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #81) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:12 pm

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you're fine rc you're doing good
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Post Post #782 (isolation #82) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:21 pm

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In post 778, RadiantCowbells wrote:enter how does sober third party you feel about urap trying to get me to vote MS while i was drunk
I didn't find it particularly AI either way
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Post Post #786 (isolation #83) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:28 pm

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I can confirm that Shoshin caught Saudade in a game on her alt. I'm not sure if she wants me to out that alt but she told me most people have already figured it out so it should be too hard to find it?
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Post Post #799 (isolation #84) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:32 pm

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don't worry RC I've decided to buddy you for the time being
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Post Post #801 (isolation #85) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:33 pm

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In post 797, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 795, RadiantCowbells wrote:i realize this doesn't help the case that enter at at least one point made that i'm town with shoshin but hey i still have a wincon to play to
Don't understand this. ELI5?
he's saying i called him town and he likes being called town and he doesn't want to not be called town

and i'm saying i'm going to keep calling him town for the time being
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Post Post #804 (isolation #86) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:34 pm

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lol

"enter's bad"
"enter do these things for me"
"enter screw you"
"enter please"

lol

saudade are you town
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Post Post #805 (isolation #87) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:35 pm

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just think of the games you've played as scum and gotten caught, i'm sure you'll get there eventually
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Post Post #810 (isolation #88) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:36 pm

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what is self centered

i'm just thinking it's funny you're calling me bad while you ask for things from me

and no i'm not going to alt someone else's alt, even if you started saying nice things about me for some weird reason
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Post Post #811 (isolation #89) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:37 pm

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In post 809, Saudade wrote:
In post 805, Enter wrote:just think of the games you've played as scum and gotten caught, i'm sure you'll get there eventually
how about you provide as much information as you can because the more I know the better I can solve the game and play for your win con
how about I'd really like to but I refuse to out someone else's alt cuz that's bad manners.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #90) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:38 pm

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that's really disappointing
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Post Post #817 (isolation #91) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:39 pm

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can you unvote and wait for shoshin to get back

i wanna work on my reads some more
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Post Post #819 (isolation #92) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:40 pm

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if rc lynches you and you flip town that's not a shoshin flip and that doesn't help me
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Post Post #822 (isolation #93) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:41 pm

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there's two scum, so as long as they're both online at the same time

but i'm not scared of people quickhammering shoshin i dont think that will happen
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Post Post #824 (isolation #94) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:41 pm

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well i'm a bit of a spineless bitch, tbh, so if you'd unvote i'd feel a lot better
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Post Post #826 (isolation #95) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:42 pm

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because i will let other people walk all over me with their confidence and their feelings and shit
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Post Post #827 (isolation #96) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:42 pm

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what is tramadol
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Post Post #830 (isolation #97) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:43 pm

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pls i rly don't want rc to lynch u rn i don't think you're scum
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Post Post #833 (isolation #98) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:44 pm

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In post 828, Michael Scott wrote:Talk to me about the paranoia part?
If scum quickhammers they lose lol, they shouldn't.
why do scum lose for quickhammering?
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Post Post #836 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:44 pm

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if he does he kill town and town lose and my game gets harder
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Post Post #838 (isolation #100) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:45 pm

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there are only two possible partners for saudade: rc and you

rc is prolly town

not sure if you're town

i think it's shoshin and you, honestly, but at this point it could be shoshin and anyone except saude/rc
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Post Post #839 (isolation #101) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:46 pm

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In post 837, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 833, Enter wrote:
In post 828, Michael Scott wrote:Talk to me about the paranoia part?
If scum quickhammers they lose lol, they shouldn't.
why do scum lose for quickhammering?
Obvious guess for Paragons. If Paragons guess correctly scum loses
wait..

realy?

i've been playing this wrong
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Post Post #842 (isolation #102) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:47 pm

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MS looks town

for pointing that out, i think

unless it's a slip

i think shoshin/urap?

i'm sorry i flip flop so much
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Post Post #843 (isolation #103) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:47 pm

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In post 840, Saudade wrote:I never scumhunt for teams and im not going to start now
i have to scumhunt for teams
In post 841, Michael Scott wrote:And why is URAP not a potential partner?

Why can't it be Shoshin+RC?
it could be but i like rc's posting individually esp his drunk posting

urap is a potential partner just not for saude
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Post Post #848 (isolation #104) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:49 pm

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i'm starting to think maybe aubrey is scum?

he's really convinced rc is town a lot more than me and he's buddying him really hard

what if scum is in the paragons
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Post Post #850 (isolation #105) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:52 pm

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ok so if scum are lynched day 1 they lose

therefore it is playing against wincon for scum to vote themselves

therefore the player voted and the only player not voting for the lynched player are scum

therefore if we lynch scum day one paragons and town both win

right?
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Post Post #858 (isolation #106) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:01 pm

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Michael scott, do you think Shoshin is scum?
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Post Post #859 (isolation #107) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:02 pm

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also do you think rc is town
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Post Post #861 (isolation #108) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:05 pm

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you should push this game as solved, then
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Post Post #862 (isolation #109) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:06 pm

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i think you just poe'd yourself into scum, there
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Post Post #865 (isolation #110) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:07 pm

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ok so from MS perspective MS is town, saude cannot be partners w/ shoshin due to latest push, MS just said urap cannot be scum w/ shoshin or RC

so either he thinks it's shoshin/rc, or he must be scum by poe
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Post Post #869 (isolation #111) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:28 pm

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In post 868, Saudade wrote:like you'll never be on solid ground with any kind of competent scum team
not in a game where scum are allowed to bus each other, no
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Post Post #870 (isolation #112) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:30 pm

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In post 341, Michael Scott wrote:From my perspective, at least one of the active posters - {RC, URAP2, Shoshin} has to be scum. I've played with URAP2 as town once in the past, and I don't recall any games with the other two outside of alts.

Considering for a moment that Saudade is town, this would imply two scum within {RC, URAP, Shoshin} - so I reasoned that if I can eliminate SvS pairs within the tuple, I can safely conclude that Saudade is scum, regardless of who the other scum within the tuple is.

There are only three possible SvS pairs: URAP+RC, URAP+Shoshin, RC+Shoshin. Of these, from my knowledge of the slots and also the current gamestate, it seems like I can go about eliminating the first two pairs first - reasoning being that if URAP was scum with one of them, the other would be competent enough to recognize URAP as scum. Thus, if both slots townread URAP, it's likely that URAP isn't scum. I want to follow this up with my own read of URAP - his play does remind me of SC2 where he was town, but I have to read up scumgames of his. I'm yet to scrutinize his play within this game alone. This is why I asked about your confidence in the townread.

Eliminating the pairs with URAP in them leaves RC+Shoshin as the remaining possible pair if Saudade is town, and is my primary interest in evaluating this game. ATM from my skim of the game so far I'm leaning against it - the primary indicator of it is right in the start, where Shoshin called RC obvscum and RC seems to have "misinterpreted" it. Theater also feels unnecessary in the case they're both scum as far as I can judge - but I'll re-read and refine my thoughts there.

If I can eliminate this pairing as well, I'll be confident enough from PoE that Saudade is scum.

Pedit: Shoshin, I'll check it out. I skimmed the game.
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Post Post #871 (isolation #113) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

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especially
URAP+RC, URAP+Shoshin, RC+Shoshin. Of these, from my knowledge of the slots and also the current gamestate, it seems like I can go about eliminating the first two pairs first - reasoning being that if URAP was scum with one of them, the other would be competent enough to recognize URAP as scum. Thus, if both slots townread URAP, it's likely that URAP isn't scum.
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Post Post #873 (isolation #114) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

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In post 344, Michael Scott wrote:I haven't excluded any pair 100%

I'm reliant on you recognizing URAP scum if they're a scumpair - I've yet to form a read on URAP as well, which I'll do in due time.
p sure rc thinks shoshin is town and isn't scumreading urap atm

tho he did cast some shade his way earlier
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Post Post #874 (isolation #115) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 pm

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i didn't say you JUST SAID THAT

i said you just poe'd yourself into scum

i really don't see how your thought process changes
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Post Post #875 (isolation #116) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

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like changing reads over time is a thing, but you called urap conftown by thought process - rc and shoshin should be enough to recognize him as scum
to go back on this is to change your thought process which isn't something i rally see coming from town
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Post Post #877 (isolation #117) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:35 pm

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In post 876, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 865, Enter wrote:cannot be partners w/ shoshin due to latest push, MS
just
said urap cannot be scum w/ shoshin or RC
my bad

bad diction sorry

you're right i'm scum, push my lynch
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Post Post #879 (isolation #118) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:37 pm

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tell me how rc and shoshin both townreading urap right now makes him still a possibility for scum wih the thought process you posted
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Post Post #880 (isolation #119) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:38 pm

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like i wanna win

so if i'm wrong don't get defensive

don't yell at me that i'm dumb

that doesn't get anyone anywhere

you know my alignment

just tell me why i'm wrong in your calmest most human voice possible
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Post Post #883 (isolation #120) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:43 pm

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In post 881, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 875, Enter wrote:rc and shoshin should be enough to recognize him as scum
Still in the process.
you're saying you think you need more time on those slots for them to conftown him?
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Post Post #884 (isolation #121) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:46 pm

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Ok so but here's the problem from my perspective:

If I look at it from your angle:

Saude/Shoshin cannot be scum
Michael Scott/Shoshin cannot be scum

so if Shoshin is scum, it is either RC or u r a person 2.

Your game is almost solved. You don't even need it all the way solved. You can just lynch shoshin.

But it looks like neither shoshin nor RC are really scumreading u r a person 2, which would make him conf town.

Which means you should definitely either be pushing the gamesolve of RC/Shoshin

Unless you think that's unlikely because you think RC is likely town

Which would mean that Shoshin is town

Which means that since u r a person 2 is conf town
and RC/saudade cannot be scum together

There are no other opportunities for anyone to be scum

therefore you are scum

by your own PoE
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Post Post #885 (isolation #122) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:47 pm

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I understand I went about that in a somewhat weird and roundabout way

if someone wants to tell me why i'm really dumb and I've got stretch marks all over my case, feel free to let me know

but i'm having a hard time seeing this game solve through MS' eyes in a way that connects with the way he is playing the game right now
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Post Post #886 (isolation #123) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:51 pm

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i'm also starting to feel like it's possible that i just gave scum their get out of jail free push

oh my gosh i can say whatever i want now and not get lynched for it it's glorious
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Post Post #892 (isolation #124) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:57 pm

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In post 888, Saudade wrote:just relax Enter
very very not good at that
if you figure out how to do that you just let me know i guarantee my life will turn right the fuck around and i'll be all the things i used to be instead of the fire in a dumpster can under a bridge
In post 890, Saudade wrote:convince yourself that Shoshin is mafia and this game is won
i had myself convinced she was mafia until i stopped and thought about ms more
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Post Post #896 (isolation #125) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:00 pm

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i hate myself i'm so easy to manipulate
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Post Post #900 (isolation #126) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:02 pm

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i'm gonna go do something else for a while cuz if i try to think anymore i'm going to confbias myself on this or i'm going to throw it all out the window and i'm not sure it's all bad
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Post Post #909 (isolation #127) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:32 pm

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I would prefer to flip scum, RC, TBH.
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Post Post #910 (isolation #128) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:32 pm

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Although you're right that it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if you lynched town.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #129) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:33 pm

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I'm also not trying to rush the game.

At all. I don't know why you think I am.

I told saude to unvote.
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Post Post #913 (isolation #130) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:34 pm

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In post 911, RadiantCowbells wrote:You cannot Lynch scum without my support

So trying to railroad other people into voting other people can only be a pro scum action
I'm not trying to do this at all.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #131) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:35 pm

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I agree I want Saude to unvote.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #132) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:35 pm

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I pleaded with him to unvote.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #133) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:38 pm

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In post 817, Enter wrote:can you unvote and wait for shoshin to get back

i wanna work on my reads some more
In post 819, Enter wrote:if rc lynches you and you flip town that's not a shoshin flip and that doesn't help me
In post 822, Enter wrote:there's two scum, so as long as they're both online at the same time

but i'm not scared of people quickhammering shoshin i dont think that will happen
In post 824, Enter wrote:well i'm a bit of a spineless bitch, tbh, so if you'd unvote i'd feel a lot better
In post 830, Enter wrote:pls i rly don't want rc to lynch u rn i don't think you're scum
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Post Post #946 (isolation #134) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:15 pm

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I played mafia with keyser soze in a newbie game like three years ago
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Post Post #986 (isolation #135) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:15 am

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I think on that game part of your case was his push on his scum buddy was awkward - but when you made the case you town read the scum buddy - that might be important to note. I'm not sure what you used to distinguish from his town game because I have not seen Saudades town game, but I would argue that none of the parts of your case on him there are relevant here.
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Post Post #987 (isolation #136) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:16 am

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It's not objective, it's definitely possible that I'm wrong, but from what I can tell in your reasoning in your case on him in that game, it is not applicable to this game.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #137) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:18 am

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In post 988, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 984, Shoshin wrote:What's your read on Sau, U2?

probably scum

none of this has changed significantly, it's just been adjusted with associations
Right? All her interactions with RC are super fake, too.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #138) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:20 am

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I could believe Shoshin/Michael Scott. I've been doubting he is town significantly more recently, neither of them will make a real push on each other and Shoshin seems to think she's good enough at reading Saudade to rely on her read there but then won't make a solid push on it.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #139) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:51 am

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Yeah. I think game solve is Michael Scott/Shoshin. I don't think it's a coincidence that my two most scummy reads individually don't have a solid push on each other. I also have more but I don't have time for it right now.
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #140) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:01 am

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In post 1007, Michael Scott wrote:Also Enter, please outline my solid push on RC/URAP/Saudade. ;)
That's the problem. You don't have a solid push on anyone.
In post 1008, Aubrey wrote:
In post 1005, Saudade wrote:rc may very well be scum here too
I actually have no solid townreads at all surprisingly
Lmao. I just told paragons that the one thing I liked about you was that it didn’t seem like you were keeping options open and had a locked mentality. Then you say this. :lol:
This is a town tell for him, I think. He tries to only talk about one player all game as scum - usually sheeping or tunneling. The fact that he's acknowledging and working with other players makes me think he's probably town. Correct me if I'm wrong I've only really skimmed / heard things about Saudades play
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #141) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:06 am

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I can write up my solve, later, Michael Scott. Your engagement is so detached you remind me of my dad
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #142) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:21 am

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The game Shoshin and I are talking about Saudade replaced out of as scum
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #143) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:21 am

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Shoshin is lying.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #144) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:21 am

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There's no way she forgot about the game we were just talking about
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #145) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:22 am

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In post 1028, Enter wrote:The game Shoshin and I are talking about Saudade replaced out of as scum
In post 1029, Enter wrote:Shoshin is lying.
In post 1030, u r a person 2 wrote:VOTE: michaelscott

I really do prefer this tho
Change your vote
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #146) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:23 am

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That's the other thing I'm talking about, Shoshin, that was part of your argument in the game we were talking about and he's not talking up his play here
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #147) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:24 am

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In post 1038, Shoshin wrote:Yeah, he replaced out late in the game after he got caught, Enter. I'm not saying he doesn't replace out as scum. I'm talking about his meta in general. And in that game, he was much more tryhard than I've ever seen him as town, and this game he's even more tryhard than that.
Gimme a town game then.

I'm not seeing him try hard here
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #148) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:34 am

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RC townslipped earlier.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #149) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:35 am

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In post 666, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fuck off enter you scumread me and I'm not scum why should I give a fuck what you think about Shoshin even if you're right you're still trsash
In what world does scum RC admit that I might be right?
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #150) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:39 am

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I was tempted to agree with you but I'm bursting RC right now so we're pretending it's a town slip
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #151) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:39 am

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Buddying not bursting
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #152) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:42 am

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I take it back my solve is wrong.

I thought urap voted Saude last night but it was MS
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #153) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:43 am

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It was 8-Ball, Saudade
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #154) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:52 am

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Shoshin why did you ask me about your case on Saudade in the other game

I cannot post thanks to peedits
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #155) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:54 am

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In post 1094, Shoshin wrote:Who is Sau's partner, RC?
This is why Sau is probably town.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #156) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:59 am

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If you read RC as town the only viable team is Shoshin/Michael Scott
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Post Post #1129 (isolation #157) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:00 am

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So either people aren't reading RC as town or they're scum
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #158) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:02 am

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Urap post a solve for me that includes RC as town
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #159) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:03 am

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In post 1133, Saudade wrote:i DoNt WaNt To WiN tHe GaMe I jUsT WaNt To FuCk WiTh My IdOl RaDiAnTCoWbElL
PLS NOTICE ME SENPAI
This cuts deep
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #160) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:04 am

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In post 1145, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1142, Enter wrote:Urap post a solve for me that includes RC as town
ms + saud

is really where im at
But you just said its RC+ saude and you are trying to imply you are stronger read on MS
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #161) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:06 am

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I'm gonna be gone for half an hour I'm gonna be sad if someone hammers in that time
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #162) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:37 am

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In post 1172, Aubrey wrote:Does scum shoshin make up a lie regarding meta that can easy be found false and used against her? I think not. Does scum shonshin use someone’s existing meta to her advantage, yes.

There is no point in really checking.
I think you're framing this poorly
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #163) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:21 am

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Saudade why do you want to win?
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #164) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:25 am

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do you like playing this game?
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #165) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:28 am

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Do you enjoy playing as town?
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #166) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:30 am

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:3

Why?
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #167) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:33 am

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In post 1055, Shoshin wrote:I played with Saudade on an alt called Suka. I called him out immediately upon replacing into the game. I already knew his meta from another context so I knew that he tended to post a lot more as scum than he did as vanilla town, and that he tended to replace out of games when vanilla town much more than he would as town PR or as scum (these are meta facts that you can check). The reasons I suspected him in that game are entirely present in this game, and I'm happy to explain the comparisons later when I have time.

Saudade for sure remembers this because my name -- Suka -- was of interest to him. I'm not making anything up. You can check the game history. I tunneled Saudade the whole game until he was eventually lynched three days later. Enter knows this is true because he replaced Saudade's slot on the last day phase of the game when Saudade was already going down.

The biggest difference between town Saudade and scum Saudade is that scum Saudade makes a lot more posts and attempts to drop town tells into the game. He seems to enjoy manipulating players more than he enjoys scumhunting. When he says stuff like, "I just copy paste my posts as either alignment," that's a scum tell for Saudade. It's the sort of fake town tell stuff that I'm talking about. In the other game I was in with him, that's the stuff I was mostly referring to as scum tells. Check this if you don't trust me.
Micro 832 refutes this as well as the other arguments Shoshin was making against Saudade
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #168) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am

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He's VT but posts about how he's a god at the game

his posting frequency is in sync with what it has been this game

and none of the arguments Shoshin made in 8-ball really apply to Saudade here, IMO
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #169) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 am

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In post 1213, Saudade wrote:
In post 1211, Enter wrote:
In post 1055, Shoshin wrote:I played with Saudade on an alt called Suka. I called him out immediately upon replacing into the game. I already knew his meta from another context so I knew that he tended to post a lot more as scum than he did as vanilla town, and that he tended to replace out of games when vanilla town much more than he would as town PR or as scum (these are meta facts that you can check). The reasons I suspected him in that game are entirely present in this game, and I'm happy to explain the comparisons later when I have time.

Saudade for sure remembers this because my name -- Suka -- was of interest to him. I'm not making anything up. You can check the game history. I tunneled Saudade the whole game until he was eventually lynched three days later. Enter knows this is true because he replaced Saudade's slot on the last day phase of the game when Saudade was already going down.

The biggest difference between town Saudade and scum Saudade is that scum Saudade makes a lot more posts and attempts to drop town tells into the game. He seems to enjoy manipulating players more than he enjoys scumhunting. When he says stuff like, "I just copy paste my posts as either alignment," that's a scum tell for Saudade. It's the sort of fake town tell stuff that I'm talking about. In the other game I was in with him, that's the stuff I was mostly referring to as scum tells. Check this if you don't trust me.
Micro 832 refutes this as well as the other arguments Shoshin was making against Saudade
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In post 1214, Aubrey wrote:I’m fine if Saude gets the chop from a paragon perspective.....can’t speak for my mates though.
i'm not
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #170) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:37 am

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quotes from micro 832 where saudade was vt lynched day 1
it's okay my friend you've been caught by the very best, there's no shame in it
this is too easy
catching scum in this game silly
if I was a bad scum player(I'm not) , this is exactly the kind of post I'd make to appear like im trying to game solve while literally doing nothing and just waiting on to see how the votes go
literally every post almost, actually
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #171) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:37 am

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I could go on and on actually i just got bored of copy pasting this stuff
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #172) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:37 am

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also saudade says he enjoys the game and tries as town
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #173) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:42 am

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In post 1222, RadiantCowbells wrote:Saudade is far townier in that game than he is here
Shoshin's argument is a pile of garbage that changed from what it was originally and cannot hold water.

Who is Saudade's partner?
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Post Post #1235 (isolation #174) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:46 am

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Im not encouraging it
i also want this game to go a few more days

i'm just saying i'm pretty sure saudade is almost conf town and i want thoughts and discussion

MS is his only way out

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Post Post #1237 (isolation #175) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 am

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RC i swear stop accusing me of pushing lynch i'm trying to get my reads in a better spot
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #176) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 am

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like i'm doubting my shoshin scum read right now

whch is why i want other people to talk about it
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #177) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 am

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In post 1238, RadiantCowbells wrote:Saudade almost conf town >_>
urap isn't his partner
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #178) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:48 am

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talk to me then

you're the one not pushing MS rn

pedit ok i'm sorry

maybe too many cooks in the kitchen.


i'm rally just trying to explore ms/shoshin

i'm trying to find counter-arguments to this theory
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #179) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:49 am

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In post 1242, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1240, Enter wrote:
In post 1238, RadiantCowbells wrote:Saudade almost conf town >_>
urap isn't his partner
Why not
if you asked urap to lynch saudade right now he would

also i like MS' argument on why urap is town

also i like urap's thought process and i can follow it, seems townie

the only thing that makes me nervous is how often he drops a vote but i htink that's cuz he's getting fatigued
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #180) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:52 am

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ms feels really non-committal

and shoshin feels disengaged

iguess it's possible i'm completely wrong and it's urap/saudade
that thought goes through my mind a lot
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #181) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:54 am

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i honestly like saudade's iso

maybe i'm dumb

also urap seems legitimately interested in solving the game
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #182) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:54 am

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In post 1246, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1243, Enter wrote:i'm rally just trying to explore ms/shoshin

i'm trying to find counter-arguments to this theory
Besides the fact that I don't play scum like this, me unvoting Sau when MS could have hammered should make it pretty clear your theory is wrong.
Why?
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #183) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:55 am

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In post 1246, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1243, Enter wrote:i'm rally just trying to explore ms/shoshin

i'm trying to find counter-arguments to this theory
Besides the fact that I don't play scum like this, me unvoting Sau when MS could have hammered should make it pretty clear your theory is wrong.
MS said earlier that if paragons guess who scum are scum lose
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #184) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:55 am

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=> no quickhammer will happen
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #185) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:57 am

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Also, Michael Scott has no posts in the game thread past 1099, which is when Saudade was at L-1.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #186) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:58 am

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I push Shoshin as scum w/ possible associative of RC, and Shoshin defends RC, not herself

I push Shoshin as scum w/ possible associative of Michael Scott, and the fact that he defends himself instead of pushing shoshin also feels off.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #187) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:59 am

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In post 1253, Shoshin wrote:If I'm scum with MS, I keep my vote on Sau until MS hammers him, not dismantle the wagon while waiting on RC to convince me on a different wagon.
you didn't dismantle the wagon, urap did.
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #188) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:59 am

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In post 1255, Shoshin wrote:If I were scum in this setup, I'd hammer a town if given the opportunity. Why would I let that slip away?
because right now i'm convinced you two are scum and if i guess you correctly you lose

and if you quickhammer him i guarantee i wont have a hard time convnincng my buddies i'm right on you two when saudade flips town
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #189) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:01 am

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Also want to point out that you're not playing like you did in 8-ball.

in 8-ball you pushed saudade and then considered other players as a possibility, pushing eslewhere to expand your reads

your case was small and basic and you spent the rest of the game trying to convince

here you wrote quite a bit of worsdd for a very small case and you spend more time trying to prove the validity of your case than you do actually pushing saudade
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #190) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:02 am

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also i'm claiming town

anyone not town reading me after the amount of effort i've put in this game is scum
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #191) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:08 am

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In post 1260, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1256, Enter wrote:
In post 1253, Shoshin wrote:If I'm scum with MS, I keep my vote on Sau until MS hammers him, not dismantle the wagon while waiting on RC to convince me on a different wagon.
you didn't dismantle the wagon, urap did.
Are you reading the same game as me?

I unvoted Sau. U2 followed after me while saying he'd hammer Sau if that were a thing again.

If I'm scum with MS, all we have to do is vote Sau with U2. This game would be over.
sorry i missed the part where you unvoted first

my b

however u2 did not say he'd hammer saudade if saudade ever got to l-1 again

you might be thinking of this post:
In post 1157, Saudade wrote:if Shoshin by chance gets to 2 votes somehow im insta hammering that shit

not sure if you'er trying to skew intentionally or not
In post 1261, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fwiw I think Shoshin urap is more likely than Shoshin MS right now
that's possible
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #192) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:09 am

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In post 1264, Shoshin wrote:I don't think Enter's description of my play as Suka is accurate at all.
i might have used bad words

but your play is very different here than it was as suka

you were a lot more confident when you were town
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Post Post #1268 (isolation #193) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:12 am

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ugh. ok don't know how i missed that

still game would be over sure but it would be over with you losing
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #194) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:14 am

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In post 1270, Shoshin wrote:I could care less if Enter loses.
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #195) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:16 am

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I could believe Shoshin/URAP, I think.

I like Shoshin/MS more, though...

I will look at it more closely in a few hours.
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #196) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:35 am

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In post 1274, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1252, Enter wrote:Also, Michael Scott has no posts in the game thread past 1099, which is when Saudade was at L-1.
well, he went to bed, right?

this is almost certainly nai
that's my point

he wasn't there
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #197) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:22 pm

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RC when you read your opening interactions with shoshin does she read as town to you?
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #198) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:17 pm

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In post 1278, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1276, Enter wrote:
In post 1274, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1252, Enter wrote:Also, Michael Scott has no posts in the game thread past 1099, which is when Saudade was at L-1.
well, he went to bed, right?

this is almost certainly nai
that's my point

he wasn't there
im missing the point. eli5 plz
Shoshin was saying she cannot be scum with MS because MS would have hammered Saudade when Sausage was L-1
In post 1317, u r a person 2 wrote:you know, if rc is scum i think im wrong on the partner. it's not ambiguous-town-read MS. too surface level.

it's the "person in my poe I don't want to lynch but will soft white-flag gambit by proxy" Saud
Correct, but pretend RC is town and it becomes obvious who the pair is
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #199) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:21 pm

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In post 1325, RadiantCowbells wrote:Not lynching MS

Maybe Saudade
I know what you see in MS that makes you think he's not scum, but 1. Who else is Saudades buddy and 2. Who else could be Shoshins Buddy? As town right now you have the highest chance of lynching scum with MS if you believe there is exactly one scum between Saudade and Shoshin. Unless you still think probably URAP for shoshin, which I think I can understand
In post 1339, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1338, Enter wrote:Correct, but pretend RC is town and it becomes obvious who the pair is
so you're saying that I should be voting Michael Scott again, ya?
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