Micro 857: Burden of Proficiency Mafia

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Micro #857
Playerlist:
Prods Indicated with *
Bold = Confirmed

u r a person 2 (Player)
RadiantCowbells (Player)
Michael Scott (Volxen + Auro) (Player)
Shoshin (Player)
Saudade (Player)

Enter (Paragon)
singletonking (Paragon)
Aubrey (Paragon)

Spoiler: The Replacements

Spoiler: The Living

u r a person 2 (Player)
RadiantCowbells (Player)
Michael Scott (Volxen + Auro) (Player)
Shoshin (Player)
Saudade (Player)

Spoiler: The Dead

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Spoiler: We Dare Not Speak Their Names (The Modkilled)

None. Ever. Or else.

Spoiler: Important Links

Mod Topic - Scum Topic - Paragon Topic
Rules - Current Vote Count
Day 1 Events-

Current Vote Count

Important Notes

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Setup Specific Information

Sample Role PM's

Welcome to Burden of Proficiency Mafia!

You are a VT, aligned with

The Town!

Win Condition: You will win the game should you manage to lynch a mafia player D1.

Powers: You have your Vote, which you may use to find your enemies during the day.

Welcome to Burden of Proficiency Mafia!

You are a Mafia Goon, aligned with

The Mafia!

Win Condition: You will win the game should you manage to lynch a town player on D1 and hide from the Paragons.

Powers: You have your Vote, which you may use to find your enemies during the day. You may communicate with your partner, PARTNER, here.

Welcome to Burden of Proficiency Mafia!

You are a Paragon, aligned with

The Paragons!

Win Condition: You will win the game should you manage to guess the scum team in it's entirety during the Guess phase, regardless of who is lynched D1.

Powers: You may communicate with your partners in the PARAGON THREAD: here. At the end of the Guess phase, the paragons may collectively guess one pair of players. If both of those players are mafia, the Paragons win!

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The Rules: Stolen and Modified from Cabd

(You'll want to read these)

1. I expect a certain level of civility. This is a game about arguing, so tempers run high. If I feel you are being excessive in your aggression, I will ask you to temper your behavior. If you do not, I may take corrective actions that may include force replacement. Severe issues will be reported to the list mod(s).

2. If I say it violates these rules, it does. You can take it up with me postgame if you wish. You may PM me if you believe me to be mistaken, but my word is law.

3. Play towards your win condition. Gambits are fine, directly harming your own team is not.

4. Once a lynch is reached, you may continue discussion until I lock the thread. No votes or unvotes will count after a lynch has been achieved.

5. A lynch is achieved by a majority of living players voting for one player. Half is not a majority. A no lynch is achieved by deadline, or by half of the living players voting for No Lynch.

6. Do not quote or pretend to quote any information you get from me via PM. This includes posting your role card verbatim. Paraphrasing is fine, as are role claims naturally. Do not directly quote any information from QTs you may be provided as part of this game.

7. Do not talk about this game anywhere else, or with anyone else, except as allowed by your Role PM or me.

8. The first day phase will last 3 weeks (21 days). Subsequent day phases will last 2 weeks (14 days). A countdown will be present in my vote count posts. All night phases will last 48 hours. Any deadline extensions will be at my discretion, and announced in thread.

9. Do not discuss ongoing games in this thread. This includes games on sites other than mafiascum.

10. You must post once every 48 hours. Failure to do so will earn you a prod. Respond to your prod within 24 hours, or face replacement. Three prods is also a force replacement.

11. Claiming scum with another player is an instant modkill. Don't do it.

12. I do not require unvotes. Your vote will be counted so long as you bold it or use the vote tag. Shorthand names are fine so long as it’s clear who the vote is for. If I do not understand who the vote is intended for, I will count it as an
unvote.

13. If you have a question, please PM me. If a question is something that should be answered publicly, I will make a post addressing it without naming who asked it. Otherwise, I will PM you with the answer or a note saying I cannot answer.

14. If my vote count is wrong, you can PM me or post in the thread (use the bold tag and "@Mod" or "@Jingle") about it.

15. I may or may not fix tags or edit posts where you might make a formatting mistake, even if you ask me to. Do not expect me to fix editing mistakes.

16. I reserve the right to add to these rules or modify them, but only when I post notifying all players in the game of the change.

17. Loophole abuse is all fun and games until I modkill you. Don’t try it.

18. Blue (This color at #0040FF) is my color. You are welcome to use any other color of the rainbow.

19. Encryption, text hiding, and the like are silly. Don’t do it. Any form of hidden text or attempts to circumvent this rule are forbidden.

20. Extensions will be granted at 48 hours per replacement at the replacements request. All deadlines will pause while a replacement is being found, should that become necessary.

21. Do not use temporary information to convey messages. This includes your signature and your avatar, but is not limited to these things. Your signature and avatar are not in-game areas.

22. While putting your vote or unvote on its own line is helpful, it is not necessary and any attempts to game voting formatting will be dealt with as an attempt to cheat. If I think it was a vote, it was a vote. If I am unsure if a vote is real or not, it will be an unvote. (For example VOTE: Jingle will be considered an unvote.)

23. A modkill will always punish the faction modkilled more as far as timing goes. Modkills may or may not end the day. Modkilled players will be changed to a neutral survivor, meaning they lose the game instantly. DO NOT MAKE ME MODKILL ANYONE, OR I WILL BE VERY ANGRY.

24. In the event of site downtime lasting more than 3 hours; time will be added to the deadline to compensate at a 1 to 1 ratio.

25. Keep hydra and alt slips to minimum. Repeated hydra and alt slips will be punished by starting rumors about the player responsible. Excessive hydra slipping may be subject to further punishment. Players must quote any hydra or alt slips using the account that is actually signed up for this game ASAP.

26. Do not replace out for strategic purposes. I fully understand that things happen, and sometimes replacements are necessary. "I think my replacement will do a better job." is not a valid reason for replacement.

27. Do not attempt to 'game the system'. If something does not fall under these rules, but is still against the spirit of the game, don't do it. I don't want to have to amend my ruleset, but I will.

28. Most importantly, this is a game. Treat it like one. Try to have fun, and don't attempt to prevent others from doing the same.

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Vote Count 0

u r a person 2 (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Shoshin (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter:
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

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The Paragon Role PM, (and the sample PM in the OP) was incorrect. This has been fixed. Paragons, you don't have to hide from yourselves or lynch town in order to win.

(Thank you, anonymous friend for pointing out that I just copied the scum wincon into the Paragon PM.)

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Vote Count 1

Shoshin (1): RadiantCowbells
u r a person 2 (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

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Vote Count 2

Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 3

Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 4

Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 5

Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 6

Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 7

Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Michael Scott (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: u r a person 2, Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 8

Michael Scott (1): u r a person 2,
Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 9

Michael Scott (1): u r a person 2,
Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):
Saudade (0):

Not Voting: Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 10

Saudade (1): u r a person 2,
Michael Scott (0):
Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):

Not Voting: Michael Scott, Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Vote Count 11

Michael Scott (1): u r a person 2,
Saudade (0):
Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):

Not Voting: Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott,

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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the soul survivor?

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Raises hand*

shh. you're not supposed to tell them we're the scum team.

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Vote Count 12

Michael Scott (1): u r a person 2,
Saudade (0):
Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):

Not Voting: Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott,

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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eh i wouldnt agree to it tbh

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I've heard that vinegar is a semi acceptable alternative to windex in most situations.

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Vote Count 13

Michael Scott (1): u r a person 2,
Saudade (0):
Shoshin (0):
RadiantCowbells (0):
u r a person 2 (0):

Not Voting: Shoshin, Saudade, RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott,

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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Has jingle even been around

I have not. One moment.

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Vote Count 14

Saudade (2): u r a person 2, Michael Scott, RadiantCowbells,
RadiantCowbells (1): Saudade,
Michael Scott (0):
Shoshin (0):
u r a person 2 (0):

Not Voting: Shoshin, u r a person 2,

Weightless votes:

Aubrey:
Enter: RadiantCowbells, Michael Scott, Saudade,
Singletonking:

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch!

Deadline is: (expired on 2019-03-20 16:00:00).

Jingle Note: I will not be locking this thread. You may continue to discuss here during the guess phase, although town has no reason to do so.

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In rechecking votes, I found U r a persons.

Saudade has been lynched! He was town, and as such has lost the game!

Paragons, you have until (expired on 2019-03-20 12:00:00) to guess the scum team!

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Nah, literally just that I missed it in my first pass.

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A Reminder: All players, including Saudade may continue to post, but there is no incentive for town players to do so. A finalized guess may be bolded here, bolded in the Paragon thread, or sent to me via PM. Once I have received this guess the game will be over.

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I'm amazed at how scummy every single slot managed to be

Iunno, I think Enter was pretty town.

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So, I'm considering a setup tweak to make the game harder for the paragons but easier for the town. Thoughts?

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Not for this running, obv, but in the future.

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A change to the mafia win condition. If mafia wins regardless of lynch should the paragons guess wrong, they still can't make themselves obvious, so there's no quickhammers, but they CAN bus, which should lead to a town win a higher percentage of the time.

Town and Paragon would remain unchanged.

My other idea to decrease paragon win % would be to not flip the lynched player until after the guess, but that just means Paragons have no reason to help in the first portion, which was a major element of the setup.

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For reference, the problem as I see it is a win percentage of 40:50:50, where paragons should have the most difficult job, at least in my view of the setup.

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viewtopic.php?f=90&t=79111

Just a reminder to unlock the spec thread when the guess is made.

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This would make town lives a lot easier possibly too easy

Yeah, I was worried about that.

Perhaps a tiered wincon, ala Branching? You win better if you win alone, but snowing the paragons is still preferable to lynching town?

Or, perhaps, the mafia wincon could be to be alive and not be guessed, meaning a scum lynch makes it much harder to win as the remaining scum?

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I wouldn't mind seeing a setup like that, but imo it would be a different setup.

Probably 4+xv2 and just paragon wincon vs. snow paragons.

This was designed to be an extra challenge for a couple of >rand townies who have less impact than normal on the game. (In fact, the original suggestion was RC/NSG, for those who don't know.)

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Actually, 7+xv2 seems interesting.

D1, the nine rando alignment players get to lynch a player.
D2, the x players choose another player to flip.
D3 the x players guess a scumteam.

You have a 1.4% chance of autowin to double scum flip, a 3% chance of a win to 1 scumflip and correct guess, and a 2% chance to no scumflip and double correct guess.

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7+xv2 is probably balanced-ish with compulsive NKs outside of the paragons.

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:drama!:

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Oh, frick, I screwed up those calculations.

Fixing in a moment.

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2.7% double scum lynch
5.5% single scum lynch
2.7% no scum lynch


It's just a version of 9p with no PRs and Treestumps, tbh.

5+xv2 is close to a 20% town win rate, but I think if you go lower it gets trivial for a town win.

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I believe in a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of the heart.

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If it helps to dismiss any out of game associatives, I randomized alignments before anyone signed up for the game and then applied that randomization to the list the mod provided.

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Paragons, you have until (expired on 2019-03-20 12:00:00) to guess the scum team!

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BoP

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The Paragons chose Shoshin and Michael Scott as the scum team.

The Paragons, Enter, Singletonking, and Aubrey, have won the game!

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Does that sound like something I'd do?

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Links in the OP now public, btw.

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Yeah, the scum team, Aubrey and I all agreed the RC was obvtown.

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Okay, so I’m planning on trimming to mod since we’re still micro mod light. Should I use this setup, one of the proposed tweaks, or a completely different setup?

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I think, as is shared wincons is probably better, but the design concept here is a setup where you can guarantee you're 'town' in return for a more difficult win condition.

I don't think I'd run it as is again, because honestly having town have a harder job AND a lower winrate than paragons seems ass backwards. I think honestly, this could split into two setups: one with three distinct factions and one with 2 factions, one of which is populated by people who choose to be that faction.

The more I think about it, the more I think the former should probably just be Paragons guessing preflip. Make it one Dayphase, and paragons have 14 days, with plurality lynching when they submit their guess. They're still incentivized to scumhunt and interact, but they're not necessarily on town's side. Scum wants to convince them early so that town has less time to decide on a flip. Town wants to convince them to townside so that they give town the time they need to decide.

I think my next run is gonna be the 2 faction version, though, in case anyone is interested in joining.

I also think I'm going to make Paragons work a little differently. I'll have one paragon slot necessary in signups, and then allow anyone to join as a paragon over the course of the game. I had a couple spectators join, and it occurred to me that they were basically paragons. It wouldn't have been fair to scum to let them join in without announcing it beforehand, but I think it would make spectating more fun. And besides, as a paragon you never actually have to post in the main thread.

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If there's a Paragon round 2, pre-in me as paragon. I need to get better as town.

Which head?

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Alright. I'm planning on /inning to mod now, but as I have no limit to the number of Paragons, there's no reason to pre-in. I'll let you know when it hits signups.

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On the plus side, you were involved in breaking a perfect scum streak, so that's something to be proud of!

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Thanks for mod, Jingle.

NP. Thanks for the entertainment, urap.

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I switched it up a little for the next round, but Paragons don't have to /in in the queue; they can join after game start.

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I switched it up a little for the next round, but Paragons don't have to /in in the queue; they can join after game start.

Is it OK to still pre-in as a Paragon? Or are you saying it doesn't matter because any number of people can join the game as a Paragon?

Kinda both. I'll give you paragon access, and if you never post in the thread it won't affect anything.

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BoP Version 2 is in signups!

If you want to play as a player, head to the micro queue. If you want Paragon/Spectator access, PM me.

Either way, I hope to see you guys there!