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Post Post #37 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:19 am

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VOTE: Wilky

His single post consists of a naked vote with no explanation, rhyme, or reason.
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Post Post #41 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:33 am

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In post 31, Emperor flippyNips wrote:VOTE: L84Dnr
Any particular reason?
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Post Post #42 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:37 am

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In post 38, Persivul wrote:Yeah, it's called random voting stage for a reason.
Sure RVS, but not NVS. Make up some transparently ridiculous reason for your vote at least. e.g.: "Is your avatar looking at me funny?"
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Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:40 am

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In post 39, wilky wrote:Also the claim was the right decision to make, lets bin pers as town for now and find scum.
Agreed. He's either town or very ballsy scum. The latter seems unlikely, so he's on my town pile for now.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:43 am

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In post 44, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 41, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 31, Emperor flippyNips wrote:VOTE: L84Dnr
Any particular reason?

They looked at me funny
They would. I'm told that the "O"s appear to be looking at you regardless of the angle.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #5) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:56 am

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Policy lynch over humour? Seems a bit harsh, especially since a lot of players haven't chimed in yet.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:59 am

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In post 44, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 41, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 31, Emperor flippyNips wrote:VOTE: L84Dnr
Any particular reason?

They looked at me funny
Better?
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Post Post #57 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:55 am

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In post 56, u r a person 2 wrote:L84dnr legit feels like scum

VOTE: l84dnr
Based on what?
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Post Post #59 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:20 am

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In post 58, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 45, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 39, wilky wrote:Also the claim was the right decision to make, lets bin pers as town for now and find scum.
Agreed. He's either town or very ballsy scum. The latter seems unlikely, so he's on my town pile for now.
In post 49, L84Dnr wrote:Policy lynch over humour? Seems a bit harsh, especially since a lot of players haven't chimed in yet.
you seem actually concerned over votes on you
This early in Day 1?!? I'd have to be impressively high-strung to be worried about that. I will admit to being interested in who votes on me.
like who actually cares if rvs votes are warranted.
They aren't, by definition. I consider it a matter of style to make up a flimsy excuse for my RVS vote. If somebody doesn't then I can use that to get discussion going. Like this one.

BTW, what does my Post #45 have to do with it?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:39 pm

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In post 61, John Marv wrote:VOTE: L84Dnr wagon
Why?
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Post Post #80 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:45 pm

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In post 63, Flavor Leaf wrote:Let’s spice things up a bit.

Hardclaiming Masons with Vedith.
Aside from painting a bullseye on you I'm not sure what this claim does.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:02 pm

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In post 82, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 80, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 63, Flavor Leaf wrote:Let’s spice things up a bit.

Hardclaiming Masons with Vedith.
Aside from painting a bullseye on you I'm not sure what this claim does.
I wanted to spice things up a bit.

You act like I thought about it before saying it. :lol:
My bad. Kudos for the spiciness at the expense of confidence in anything you might say.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:29 pm

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In post 63, Flavor Leaf wrote:Let’s spice things up a bit.

Hardclaiming Masons with Vedith.
In post 233, Flavor Leaf wrote:Even Vedith and Creature are scummy to me right now, and I am notorious for town reading them when I shouldn’t.
@Flavor Leaf. Kindly reconcile these statements. If you and Vedith are Masons and confirmed town to one another then why do you even need to read one another?

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Post Post #331 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:57 pm

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In post 330, Flavor Leaf wrote::lol: at L8
Perhaps you could elaborate?
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Post Post #334 (isolation #14) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:08 pm

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In post 333, Flavor Leaf wrote:Was that supposed to be some kind of ‘Gotcha!’ Moment?
No, sadly that was just me trying to figure out if your spicy hardclaim was a load of horseshit or not. I'm used to games where that'd get you lynched, but clearly I'm still figuring out the dynamic here.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #336 (isolation #15) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:13 pm

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And I'm going to disagree on Burkenstock...
In post 96, Burkenstock wrote:So I've never played this. Do we know what all the roles are? Or how many people know more than others or is that mystery part of it? I juzt know that there are only wolves in 14 or more. Also persivul is screaming for his life over here.
He's this n00b...
In post 185, Burkenstock wrote:I am getting a lot of hate from some bunnies and the like. I cannot tell if you are ignorant like me or are taking out a pick as mafia.. I wish I could reveal myself in some way but that's the curse of vt
But experienced enough to know that VTs can't RC worth a damn?
In post 203, Burkenstock wrote:I'm going to be honest so much has happened that I have no idea. Especially because I am not even sure what the potential roles are.
If it is true that there are 4 scum then that makes a big difference.
Four scum is a big thing...
In post 225, Burkenstock wrote:
I am not sure if 4 mafia makes a big difference
but wilky and u r a person 2's interest in it is eerily scummy. Maybe I'm reading this wrong?
Then when he's asked why it's not such a big deal, followed by deflective suspicion.

N00bs are full of questions and opinion. Gotta tell them everything thrice. Burke's ISO is anemic, a couple of basic n00b questions for the matter of form, and a bunch of one-liners. The inconsistency, the over-played n00b card, and the active lurking all look n00b scummy.

VOTE: Burkenstock
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Post Post #337 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:15 pm

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[quote="In post 335, Flavor Leaf"I’m the reaction test player around these here parts.[/quote]

Clearly.
Scum tremble before me. Moo ha ha...ha.
Are you channelling Bessy the Hell Cow?
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Post Post #338 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:19 pm

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EBWOP %$&# Quote tags
In post 335, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m the reaction test player around these here parts.
Clearly.
Scum tremble before me. Moo ha ha...ha.
Are you channelling Bessy the Hell Cow?
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Post Post #339 (isolation #18) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:40 pm

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In post 95, wilky wrote:VOTE: l48dnr

This slot really feels like scum
Yeah, I'm one of those weirdos that prefers information over naked or poorly-explained votes.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #19) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:20 pm

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Nothing quite like an OMGUS vote to make my day.

@Burke, what's your Mafia/Werewolf experience? Not just on this site but as a whole?
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Post Post #345 (isolation #20) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:03 pm

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In post 344, Burkenstock wrote:
In post 343, L84Dnr wrote:Nothing quite like an OMGUS vote to make my day.

@Burke, what's your Mafia/Werewolf experience? Not just on this site but as a whole?
Yeah I think its a pretty good game.
Me too. Allow me to rephrase.

How much experience do you have playing Mafia/Werewolf? On this site and elsewhere?

Since I asked, I played Newbie 1913. I got subbed in for "Blank" a couple days into Day 1.

I've played six games on another site where we use much more rapid 24 hour Day and Night phases. We use the MafiaScum Wiki a lot, which is how I discovered this place.

Your turn.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:12 pm

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In post 347, u r a person 2 wrote:also i can see town!burk better.

if burk is scum, tho, then his brother probably is, too
Who's Burke's brother? Sorry, not following all the relationships here.

Speaking of which, I played Newbie 1913 with YellowSnow, who we mislynched Day 1.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #22) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:36 pm

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In post 349, u r a person 2 wrote:i mean, his mafia experience was already discussed, too.

The game isn't that long. Put down your cook book and read it ;P
I'm more interested in hearing it from him. It isn't as if it'll take him more than 5 minutes to type it up.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #23) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:41 am

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With this many scum and this many n00bs there's good odds on n00b scum, so let's talk to the silence.

@John Marv You've made three posts in as many days for a grand total of 8 words and zero content.
Kindly explain your absence.

VOTE: John Marv
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Post Post #396 (isolation #24) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:23 am

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In post 392, Vedith wrote:
In post 391, L84Dnr wrote:With this many scum and this many n00bs there's good odds on n00b scum, so let's talk to the silence.
:lol:
So tell me your reads again?
Still working on many of them.

Persivul's strong town, though not quite for the reason most people are looking at.
John Marv and Yellow Snow are at 3 posts each and I'd like to know why.
I'm still waiting to hear back from Burkenstock.
Flavour Leaf is pinging me as slightly scummy but I'm having a hard time reading him.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:00 am

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In post 397, Vedith wrote:
In post 396, L84Dnr wrote:Persivul's strong town, though not quite for the reason most people are looking at.
John Marv and Yellow Snow are at 3 posts each and I'd like to know why.
I'm still waiting to hear back from Burkenstock.
Flavour Leaf is pinging me as slightly scummy but I'm having a hard time reading him.
Does Pers claim help your town read though?
Informed Town would be an easy claim to fake, but I feel like scum!Pers would have claimed some other information. If it come to a point where the number of scum is obviously less than what he has claimed then he eats rope. It still might be a good play for ramping up the pressure on town artificially.

I view his Post #5 as more telling. If you're going to fakeclaim then you aren't worried about paraphrasing your role PM.
You shouldn't put alignment to activity. But I like that your questioning it.
Not by itself, no. It is a reasonable tell for n00bscum, especially when combined with low content but you never use a single tell in isolation. This early in Day 1 it doesn't mean much. All I really want to do is get our silent partners talking so there's some info on which way to bin them.
FL is pinging me as town which I don't like.
I'm having a hard time reading through all the fluff but his Post #332 looked like an attempt to buddy me. It's weak though.
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Post Post #402 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:06 am

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In post 398, Flavor Leaf wrote:@L8 - most people give it a day or 2 with me because there’s not enough info to solve Day 1.

People just know I’ve successfully gotten through with some tin foil theory scum plays.

I feel like our styles just don’t mesh too well, and you realize that, but you naturally just want to scum read that style.
There's rarely enough info to solve anybody on Day 1. It's why I'm giving you a weak lean.

You're a manipulative player. Nothing wrong with that but it rubs me the wrong way. I'm an analytical player and trying to see through that.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 404, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 332, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 331, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 330, Flavor Leaf wrote::lol: at L8
Perhaps you could elaborate?
You act like it was a serious claim and used that to get your read.

I even went after some of the people who went on you. :lol:
And you said this looked like buddying?

This was shade, fella.
Just a weak read based on a comment you made. If it had been anything substantial I wouldn't have moved my vote.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #28) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:48 pm

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In post 419, Burkenstock wrote:VOTE: EmperorflippyNips
Another naked OMGUS vote?

Burkenstock, I think that you really need to explain why you're voting for Flippy.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #29) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:20 pm

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In post 447, Burkenstock wrote:I've had suspicions about him and easy bake for a bit. Mostly flippy because he wasn't saying too much then came in to join some fingers.
What did they do that struck you as suspicious?
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Post Post #454 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:22 pm

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In post 449, Flavor Leaf wrote:Burke’s been the focus of the game for a bit. I don’t really think he’s scum.
Why not?
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Post Post #458 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:48 pm

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In post 455, Burkenstock wrote:I think the people that came after me wanted an easy target and those people are largely town jumping onto the bandwagon to kill me.
Sounds to me like you're jumping at shadows. Having one or two people vote you is no by deal.

People voted me and just asked them why. That got more people voting me, but I'm the sort of wierdo that likes having a wagon. I find the most interesting people riding it.
Easy bake just gives me hard scum vibes.
What has he done that's particularly scummy?
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Post Post #459 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:52 pm

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@Burkenstock

I'd be particularly interested in hearing your take on John Marv and Yellow Snow. How do you read them?
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Post Post #466 (isolation #33) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:20 am

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Well since the vote count is referring to it as "John Marv's slot"

UNVOTE:

YellowSnow! Come, make your presence known! Before you get downgraded to a slot as well.

VOTE: YellowSnow

Why so quiet?
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Post Post #485 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:09 pm

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- YellowSnow is probably replaced unless he pipes up soon. He hasn't made a post in nearly 3 days.
- The slot formerly known as John Marv is currently being filled. No point speculating on that until somebody's subbed in.
- Burkenstock is looking like a reasonable Day 1 lynch. His n00b act is inconsistent and his naked OMGUS votes and equally unexplained unvotes look typical n00bscum. His question dodging isn't improving that impression.
- Weak town leans on WIlky and ARUPerson2
- Weak scum lean on Flavour Leaf.

I know, no great revelations. I need to sit down and go through this more thoroughly to figure the rest of you out.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:33 pm

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UNVOTE:

No point keeping that vote on Yellow Snow.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:26 pm

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@Scepticism

What are your reads on Creature and Vedith?
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Post Post #516 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:12 pm

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@Burkenstock

What are your reads? I'd be especially interested in knowing what you think of Dr. Easy Bake.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #38) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:35 pm

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VOTE: Creature

@Creature I'd be interested in knowing what your reads are.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #39) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:44 pm

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In post 524, Creature wrote:
In post 523, L84Dnr wrote:VOTE: Creature

@Creature I'd be interested in knowing what your reads are.
Okay.

I actually have a lot of reads, some I can cite are: economy, astronomy, philosophy, sociology, fiction, literature, epistemology, history, science.
Very funny. Much like all the ther fluff you've posted.

Your ISO's so anemic I'm surprised it doesn't faint dead away. In 4 days you've asked all of two meaningful questions and failed to cast a single vote, even in RVS. YellowSnow and John Marv just didn't post, but your active lurking is actually pinging me a scummier than Burkentock ATM.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:48 pm

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In post 532, Dr Easy Bake wrote:I’m enjoying the fluff!
No problem with a little fluff but this is a solid diet of cotton candy.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:56 pm

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In post 534, Creature wrote:Is that all you can pull?
Well, you seem pretty averse to answering questions too, until somebody votes you and then you perk up PDQ.

Faffing about and forming your own impressions is fine, but town runs on information. You aren't producing any in either direction.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #42) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:58 pm

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In post 538, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 535, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 532, Dr Easy Bake wrote:I’m enjoying the fluff!
No problem with a little fluff but this is a solid diet of cotton candy.
Line of the game so far.

I’m on team L8 right now.
Team L8?!? :roll:
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Post Post #541 (isolation #43) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:26 pm

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In post 498, Scepticism wrote:Posts are short and lack oomph. There are more guilty of that of course, but wilky gives me the worst gut sensation so far.
Could you elaborate? Perhaps with a post longer and more Oomphful than Wilky's?
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Post Post #586 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:46 pm

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In post 542, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Is there any way to like kickstart this thing? 12 days is such a looooong day cycle! I’m ready to get this day one lynching out of the way and get some new info. I’m ready to get scummy Brother Sandal out of the mix.
Why so eager to see Burkenstock lynched?
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Post Post #587 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:53 pm

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@Burkenstock

What are your reads?
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Post Post #594 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:16 pm

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In post 588, Burkenstock wrote:I have leans on TLK, Easy, creature, flippy, and wilky but im not sure about anything. More eager for crrature and easy at this point.
Leans? Which way? Town or scum? What's your reasoning behind these leans?

Sounds like you've found five scum out of a possible four.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:39 pm

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I'd be willing to wagon Burkenstock to see what some real pressure does. I'm scumreading him for a variety of reasons.

Low content one-liners including a lot of information instead of analysis.

Plays the n00b card but plays it wrong and inconsistently:
In post 112, Burkenstock wrote:Also can we all agree that Flavor Leaf would never claim what he actuly is this early on and the fact that he chose a town faction only underlines that he is.. excuse me.. full of shit?
His thinking is sophisticated enough to call BS on Leaf's "hardclaim" :up:
In post 136, Burkenstock wrote:Don't certain roles get their own chats? I feel like people who probably talked early but then haven't been participating are scum plotting their secrets. I could be wrong about this..
But n000b enough to wonder if scum are plotting in secret? :up: I have a hard time reconciling those.

He also isn't acting like a typical n00b, which is to ask wall-o-text questions, especially
The N00B Question
, and then keep asking them. He doesn't have a single vote, not even in RVS, until he starts dropping OMGUS votes and then discovers how to PDQ. All his votes and unvotes are naked and purely reflexive. His few reads are bare accusations with no reasoning to back them up. It's hard to get him to reply and when he does they're minimal, evasive, or even Q4Q. I'm getting close to BINGO on his card.

What does everybody think about voting him up to L-2 and asking him to produce a detailed reads list?

VOTE: Burkenstock
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Post Post #607 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:45 pm

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In post 605, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Early for Lunch
Horrible username. To easy to misspell it "Early for Lynch".
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Post Post #627 (isolation #49) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:14 am

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I'd like to hear more from Scepticism before end of Day phase. The content of his posts has been low for somebody who voted another player for that exact reason.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #50) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:58 am

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Why not Burkenstock?

I'm asking because I'm as good at tunnelling as the next person, so what are you seeing that I'm not?

Who do you suggest for the lynch?
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Post Post #676 (isolation #51) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:00 am

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I think that "Nurse Hard Boil" needs an award, though I'd like to put DrEBful in the running.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 712, Dr Easy Bake wrote:
In post 711, u r a person 2 wrote:You know what this game needs? Less people not voting anywhere

Lucky for ya'll, there is a ton of room on the TLK wagon that I am conducting

Tickets are free, and the seats are comfy
We’ve also got an (L-4) situation on the Brother Sandal Express, all aboard!
Don't take him up above L-2. I don't want him self-hammering before he's had time to make interesting noises.
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Post Post #722 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 pm

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In post 716, Burkenstock wrote:L8 frustrates me because he wants to see me dead so bad but I am not sure that makes him scum.
I don't want you dead. I've even asked people not to lynch you until you've had ample opportunity to have your say. I just want our best shot at avoiding a mislynch and right now that seems to be you. If you're town then convince me that I'm wrong. If I'm scum then convince everybody else that I'm wrong. Right now you only have 3 votes on you and it takes 7 to lynch, so if you work at it you should be able to get this wagon off of you. Try that instead of acting like you're already dead.
For now I really do not have a hard read because I can't just jump on the Burkenstock bandwagon.
See, that's a bad sign. You should have a few reads at least with a few reasons to back them up. It's been nearly a week. For example, what's your take on Scepticism and Chara?
In post 718, Burkenstock wrote:
In post 550, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 546, Dr Easy Bake wrote:
In post 544, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Actually

UNVOTE:
Why are you unvoting Brother Sandal now?
He’s not worth it right now he can get sorted later. I don’t like that he’s not answering my question but posting but it’s fine he can die D2
My gut read has been wilky. To be honest he came out stong and has fallen off which is scummy but I want to believe his business post because here I am throwing one down. I was going to come on here and remove my vote but Flippynips gives me a "he will die later why waste our first vote" vibe.
So Wilky's your top scum read because...???
But you're still voting Flippy because he's willing to let you live until Day 2??? The bastard!
My opinion is wishy washy though, really tough to be sure for me.
Town is never sure. Wishy-washy is exactly how I'd describe it, right down to this bit of equivocation.
In post 719, Burkenstock wrote:Also, what is the N00b question that L8 brought up? Legitimately curious.
Every n00b game somebody asks if we really have to lynch somebody Day 1 based on little to no info when it's good odds of a mislynch. It usually takes a few pages to explain that even a mislynch produces information. That and if town waits for certainty we end up NKed to death.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:17 am

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In post 724, Burkenstock wrote:I think we should vote flippy. He has hid himself just the perfect amount.
Even though your top scumread is Wilky? He's going to feel left out.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:26 am

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Burkenstock's my bet too. I can make a case for Flippy but not nearly as strong a case.

Scepticism's been awfully quiet for somebody who voted based on low activity.

VOTE: Scepticism

Hey Scepticism, pipe up! Hopefully before you get replaced.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 am

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In post 760, wilky wrote:
In post 758, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 724, Burkenstock wrote:I think we should vote flippy. He has hid himself just the perfect amount.
Even though your top scumread is Wilky? He's going to feel left out.
Meh, im conflicted on this. Sometimes you have to settle on where your votes go but I think one glaring thing is that Burkes vote has never been on me this game despite me apparently being his biggest scum read
Yeah, he was quick enough to OMGUS me and Flippy, but hasn't bothered to vote his top scumread.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:02 pm

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In post 765, Chara wrote:
In post 763, L84Dnr wrote:Burkenstock's my bet too. I can make a case for Flippy but not nearly as strong a case.

Scepticism's been awfully quiet for somebody who voted based on low activity.

VOTE: Scepticism

Hey Scepticism, pipe up! Hopefully before you get replaced.
i could still go for Scept here, especially if 4 scum is legitimate. (which i lean towards.)

but what's your opinion on TLK?
I'm just concerned that it's another wasted vote because Scepticism is about to be replaced.

I haven't seen anything obvious from TLK but haven't looked very hard TBH. What's your case against him?

I think that Flippy's a bad Day 1 mislynch. Look at the pattern of votes with me, Flippy and Burke:

- I vote Burke
- Burke OMGUS votes me
- I unvote Burke
- Burke OMGUDSTM unvotes me
- Flippy votes Burke for that
- Burke OMGUS votes Flippy

The easy explanation for that pattern is that Burke is n00b scum, which I still favour. His play is almost entirely reactionary.

If either I or Flippy are scum that makes a lot less sense. It could be a shitty attempt to wagon town but we'd have to have pooched it pretty badly.

We could all be town but that's hard to reconcile with Burke's style.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:04 pm

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In post 776, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Wilky/L8 probably has some scum in them.
Curious. I'm leaning town on Wilky. What's your thinking here?
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Post Post #798 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:09 pm

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In post 797, Burkenstock wrote:My flippy vote actually wasn't an OMGUS but the other ones were for sure spite in hindsight. I think the red flag of his in the shadows isn't being appreciated enough but it is impossible to be sure at this point. I still think it is a good idea.
How not? It's a naked vote right after he voted you.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:26 pm

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In post 802, Flavor Leaf wrote:If Burken is actually scum, sure, Wilky can be town, but if Burken is green, would you still think Wilky is town?
Sure. Town lynches town. Being on a mislynch doesn't make you scum. Pushing the wrong wagon doesn't make you scum.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:34 pm

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@Burkenstock

Can you explain your unvote of me? :down:
In post 400, Burkenstock wrote:UNVOTE: L84Dnr
I want to know what your reasoning was.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:44 pm

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In post 803, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 792, Chara wrote:in the end i'd prefer a wagon that wasn't Burke or Flippy. TLK is better, Scept is also better. i disagree with Flavor that Scept is a fall guy. doesn't feel that way to me with the way that Flippy and Burke's wagons are.
Counterwagon, not fall guy.

How does that not look like that? At all?

Burke/Flips are going up, and Sceptism is literally the compromise wagon.

If scum is in Burke/Flips, Scept is 100% getting pushed somewhere, not necessarily by the people voting.

To think that scum isn’t in control of this game with probable 4 scum is kind of ridiculous, tbh.
Flippy doesn't strike me as scum. I'm not voting him without a compelling argument.

Burkenstock does look like scum but his wagon hasn't gone anywhere.

Scepticism isn't my favorite but he's next on my list. He'll either squeak or get replaced in the next day. Either way we'll hear something from that slot.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:42 pm

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In post 820, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 806, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 802, Flavor Leaf wrote:If Burken is actually scum, sure, Wilky can be town, but if Burken is green, would you still think Wilky is town?
Sure. Town lynches town. Being on a mislynch doesn't make you scum. Pushing the wrong wagon doesn't make you scum.
And just because you think Wilky is town doesn’t make him town. :lol:
Nope. Just saying that Burk flipping green wouldn't mean Wilky was red.
Then what does make someone scum to you?
You want the long list or the short one?

- Burkenstock: Purely reflexive play and active lurking.
- Scepticism: Poor reasoning and passive lurking.
- Creature: Pure fluff. Yes, I checked his meta and he does this as town. He also does it as scum but less actively.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #64) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:10 pm

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In post 840, Flavor Leaf wrote:I feel like L8’s the scum controlling the game.
I told you earlier, I'm the analytical/calculating type. I'm rubbish at manipulation.

I agree that there's scum controlling the game though. With 7 required to lynch and only 9 town that's inevitable.

So what does that tell you about the merits of Flippy's wagon compared to Burkenstock's?
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Post Post #857 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:58 pm

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In post 844, Flavor Leaf wrote:L8, however, has set it up perfectly to allow for a Flips/Burken double mislynch, and he’s already made sure to try and discredit me when given the chance, a la the Wilky defense, the Creature push, and the shade on me.
If I'm counting right, Flippy is at L-1 and I have a vote. By your theory my smart play would be to hammer him and move on to mislynching Burkenstock Day 2. My resistance to Flippy's lynch doesn't make a whole lot of sense in this context.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "the Wilky defense", how it would discredit you, or even why that would be terribly important.

I just admitted that my earlier vote on Creature was misplaced. He fluffs around every game just as you said. The "Creature push" got a whole 2 votes and was stillborn pages back.

As for shade, I've been waffling between weak town and weak scum on you. You're hard to read.
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Post Post #859 (isolation #66) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:59 pm

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In post 855, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’d just like to bring up the mere fact that there is ZERO support for the L8 wagon, yet I’m not being targeted.
Don't you hate it when there are 8000 channels and there's nothing to watch?
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Post Post #860 (isolation #67) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:00 pm

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In post 856, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Burkenstock

Let’s just end the day then.
That I can get behind.

VOTE: Burkenstock
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Post Post #868 (isolation #68) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:17 pm

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I'm just happy to find one fairly obvious lynch on Day 1. Ask me about teams after the flip and the NK.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #69) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:11 pm

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Hi Shiidaji.

Odd choices. Wilky's been popular, though I disagree. Chara has seemed relatively town. I'm back and forth on FLeaf, though always weak leans.

What are you seeing that I'm not?

We're approaching the end of Day 1 early next week (Tuesday?) and it has been a long, slow day. Wagons are on Burkenstock and Flippy ATM.
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Post Post #894 (isolation #70) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:15 pm

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In post 890, Shiidaji wrote:In addition John Marv slot is town so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through.
How do you figure? John Marv made all of 3 posts and Scepticism has been mostly MIA.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #71) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:07 pm

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Does this look like a scumslip to anybody else?

In post 890, Shiidaji wrote:In addition John Marv slot is town...
Here's John Marv's total contribution to the game:
In post 61, John Marv wrote:VOTE: L84Dnr wagon
In post 62, John Marv wrote:Vedith Persivul maybe town
In post 360, John Marv wrote:Hallo
Three whole posts that you could type in under a minute. I can't fathom how Shiidaji is getting a town read so solid that he can state that "John Marv is town" with such certainty out of those three lines.
...so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through.
And then goes on to laud Scepticism, who has only been marginally more active and whose first act was to vote Wilky based on what I consider to be rubbish reasoning. Possible scumwagon?

Something is fundamentally wrong here and Shiidaji needs to explain it. I don't like to do this to somebody replacing in but this is a whole lot of red flags.

VOTE: Shiidaji
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Post Post #920 (isolation #72) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:09 pm

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In post 916, Flavor Leaf wrote:I feel like L8’s defending Wilky because I’m scum leaning Wilky, and this trying to hatchet me out of it so I can’t push my scum reads without having it turn on me.
I'm ambivalent on Wilky.

Give me your read on John Marv.
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Post Post #925 (isolation #73) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:14 pm

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In post 923, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 920, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 916, Flavor Leaf wrote:I feel like L8’s defending Wilky because I’m scum leaning Wilky, and this trying to hatchet me out of it so I can’t push my scum reads without having it turn on me.
I'm ambivalent on Wilky.

Give me your read on John Marv.
Null af. The slot’s done nothing.
Precisely. Now how does Shiidaji's townread of John Marv strike you?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #74) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:21 pm

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In post 926, Shiidaji wrote:L8 honey that's really sweet you must have spent a lot of time thinking about it but I'm going to just stick that right there on the fridge, put my hand in yours, and we're going to get through this, okay? I'm here for you.
I really hope that you have a better explanation than that.

You just townread a no-show with firm certainty. Explain.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #75) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

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In post 927, Burkenstock wrote:Okay I picked this up too but didn't look back to make sure. I don't know exactly how to read this or if I'm jumping on but you're absolutely right.
I'll be damned, we agree on something.

I didn't expect Shiidaji to shift my opinion on Persivul's slot much but this could change a whole lot. If that slot's scum then Persivul's claim is bogus and has been making us think that there are more scum than there really are. That would mean that we're overly paranoid because our understanding of the gamestate is fundamentally flawed.
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Post Post #936 (isolation #76) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:38 pm

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In post 930, Chara wrote:why did this game have to get fun at 3am?
That's when the interesting people wake up.

And when the sleep deprivation starts inducing hallucinations.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #77) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:51 pm

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Or all goats, depending on which door you open.
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #78) » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:08 pm

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In post 1041, Shiidaji wrote:
In post 1022, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 909, Shiidaji wrote:Marv's three little bitty posts give me happy feelings
please talk to me about this and about how scepticism's posts confirmed these thoughts for you
Sure, L8 and Chara asked yesterday too :] Let's satisfy.
In post 61, John Marv wrote:VOTE: L84Dnr wagon
In post 62, John Marv wrote:Vedith Persivul maybe town
In post 360, John Marv wrote:Hallo
I like quick curt comments like this and generally townread them when they seem brash and posted without thinking. That's reflected in my D1 Creature read. The wagon vote, a read that I agree with and a read that I know is correct, and the prod dodge that isn't some long-winded excuse followed by a replacement all lean me towards town. To me scum are more inclined to provide fluff or false content to fill out their prod dodge posts because it helps them coast more smoothly. That is where my head was at!
I'm not buying it.

VOTE: Shiidaji

You got a firm read out of John Marv's three one-liners, the longest of which is four words? Pull the other one. It has bells on. This is nothing but a post-hoc excuse for scum-slip.

Your actions today don't match your words. You think TLK and Leaf are scum, but while you're tunnelling Leaf you're voting TLK. This smacks of insincerity and distancing.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #79) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:28 am

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In post 1148, Flavor Leaf wrote:Who’s he distancing from?

John Marv slot?
Nope, this is his Day 2 stuff, so either you or TLK.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:39 am

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In post 1174, Vedith wrote:So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?
I'm reading him as slightly less scummy. He could just be n00b town. Still in my scum pile though.

Right now I'm favouring our sleepless friend. The reasoning behind his vote is rubbish and smells synthetic.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Insomnia
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #81) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 am

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In post 1177, insomnia wrote:
In post 1174, Vedith wrote:So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?
In post 37, L84Dnr wrote:VOTE: Wilky

His single post consists of a naked vote with no explanation, rhyme, or reason.
Who doesn't like a sleepless friend, I'm always here.

My vote is there to apply pressure since me and urap2 have a bit of experience with each other and we have a certain synergy. My votes are mostly put to generate reads, I'm inclined to believe your votes are just like mine, correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm confused here. What's the quoted text for?
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:40 am

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In post 1181, insomnia wrote:L8, how did you end up slightly town reading burken? I'm asking because I'm tring him as well but for other reasons, I'm interested in the progression of your read. I feel like we should keep Burk in check, his lack of presence is concerning and it makes me doubt my read on him.
I'm not town-reading him. I'm reading him a slightly less scummy. Down from a strong scum lean to a moderate scum lean.

His Day 1 play was almost entirely reactive. Lots of OMGUS and sheeping. He showed a little original thinking toward end of Day phase that improved my opinion of him very slightly.

Nothing today, which may be NAI may be scummy.
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:44 am

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In post 1187, Vedith wrote:
In post 1176, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1174, Vedith wrote:So who's reading Burkenstock as town and why?
I'm reading him as slightly less scummy. He could just be n00b town. Still in my scum pile though.

Right now I'm favouring our sleepless friend. The reasoning behind his vote is rubbish and smells synthetic.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Insomnia
Okay I had you as probably town yesterday, haven't decided if I keep that yet today.
What's difference of noob town and noob Scum?
N00b town is typically excitable, full of questions, running about and crapping on the carpet.
N00b scum is lurky, reactive, lying low and being very careful to keep off the carpet.

I'm reading Burkenstock as a lot more like the latter than the former but he's come up a very small notch for me. I'd still be content to see him eat rope.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:04 am

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In post 1190, insomnia wrote:~I advocate a L8 lynch because he's been pushing the same slots as TLK has, except for Flippy.
Not just because I have a vote on you?
If TLK flips scum, L8 becomes suspicious for trying to derail the wagon
By what reasoning is it scummy to not sheep Shidaji's vote?
that Shidaji, an
informed townie
claim day 1 is trying to start on TLK.
How do you read John Marv?
Another reason as to why I feel L8 is a good lynch is because, looking at his ISO I can see him being very reluctant when it comes to pushing anyone. He votes and then unvotes and doesn't insist on a lynch.
You mean aside from Burkenstock and Shiidaji? Nice misrep.
Also, he was not on the wilky wagon, which I know sounds weird, but from my experience, scum don't hop on wagons day one because they think they get extra town points.
Only if you're an idiot. Much safer on the wagon for scum. I stated flat out that I wasn't going to vote Wilky and stuck to it. Scum don't commit that way. They're wishy-washy.

But hey, thanks for helping confirm that my vote has a good home.
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:51 am

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In post 1199, insomnia wrote:Starting to get a little defensive with that swearing.
What fucking swearing?
Also, you aren't even aware of the actions you've taken, which further proves my point that even you don't have a solid scum read and you're just fooling around. You don't even know where your vote's at and where it was.
Well one of us isn't.
- You accused me of not pressuring anybody.
- I replied that you'd omitted Burkenstock and Shiidaji.
- You just posted a bunch of quotes that show that I did. Check under the spoiler tags
- And then somehow you arrive this. Looks like you don't know why you're voting me here and now.
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:55 am

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In post 1200, insomnia wrote:Where's that misrep?
The bit where you suggested I wasn't pushing anybody. See Burkenstock's "I'm going to get mislynched by L8 and his scummy pals, woe is me" posts for a counterargument.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 1201, insomnia wrote:
Only if you're an idiot. Much safer on the wagon for scum. I stated flat out that I wasn't going to vote Wilky and stuck to it. Scum don't commit that way. They're wishy-washy
And I disagree once again. On my alt account,
on my first newbie game
as scum I've advocated for a no-lynch because my scum buddy was being pushed hardcore and I stuck to my No-lynch, otherwise I would've looked suspicious. You can check it out for yourself, Newbie 1918 , I played under the account "scum reading". So your explanation here is invalid and incorrect.
So you did this as a n00b. So did I. That's what I'm saying. This is a n00b/dumb play for scum. Sure people do it but it isn't cunning play.
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:03 am

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In post 1216, insomnia wrote: 1.
He votes and then unvotes and doesn't
insist on a lynch.
Firstly, there’s no mentioning of
pressure
, I don’t look at pressuring and pushing the same. You pressure to get information and you do it to form reads. Pushing is when you already have gotten some reactions from the person you want to lynch, so you push them, basically, when you push, you commit to lynch a person. And then I said that you aren’t doing that.
Semantics. I guess posting Shiidaji's scumslip in
Bolded Yellow
wasn't enough
push
. :roll:
This is actually really confusing and I think you didn’t get my point at all. I’ve said you are reluctant to push anyone / commit to a lynch and I’ve backed that up with those quotes which prove my point. You saying “you mean aside from burkenstock and shiida” is implying you pushed them / committed to a lynch
Check the final Day 1 vote count.
which you haven’t since your current vote is on me.
What? I can't push you instead?
You built up this case on Shii that she town read my slot for nothing and that she’s scum reading TLK and FL but she’s tunneling FL and voting TLK(which I don’t even know what’s bad about, can you double lynch in a single day or? So again, this accusation isn’t that solid)
Interesting defense.
to only then completely disregard it and vote me because my vote is trash or how you called it.
I'm not disregarding it. I think that you're scummier. I said that the reasoning is rubbish and smells synthetic. You voted RUAPerson2 because you disagreed with his vote. That isn't a reason, that's an excuse.
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #89) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:33 pm

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In post 1228, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1223, L84Dnr wrote:Semantics. I guess posting Shiidaji's scumslip in Bolded Yellow wasn't enough push.
I must have missed the scum slip entirely. quote the post?
Post #890. Shiidaji uses a town-read of John Marv's slot to back his vote for Wilky.
In post 890, Shiidaji wrote:
In post 882, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 880, Shiidaji wrote:Hi flip

VOTE: wilky I want this.

I would loveee, to hear why
Strong scum vibes from first pages before he started coasting by during all the head bobbing. His jerky reaction to RVS in 39. Many cases where I feel he asked questions for the sake of asking a question instead of really wanting an answer to help his reads.
In addition
John Marv slot is town
so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through. Nothing since then has convinced me otherwise besides post 465 which I liked. Probably some other things I can't remember right now but it'll come.
Emphasis mine. I called BS because John Marv's non-contribution to the game was a complete null read and Scepticism's was little more. That would imply that his reason for voting Wilky was fabricated. My vote for him got me a condescending pat on the head for a non-answer that seemed even scummier.
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #90) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:45 pm

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In post 1249, The Last Knight wrote: This also feels either way for me:

1) if he's calling out Shiidaji for liking a slot scum read by L8, then it makes sense for town!L8 to pressure Shiidaji for this. I disagree with voting for Shiidaji because I don't think she's scum and that this is L8 misdirecting his scum read for some weird town reason.
I wasn't actually. Different people read get different reads. I might disagree with you but unless it's wildly insane I'm not about to vote you for having a difference of opinion. Not even as scum would I do something that weird.

Shiidaji town-read the John Marv slot. But John Marv was a complete non-entity. Nothing there to read. OK, three whole one line posts, one of which was "Hallo!" If somebody town-reads a null like that then I call BS.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #91) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:13 am

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In post 1278, insomnia wrote:When you have an
Informed TOWNIE
claim on day one, it does make sense to try and kill the claim, since it's conftown.
No, it's claimed town. Scum also know that there are 4 scum, so "Informed Townie" would be an easy claim to fake.

And that brings up the interesting question of why the Persivul/Shiidaji slot didn't get the NK.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #92) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 1278, insomnia wrote:Oh baby here we go, being voted by both of my scum reads, catching scum has never been easier
Which is more likely?
- 2 of the 3 scum are the only people on your wagon
- Your reads are wrong
You pushing me after L8 did reads to me as you trying to grasp on the single thing that's getting you out of a lynch today.
Hilarious coming from somebody who just voted his own counterwagon.
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #93) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:28 am

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Insomnia has accused me of not pushing my wagons hard enough, so could I get a couple more votes on his wagon? He's making interesting noises with 2 votes so I'd like to hear what a little more pressure produces.

Happy Insomnia?
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #94) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:51 am

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In post 1293, The Last Knight wrote:
In post 1290, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1278, insomnia wrote:When you have an
Informed TOWNIE
claim on day one, it does make sense to try and kill the claim, since it's conftown.
No, it's claimed town. Scum also know that there are 4 scum, so "Informed Townie" would be an easy claim to fake.

And that brings up the interesting question of why the Persivul/Shiidaji slot didn't get the NK.
That second part is a really interesting point that I want to agree with.

But as for scum knowing how many there, wouldn't the existence of a traitor make scum think that there are fewer scum than there actually are? Or is the scum team informed of a traitor's existence?

So, if they wouldn't know there was a potential traitor before a claim like informed town, how could an fake claim as informed town coming from scum be accurate?
Under the Normal guidelines for Traitor the scum team should know of the Traitor's existence.
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #95) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:54 am

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In post 1304, Chara wrote:does insomnia have a counterwagon right now? i'm not sure of the count.
TLK has a few on him.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #96) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:46 pm

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In post 1325, Shiidaji wrote:Ura probably not, L8 is who I expected to have something to say if he actually suspected me since townL8 keeps track of his scumreads' reads. But up till now I've had L8 as my biggest townread. TLK feels like he's pretty happy to get pressure off him but he'd do that as either alignment. You wouldn't say anything.
I didn't notice it because you didn't use vote tags. I probably wouldn't if you had. Votes change. It's when votes change with batshit explanations that I twitch.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #97) » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:49 pm

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Insomnia's at L-2. I think that's a good place to cap it until we've heard from the absentees. No more lolhammers SVP and don't put anybody to L-1 because they may well self-hammer if they're scum.
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #98) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:27 am

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In post 1337, Flavor Leaf wrote:UNVOTE: Insomnia

I don’t even scum read the guy.

Scums on the wagon.
Of course scum's on the wagon. Half the player list was on the wagon when you ran it up to L-1 so they'd be imbeciles not to be on it.
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:29 am

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In post 1343, Dr Easy Bake wrote:I still think we need to talk about Brother Sandal. We were mostly convinced he was a noob scum D1 and now it's like we've forgotten that.
Not forgotten. Just keeping him for later. He's just MIA so no point in wagonning him until he gets back.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #100) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:37 am

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In post 1347, Vedith wrote:
In post 1345, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1337, Flavor Leaf wrote:UNVOTE: Insomnia

I don’t even scum read the guy.

Scums on the wagon.
Of course scum's on the wagon. Half the player list was on the wagon when you ran it up to L-1 so they'd be imbeciles not to be on it.
Lol was that a slip that you know he's town?
Scum will be on the wagon if he's scum too. It'd be really easy VCA if all we had to do was wagon everybody and look at who never voted.
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #101) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:42 pm

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VOTE: Flavour Leaf

For all his chatter he's low on content. Combined with his long-running "I don't know who is scum" routine that's an attempt to look busy. Town never knows who is scum.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #102) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:33 pm

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VOTE: Insomnia

I don't know why we didn't lynch him Day 2.
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #103) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:48 pm

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In post 1448, u r a person 2 wrote:So guys, how's everyone doing? good? good. Here's a thing you should know:

I'm a three-shot loyal neighborizer.

I've used my ability twice

and I have no one in my neighborhood. =)

Insomnia was my night 1 check
Flavor Leaf was my night 2 check.

I'll leave ya'll to find the last scum

VOTE: insomnia
Nice shooting!

And here I expected Day 3 to be a wrangle between lynching Insomnia or Burkenstock.

Insomnia, Leaf, Do either of you have anything to say?
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #104) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:07 pm

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There might be scum rolestoppers but I'm doubting that they have a lot of PRs. Town's already fighting the numbers with 4 scum. Never second guess the Mod though.

Insomnia was my preferred lynch for today before URAP's news and I don't see any reason to change my mind now.

The only way to get URAP and Leaf's Night 2 results is if both of them were blocked. Seems unlikely. Or URAP and I could both be scum but I'll visit that world where Insomnia, Leaf and I are all town first.

Vanilla Cop is a good fake-claim. It lets you do some role-fishing along the way.

Speaking of which, what did you get Night 1 off of Burkenstock?

And Leaf's soft guilty is lacking a vote which doesn't make it look like he believes it.
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #105) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:15 pm

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In post 1483, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s a soft guilty, and I had been claiming a PR all game

And Multitasking JOAT is a thing, i could have been rolestopped and jailed

Or Ura was jailed, and you’re scum.

Or Ura was jailed, and you were rolestopped.
In post 1484, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, you say I get some claims from that claim?

I claimed a result on Burken, and a No Result on you. What would that matter?
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #106) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:19 pm

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EBWOP
In post 1483, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s a soft guilty, and I had been claiming a PR all game

And Multitasking JOAT is a thing, i could have been rolestopped and jailed

Or Ura was jailed, and you’re scum.

Or Ura was jailed, and you were rolestopped.
There are a lot of ways it could have been mucked with. You and URAP2 on the same night seems unlikely though.
In post 1484, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, you say I get some claims from that claim?
You do if somebody professes innocence by roleclaiming.
I claimed a result on Burken, and a No Result on you. What would that matter?
What was the result on Burkenstock?
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #107) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:23 pm

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In post 1486, u r a person 2 wrote:if this game is 4 scum with 3 cop abilities and scum abilities to fuck up those results

that's not a normal game by any reasonable definition. It's basically let's roll the dice and see if it fucks town or scum
More likely town has/had some heavy PRs to make up for facing 4 scum. Scum might have a couple of light PRs, which might include a rolestopper or something similar but I'm thinking that a heavy scum PR or a lot of scum PRs is unlikely. We know that we have VTs so goons seem likely as balance.
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #108) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:28 pm

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Meh. Lynch Insomnia today. The flip will tell us something.

Leaf can try to read me again on Night 3. Should be interesting seeing as the three of us will be magnets for every PR out there.
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #109) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:34 pm

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In post 1495, Flavor Leaf wrote:ScumYou has to come at me because you have that soft guilty pressure on you.
TownMe will do the same. NAI.

Try rereading me Night 3. You'll be in your disloyal phase then so if I'm scum you'll get a read.
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #110) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:37 pm

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In post 1494, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1492, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1486, u r a person 2 wrote:if this game is 4 scum with 3 cop abilities and scum abilities to fuck up those results

that's not a normal game by any reasonable definition. It's basically let's roll the dice and see if it fucks town or scum
More likely town has/had some heavy PRs to make up for facing 4 scum. Scum might have a couple of light PRs, which might include a rolestopper or something similar but I'm thinking that a heavy scum PR or a lot of scum PRs is unlikely. We know that we have VTs so goons seem likely as balance.
So like one Multitasking JOAT.

URA could have just been blocked, and you’re just scum. I’m probably overthinking it.
Even one multitasking JOAT would be a pretty imbalanced PR seeing as we're already facing 4 scum. Could be but seems unlikely.
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #111) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:56 pm

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There are 9 living players: 3 scum and 6 town.

(1) Lynch Insomnia.
- If he flips green we're 3:4 MYLO and know that the rest of the results may well be tainted. At that point we have to rethink all the TPR results.
- If he flips red then we're 2:5 and we know that we have at least one untainted result from URAP2.

(2) If Insomnia flips red then we lynch Leaf.
- If he flips green the we're at 2:3 MYLO and know that some of the results are tainted.
- If he flips red then we're at 1:4 and we know his soft guilty is a lie. I could still be scum but that's a very interesting gambit that we have going.

(3) If Leaf flips green then we lynch me. It's unlikely that both Leaf and URAP2 got blocked on Night 2, so a town flip for Leaf makes the soft guilty on me a lot firmer.
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #112) » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:00 pm

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Very
Official
Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 3 . 1


Insomnia (3): L84Dnr (1447), URAPerson2 (1448), Flavor Leaf (1501)
L-2



--------------------------------------------------

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-06 12:00:00)


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Post Post #1512 (isolation #113) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:35 pm

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Hard-claim Town Watcher.

Soft-guilty Vedith, who was seen visiting URAP last night.


VOTE: Flavor Leaf

as per URAP's dying wished.
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #114) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:41 pm

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In post 859, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 855, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’d just like to bring up the mere fact that there is ZERO support for the L8 wagon, yet I’m not being targeted.
Don't you hate it when there are 8000 channels and there's nothing to
watch
?
I crumbed my role in post 859 above, emphasized in this quote to make it obvious. Nothing fancy but that's non-technical breadcrumbing for you. I hope.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #115) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:50 pm

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With 7 living it's only 4 to lynch, so Leaf's at L-2 now.

If I come down with a bad case of Night Kill please lynch Vedith tomorrow,
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Post Post #1518 (isolation #116) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:51 pm

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Make that L-1
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #117) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:54 pm

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Scum may have a powerful role, but we haven't seen evidence of it yet. Just a traitor and a goon.

Leaf's flip will shine some light on his soft-guilty on me and on how likely a strong scum PR is.

Important note: I did not observe anybody else skulking around URAP last night, just Vedith.
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #118) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:56 pm

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In post 1520, Vedith wrote:Who did you target night 1 to 3?
URAP Night 1 - No acivity
Chara Night 2 - No activity
URAP Night 3 - Vedith popped in during the night.
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #119) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:02 pm

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In post 1524, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1521, L84Dnr wrote:Scum may have a powerful role, but we haven't seen evidence of it yet. Just a traitor and a goon.

Leaf's flip will shine some light on his soft-guilty on me and on how likely a strong scum PR is.


Important note: I did not observe anybody else skulking around URAP last night, just Vedith.
This is a scum claim.

If my soft guilty “shines light” on him, then that indicates he’s seeing things from a scum perspective because tomorrow’s lylo.
Read what I wrote.

Your flip will shine light on your soft-guilty.
- If you flip red then it's BS and we can ignore it.
- If you flip green then we have to consider your soft-guilty in light of URAP's soft-guilty being tainted.
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #120) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 1527, Vedith wrote:
In post 1523, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1520, Vedith wrote:Who did you target night 1 to 3?
URAP Night 1 - No acivity
Chara Night 2 - No activity
URAP Night 3 - Vedith popped in during the night.
Why would you watch URA night 1? I don't recall you having a town read there, but I remember you thinking Pers was town?
URAP was on my town list and seemed like an obvious target. Still trying to figure why Creature bought it.

Persivul struck me as strong town but that went sidewase when Shiidaji replaced.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #121) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:06 pm

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In post 1529, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Dr Easy - I need you to unvote if you’re town.

L8/Vedith are likely the scum team and they’re setting up an end game path.
By soft-guiltying him today and calling for his lynch tomorrow?!? That's a damned odd play. :roll:
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #122) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:11 pm

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In post 1534, Vedith wrote: Okay that's fair.
I think you're town here so there's that.
If you're town then we have problems. I can see lots of reasons for every PR in the game visiting me, URAP and Leaf last night so I may have a false read.

I wasn't stopped, so if you didn't NK URAP then it was done invisibly.
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Post Post #1546 (isolation #123) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:14 pm

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In post 1537, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1531, Vedith wrote:
In post 1529, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Dr Easy - I need you to unvote if you’re town.

L8/Vedith are likely the scum team and they’re setting up an end game path.
Why would L8 call me out if we were Scum together? :lol:
Bus credit for an end game path.
If you flip green then this all goes sidewase and there's no bus to be on.
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Post Post #1547 (isolation #124) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:16 pm

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In post 1545, Vedith wrote:
In post 1543, Dr Easy Bake wrote:
In post 1541, Vedith wrote:
In post 1538, Dr Easy Bake wrote:UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf I definitely am town. He could just be claiming to read me as town because he knows I'm town, but idk what to think truthfully.
Why are you unvoting?
Because he did a good job of convincing me. I wanna see what the other three people in this game have to say before one of them swoops in for the hammer.
FL talks his way out of being Scum all the time. I'd prefer a speed lynch so he doesn't have the chance.
Yeah, he bragged about it.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #125) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:21 pm

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And if I was scum I'd choose a softer target then Vedith to soft-guilty. Burkenstock would be ideal but Bake or Flippy would both make easier mislynches than Vedith.
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #126) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:23 pm

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In post 1548, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1540, Vedith wrote:I have a valid reason to visit URA.
No way does L8 ever vote me here without a claim as town.
He doesn’t vote me here either.
Hell yes I do! You're soft-guiltied by a flipped town loyal neighborizer. URAPs info might be interfered with but it isn't a lie.
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #127) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:26 pm

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In post 1553, Vedith wrote:I'm just wondering why FL didn't automatically push me knowing I'm always an easy lynch.
I don't see L8 as Scum watcher here knowing what I know.

Pedit - you think I'm a hard lynch?
You're well up my town list, aside from my PR of course.
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #128) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:28 pm

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In post 1556, Vedith wrote:Why FL over me though?
Leaf's flip shines light on a lot of questions.
- His soft-guilty on me.
- If URAP's PR was messed with.
- If he's a scum PR.
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Post Post #1563 (isolation #129) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:30 pm

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In post 1558, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Bland Branch's claim seems too specific to be fake but it could also be too specific to be real. Not knowing what roles are out there is definitely something I'm not used to. Now with RAS' vote on him though coming so easily, it lessens his claim that Vedith and L8 are scum in my opinion.
I've got the suspicion that Leaf is a Vanilla Cop, just not a Town Vanilla Cop. Given the number of PRs that town has it'd be a great scum PR.
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #130) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:41 pm

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In post 1566, Vedith wrote:Mafia vanilla cop makes no sense here.
Why? Mafia Vanilla Cop would let you hunt town PRs, no?
In post 1567, Vedith wrote:Either Mafia have a RB/role cop (JOAT maybe?) Or a ninja/strongman
Ninja would render me worse than useless and is what I'm worried about. Hopefully that's Leaf's flip. JOAT could include that of course.

I wasn't blocked and I'd have seen a strongman.
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #131) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:19 pm

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In post 1590, Flavor Leaf wrote:The only way L8 is town here is if scum were able to stop both my shot and URA’s, which is possible lately with the roles, but if the case is going to be pushed against me, when occam’s Razor is just L8 is scum pushing it on me when the SAME argument can be made for him.

Which is hypocritical.
No.

The explanation that you're scum (and I'm not) requires only one assumption that we already know is in play. We know that there are scum and this scenario assumes that you're one of them. If you're scum then URAP's soft guilty on you is entirely accurate and your soft guilty on me is a fabrication.

The explanation that I'm scum (and you're not) requires the added assumption of the existence of some sort of scum PR for which we don't have evidence. You need that to explain away URAP's soft guilty on you.

I think that you just nicked yourself with Occam's Razor.
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Post Post #1595 (isolation #132) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:25 pm

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In post 1578, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m also Loyal/Disloyal, and L8 has no claimed modifiers. Look at setup, guys...-.-

He knew he was guiltied and he’s taking advantage of URA’s posts
No, I don't have any modifiers. It doesn't fit my PR.
- Disloyal Vig makes perfect sense given that you don't want your Vig killing townies.
- Loyal Neighborizer similarly makes sense given that you don't want scum in the neighborhood.
- Loyal Watcher just makes my PR into a clumsy and confusing Cop.
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #133) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:38 pm

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In post 1589, Flavor Leaf wrote:L8 is literally just painting a picture so he can get out of his soft guilty tomorrow.
This is hilarious coming from the guy who soft guiltied me to get out of being soft guiltied by URAP.
He brings up the killing me to see more of the setup potential, but killing him does the EXACT same thing.
Then why haven't you voted me? Lacks conviction.
I literally claimed my role in advanced. I was asking what technical breadcrumbing and what was different about that compared to normal crumbing. You can go back and see, because this is how I crumb.
Proves nothing. The second game that I played I drew scum and crumbed Cop in my first post.
URA targeted me, got roleblocked or I was rolestopped. If you don’t believe there’s a combination of that, then L8 is scum.
Nope, you can explain both URAP and your claims with the single, simple assumption that you're scum. It may be more complex than that but this is the simplest explanation.
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #134) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:52 pm

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In post 1602, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1594, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1590, Flavor Leaf wrote:The only way L8 is town here is if scum were able to stop both my shot and URA’s, which is possible lately with the roles, but if the case is going to be pushed against me, when occam’s Razor is just L8 is scum pushing it on me when the SAME argument can be made for him.

Which is hypocritical.
No.

The explanation that you're scum (and I'm not) requires only one assumption that we already know is in play. We know that there are scum and this scenario assumes that you're one of them. If you're scum then URAP's soft guilty on you is entirely accurate and your soft guilty on me is a fabrication.

The explanation that I'm scum (and you're not) requires the added assumption of the existence of some sort of scum PR for which we don't have evidence. You need that to explain away URAP's soft guilty on you.

I think that you just nicked yourself with Occam's Razor.
Completely false and blatant misrep.
How? You say that two things are equal. I say that they aren't.
I claimed soft guilty on you prior to even reading there was a soft guilty on me.
And we know this how?
There’s zero reason as scum for me to claim a soft guilty on you after a soft guilty on me.

Like, that’s just not a scum play.
Seriously? Pointing the guilt at somebody else isn't a scum play?!?
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #135) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:59 pm

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In post 1604, Flavor Leaf wrote:L8 didn’t even bring up Ascetic possibilities or anything, he just wanted to hop on and push the notion of “crazuto believe there’s 2 roles”

That looks like insider knowledge who knows there isn’t, and there’s just an Ascetic.
No, I didn't bring them up because you already had. I also didn't shoot them down. We might be dealing with a JOAT, ascetic, ninja, or any combination thereof. What we don't have is evidence of any of that. What we have is a simple explanation that sees Leaf eat hemp.
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #136) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:18 pm

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In post 1614, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1595, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1578, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m also Loyal/Disloyal, and L8 has no claimed modifiers. Look at setup, guys...-.-

He knew he was guiltied and he’s taking advantage of URA’s posts
No, I don't have any modifiers. It doesn't fit my PR.
- Disloyal Vig makes perfect sense given that you don't want your Vig killing townies.
- Loyal Neighborizer similarly makes sense given that you don't want scum in the neighborhood.
- Loyal Watcher just makes my PR into a clumsy and confusing Cop.
You’re claiming ungated full no modifier watcher? Lol.
Yup. Plain old boring town watcher is what I got. No modifiers, conditions or exceptions.
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #137) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:25 pm

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In post 1611, Flavor Leaf wrote:The fact you are even still considering TownVedith means you’re likely just scum.
Vedith and I as the scum team just makes no sense. I mean assume that I'm scum...
Day 1 I pass up a perfect opportunity to get in on the Wilky lynch. I ought to have been on that wagon.
Day 2 Ditto on TLK's lynch. Clearly I didn't learn from Day 1
Day 3 I bus Insomnia, who I've been riding from Day 1 despite having already high towncred?
Day 4 I incriminate my only remaining scum-buddy. Clearly I do not play well with others. I'm also a wasteful half-wit looking to loose this game.
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Post Post #1620 (isolation #138) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:28 pm

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In post 1618, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1617, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1614, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1595, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1578, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m also Loyal/Disloyal, and L8 has no claimed modifiers. Look at setup, guys...-.-

He knew he was guiltied and he’s taking advantage of URA’s posts
No, I don't have any modifiers. It doesn't fit my PR.
- Disloyal Vig makes perfect sense given that you don't want your Vig killing townies.
- Loyal Neighborizer similarly makes sense given that you don't want scum in the neighborhood.
- Loyal Watcher just makes my PR into a clumsy and confusing Cop.
You’re claiming ungated full no modifier watcher? Lol.
Yup. Plain old boring town watcher is what I got. No modifiers, conditions or exceptions.

You forgot Ascetic.
Yeah, I must be a complete eejit not to have made up a more convincing lie.
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #139) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:51 pm

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In post 1613, Flavor Leaf wrote:Your flip gives everything that my flip would, except your scum flip benefits town more and your town flip benefits town more.
Untrue.

If you flip green it proves a blocking role. URAP's soft guilty on you can't be explained any other way.
If I flip green then town's still left WIFOMing over whether you're scum or URAP was blocked.

If you flip red then your soft guilty on me is BS and I'm likely town and my soft guilty on Vedith is strengthened.
If I flip red then my soft guilty on Vedith is BS and he's likely town but you still have URAP's soft-guilty hanging around your neck.

Your lynch clears up a lot more questions.
What you are pushing essentially makes you the for sure lynch tomorrow in 5p lylo, and that’s why I don’t see you as town.
Assuming you flip green.
My flip directly will incriminate you, and you are pushing like you have to see me flip before you can fathom the roles like that, which is incredibly convenient for ScumYou.
I'm trying to see how getting myself lynched tomorow would be convenient for me as either alignment. Spell it out for me. Use small words.
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Post Post #1625 (isolation #140) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:57 pm

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In post 1621, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t actually think you’re scum with Vedith. I think there’s a chance Vedith is just letting us fight as scum so he gets both of us.

But ScumVedith probably calls you out on lying.

But I’m not actually doubting your watcher ability, it’s your alignment.
Interesting, because my gut instinct is that my result on Vedith was tampered with and that he's actually town. Is there nothing that we agree on?

Aside from my result what has he done that's been scummy?
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #141) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:08 pm

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In post 1624, Flavor Leaf wrote:So what you’re saying is you’re pushing a complete information lynch instead of pushing what should be from your perspective if you’re town a guilty on Vedith.

You get why I see my result as just a guilty on you, right?

Like you understand that?
Nope. We have 3 soft guilties: You, me, and Vedith.

Only one of those soft guilties is from a flipped townie, so we lynch that soft guilty. You might be scum so we don't lynch me. I might be scum so we don't lynch Vedith. URAP's soft guilty is backed by his flip so we lynch you.
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #142) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:18 pm

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UNVOTE:

But I do want to hear from everybody before we lynch you. Somebody else might have a PR that will bear fruit. It isn't like we don't have all day.
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Post Post #1650 (isolation #143) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:56 pm

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In post 1643, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1573, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1566, Vedith wrote:Mafia vanilla cop makes no sense here.
Why? Mafia Vanilla Cop would let you hunt town PRs, no?
In post 1567, Vedith wrote:Either Mafia have a RB/role cop (JOAT maybe?) Or a ninja/strongman
Ninja would render me worse than useless and is what I'm worried about. Hopefully that's Leaf's flip. JOAT could include that of course


I wasn't blocked and I'd have seen a strongman.
In post 1573, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1566, Vedith wrote:Mafia vanilla cop makes no sense here.
Why? Mafia Vanilla Cop would let you hunt town PRs, no?
In post 1567, Vedith wrote:Either Mafia have a RB/role cop (JOAT maybe?) Or a ninja/strongman
Ninja would render me worse than useless and is what I'm worried about. Hopefully that's Leaf's flip. JOAT could include that of course.

I wasn't blocked and I'd have seen a strongman.
In post 1625, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1621, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t actually think you’re scum with Vedith. I think there’s a chance Vedith is just letting us fight as scum so he gets both of us.

But ScumVedith probably calls you out on lying.

But I’m not actually doubting your watcher ability, it’s your alignment.
Interesting, because my gut instinct is that my result on Vedith was tampered with and that he's actually town. Is there nothing that we agree on?

Aside from my result what has he done that's been scummy?
So you said Ninja is what you’re most worried about, but your gut instinct was that Vedith was town? That’s not you worried about Ninja, that’s you expecting there to be a Ninja. If you were worried about there being a Ninja, you wouldn’t be clearing Vedith.
I'm not clearing Vedith. My gut says he's town but my PR says he's scum.

The PR's gave me a soft guilty. I'm simply acknowledging that my read may have been tampered with. Vedith may have popped in to say "Hi" to URAP last night for entirely innocent reasons and somebody (Ninja, Ascetic, etc...) that I can't track was responsible for the NK.

This is precisely the same line of reasoning that you've been using to infer JOATs, ascetics, blockers, stoppers, etc... so calling me for it is pretty damned odd.

Bottom line: We have soft guilties because we know that scum may have PRs that can mess with our results. The exact nature of those scum PRs isn't something that we can determine without further information, so speculating about what they might be isn't really getting us anywhere.
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Post Post #1651 (isolation #144) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:06 pm

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In post 1649, Flavor Leaf wrote:Actually, that would all give us an extra PR action too.

Scum would have to try and kill outside of the PR’s or give us the flip we want.
Hardly.

Assume that I'm town and scum NKs me. Now your soft guilty looks like a scum lie and my soft-guilty on Vedith is bolstered by my town flip. If either you or Vedith is also town then it's beautifully set up for a scum win.
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #145) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:11 pm

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In post 1648, Flavor Leaf wrote:There’s also the option of looking for the 2nd scum to open up the setup more, which highest reward we figure out if there is TvT potential/ninja potential/roleblocker potential,

But the risk is we just deal with the soft guilty triangle tomorrow
This shrieks of "Please lynch anybody but me!"
Lynch L8, he's scum.
Lynch Vedith, he's scum too.
Lynch outside the soft guilties because one of them is scum.

I have to give you credit for scum hunting though. FInding 5 scum in a 4 scum game is impressive work.
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #146) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:16 pm

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In post 1652, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m calling you out for pushing the ability that you are the one that is talking like there can’t be.
Blatant misrep. I said yesterday that scum PRs were a possibility. I said that I didn't think that a powerful scum PR was likely.
I am objectively town.
LAMIOT! :roll:
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #147) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:20 pm

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For the record, my vote has not gone far. I just don't want Leaf lolhammered until we've heard from everybody.
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Post Post #1663 (isolation #148) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:27 pm

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In post 1659, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1657, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1652, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m calling you out for
pushing the ability that you are the one that is talking like there can’t be.
Blatant misrep. I said yesterday that scum PRs were a possibility. I said that I didn't think that a powerful scum PR was likely.
I don’t see the misrep...? You’re saying it’s unlikely, at the point you aren’t even considering it.
The bit in
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is objectively untrue. I've been pretty clear that I'm open to the possibility of scum PRs. I don't think that a multi-tasking JOAT is likely because it'd be unbalanced seeing as how town is facing 4 scum, but as I said, never second guess the Mod. Lower powered scum PRs are entirely plausible.
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Post Post #1665 (isolation #149) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:31 pm

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In post 1662, Flavor Leaf wrote:You aren’t even looking for a teammate nor making any non informations mechanic push.
How do you know what I am and am not doing?
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #150) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:33 pm

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In post 1664, Flavor Leaf wrote:Okay, but now you’re getting hung up on it.
I mentioned it pages back. I wouldn't be talking about it now except you keep bringing it up.

Misrep on the misrep.
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Post Post #1671 (isolation #151) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:48 pm

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In post 1668, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1666, L84Dnr wrote:
In post 1664, Flavor Leaf wrote:Okay, but now you’re getting hung up on it.
I mentioned it pages back. I wouldn't be talking about it now except you keep bringing it up.

Misrep on the misrep.
False, this misrep calling is the misrep.

You were calling my statement untrue and a misrep, which is the actual misrep going on here.

I wasn’t wrong, you just found a loophole in the words and pushed it forward. That was the misrep.
OK, then you can quote the posts where I was "talking like there can’t be" scum PRs and show where I got "hung up" about them.

Quote it or eat it.
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #152) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:00 pm

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In post 1670, Flavor Leaf wrote:That’s called hatcheting
Critique of playstyle as defence. :roll: That's called flailing.
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Post Post #1676 (isolation #153) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:01 am

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In post 1674, Vedith wrote:Would a watcher/roleblocker(JOAT?)/goon/Traitor make sense here?
Given how strong town roles are maybe it's a good chance.

I'd favour a JOAT over an out right Roleblocker with rolecop and Roleblocker, plus full time watcher.

That would make sense with
PT cop
Vig
Vanilla cop
Me
Informed

All i know is there's confirmed Scum in L8 and FL unless a town Roleblocker comes to light.
As both URA and FL wouldn't have been blocked.

Right now, it feels more that L8 is trying to setup my lynch and given my modifier, I would have expected town watcher to be in line with it.
I'd really hope that a town roleblocker would have piped up by now.

Setting up your lynch would require me knowing your role and the modifiers. Possible, but as scum I'd find a simpler way to get you killed off. All those lies are a pain in the arse to keep straight.
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #154) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:27 am

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In post 1705, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, L8’s literally the only town player to not have some kind of modifier? He’s just scum.
My role alone should tell you that I'm town. Your argument is that I'm too gormless to include a modifier in a fake claim after I've already seen three claims with modifiers.

The only reason for not having a modifier is because I'm reporting my role honestly.
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Post Post #1714 (isolation #155) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:31 am

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In post 1709, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s a soft guilty.

Means that it’s supposed to look like a guilty, but is blocked by a roleblocker/Ascetic/rolestopper.

I have that same guilty on L8 that you’re choosing to not look into.

L8 has the same thing on Vedith.

It’s much much more than just that.
Here are the basics:
- We're going to lynch somebody today.
- We have 3 soft guilties to choose from.
- 2 of these soft guilties might have been produced by scum.
- We lynch the soft guilty produced by a flipped townie.
- Any of these soft guilties might have been tampered with by a scum PR, but we don't know which, if any.
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #156) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:33 am

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And with Flippy chiming in that's everybody. No further PR reveals to shed a little mud on this confusion.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #157) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:36 am

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In post 1677, Vedith wrote:Why would my role and modifier matter if you're scum watcher?
I expect that they'd matter if I was trying to set you up.
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #158) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:42 am

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In post 1712, Emperor flippyNips wrote:How many prs can be in a game?
The only restriction that I can see for Normal games is that there must be at least one VT, which we've seen flip.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #159) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:44 am

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:lol: I guess that isn't the scum flip that'll clear you today.
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #160) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:45 am

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Thanx Leaf. It was fun!
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #161) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:56 am

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Good luck in the night everybody!

Look through Leaf's associatives if I catch a bad case of NK. He babbles like a tree full of monkeys so look at who he isn't talking to. Creature and Insomnia too. We have 3 scum now so that should be a fair number of tells.
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #162) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:35 pm

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Good game everybody.

Very clean scum game Vedith. I had no inkling that you were scum until the PRs gave you away. I think that if Leaf had NKed URAP instead of you we'd have likely mislynched DEB today. Either way it went down to LYLO, which is a good game by my standards.
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