Open 754: Fire and Ice (Game Over) Fire Mafia wins.

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VOTE: Allo
Pretty sure he's Scum here.

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Any votes outside of Allo is a Scum claim btw.

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touché

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Hi friend Worm!
Are you a good work today or a bad worm!?

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Good worm. Not good work

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I am very excited for this game and happy thank you for asking!

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I am bad town! But I can tell you now I am neither or or cold. I am perfect temperature \o/

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I claim good town then.
I'm helping \o/

So far we have
Town
Me
Worm
Allo

Scum
Allo

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So that's 4 in the Town block. Next person to post can be 5th and I think w win.

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I don't get it? Why can't you just vote then go V/LA?

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Don't tell Brass but I didn't read the rules.

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Notice Allos Scum buddies trying to derail to momentum on his wagon?

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Oh no what a town slip I just did!
Okay as confirmed IC I'm going to set a few ground rules.

No voting me
No voting Worm
No voting where I'm not

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Here comes the rebellion.
I knew this day would happen :<

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Should I claim?

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We could just lynch Pintu \o/

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Why not nice playing again with me? :<

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Pintu town \o/

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Eyes is town.
\o/

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Ofrhz is town
\o/

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Busy today.
Catch up tomorrow

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cuz he's not scummy

Allo actually rolled Scum.

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Worthless questions.
Let's just lynch Allo and move on

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I wasn't talking to you.

Vote roster if you want to win.

Sell it. Because right now I'm voting Scum.

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I'm always right. \o/

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Because we need to lynch Scum, Allo :<

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Well I have you as town if that helps.

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Grand is probably town there too.
I'm as confident as I am tall.

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Pintu maybe but I want more.

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Because we need to lynch Scum, Allo :<

so why would you lynch me instead?

Give me a Scum name then!

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Yes!
Because now if I'm Scum Im killing you tonight no take backsies

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Allo still self voting and just doing nothing is a huge Scum tell.
Vote with me my young ones.

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Then vote Allo \o/

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Dr Worm is my best friend

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Yay \o/

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Maybe I've just bee in too many larger sized games lately but the speed of this game is really slow for such a fun setup.

I want to say it's because Scum don't want to over interact with the players here.

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Springtrap might be Scum with that said.
But I'd only really think that on an Allo Scum flip.

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If youre town Rooster i want you to vote Allo in your next post.
If you're Scum, then tell me I'm great \o/

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I'll take it.
That might be L1 I'll check.

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Yeah you're at L1 Allo.
Claim or be hammered.

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Ah but am I town or scum?

Probably town.

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I think Rui looks very town too.

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Do you wanna get a whole page to yourself?

The timing of this post I don't see why Scum interrupt someone posting spam like this considering it's only drawing attention away from an easy push or suspicion.

Also with eyes, scum don't want to draw over excessive attention regardless if it appears town or not.

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Do you really believe that Allo thought he was L1?

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Pintu claiming Scum there I think though.
That's a shame.

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Well that just shows the state of the game then which is pretty tragic.

I don't believe it though.
If Scum were more aware there would they not fake claim VT for credit knowing that it's not L1?

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Yes, I was expecting that too from a town Allo.

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Why not?
As Eyes said, there's nothing else to claim this game.

Look at what Allo has done this game

Self vote joke
Nothing
Nothing
Nothing
Unvoted
Nothing
Claimed

Allo is a player that throws round suspicion. Decides who looks scummy early on and goes with me.
Not here.

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For town credit?
I don't know but I don't like him as town.

The way I see it now, we have a VT claim.
Allo never claims VT as doc there so we either lose a VT or get Scum (most likely) with this lynch.

So if we lynch Scum here it forced the single Scum to look for other Scum.
If we lynch a town then it forces both Scum teams to look for Scum.

Allo is giving 0 effort or content into the game.
Mechanically and read wise this is the best lynch.

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I've seen the card try to be played of "I didn't realise that L1 was fake"
Would Allo do it directly?
Maybe not, that I'm not sure on.

I know what you are saying here, but the way Allo has gone about it makes no sense compared to other games I've been in with him.
The self vote I accepted as a joke, but to remain on himself until today?

Maybe I should give benefit of the doubt here and just leave it as busy.
I don't really know at this stage, I'd like more to be happening in the game to be able to get better Scum reads.

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Meh it feels like you have.

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i love are you guys are basing your reads off of the idea that i'm putting any effort into this game whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, its a towny thing to do. its just extrodinarially dumb

Then do something and tell me a better target to lynch.

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Why are you asking this to a guy you've been trying to lynch so bad you forgot how to count? VO: Or did you?

You have a better target and his name is rosterfoster.

If you're not interested in what your Scum target has to say youre not Scum hunting.

And no, Rooster is most likely town.
I'm sure you can explain and change my mind. Go for it.

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So you think Allo is...?

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So you think Allo is...?

I answered this in 168 and haven't budged.

How about addressing my point? Was this an intentional ploy or did you run out of fingers?

Your 'point' was already already answered by me before you even said it.
Given how little has been posted since then I'll just assume you're just trying to look for content?

Was that all from your catch up? Or can I expect more?

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Eyes is town.

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Right now Scum are most likely all among Allo BEF worm springtrap maad and Grand.
As it stands I don't lynch outside if these 5.

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Oh yeah \o/

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But you also duped everyone else who wasn't paying attention into believing he was actually at L-1, effectively pre-empting an actual lynch. Was this your plan all along and what do you think you accomplished?

The reactions I got from it accomplished enough.
It played a part in who I think is Scum.

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I'm going to take the silence as a no

I think people most likely to be scum with Allo are in {Springtrap, BEF, maad}

I do think scum are unlikely to bus in this setup, but BEF didn't really have any choice given that he was run up himself.

Ofrhz would have been Scum hunting so BEF and Maad I don't see as Scum buddy at all.

VOTE: BrightEyedFisy

Pintu, Eyes and Rooster still town for me.

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I've played this setup enough and seen Orfhz enough to know they were Scum hunting as Scum here.
The reads are genuine imo.

If you're not Scum, who do you think is?

Yesterday the wagons were all between you Rooster and Allo.

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VADETH what does YOUR HEART say to you about GRANDEWIZZLE??

I hear it thud and go "scum, scum, scum!"

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Talk me about maadveet and EWAF, whoever wants to

Yes?

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Maad.

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Dr Worm is VADETHS best friend \o/

Really need people to pick up posting more this day phase though.

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Do you want me to be backup mod?

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Yeah we all are \o/

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Vedith, shouldn't we be looking for the second ice mafia instead of the people they were scumreading?

I'm not against lynching the second Scum but with 2 Scum teams alive they are forced to scum hunt and kill each other.
Lynching the second Scum just means the other Scum team need to look town.

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Do you think Maad flips Scum more often than BEF?
If so I'll vote here if you think so.

If it's from BEF posting who is Orfhz partner, it feels like it's something that could have been discussed between BEF and their buddy already. Not to mention that they are looking for the second ice Scum rather than Scum as a whole.

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Vedith, be good town and tell me why BEF is scum. I'm not being condescending or anything here, I just want to here your points 'cause I don't remember them.

I get Scum vibes from them.
And I think that Orfhz thought Scum there regardless knowing the type of player Orfhz is.
But I'm okay with lynching Maad over BEF

VOTE: Maad

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Forgot to say: true that BEF seems to be looking for the ice scum instead of scum as a whole, but his point on ofrhz' partner is maybe the best thing he has on scum so ice scum>no scum.

Okay I like this post a lot.

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UNVOTE: Maad

I'm thinking GrandWazoo then.
Then RuiRui or BEF as other

Ceej as Orhfz buddy.

VOTE: Grand

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Eyes, Rooster, Maad (if not CC), Pintu and Worm town.

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Actually, at this stage it makes sense to remove a night kill since I'm confident in the town section.
If I'm wrong on a town, it's worm, but I don't think so.

VOTE: Ceej

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UNVOTE: Ceej

I want to think first.

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Why aren't you?

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What makes sense on their posts?
All i remember is them pushing Rooster as Scum, then happy to lynch Allo.

Do you think Rooster is Scum then?
And if not where should I be voting if not Grand?

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All I remember is you pushing the Allowagon from P1 right into a mislynch. \O/

Okay, so who should I be voting over you?

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I'm not sure about that.
The only part I like from their ISO is where they turn down Maads wagon because of an NAI read.

Other than that, I'm not getting town.

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Also I was thinking about Orfhz. When we were Scum in donner party they distanced from me.
Same with Elsa and Orfhz, they distanced or just ignored.

I think that if Ceej is Scum they are from the team of 2.

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So with Orfhz
They talk to or about, me, grand, Pintu, ceej, BEF, maad
Town on Pintu and Ceej
Shade on me and grand
Scum on BEF and Maad.

I don't think any of these names are teamed with Orfhz

That leaves eyes worm ruirui rooster.

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If we lynch in the fire mafia then that means both Scum win for town.
So Rooster is correct here, just wrong target.

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I like anime XD

\o/

ceejay feels town

And I was just beginning to like you. Sigh.

What I understood here is that she explained that my friendliness/agreeableness was fake and that's why she has a bad feeling over my posts.

That's hardly a case.

Pedit. Shhh I'm trying

If you were beginning to like me then why have you had your vote parked on me since your 1st post?

This defense from you just adds to my thoughts on the you/rui team idea.

I don't like this

VOTE: BEF

Ruirui why did you find these 4 particular posts town?

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What? I don't get the "if we lynch in the fire mafia" thing you said

If we kill fire mafia that means we have 2 teams of 1 Scum. They need the fire power and to keep each other alive.

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I'm sorry Vedith I swear I know I'm the dumb here but could you explain it with context and everything? I really don't get it

Right now we are
7 v 2 v 1

A lynch on town is
6 v 2 v 1
Fire mafia aim for town, ice mafia aim for fire
Making it 5 v 1 v 1

Lynch on ice mafia is
7 v 2
Fire mafia aim for town
Making it 6 v 2

Lynch on fire mafia is
7 v 1 v 1
Fire mafia aims for town and ice mafia aims for town
Making it 5 v 1 v 1

Remove the second kill not only removes a chance for 2 town deaths but it makes it like a micro game starting at night 0, except we have more information.

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I don't think any of these names are teamed with Orfhz

Distancing would be more shade though (just not a fulll-blown scumread)? I believe you're town so that would put GW as a possible partner from that perspective also.

I think Orfhz is more likely to not make much of a read on a partner.
The shade on me in donner party was mainly because I tried to force out interactions.

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I think Ruirui might be ice Scum.
Grand, Ceej and BEF as fire? Well, 2 of them.

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I have a counterpoint tho: if we kill the second ice climber today, the fire nation will absolutely attack the doc. If we focus on a fire scum today, there's a chance of the doc surviving since if both scumteams target the doc, the doc survives, so maybe they won't bother killing maad.

I forgot that this mechanic existed.
That's actually a really good point and gives town a high chance of a confirmed town tomorrow.

Okay scrap what I said Pintu is right.

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VOTE: Grand

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Both can be Scum.
Worm just is less likely.

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Hello, I think you're town

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Good, who's scum for you?

Scum is in Grand/BEF/RuiRui and maybe Ceej although I like them better as town now.
RuiRui is highly likely to be Ice mafia so I'd lynch Grand or BEF today. Given that PPintu thinks BEF has some town tell I',m preferable for Grand.

And yes, I think Fire mafia want the ice mafia killed today to prevent them having the night kill.

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Also, we're making history here, Insomnia. \o/

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I meant because we're finally town together.
But sure, give all the scum names \o/

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It's mainly gut and the fact me and Pintu are mind melding for majority of things.

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Then we're on the same page.

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We still have 3 days, and the game has been really slow paced anyway so wait away. \o/

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Mod is 4th top poster and the second top poster was replaced with you, it's one of those games.

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Any input to what's been said?

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Worm \o/

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Thanks for modding Brass.
Good work there Rooster \o/

Town, ice mafia you are all beautiful. The lack of content really hindered town though.

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I sent them a letter, being British and all.