Open 754: Fire and Ice (Game Over) Fire Mafia wins.

[BrightEyedFish]

I am good trown too.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Pinturicchio

For being the only one who hasn't confirmed. That's not good town in my book.

[BrightEyedFish]

BIGHTEYFISH if YOU are VLA go read rule 11 and I CALL DIBS!!

VLA was only until tomorrow so I just cleared it.

Sorry Wormy, but if I go VLA again you get my proxy.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't get it? Why can't you just vote then go V/LA?

I don't think the proxy is mandatory but is an option if you wish to use it during VLA.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BrightEyedFish is Dr Worm good town to you?

I think so.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

Are you a townie? You seem reasonable enough and yet I'm getting bad feelings about you

That's all you got about ceejay? Why bad feelings?

[BrightEyedFish]

friendly/agreeable

Everyone has pretty much been "friendly/agreeable" so far. It looks like you trying to hard...

VOTE: RuiRui

[BrightEyedFish]

friendly/agreeable

Everyone has pretty much been "friendly/agreeable" so far. It looks like you trying to hard...

VOTE: RuiRui

Uh what did she try exactly?

uh... she is trying to build a case on you, did you not read?

YOOHOO, I think we got one of the scum teams. ceejayvinoya/RuiRui anyone?

[BrightEyedFish]

And I was just beginning to like you. Sigh.

What I understood here is that she explained that my friendliness/agreeableness was fake and that's why she has a bad feeling over my posts.

That's hardly a case.

Pedit. Shhh I'm trying

If you were beginning to like me then why have you had your vote parked on me since your 1st post?

This defense from you just adds to my thoughts on the you/rui team idea.

[BrightEyedFish]

I am going to vote roster not because of a solid scumread but because this game needs to get going so maybe we build a little pressure and gain some momentum.

VOTE: rosterfoster

Now, watch this post be my doom.

[BrightEyedFish]

Saying you're voting for pressure defeats the point, it doesn't add pressure, it just makes it look like you're posturing

If you want to get the game moving, this doesn't seem to be the way to do so. I like the idea of finding the town and lynching outside of that, though ultimately we'll still need a lead to know where to start lynching

I don't think hunting for a team of 2 is a good strategy, it makes too many assumptions, I think it's more effective to work on finding 1 scum and then work on finding their partner next to slow down the kills per night, and then switch to the next faction

Yeah you're town. So tell me what you think about finding one scum?

What do you mean, like how would we find the first scum? There's no special strategy in this setup... just scumhunt like a regular game until the first scum flips

Ok. That's great and all but what are you doing to "find town" or to get the game moving along besides telling me constantly that my strategy is wrong?

[BrightEyedFish]

I am going to vote roster not because of a solid scumread but because this game needs to get going so maybe we build a little pressure and gain some momentum.

VOTE: rosterfoster

Now, watch this post be my doom.

Worsevote.

VOTE: Grandwazoo

Why is my vote a bad vote?

[BrightEyedFish]

‘I do not think this is scum but I am going to vote for it anyway’

True?

That’s not how you inject something into the game.

So you think an OMGUS vote is a better way to inject something into the game.?

[BrightEyedFish]

This isn’t an OMGUS vote.

The first one was a mistake (you have similar avatars).

It sure seems like you are voting me because I voted you.

[BrightEyedFish]

roster's vote on BEF is more valid than BEF's vote on roster, seeing that BEF's vote was just a "pressure" vote and roster's vote is him calling out BEF for voting without good reason.

It was a pressure vote and a vote to get things moving along. And it seemed to get things moving along.

I knew that it would make me an easy target and I expected a wagon to form, a sort of scum bait if you will...

That being said I guess I would rather sacrifice myself in the name of progress the game than being tortured trying to be active in a stagnant game.

[BrightEyedFish]

@roster

How many of the 8 people currently voting me and Allo do you think are scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

That puts me at L-2.
I'll go ahead and claim since I know the L-1 will be here soon enough. I'm VT.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Allomancer

That puts Allo also at L-2. I am having trouble locking Allo as town or scum but it looks like it's either me or Allo for the lynch today.

[BrightEyedFish]

Both are lazy wagons, but both could flip scum. BEF, wanna work together or are you kinda defeated and/or not invested enough to avoid your lynch?

Of course I want to avoid my lynch. What were you thinking?

[BrightEyedFish]

I wasn't trying to play 4D Chess or anything but after I made post 162, I thought this would be a good post for scum to get a wagon going. A vote on me after that post would not bring too much attention since the post was moderately scummy scum could feel safe jumping in early. That's why I think there is at least 1 scum in the first few votes on my wagon, ofr, roster and ceejay.

That's where my head is at right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm going to take the silence as a no

I think people most likely to be scum with Allo are in {Springtrap, BEF, maad}

I do think scum are unlikely to bus in this setup, but BEF didn't really have any choice given that he was run up himself.

Ofrhz would have been Scum hunting so BEF and Maad I don't see as Scum buddy at all.

VOTE: BrightEyedFisy

Pintu, Eyes and Rooster still town for me.

Why are using scum's post to justify voting me?

[BrightEyedFish]

ceejay feels town

And I was just beginning to like you. Sigh.

What I understood here is that she explained that my friendliness/agreeableness was fake and that's why she has a bad feeling over my posts.

That's hardly a case.

Pedit. Shhh I'm trying

If you were beginning to like me then why have you had your vote parked on me since your 1st post?

This defense from you just adds to my thoughts on the you/rui team idea.

I don't like this

VOTE: BEF

I'd like to vote bef.

Maadneet also not a bad idea.

You were basically voting me for the entire D1, so why aren't you voting me now? Perhaps your partner is dead and you have no one to follow anymore like you were clearly doing on D1.

I think there could be a case built on ceejay being ofhrz's partner.

VOTE: ceejay

[BrightEyedFish]

See no downside to this.

VOTE: BrightEyeFish

I don't see anything from maad, town or scum. Literally 3 posts. I hate lurkers as much as anyone but I see no point in pushing one rn.

I hate that there are two players with Eyes in their name. Confusing. Face is totes scummier. Pintu's 266 echoes my feelings.

VOTE: EyesWithoutaFace

These are grandwazoo's last 2 posts. He switched from me to eyes when eyes hasn't even posted D2 because eyes is "totes scummier".
I don't know if this is scum behavior or just someone not giving 2 shits about the game. Either way, I don;t think it's good for town.

WRT maad, I don't like the lack of posting but he is on VLA until the 27th so I think we should at least give him until then a chance to contribute something.

VOTE: GrandWazoo

[BrightEyedFish]

@maadneet

What are your thoughts on Wazoo?

[BrightEyedFish]

See no downside to this.

VOTE: BrightEyeFish

I don't see anything from maad, town or scum. Literally 3 posts. I hate lurkers as much as anyone but I see no point in pushing one rn.

I hate that there are two players with Eyes in their name. Confusing

. Face is totes scummier. Pintu's 266 echoes my feelings.

VOTE: EyesWithoutaFace

These are grandwazoo's last 2 posts. He switched from me to eyes when eyes hasn't even posted D2 because eyes is "totes scummier".
I don't know if this is scum behavior or just someone not giving 2 shits about the game. Either way, I don;t think it's good for town.

I literally explained this before I voted.

I didn't mention your explanation because its cheap and meaningless. Exactly something scum would use to justify a vote.

[BrightEyedFish]

What makes sense on their posts?
All i remember is them pushing Rooster as Scum, then happy to lynch Allo.

All I remember is you pushing the Allowagon from P1 right into a mislynch. \O/

Do you think Vedith is scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

G This contrasts with BEF who I feel to be fake-trying.

I'm not "fake-trying" I am just trying to get some reads. This game is progressing fairly slow and the best way to get reads is pressuring and VCA's at this point.

[BrightEyedFish]

Brassherald thought about how, despite only having one sibling, he is still somehow the middle child.

Votecount 1.FINAL

Allomancer (7)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo, BrightEyedFish, rosterfoster,Pinturicchio

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet, Springtrap

Ceejayvinoya(1)~

RuiRui

Eyes Without a Face (1)~

Allomancer

A lynch has been achieved.

Mod Notes:

RuiRui will need to pick up the prod by PM within 24 hours of the mod to prevent replacement

Ooooh amaziiing

Ooooh what exactly does tha vca tell us master BEF?

Do you expect scum to be on the Allo wagon? I think we should lynch within that wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

There are 7 people on that wagon. Of course scum might be there.

You can join us on lynching GrandWazoo. He was on the Allo wagon

I'm already on that wagon...

[BrightEyedFish]

I think there have been more posts in the last hour than the last week.

[BrightEyedFish]

Any input to what's been said?

You're wrong about me.

I am still happy with the GW votes right now. But I also SR rui and roster.

[BrightEyedFish]

Any reason on roster scum? or is it more of an omgus

Maybe a little OMGUS thrown in there but my SR on roster is more of a vibe/gut read.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think I’m already voting BEF. If not,

VOTE: BEF

Looks like someone doesn't want their partner (GW) to get lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

I've changed my mind on BrightEyedFish, he seems to be playing sides here in an opportunistic way..

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

What side am I playing?

[BrightEyedFish]

I was already voting you.

You were on ceejay according to the VC on the post directly before you voted me.

[BrightEyedFish]

I was already voting you.

You were on ceejay according to the VC on the post directly before you voted me.

[BrightEyedFish]

And way to tackle the unimportant question to try to deflect the argument.

What is the argument against me? If its that I'm just being scummy then can you explain how I'm being scummy.

[BrightEyedFish]

Actually, at this stage it makes sense to remove a night kill since I'm confident in the town section.
If I'm wrong on a town, it's worm, but I don't think so.

VOTE: Ceej

UNVOTE: Ceej

I want to think first.

I agree with pintu on basically everything.

Yeah, this looks bad for ceejay.
Roster, rui, and worm should also be up for discussion.

[BrightEyedFish]

I will get caught up later today. Got busy yesterday but I will have a decent amount of time later today.

[BrightEyedFish]

Brassherald thought about how, despite only having one sibling, he is still somehow the middle child.

Votecount 1.FINAL

Allomancer (7)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo, BrightEyedFish, rosterfoster,Pinturicchio

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet, Springtrap

Ceejayvinoya(1)~

RuiRui

Eyes Without a Face (1)~

Allomancer

A lynch has been achieved.

Mod Notes:

RuiRui will need to pick up the prod by PM within 24 hours of the mod to prevent replacement

And then everyone died... Actually, no.

Votecount 900000

GrandWazoo (6)~

BrightEyedFish, Pinturicchio, Ceejayvinoya, Vedith, insomnia, Rosterfoster

Insomnia (1)~

GrandWazooo

maadneet (1)~

Dr Worm

BrightEyedFish (1)~

RuiRui

Not Voting (1)~

maadneet

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Mod Notes:

Grandwazoo has died, this game is now flipless.

So flipless now.... Great....

The only people still alive on both wagons are:
Me, pintu, insomnia, and roster

I think roster has the best potential to flip red from that list:

VOTE: Roster

Anyone finding anything else out through the VCA?

[BrightEyedFish]

Ohh so it's not flip less... Great

[BrightEyedFish]

I’m at school, I’ve been skimming and I do think ceejay / dr worm is red

I’m suspecting ice maf is more of a lurker and not contributing with anything

Pintu still town, I still am suspicious of BEF flipping red because of him leading the wagon and Vedith jumped on it

I’d argue today’s lynch will be between ceejay / BEF , Vedith had BEF as a scum read but he didn’t push him, instead he pushed with him

These are my current thoughts, I’ll get to game solving with pintucheerios so he isn’t lonely

I’ll be really active in like 6 hours

Worm lead GW wagon, he just jumped off after it picked up steam.
Vedith knew that GW would flip green so he really didn't care how he got lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

Roster

Join me on Roster....

wait, am I really the only player voting so far today???

[BrightEyedFish]

Why isn't anyone joining me and pintu on roster.

[BrightEyedFish]

Is this real life? There is not a chance in hell Succinct makes these "connections" unless he started off with the sole purpose of his mission to find a connection. This is cookie form redirection here.


VOTE: Succinct

[BrightEyedFish]

I believe roster and most likely Succinct to be the remaining scum here.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Roster

I'm sticking with roster... I got a little OMGUS there for a second... Still hate Succinct forced theory though.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF if you just replaced into this game and saw two scum flips, one for each team, wouldn't you look for "connections" too?

Yeah I would look for connections or course, but this connection is from another planet.

[BrightEyedFish]

But why? You're not really addressing the point.

What point? Succinct's VCA is basically identical to mine except he landed on me and I landed on roster. No way anyone lands on me through that connection unless they have some preconceived notion that they WANT to connect.

Read dead people's ISO, there is good info there. What dead town player was "threatening to me?" Because scum of course would be threatening to me so using that as a connection is just wah wah wah.

[BrightEyedFish]

That the two fire kills were scumreading you?

You think I killed ruirui becasue I was "threatened" by him. He was barely active... And ofrhz WHO WAS SCUM was after me? That makes me scum?

Vedith was gunning for my lynch and he turned out to be fire so that would make us partners according to succinct... nice try...

[BrightEyedFish]

Why am I arguing with you anyways... At this time its me v you for the lynch today. Of course I want you lynched and you want me lynched...
We will just have to let the others decide.

[BrightEyedFish]

I wasn't trying to play 4D Chess or anything but after I made post 162, I thought this would be a good post for scum to get a wagon going. A vote on me after that post would not bring too much attention since the post was moderately scummy scum could feel safe jumping in early. That's why I think there is at least 1 scum in the first few votes on my wagon, ofr, roster and ceejay.

That's where my head is at right now.

If I am lynched look remember this... I was right on ofr and I am pretty sure I am right about roster...

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh you think Succint / roster

I am far more certain on Roster than I am on succ.

[BrightEyedFish]

Vedith was spearheading the Vedith wagon from his first post onward...

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean the Allo wagon

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF if you just replaced into this game and saw two scum flips, one for each team, wouldn't you look for "connections" too?

Precisely. I isoed the mod once I saw those flips in OP, and BEF = Fire was my first conclusion.

I

favor

roster as Ice, but have no hard evidence backing this guess.

What dead town player was "threatening to me?" Because scum of course would be threatening to me so using that as a connection is just wah wah wah.

This is multiball. Scum flipping doesn't clear you of killing them; quite the opposite.

You think I killed ruirui becasue I was "threatened" by him. He was barely active... And ofrhz WHO WAS SCUM was after me? That makes me scum?

And how would Fire-scum know ofrhz was Ice?

They wouldn't.

Vedith was gunning for my lynch and he turned out to be fire so that would make us partners according to succinct... nice try...

Beg your pardon but I saw zero evidence of that. I

do

see evidence of the contrary,

But Vedith was quite successful in directing the lynch away from you, no?

This. I reference,

Allomancer (4)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, rosterfoster, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet

During the peak of the BEF wagon, Vedith spearheaded the counterwagon on Allomancer. And not long after,

Allomancer (7)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo, BrightEyedFish, rosterfoster,Pinturicchio

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet, Springtrap

Allomancer was lynched in part from Vedith's push.

I do acknowledge Vedith briefly voted BEF, but that vote was IMMEDIATELY removed, never to return.

Your are right that fire wouldn't know ofr was ice but you are building your case on me that concludes I am Fire and thst I KNEW ofr was Ice scum....

Don't you see your contradictions?

[BrightEyedFish]

Right now Scum are most likely all among Allo BEF worm springtrap maad and Grand.
As it stands I don't lynch outside if these 5.

I'm going to take the silence as a no

I think people most likely to be scum with Allo are in {Springtrap, BEF, maad}

I do think scum are unlikely to bus in this setup, but BEF didn't really have any choice given that he was run up himself.

Ofrhz would have been Scum hunting so BEF and Maad I don't see as Scum buddy at all.

VOTE: BrightEyedFisy

Pintu, Eyes and Rooster still town for me.

Do you think Maad flips Scum more often than BEF?
If so I'll vote here if you think so.

If it's from BEF posting who is Orfhz partner, it feels like it's something that could have been discussed between BEF and their buddy already. Not to mention that they are looking for the second ice Scum rather than Scum as a whole.

I think Ruirui might be ice Scum.
Grand, Ceej and BEF as fire? Well, 2 of them.

Good, who's scum for you?

Scum is in Grand/BEF/RuiRui and maybe Ceej although I like them better as town now.
RuiRui is highly likely to be Ice mafia so I'd lynch Grand or BEF today. Given that PPintu thinks BEF has some town tell I',m preferable for Grand.

And yes, I think Fire mafia want the ice mafia killed today to prevent them having the night kill.

And here are quotes from Vedith where he is pushing for me to be lynched...

Are you just flat out lying or creating a line that fits with your read on me?

[BrightEyedFish]

So there are also two different wagons I saw that dissolved before end of day:

One of their numbers had vanished

Votecount 1.4

rosterfoster (5)~

GrandWazoo, Eyes Without A Face, Springtrap, Ceejayvinoya, BrightEyedFish

Ceejayvinoya(3)~

Pinturicchio, RuiRui, rosterfoster

Allomancer (2)~

Vedith, Allomancer

BrightEyedFish (1)~

ofrhz

Vedith (1)~

Clemency

Not Voting (1)~

‪Dr Worm

D1, rosterfoster wagon.

A cake was brought out for them to eat, the council members were puzzled.

Votecount 2.3

maadneet (3)~

Pinturicchio, Vedith, Ceejayvinoya

GrandWazoo (2)~

Dr Worm, BrightEyedFish

BrightEyedFish (1)~

Rosterfoster

Eyes Without a Face (1)~

GrandWazooo

Not Voting (3)~

RuiRui, maadneet, Eyes Without A Face

Votecount 2.4

maadneet (4)~

Pinturicchio, Ceejayvinoya, Dr Worm, RuiRui

GrandWazoo (1)~

BrightEyedFish

BrightEyedFish (1)~

Rosterfoster

Eyes Without a Face (1)~

GrandWazooo

Not Voting (3)~

maadneet, Eyes Without A Face, Vedith

D2, my wagon.

So D1 wagons we have roster, Allo, BEF; D2 was me and Grand, mostly.

My reads seem to line up with insomnia's, BEF as fire scum, ceejay as ice. Will hammer BEF in 24hr unless someone convinces me otherwise.

Does the fact that there is no flipped scum on the roster wagon tell you anything?

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF if you just replaced into this game and saw two scum flips, one for each team, wouldn't you look for "connections" too?

Precisely. I isoed the mod once I saw those flips in OP, and BEF = Fire was my first conclusion.

I

favor

roster as Ice, but have no hard evidence backing this guess.

What dead town player was "threatening to me?" Because scum of course would be threatening to me so using that as a connection is just wah wah wah.

This is multiball. Scum flipping doesn't clear you of killing them; quite the opposite.

You think I killed ruirui becasue I was "threatened" by him. He was barely active... And ofrhz WHO WAS SCUM was after me? That makes me scum?

And how would Fire-scum know ofrhz was Ice?

They wouldn't.

Vedith was gunning for my lynch and he turned out to be fire so that would make us partners according to succinct... nice try...

Beg your pardon but I saw zero evidence of that. I

do

see evidence of the contrary,

But Vedith was quite successful in directing the lynch away from you, no?

This. I reference,

Allomancer (4)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, rosterfoster, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet

During the peak of the BEF wagon, Vedith spearheaded the counterwagon on Allomancer. And not long after,

Allomancer (7)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo, BrightEyedFish, rosterfoster,Pinturicchio

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet, Springtrap

Allomancer was lynched in part from Vedith's push.

I do acknowledge Vedith briefly voted BEF, but that vote was IMMEDIATELY removed, never to return.

You say that you have no hard evidence that roster is scum so you aren't voting there.

But you also have no HARD evidence on me other that speculation that is truly false.

I think you and roster are the remaining scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Thanks for modding Brass!

Good job Fire Scum!