Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

[JohnnyEnglish]

Greetings!

Johnny English, M16 agent, reporting for duty.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Do you love me

Of course! Who wouldn't love such an adorable seal? Fuzzy-wuzzy

[JohnnyEnglish]

Players who I believe have an extremely high probability of being town:

mbaki
Reality Check
GuiltyLion
Brigette
implosion
Michael Scott

I think Varsoon is scum.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I think it's Varsoon and Parmigiano, +1. Probably Alonzo.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I'm a little bit concerned with Implosion's lack of engagement with me while continuously calling me scum.

Johnny, talk to me more about Varsoon being scum?

Everyone else seems town. Varsoon seems to be falling off the bus.

Call it a spy's sixth sense, if you will. I've got my eye on him.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I take back the Parmigiano read. Varsoon and Parm had interactions that suggest not-distancing, but Parm comes off townier from it.

Varsoon and Alonzo + 1 more, I suppose.

I'll use my super-spy gadget later in the game, when there are more posts for it to analyze.

Tally ho!

[JohnnyEnglish]

Oh yeah I’d love to hear Varsoon compare my play here to prey mafia bc I think it’s probably pretty starkly different and I can’t imagine him scumreading me in a way that isn’t related to his perception of my play compared to that game

I probably wouldn't because
1. Meta a shit
2. My memory a shit
3. I don't really see a comparison


Also man, come fight me Johnny English
Tired of all you chumps angling on me but no one laying votes
What are you scared of? Rapier supersaint? FIGHT ME.

You should be more careful of picking fights with people you don't know, sir. M16 agents are typically trained in at least 3 different martial arts, to make them adept in hand-to-hand-combat. I have experience in Muay Thai, Escrima, Krav Maga, Capoeira, Savate, Yawyan, Taekwondo, Judo, Jujitsu, Ninjitsu, Kendo, Fencing, Kenjitsu, Kali, Bojutsu, Francombat, Boxing, Kickboxing, Hapkido, Wing Chun, Parkour, Shorin Ryu, Silat, Chin Na, Hokuto Shinken, Kyudo, Aikido, Varma Adi, Jeet Kune Do, Shaolin, Ba Gua, Hung Gar, Tai Chi, Kung Fu, Kenpo, and Karate.

Unfortunately, most of what it takes to be a good spy doesn't only involve violence, but also the arts of disguise, persuasion, perception, deception, intimidation, investigation, stealth, and more.

I shall be pleased to be your opponent in a friendly match, mister Varsoon. You may make the first move.


Ooh, is that a cat on your head?! Caaat~

[JohnnyEnglish]

My super spy supercomputer tells me Fractured is town.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I think we do Alonzo -> Varsoon ->>>>>>> {Parm | Lovebird} depending on what results we get.

Alonzo first.

[JohnnyEnglish]

2 out of 7 on Alonzo. Need a few more on him. A minimum of 5? M16 research shows that usually, a minimum of 66.7% of the players needed to reach wagon majority is necessary result in enhanced interrogation of a subject.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Fractured, Reality Check, Michael Scott, I need your help to vote Alonzo.

Drinks on me after we hang scum.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I can't make the first move if I can't vote.

@Fractured: Respond to what, though?

A vote may always be your weapon, but your weapon may not always be your vote.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.

Well, have you given them reason to not think that you are?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.

You also probably have to join the queue, because I think I've heard that complaint a number of times during my rundown of the game thread.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

so Johnny

if you know anything about me at all, you know I will need a lot more than that to sheep you

Your fellow peers, users mbaki and Lovebird, happen to be a little faster than me on the take, and are currently voting Alonzo. Do you hold their opinion in high regard?

If so, don't just take my word for it -- sheep them.

[JohnnyEnglish]

VOTE: Alonzo[/vote
]This is good.

This failure of a vote is tragic.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I don't sheep

But, do you hold their opinion in high regard? Surely their actions must influence you one way or another. Do you not hold an opinion on your fellow players?

What do you think of users mbaki and Lovebird at the current moment, game-wise?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Very light scum and idk

Could you go a little more in depth about those reads?

I believe you had an extended communication with user mbaki over the course of this game. In fact, it appears that the both of you are even acquainted with each other. Are you willing to share the more elaborate thoughts you have regarding the way he's approaching this game and what you think his motives are?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Sell me on Alonzo and I'll sheep you, English.

The process is elementary, Scott. No amount of words beats you viewing the inconsistencies for yourself.

Take a brief look at Alonzo's ISO, and name me instances of him actively trying to look for evidence as to which among us are scum, or, in other words, "scumhunting". Can you? This exercise will take less than two minutes.

I'll wait.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I don't want to commit to a read to Eddie because I read him incorrectly both games I played with him, Johnny.

And Lovebird I only played one game and incorrectly read her there too, she's one slot I want to eat indirectly instead of directly

If you are not confident in your read of user mbaki, yet you will not "sheep", then how exactly do you plan on eventually dealing with/sorting the mbaki slot? It's one way or another; either you come to a conclusion on him yourself, or defer to others. What shall it be? Do you have a plan?

I understand that they eat Lovebirds in some parts of the world... I myself have eaten roast pidgeon on occasion, but could you please take a bit of time to plan on how you're going to deal with those slots going forward in the game? I think sitting down to collect your thoughts would be helpful.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Take a brief look at Alonzo's ISO, and name me instances of him actively trying to look for evidence as to which among us are scum, or, in other words, "scumhunting". Can you? This exercise will take less than two minutes.

Definitions for "scumhunting" vary.
His ISO is meh, but this accusation can be made of multiple slots, methinks.
Also from my very iffy memory of town!Alonzo, this doesn't look too different. Are you informed by experience with town!him?

Negative, sir. My observations of players are independent of what their previous mannerisms of play seems to be like.

If they're playing against town win condition, in other words, "scummy", I call them out. It's as simple as that, no fuss no mess.

Care to put a vote down on him for the time being?

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

You want to kill a man you look him in the eye.

I question your integrity sir.

Your death will be swift and painless, my friend.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Care to put a vote down on him for the time being?

I see you haven't placed a vote yourself - you go on, first.

I have my reasons.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

If you've got time to like Johnny you've got time to case me no?

Ever wonder why Youtubers always ask to "Like and Subscribe", but rarely to "Comment"...?


...

...Yeah.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Parry Mbaki

thrust mbaki

Why did you perform your parry on mbaki, and not Parmigiano who you claim to be "scumreading", and also voting you?


Need more votes on Alonzo. implosion, Brigitte, want to do the honours?

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I want to state again that I'm against an Alonzo wagon

the timing of his townreads/questions does indicate to me a level of genuine game-solving. posts like 206, 470, 490, 701 all registering on my town radar

and I felt his push on me was fair

What's your read on Varsoon?

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I'd like the players who are defending Alonzo or are against his wagon to explain why, please.


I think he is currently anti-town at best and scum at worst.

As much as I'd hate for the day to end prematurely, I also believe that some flips are necessary to move the game forward. I'll give this a little around 12 or 24 hours or so, before making a final decision.

For those who are backing Alonzo, make your cases or forever hold your peace.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Most Conflicted - Discussing W Other Head Too:

Johnny

Are you comfortable at this point in time with sharing with the thread what those conflicts are, and why there is a discrepancy in reads between your two heads? Where are you at in the current point in time? Could you describe this a little bit more to us?


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

It's been three fucking days

You can chill out mr "mi6 agent"

In over 98% of mafia forum sites globally available, three days is the upper maximum limit of game day deadlines.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Johnny English, reporting back for duty.

It seems that there is more content than I thought would have been produced. I guess we can consider the lynch a little more.


RadiantCowbells, I don't necessarily townread Parm, but I find them a little more townier than Alonzo. They could be partners together, despite some distancing being done earlier in the game.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I feel like we're gonna Lynch town I'm gonna be nked and mbaki and others are gonna encourage people to forget I existed

What makes you say that?

[JohnnyEnglish]

You're voting Alonzo.

If I voted Pram, would you say its a scum pushed wagon?

I would say you're bussing

Then why would anyone in their healthy mind ever listen to you, let alone lay down their vote?

[JohnnyEnglish]

I want to state again that I'm against an Alonzo wagon

the timing of his townreads/questions does indicate to me a level of genuine game-solving. posts like 206, 470, 490, 701 all registering on my town radar

and I felt his push on me was fair

What's your read on Varsoon?

Cheers.

I'm starting to scumread Varsoon myself

did you answer my question about your townreads on mbaki/michael scott?

Sure.

Both mbaki and Michael Scott are playing in approaches and manners that move the game forward.

In contrast, Alonzo is playing in a manner that moves the game backward.

I can't surmise how you can land on a townread on Alonzo for "genuine game-solving" when Michael Scott is in fact a much better example for the same reason.

I think Fractured is a pretty easy read for town and it's odd how, if I follow, you scumread Michael Scott for obtaining the obvious and likely correct read.

I don't see anything of merit from Alonzo.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Parm's wagon doesn't make sense to me. I don't see what Parm's done that merits being lynched. I've tried to ask people who I'm more familiar with and their answers haven't been satisfying.

Alonzo, I can get, but that's just cus the guy has a bit of an abrasive devil-may-care style to his posts. Dunno that it makes him scum.

Honestly, I'm fine with either flipping, given that they could be scum just playing in a way that doesn't ping to me and it'll give plenty of info that actually might drive my engagement towards scumhunting based on wagon comp. I just don't wanna be complicit in those lynches because then I get less information at the point of flip.

this pings me as real scummy

Varsoon doesn't want to commit to calling either slot as scum, but says he can flip either of them anyway. There's no care whatsoever about avoiding a lynch on town here.

Really? Because what I see is Varsoon is soft defending Alonzo.

Your analysis may be correct, however, in the possibility that Varsoon knows that both are town and wouldn't mind flipping either, but it's also possible that Varsoon knows Alonzo is his mafia teammate and wants to soft-defend while not hard-oppose the wagon.

I don't think this post actually makes a difference to my reads without further information and evidence.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Ya'll are all super off-base
The reality is that I'm town and ya'll are either angling me up as scum because you want some gullible townies to be the ones to finally vote me when I've outright claimed super saint.
Or you've all got really poor judgment and think I'm scum because you're bad at taking things at face value.
Can't say.
What I can say is that I don't appreciate people being like "Lol look at varsoon playing scummy" but not voting me.
It feels like you're saying "I know Varsoon is town, but here is a way I can cast his actions as scummy. Someone please believe me."

Okay, then prove your towniness.




With a dance-off.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I don't overly scumread Parm, but I don't think he's the scummiest in the game.

With that said, I think discussion is faltering and this is the critical time for us to have flips.

I don't want to see our adorable little seal throw a tantrum if he remains alive, anyway.

VOTE: Parm

[JohnnyEnglish]

Not interested in the parm wagon.

I'm reluctant too, in fact, but it's high time that we move the game forward.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.

There's a fine balance between maintaining sufficient game discussion length and needlessly extending day length to the point of apathy.

I think we're coming close to reaching the latter.

[JohnnyEnglish]

And hence I unilaterally decide that it is in the town's best interests to put a stop to it and move this game forward.

I believe at the current stage of the game, no new and further information can be obtained, and that we are at an impasse.

Regardless of what Parm flips, I believe that we can obtain valuable information and move the game forward beginning tomorrow.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Not interested in the parm wagon.

+1

Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.

+1

Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.

There's a fine balance between maintaining sufficient game discussion length and needlessly extending day length to the point of apathy.

I think we're coming close to reaching the latter.

What is the consequence of apathy? A flip on someone that should have been town read? Doesn't sound like we're getting a much better deal by ending day now to me.

And hence I unilaterally decide that it is in the town's best interests to put a stop to it and move this game forward.

I believe at the current stage of the game, no new and further information can be obtained, and that we are at an impasse.

Regardless of what Parm flips, I believe that we can obtain valuable information and move the game forward beginning tomorrow.

What information do we get on a Parm flip over someone else?

The Parm wagon is sufficiently divisive to provide a good amount of evidence and insight into most players' alignments after the flip. Most notably: Alonzo, RadiantCowbells, and Varsoon among others.

The consequence of apathy is a harsh, embarrassing town loss.

If Parm is already sufficiently scumread to the point, and even possibly equal to the suspicion given to Alonzo, then there is no question that he will be a liability going forward into the game. He is not someone we want to have at LYLO, and therefore this is a deal that I will accept.

To reiterate, I do not townread Parm. At best, I read him slightly townier than Alonzo. Alonzo is my preferred lynch, but I suppose that if he is in our crosshairs, he won't be able to escape on future days.

Let us unite this town instead of divide it.

[JohnnyEnglish]

they're just scum. at least brigitte is.

Unfortunately, I disagree.

[JohnnyEnglish]

they're just scum. at least brigitte is.

Unfortunately, I disagree.

you don't even know who they are.

Does that make my opinion lesser than yours?

[JohnnyEnglish]

I do

if parm flips scum I am willing to do bridget next

If I flip town are you doing Radcow next? I'd rather not have that happen.

Will you flip town? I suggest you claim right now.

[JohnnyEnglish]

in this case? absolutely

Alright, seal. You win.

*pets the seal*

[JohnnyEnglish]

I do

if parm flips scum I am willing to do bridget next

If I flip town are you doing Radcow next? I'd rather not have that happen.

Will you flip town? I suggest you claim right now.

I will flip town, yes. I'm the Town Enhanced Parrier, I can parry anyone regardless of who they're voting. They switch to Not Voting and they forfeit the right to vote the player they were parried from for the rest of the DP.

I think Alonzo is town, and I am town, which makes your two top scumreads pretty bad from where I stand, Johnny.

Well, that's problematic then.

Rest assured that your slot and your flip will be treated respectfully and will be fully utilized to provide the maximum amount of information to town the next day, and, thanks to your cooperation, the remaining hours of today.

As of the current moment, here's to hoping that our pet seal would be more cooperative in future endeavours.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Time for a drink.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Johnny is funny. He's a good character.

@Reality Check why did you scumread him?

Sorry, my friend, but you died. I shot you with my MI6-issued specialized enhanced spy revolver with lethal South African snake poison which leads to total paralysis and death within 12 hours.

You'll be given a proper funeral and generous compensation to your family courtesy of MI6.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Fractured's town case on Parm sounds like "TMI" - insider information, but I'm just reeling from shooting an innocent guy.


Time for another drink.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I believe that the manner in which he claimed, plus his willingness to cooperate with law enforcement as well as the rest of the town strongly points towards Parm town.

[JohnnyEnglish]

It really depends on how strong we expect the players of Fractured to be - are they an evil scum mastermind trained in the 7 Arts of Deception and Disguise? Or are they an innocent civilian incapable of performing such dastardly feats?

[JohnnyEnglish]

UNVOTE: Parmesan

We'd better send him to a hospital, quick. He's bleeding out.

The hospital might not even have the antidote for South African deadly snake poison.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I agree. We should lynch Alonzo instead.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I don't think it's necessarily scummy to defend Fractured considering the fact that they look rather town-aligned in the general sense.

[JohnnyEnglish]

part of the reason i'm considering fractured is that they're hard defending parmigiano.
now parmigiano is also soft defending fractured.

scum are blocking together this game, we won't lynch them unless we strongarm something through as town.

Well, you could be wrong. Parm could be town and Fractured could be town.

Parm could be town and Fractured could be scum.

Parm could be scum and Fractured could be town.

Your analysis isn't very logically or scientifically conclusive.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Yeah but I too find it rather odd that anybody could call Parmigiano "the strongest townread in the game".

[JohnnyEnglish]

part of the reason i'm considering fractured is that they're hard defending parmigiano.
now parmigiano is also soft defending fractured.

scum are blocking together this game, we won't lynch them unless we strongarm something through as town.

Well, you could be wrong. Parm could be town and Fractured could be town.

Parm could be town and Fractured could be scum.

Parm could be scum and Fractured could be town.

Your analysis isn't very logically or scientifically conclusive.

mafia is not a scientific game

It is, actually. There's research and evidence that shows that scientific investigation and discovery of the mafia results in 77% higher town winrates, as compared to "winging it". Theoretically, if someone had created a program or a rudimentary artificial intelligence using scientific principles to play the game, their accuracy in reading players would be >90% higher than the average player.

[JohnnyEnglish]

you'll find that if scum don't bus in most lobbies before PR information comes out it's borderline impossible to actually get a scum lynched without full blown strength of will-ing it

You'll also find that your theories are fundamentally flawed, and you'll end up mislynching town and singlehandedly costing games for town more often than not.

[JohnnyEnglish]

truth is i'm not all that sure parmigiano is scum

Perhaps you should reconsider the amount of confidence you project into reads that you yourself are not confident in, then.

Now, were you all that sure that Alonzo was actually town?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Fractured do you happen to share a private topic with another player in the game?

[JohnnyEnglish]

I think only Brigitte and Reality Check are intertwined, yes?

[JohnnyEnglish]

I do what I have to do.

My unconfident reads are better than most peoples' confident reads.

That may be the case in the general sense, I suppose, but once a blue moon you might encounter a player who will have better reads than you do, you know?

Such as, a certain handsome MI6 agent

[JohnnyEnglish]

*...stealthily sidles across to Parmigiano, plucks out the poison dart, and sidles away...*

Must be a dud.

[JohnnyEnglish]

So, back to the Alonzo wagon. Choo choo.

Upon review, I do not think that Fractured or Brigitte is scum. I am not necessarily opposed to a compromise wagon on GuiltyLion now. But I would strongly prefer Alonzo being lynched.

Could we get more votes on him please?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Like, just look at that very scummy parry on mbaki.

[JohnnyEnglish]

If both of them are legitimately scum, I'm going to be extremely upset

So you think Fractured is Town. Brigitte is Town. Parm is Town.

Do you think Alonzo is Town? If not, please help us vote him. I hope you will be more open to this rather than your reluctant vote on a townread.



Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Like, just look at that very scummy parry on mbaki.

Are you Eddie canes wet dream or something?

I am Johnny English, MI6 Secret Agent, directly in service to the Royal Queen and Excellency of the United Kingdom.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Okay, upon a deeper review on the Brigitte wagon and isolated post analysis I am no longer so sure that she is town. Can appreciate RadiantCowbells's stance, but it will not be my first choice of lynch.



Cheers

[JohnnyEnglish]

And your first act is to terrorise a fellow English man?

My mission is to protect the country against all threats, both internal and external.


Cheers

[JohnnyEnglish]

What?

I'm scumreading parm

Okay.

I think his roleclaim and his actions were pretty town-aligned recently though.

What's your read on Alonzo. Care to help me wagon him?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Alonzo is probably town

What makes you so sure about that?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Ask me after I get home, it's in the neighborhood

I do not recall that you and Alonzo are part of a neighborhood.

[JohnnyEnglish]

who wants to play some IN THREAD TIC TAC TOE

and by IN THREAD TIC TAC TOE i mean running someone up to l-0

Sure. I'll start.

Tic.

VOTE: Brigitte

[JohnnyEnglish]

eventually something in this game will happen

Johnny English has got your back!


Drink's on me, by the way.

Cheers!

[JohnnyEnglish]

Greetings.

Johnny English, MI6 Agent, reporting for duty.

[JohnnyEnglish]

VOTE: mbaki

do you think that wagon was all town?

I think the wagon was all town. Scum didn't have time to bus.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

what was that [necessary violence] vote that was on there

Talking about the Keen?
Where did you see that particular phrasing?

Dunnstral edited out a certain "Necessary Violence" because he miscounted the votes when he locked the thread, before the flip. "Necessary Violence" might have been a certain technology developed by a different faction. It was placed directly after "Keen" to become the Hammer vote. It was since corrected.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I think the following slots are extremely likely to be Town and should not be the lynch today:

mbaki
RadiantCowbells
Reality Check
Michael Scott
implosion
GuiltyLion
Fractured

[JohnnyEnglish]

Yeah.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I want to look at Alonzo or Creature/Varsoon today.

A quick MI6 background check tells me that user Creature's alignment is exceeding easy determine.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

oh i didn't see the michael scott

sigh

guess i'm alone.

Don't worry, little seal, Johnny English will give you all the attention you need!

*pets seal*

Should we give you a name? All adorable seals need a name. What should I name the cute seal...?

*pets seal*

I know, what about Tyler? Tyler the seal. It's a great name, isn't it?

*pets seal*

What an adorable seal.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I don't townread Lovebird either.

I wouldn't be opposed to them being lynched.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

I like the plan of sort creature/lovebird as first priorities, though.

According to a quick extrapolation of their activity levels, this process is going to take a fairly long time.

Sit down, have a drink! Maybe watch some telly.


Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

excessive interactions with brigitte mostly

Michael Scott's vote on Brigitte was in fact excessively good.

Besides, I've been townreading him before that.

Cheers.

[JohnnyEnglish]

No

[JohnnyEnglish]

Oh no, I neglected poor Tyler the seal, now he's cold and lost and hungry and lonely and sad, and now he's acting out.... I'm sorry Tyler, Papa Johnny had to go on a top secret MI6 mission high up the mountains in the Swiss Alps... but I'm here now. I'll take care of you, I won't leave you again, I promise.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Okay this is going to cause problems if this isn't outed I think

JohnnyEnglish is obviously the Kerns becuase no shit

But this slot is necessary violence, our slot is the hidden double voter

So, what, Necessary Violence automatically hammers people when they reach L-1? Or must you use that very impressive spy tech manually?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Should I use my super top secret MI6 issued Mafia program?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Baby seals like Tyler need a lot of love and care. It's my failure as a seal owner to have neglected him for multiple days and now he hates me. It looks like I will have to give him even more love and care and attention to make up for that mistake.

[JohnnyEnglish]

*pets seal*

[JohnnyEnglish]

There's only one way to prove your towniness, Performer.





With a dance-off.

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[JohnnyEnglish]

pedit: im not a bragger but ved you will probably lose to me in a dance off. I'm basically the Rabbit on Masked Singer and a live version of Aladdin.
My name's Performer after all.

I'm easily a top choreographed dancer onsite. I don't presume to be excellent at anything else.

Okay, prove it.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Implosion is in the top three towniest players.

Change my mind.

Sure, I will change your mind.

Implosion is in the top two towniest players.

[JohnnyEnglish]

VOTE: Performer

Thank you.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Johnny English Strikes Again!

[JohnnyEnglish]

Mission Success. Status: Perfect Town Win.

Time to report back to MI6.