Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

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VOTE: Alonzo

Yikes!

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Yikes what?

Later

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Short answer I don't believe Alonzo really thinks Glion is scum

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Lol I town read Parm regardless of Alonzo/GL flips

Are u buddying me

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VOTE: Alonzo

Yikes!

This votes a bit cheesy

And you're scum

Smiley's and implo's trs of me from one vote don't make sense

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NVM implo explained his

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Smiley's is worse.

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Wait what implo my question to Smiley was a joke but I'd rather him respond than you, why u doing that

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it's a free country.

Guess that's why we need swords

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Not entirely sure 120 is entirely honest, implo made one post between Smiley's saying he didn't have enough to scumread implo and voting implo.

Smiley, did you scumread Implo more based on 113? Why if so

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No, 113 didn't matter.

So why switch

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Catch em catch em gotta catch em all, pokemon

VOTE: Parmagio

What is caught?

VOTE: Lovebird

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Someone seems to value RC's reads very highly

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I mean, what other than RC's post would make you vote me

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Ok Smiley does feel town.
But so does RC.

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Ahhh sorry, radcow. For both RCs in my last posts haha

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I mean, what other than RC's post would make you vote me

For the wagon. So, even if I don't scumread you, felt I'd vote you and see what happens.

Nice

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Alonzo
Yikes!

Is this the third?

Money's on: yes.

Actually the yikes was for his conversation with Smiley, the vote was not

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Hydras, my favorite

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Hydras, my favorite

What are you then? An alt?

Yeah

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Gratz. Have we played before?

No.

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VOTE: brigitte

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i think rc is scum if brigitte isn't

this entire interaction really really really bugs me

I'm struggling to see how they could be opposite alignments. Barring weird role interactions?

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not really interested in the Brigitte/Reality Check/Radiant discussion except to affirm that I buy both of Brigitte's/Reality Check's claims regarding eachother and have them both as town

I don't like! Why let them off the hook like this? If they're scum, they've bought themselves a very easy townread. But more than that, if they're scum and you're town, what could convince you to vacate that townread? Their play later on? This statement of yours bothers me

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Understanding now that Brigitte's Radcow vote comes from their history? Maybe? But that is inconsistent with 275 and 273 which look like support for a vote. Brigitte also catches up and only talks about Radcow

289 explain, Brigitte? The only person in the game giving you pings is Radcow?

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i agree with GL's statement.

afaic right now brigette and reality check are completely ignorable for at least 2 days.

If they're scum this is correct strategy still? Or do you mean IRL days

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You realize that they are not masons correct

Then why is other RC so certain brigitte is town

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Are they?

I'll do a closer read with ISO of you three but the impression I got was that other RC was heavily against a Brigitte train.

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Think Varsoon might be scum.

Think Implo is almost definitely town.

Smiley seems town still, so does RC.

GL is scum.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Brigitte is scum too I think.

This is not my main's playstyle, no. My main doesn't play on mobile at work.

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I agree that it's spew, sorry Radcow.

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Parm what's your current read on Alonzo?

99 Alonzo pulls a thin justification for his RVS vote on GL
105 Either a 'OMG HES PRESSURING ME' or just trying to create a wagon
117 and 120 bad, the scum would be mbaki in this line of thinking not GL
243 was maybe a good point but also maybe nitpicking trying to look for fault in otherwise fine play, especially considering Reality Check is a hydra
255 renewing the thin justification for GL vote
258 is the worst kind of meta read
83 87 89 97 100 148 180 227 238 250 252 are all filler posts.

Damn, maybe he is scum. I had the impression from the filler posts that he was just being kind of frivolous but he's actually been pretty insistent on pushing GL for dubious reasons. 105 pushes one of my harder TRs (evidence? I can do closer reading, it's all mostly gut from one reading).

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Alright my vote's in the wrong place. Not sure what the right place is though. UNVOTE:

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Also Varsoon I just read your ISO and I retract my lackluster/no push. But not being able to vote would be a pretty severe handicap for a town role.

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Wouldn't scum me just sheep around 206?

That's possible yeah. Not the only play there, 206 could also have been a good way for scum!Alonzo to make a town ally which is why I ignored it.

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Who should I be voting and why?
And I got the rapier that has no blade, so I can't vote.

So this was a joke then?

I went through your games earlier when I couldn't post and in the 5 games I looked at you RVS voted in all 5.

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In those games, was I working Overtime while also active in at least two other mafiascum threads, too?

Not RVS voting isn't reason for FoS, claiming you can't vote is.

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In those games, was I working Overtime while also active in at least two other mafiascum threads, too?

Not RVS voting isn't reason for FoS, claiming you can't vote is.

Jesus I just noticed you are voting Implo. Nvm

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I call it baiting...

Real talk tho, LB was a big time towny in bus drivers

You don't know how meta works and seem to be using bad meta for pushes, as you've done with LB and GL so far. Do you actually think that someone leading town in one game means that they're scum when they're quieter, or someone tending to make elaborate pushes as town means they're scum when they aren't doing so in the first 10 pages?

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VOTE: parm

mostly cause of wagonomics

but do you actually scumread me?

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Hey Fractured thoughts on Alonzo please

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the thread was boring me

I figured that out I can't figure out who you actually want to lunch though

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not really interested in the Brigitte/Reality Check/Radiant discussion except to affirm that I buy both of Brigitte's/Reality Check's claims regarding eachother and have them both as town

I don't like! Why let them off the hook like this? If they're scum, they've bought themselves a very easy townread. But more than that, if they're scum and you're town, what could convince you to vacate that townread? Their play later on? This statement of yours bothers me

Scummy

At the time I thought there was a real possibility of scum!Reality scum!Brigitte

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VOTE: Alonzo[/vote
]This is good.

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Lovebirds hit and run was scripted and fake.

Almost certainly in the scumchat

Explain?

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We know parma is reading other people, so why maintain the unfounded stuff and come up with something more concrete on me?

It's funny that you say this when I went through your entire ISO in 467, and you even responded to it. In fact yours is the only ISO I've actually deep dived so far.

Still haven't done my homework on Brigitte/Reality, mostly because I agree that they're probably town.

I also like Johnny English. Advancing the game at a point where scum could potentially wait around for a last minute lynch.

VOTE: Alonzo[/vote
]This is good.

This failure of a vote is tragic.

3 am phoneposting at work lmao. Quote is messing with my vote tag so I'll revote in a separate post if need be.

@Varsoon why do you think Implosion is scum?

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Alonzo explain 682 please

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Ty missed it

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I have to fix? Kk

VOTE: Alonzo

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@Radiant - 467 and 468 don't really strike me as posts that scum would make

generally both he and Alonzo feel like D1 lynchbait

I might still come around on Parm but I wanna see more of who jumps on that wagon first

Thing is despite the effort to read me, his conclusions are poor, and he skipped straight over the most alignment indicative post I made (or rather didn't mention it because the meaning could be interpreted as either alignment.
Hasn't adjusted his read to anything I have done since, and hasn't looked at my larger meta)

Maybe it will change, but rn parm just looks agenda driven

What you've done since also feels scummy. I read meta when it feels useful, I don't meta everyone I vote.

If you want to help you could link a scum game you're proud of.

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Hey mbaki you're the only one in this game who knows my meta. Obviously that can be manipulated. But I'm a little wary of your townlean on me. Does that still exist?

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I'm going to ignore that question and ask you this one: I have demonstrated an ability to read you in the past. Why would me having you as town at any point be scummy if you're town?

You having me as town is not scummy. You taking a very wishy-washy stance on me kind of is

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But there are many reasons that you might not have a strong read on me that don't mean you're scum.

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Would it help more if I provided instances of mainly shit posting on day one and still hitting scum?

Iv a few of those... And who wouldn't be proud?

Not quite sure you're shitposting today. You've done some of that but you're making substantive posts too. I'll work with you some later

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Does anyone townread parmigiano

Can they explain why

Parmigiana how do you feel about my push on you?

I think it probably comes from a town PoV. I doubt that the suspicion is contrived, you have a lot of it from many posts. And people seem to be ignoring it, which if I were pushing a vote would make town!me even more insistent on it, and might make scum!me back off.

Btw re: 397 I think it would be hard to defend the side of Alonzo actually believing his GL scumread. 99 implies that GL's 92 is scum indicative, how could that possibly be a real opinion? Then he switches from GL to Implo then back to GL, saying in 120 that mbaki's waffling made him think Implo was town. Which would implicate mbaki, yet he goes back to voting GL. Feels like he just picked someone to tag his vote on.

How does this idea implicate GL, rather than Alonzo? I'm implying that Alonzo was using an unwavering GL scumread as an excuse not to participate in gamesolving, and is now on my wagon because apparently I am making wrong conclusions about him.

Oh yeah, 849 is a scumtell too.

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Oh do you want me to name a scum team, RC? I don't do day 1 associatives.

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I would like flips

What about yours

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I would like flips

What about yours

But yes so would I.

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I claim RAPIER

Gotcha, I counterclaim RAPIER. Scum caught

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If I do some scumfinding work RC would that help your read of me? I haven't really been assed to because I think I have 2 scum already.

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If I do some scumfinding work RC would that help your read of me? I haven't really been assed to because I think I have 2 scum already.

This is half true, I'm also 90% on mobile.

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hey RC

nice wagon on parm

Do you think RC is scum or town

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Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

This means we shouldn't lynch them right now.

Oh yeah UNVOTE: alonzo

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I d k

I vote u over him if that's that q

I'm a bot drunk

Are you struggling to sort my slot?

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Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

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Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

What reason would you give?

If everyone scumleans them, it feels like a ML. But if only 2 scumread them and nobody else mentions them, it feels like scum. Not much more to it than that atm.

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I've barely read their posts so I should do that

Ok that's a good answer ty Smiley

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Literally no one townreads me this game is

You asked me a question earlier but apparently ignored my answer

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Actually after my answer you said cheese needs to die

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Can't say I haven't experienced it before guess it's been a while.

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1) RadiantCowbells

2) GuiltyLion
3) Michael Scott (hydra of Volxen and Auro)

4) Alonzo

5) Brigitte

6) Varsoon

7) Fractured (Enter + Taly)

8) mbaki

9) JohnnyEnglish

10) implosion

11) Lovebird

12) Parmigiano Reggiano

13) Reality Check (Ankamius Mastina)

I'll vote these people today and nobody else, I think.

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I think Michael Scott's probably town and I like mmmbaki.
Who the fuck is lovebird, even, parmigianoreggy?

Someone Radcow townreads

I'm V/LA for the rest of today IRL, btw.

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I do

if parm flips scum I am willing to do bridget next

If I flip town are you doing Radcow next? I'd rather not have that happen.

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I do

if parm flips scum I am willing to do bridget next

If I flip town are you doing Radcow next? I'd rather not have that happen.

Will you flip town? I suggest you claim right now.

I will flip town, yes. I'm the Town Enhanced Parrier, I can parry anyone regardless of who they're voting. They switch to Not Voting and they forfeit the right to vote the player they were parried from for the rest of the DP.

I think Alonzo is town, and I am town, which makes your two top scumreads pretty bad from where I stand, Johnny.

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who would you rather have go next

You, maybe. Or someone in GL/Varsoon/potentially Johnny? I haven't read through MS thoroughly, they probably deserve it. Maybe them.

Reality Check/Brigitte also have to be sorted.

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Lynch today should be Varsoon, I think. Maybe, mayyyybe Alonzo just because he'll 100% be a ML later if he's town.

VOTE: Varsoon

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Johnny is funny. He's a good character.

@Reality Check why did you scumread him?

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Johnny is funny. He's a good character.

@Reality Check why did you scumread him?

you just suggested him as a lynch

Yes? I'm not challenging the scumread, I am trying to figure out why it exists.

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why is that claim probably town

Appreciate the stalling on my wagon, but I have the same question.

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I have done the same thing Fractured did as scum before (ISO dive where I find town motivation in posts for a player I know is town). But it feels weird for scum!Fractured to try to derail the Parm wagon, especially if Radcow is town since my flip would line up a very reasonable Radcow lynch tomorrow.

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Yeah but I too find it rather odd that anybody could call Parmigiano "the strongest townread in the game".

This is a good point.

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but parm is alright as town

Hey I've had games where I was GREAT at town (also undefeated in my first like 9 town games)

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truth is i'm not all that sure parmigiano is scum

LOL

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Oh btw what did parm claim? It was the parry anybody thing right?

I will flip town, yes. I'm the Town Enhanced Parrier, I can parry anyone regardless of who they're voting. They switch to Not Voting and they forfeit the right to vote the player they were parried from for the rest of the DP.

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Has it been tested?

No, I'd rather not since it's once per game.

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This is fun, which one of you is scum

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This is fun, which one of you is scum

Also which head is talking rn

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Has it been tested?

No, I'd rather not since it's once per game.

:THONK:

If you want to force me to parry a vote on someone else be my guest. That would be pretty bad though.

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i have a n0 guilty i am going to out soon btw

Eddie

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If it's Brigitte/Fractured why are they protecting me? Especially with Fractured it makes me suspect them more when I normally might not have a scumread on them.

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I mean unless you think I'm scum and they're creating direct associatives.

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Fair enough smiley are you still replacing

Pedit:.......

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I was thinking, Varsoon is trying to get votes on him. So, Idk exactly what he's doing, but I think it's towny.

Refusing to help people townread you =/= trying to get votes on you, no?

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I was thinking, Varsoon is trying to get votes on him. So, Idk exactly what he's doing, but I think it's towny.

Refusing to help people townread you =/= trying to get votes on you, no?

Also, why is him trying to get voted, if he's doing that (i.e. playing purposefully scummy), reason to townread him? I disagree with the assessment, I think he's had a very opaque reaction to pressure/questions.

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I think he's trying to get someone to vote him.

This is more favorable to town!Varsoon than to scum!Varsoon because?

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Interesting. I missed 478. Also misread 1131. Ty

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Really dislike what Lovebird did there.

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town needs a leader but people are resisting my attempts to lead town.

You've been pushing me for most of the day, forgive me for not trusting your assessment of the game.

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not forgiven.

I'll sheep you on Fractured I guess. I want to see what happens with Varsoon.

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not voting fractured. voting brigitte.

Oh. That's harder for me to accept

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not voting fractured. voting brigitte.

Oh. That's harder for me to accept

I know you've done posting to convince people, I'll read it soon.

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lovebird could be scum i just realized.

Hard to engage with this when I don't really know why you townread them and I don't understand what switched.

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@Reality Check/@Parm/@mbaki can you guys vote here

maybe, I think I am currently voting scum though.

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I like my votes stop touching them

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Fractured I saw your question I'll answer when I get to A computer

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@smiley is varsoon scum

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Parm

, a lot of people are iffy with

Parm

and even though I agree with

Enter

, I want a better look here.

1)

I've stated my reasons for

Varsoon

scum, do you disagree?

2)

Also, why is it odd for both heads of this hydra to townread you? You haven't directly challenged us on this or really countered the wagon on you either.[/spoiler]

78, 263 - Fractured has town lean on Varsoon

5. Varsoon I called you scum earlier and you didn't respond. Why not? Engage me.

This is somewhat different from

Varsoon

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Enter

quoted the lyrics to Deja Vu by Initial D in reference to the fact that

Varsoon

was doing the same thing he was doing in Prey, but it was mostly in response to him being voteless.

Enter

is rather null on the slot at the moment.

but I can understand the poking Varsoon -> no reaction feeling odd.
737 Taly(?) reiterates Varsoon townlean.
895 is a third call for Varsoon to interact more with the game. Still no scumread, ala 898, 919.

Scum pings start in 1132. 1475 remains conflicted on the slot.

So 1132 is your reason for scumreading Varsoon? I don't see how his process in 1119 through 1122 is inconsistent with anything else he's done this game. But I'm open to an explanation.

I don't disagree that the Varsoon slot is scum, I was voting it before he parried me. I don't really understand why you are asking Question 1) at all.

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Parm

, a lot of people are iffy with

Parm

and even though I agree with

Enter

, I want a better look here.

1)

I've stated my reasons for

Varsoon

scum, do you disagree?

2)

Also, why is it odd for both heads of this hydra to townread you? You haven't directly challenged us on this or really countered the wagon on you either.[/spoiler]

Radcow has sown doubt in my mind that it is reasonable for the Fractured slot to be defending the Parm slot for most of the game. I worry I am being pocketed by scum. I have a personal issue with 1180's assertion that I am one of the strongest town players in this game, because I know I am playing poorly and off my usual game; and a game issue because it is hyperbolic. I also got scum pings from what felt like retroactive reasoning in 1180; of course, this could also be a town attempt to put concrete data on paper to support a townread that had been less reasoned out before.

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We're powerlynching Brigitte when she's V/LA until Friday?

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I guess I have to do my Brigitte/Reality Check homework now.

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ok

i wouldn't hard clear parm but yeah a lot of what i scumread is no longer scummy

Did you really figure it out?

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And still down to lynch Creature slot.

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ok

i wouldn't hard clear parm but yeah a lot of what i scumread is no longer scummy

Did you really figure it out?

If you did figure it out I'd like to see a crumb. Just so I know to scuttle this alt.

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Where's the vote?

Feels wrong to wagon a player who hasn't even posted yet.

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Good, I feel better about you

mbaki

.

What about

Lovebird

and

Alonzo

?

p-edit

Where's the vote?

Feels wrong to wagon a player who hasn't even posted yet.

Any strong reads on people who have posted?

read generated from this DP? no, just skimmed like 6 pages. other reads, mbaki probably town, radcow town, you null, alonzo idk, lion maybe scum

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I'm at work for a while so can't catch up yet but why does it say DP deadline is in one day

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Wow I am not going to be catching up for a while.

Why am I full claiming, Smiley?

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you arent

Alright I thought Creatue quoted you saying that. Parm out! I'll read when I get more than 2hours sleep

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so first of all

I have results

@Parm, I'm going to need a full claim. Not just your parry thing. Or you will be the lynch today.

Was this addressed?

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Creature does not know who I am.

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I'm also unhappy with this game state. It has over 2k posts and this DP takes place while I'm busiest at work.

Creature town btw.

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Smiley is Reality slot scum?

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I'm never going to be able to catch up