Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

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Who else is having trouble sleeping this week?

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I now remember I had a bad plan for my first post, but I forgot to do it ):

~Varsoon’s singing head

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so I can't vote.

hmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmmm


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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alright i think imma tunnel varsoon

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I wonder if the parry ability is to counter stuff like that :thonk:

also, this post is Unironically Scummy.

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don't forget to vote, implosion

don't want to accidently allow someone else to be lynched instead

you do you.

Good luck tunneling moi

thank you (:

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VOTE: Alonzo

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My rvs vote is now actual

has a scummier sequence of six words ever been uttered than this?

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VOTE: implosion

don't make me parry you!!!

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Page five and people are already voting RC ok

were you camping the thread waiting to be able to say this

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Unvote

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actually alonzo, why switch away from me at that point in particular?

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i actually don't even know why i didn't realize that etc.

I have a feeling that my play in this game is going to look almost nothing like my town or scum metas.

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no, my defense for that is going to be the last game we played (:

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Do you have a reason for this?

RL shit.

Which is great, because I vaguely reference RL shit in mostly-honest ways as scum all the time. I'm pretty sure I did in my last game!
But this time i'm actually in a really unusual mood.

I do note that you're expecting me to scumread you

I mean, i'm not really especially. I'm just being very snarky.
otoh, n=2.

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I mostly mention it because I find it amusing, not as a preemptive defense or anything.

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I tilt when I get scumread for BS reasons and in that game I spent the entire game getting scumread for BS reasons

Also this isn't an excuse to have had an incorrect 100% scumread on me.
Stop trying to make excuses. You don't need an excuse, people are wrong sometimes. Just be right this time!

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brig-realitycheck are town.
GL might be town leaning.

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no, you're just obviously town

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explain what? why i called him obvtown? it's mostly in jest, though I do think 138-139 is possibly townish.

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i really shouldn't be hard to townread.

and if you actually can read me i'll be obvious town over time anyway. I'm not in a frame of mind where i would be able to play scum well rn, even less so than I was during Prey mafia and the only reason i made it fairly far into that game is because i semi-lurked and no one there really knew how to read me well other than maybe chara.

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to add to that, i really shouldn't be hard to townread to people who actually know how to read me. I'm really not convinced that you actually do know how to read me, though it's possible you do.

I also think you're a little townish. But like in diffusion of power that read is only very nominally above random chance and it's fairly unlikely to move far from that in practice, at least as long as I'm being rational.

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it's a free country.

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is varsoon actually a good vote?

kinda feels better than anyone else who's posted since i woke up atm.

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jesus fuck dude i went to a different page for like 8 seconds calm down

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eh this is a little bit hot garbage but.
VOTE: Fractured

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nullreading is so much more economical.

and i can do it forever, and never be wrong about anything!

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okay okay how about this reaction instead

i'm willing to scumread you if you get better reads ( - :

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yay I managed to be scumread off the bat by like 4 players for a single post

do I get an award now or after I flip

i mean it was a scummy post but i don't think it's indicative that you're scum in that you're confirmed town by brigitte who i Unconditionally Believe

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my impression of 120 was that alonzo unvoted me to spite mbaki?
not sure if i misread it

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VOTE: Parmigiano

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oh my god is parmigiano a spooghetioso alt i mean they aren't really playing the same way but that would be amazing

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RC is pretty close to a locktown actually

which rc

there is two of us

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jfc.

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really don't think brigitte is scum.

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two fuck this's and no attempt to dissuade me from the wagon which i'm assuming is what she was going for

not to speak for others but
when you do this i don't think people really care to dissuade you from what you're tunneling
that just feels completely pointless and moot
they just get annoyed

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the parry is a little odd but it's not something that i really have a desire to hear an explanation about rn.

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i agree with GL's statement.

afaic right now brigette and reality check are completely ignorable for at least 2 days.

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aayyy we're getting somewhere

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VOTE: Fractured

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There's no rush here. There are still lots of slots I want to hear more from before we get near an actual lynch (m. scott, l. bird, f. ractured, j. ohnnyenglish)

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i'm happy to defer on lovebird for now.

GL is an interesting case because he has stuff like 254, which I like, sort of thought but then didn't actually do in favor of vagrantly [sic] wagonhopping. And [post]360[/pos] which was also a thing I thought but didn't really feel like saying because it didn't seem particularly important to say.

I can maybe waffle on him.

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Parmigiano I just feel like is going to wind up being a ML at some point. I don't have any good reason for thinking that.
I just keep looking at stuff in GL's iso now and it all looks really bad and I'm probably even confbiasing some.

I would like to townread you if you are town

but this is a lot of townreads and no real effort at making any kind of scumread or game advancing content

can you "read more" those names you listed ASAP and perhaps break down more specific reads on them and drop a vote

especially interested in reads on mbaki and Parm

thanks in advance

Like this, which just is like. The first line is like "look at me, i'm also one of the people who knows people in this game and is interacting w/ them to develop reads." And the second line is kind of a garbage reason to be skeptical of someone, ish? And specifically picking out mbaki and parm is like "look at me, i can choose an arbitrary subset of people because i am Town and as Town i am interested in some players more than others" and etc.

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oh i'm getting on a plane tomorrow so i'll be "v/la" until saturday which really means i'll be pretty closely keeping up with the game and probably not posting as much because i'll be on phone and i really hate phoneposting.

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Yeah I know what you mean.

i don't think that kind of tell usually applies to groups that are smaller than like, 3-4. If he's scum, he sees a group of 5 people (including himself) in the "elaborate more" category, and i think his choice of people to list would be based more on activity than on who his scumbuddies are. Unless you're referring to something different.

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Or put another way it easily could be the case that that is a thing, but with a group that small I don't think it's worth using it as a significant piece of evidence. I can see it corroborating though.

GL/Parm s/s definitely wouldn't surprise me though I'm also definitely not gonna proselytize for it atm.

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i think it sometimes does and doesn't and my gut says it does in this situation.

if parm/mbaki/you(or maybe the other rc, it's ambiguous)/alonzo are all town, then he wouldn't have had a choice within the framework of picking a couple people from the "elaborate more" group other than town/town.


yeah that

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oh the "everyone else" is referring to your other pre-edit post carry on

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yeah i misunderstood that in 416 and then understood it correctly in 417

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No longer a fan of guiltylion as scum so much

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Maybe I like Alonzo as scum. His posts a few pages ago were p awkward.

I’d vote lovebird for the fact yes, but vote tags are just so laborious to type out on phone ),:

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Gotta say reality check is like a ridiculously bad choice of person to fake dayvig?

@taly, I don’t even remember what I was referring to with the hot garbage comment. I think I just didn’t really like any votes in particular or smth. Not sure what else it is you’re asking.

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Is the hot new scumteam Alonzo and Michael Scott?

Only time will tell

Also I think I managed to sleep basically from 1-2 am and 6-7:30 am last night argh yes thread you know you need my life story don’t lie to yourselves

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Michael Scott’s activity pattern so far feels scummy. I also don’t like their posts in the past two pages especially much.

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Like I mentioned I’m on phone (also not a ton of time to look closely at stuff) until Saturday evening. So not gonna explain anything in depth til then. In the mean time, you can assume any thought process anyone is asking about has an answer of “I did it on a whim”.

Also Michael Scott is still scum~~~~~~||||~~~~~

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Also for the person who asked when rc first mentioned alkzno scum i was meh. I’m much less meh on it now for reasons to be explained later maybe

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Oh yeah I’d love to hear Varsoon compare my play here to prey mafia bc I think it’s probably pretty starkly different and I can’t imagine him scumreading me in a way that isn’t related to his perception of my play compared to that game

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I’m not spewing right now, suffice to say the things have to do with the posting around that green whatever it was post

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Also liking Johnny English atm.

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Nope!

Neither time nor energy nor desire nor intent

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@Parmigianna Cheeseguy:

Didn't like Implosion's early posting and votes. They also hard walked away from conflict with me, too, which feels survivalistic and not in the interest of discerning my alignment.

Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.

Well, have you given them reason to not think that you are?

Don't believe I have. I wish I had the time and hooks to be as invested in this game as I want to be as town. I've tried some of my usual attempt but most have floundered.

I literally flew across the country sir how the hell am I “hard walking away” from conflict w you

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You’re also frankly not giving me a whole lot to engage with

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Consider my vote on Michael Scott.

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I have a lot to process and say when I’m on computer+have time tonight or tomorrow.

Alonzo is one of my most conflicted reads probably. But I’m absolutely not opposed to the wagon on him. I just feel like Michael Scott has had really terrible reactions to pressure and I think guiltylions post is getting at something real at the very least. I’ll again elaborate when I’m on computer.

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It's still implosion, folks.

Taly

would like more than this.

Responding to any post outside discussing a few people would greatly improve people's perception of you this game.

What do you think about

Implosion's

recent posts?

How do you feel about

Parm/Alonzo

wagons?

That's the problem, Taly; I don't care about people's perception of me (in general but also) in this game.

I think that Implosions earlier posts warrant more concern than more recent ones, but that this shift in game approach seems like a response to early pressure that has worked on their behalf.

Parm's wagon doesn't make sense to me. I don't see what Parm's done that merits being lynched. I've tried to ask people who I'm more familiar with and their answers haven't been satisfying.

Alonzo, I can get, but that's just cus the guy has a bit of an abrasive devil-may-care style to his posts. Dunno that it makes him scum.

Honestly, I'm fine with either flipping, given that they could be scum just playing in a way that doesn't ping to me and it'll give plenty of info that actually might drive my engagement towards scumhunting based on wagon comp. I just don't wanna be complicit in those lynches because then I get less information at the point of flip.

Varsoon like ive said eleven times my “shift in approach” is because I took a fucking plane to New Jersey and was more or less vla and only on mobile and now I’m taking a plane back

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So I’ve been sitting on the tarmac for 2 hours what’s the deal with your lives

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Because of all the content I’m going to post when I’m not vla and also all the content I posted before that and also the way in which I’ve been interacting with the game in the past two days so really every conceivable reason

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Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

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I’m gonna be kind of sad if rc is scum in this game because I think he actually does look town and I agree w all the town reads on him and it means if he is scum I actually can never try to read him again with any degree of confidence. At least not in this way.

In no order, I feel quite good about all of rc, rc, brig, gl as town. I’m inclined more weakly town on (also orderless) lovebird, frac, johnny.

That leaves a scumpool of Michael/Varsoon/khaki (not fixing this autocorrect bc it’s too good to)/Alonzo (though these four are all very different opinions which I will elaborate again when not mobile.) it also leaves a cheese pool of you know who

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Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

Absolutely

I fucking hate typing vote tags on mobile

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Rc you were supposed to get annoyed at how I listed cheeseface in my reads list what gives

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Parm you’re experiencing something called rc being snarky

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I didn't even read your post yet implo

)’;

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A computer is me!!!

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Order of business number one: Michael Scott. The biggest thing that feels off is the way he's responded to pressure. His responses remind me sort of distinctly of how I probably used to respond to pressure most of the times in games where I was moderately engaged as scum. His refutations are *purely* in the realm of logic. And that's kind of the problem; they feel disengaged from actually refuting the actual things people are seeing in him. In general his posting is almost obsessed with casing. He seems to categorically refuse to acknowledge as valid any reads that are not backed up by casework; see 691, 693, to lesser degrees 730, 766. I think that's a scum-ish pattern (unless he acts this way d1 in town games consistently) bc... not quite sure honestly. It's hard to explain exactly why I think that pattern is off.

I'm confident he's going to absolutely hate this case on him if he's town.

There's other things I don't like. GL mentioned 688 and I'd add the post after it. As town I don't think it's *actually* especially natural to have the progression of "I ISO'd X and have a strong townread" -> "I'm going to ask everyone that voted them about reasons as a first priority". I think this is because town will only really have this type of reaction if the person in question is being wagoned, or is a centralizing figure in the game; Fractured isn't really either of these, there were just a couple stray votes (iirc). The same thing applies to 693 because I think town's first reaction to getting a townread on someone is usually not *actually* to actively search for reasons they're wrong. It's to either call them town and then ignore them for a bit (because they don't need to focus on them), or to explain why they're town to people who they want to change the mind of... essentially for some reason this just feels like a disingenuous attempt to look like he's solving with people.

The activity point is actually really funny, because he admits his activity pattern has been bad (despite me not having explained why I thought it was bad) and then proceeds to do exactly the thing that I think is bad. I don't think low activity is scummy; the pattern I'm actually criticizing is that of popping into the thread for a period of time (maybe a few minutes, maybe a couple hours) and then disappearing for a longer stretch. I think someone recently (maybe it was rc?) mentioned that this kind of pattern is scummy, and I immediately realized "shit, i do this as scum a lot". It demonstrates very directly that someone wants to appear engaged in a game, but it is a lot more psychologically demanding as scum to muster up engagement throughout a day than it is to muster up engagement for a short burst of activity and then just let what happens happen. It's entirely possible that this isn't a real point but after responding to my activity point, he popped into the thread and posted very actively for like 3 hours, then didn't post for 12 hours, made one post, then didn't post for 24ish hours, then here we are now. The big thing here is having now had multiple days of sort of near-complete disengagement with the thread, despite being very engaged on certain other days. That to me doesn't jive as likely with "i'm town but am busy on some days" as it does with "i'm scum and am giving bursts of activity when I feel like I need to to be townread".

Actually typing this I'm curious if standard deviation of number of posts each day correlates with alignment well. Obviously there can be real life explanations (I for instance have one that I've given several times).

As for his other reaction to (GL's) pressure, we see 861:

this is a tremendously bad post, for the record

1 - everybody knows faking townreads as scum is easy. It also feels like unnatural/forced reasoning - "they're not playing how in this specific manner I would expect scum to play, therefore they're town"
2 - there was definite need to, because several people were scumreading them and voting them. like you're giving them town credit for doing something that either alignment would want to do to look town.

I have to think a townie - especially players of Auro/volxen caliber - would see that a scum!Fractured could fake this level of content so far and would have more paranoia than a "strong townread" after an ISO skim. this feels like a fabricated townread because they already decided previously that they didn't want to scumread Fractured slot

"They *could* do this as scum, hence you can't townread them for it!"

You ignore that:
1. It's an early AF townread which is obviously subject to re-evaluation.
2. Picking stances in this way is how I begin the game usually.
3. They townread virtually everyone in that RVS interaction IIRC and not just me, saying I townread them just for townreading me is disingenuous.

GL already gave a response to this but I have more to say.

First, tonally, this feels meh.

Second, like GL said, it's a strawman in a scummy way. It's ignoring the actual brunt of GL's read, which is a bad thing to pair with him constantly asking people for their reasons for reads. GL's point 1 was that it's forced reasoning that is easy to give as scum; michael scott saying "it's subject to re-evaluation" is not only a non-sequitur to GL's point here, but it's an extremely scummily defensive non-sequitur. He's accused of making up reasoning, and says "well, i might reconsider it later". I think it's clear why that just feels bad.

Point 2 I find less interesting.

Point 3, again as GL has already pointed out, MS's answer here is entirely non-sequitur. I actually have no clue whatsoever where MS got the idea that GL had been saying that he was townreading Fractured for townreading him (hoo boy that sure is a grammatical sentence i just typed out). Making something like that up out of thin air, I think, betrays a mindset.


I want to be clear about one thing though: all of this is sort of just back-justification for all of his posts just feeling really bad at first glance.

VOTE: Michael Scott
For the record, if he wants to respond to the above, he's welcome to; unless there is something interesting in his response, I am probably not going to respond to him, and will rather point out what that thing is to the crowd, so as to not potentially bog the thread.

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Re: other people in my "not-townreading" pool.

Varsoon has done literally nothing to demonstrate that he's town that I've seen and demands to be called town anyway. I have no material read on him.

mbaki feels sometimes like he's doing things that are convenient for scum to be doing at those times. There's not a whole lot here that's concrete. I don't really see any good reason to call him town. I like the sort of loose pressure that's been applied to him throughout the game.

Alonzo I've gone back and forth on gut-wise and I really want to just write him off as town for now so I will. His early stuff was really weird but probably just that, weird.

Parm is Parm

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There's also a whole lot in my case above that can easily be directly logically criticized. Like that activity thing. Lovebird sure does do that, but I'm townreading them!

Mafia is wholistic and everything there is relative to the impression I get of (auro)'s personality, though I haven't played with him; if a bunch of the things I listed there are things that are actually meta-neutral for that slot specifically, I'm all ears.

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I can potentially join you on parm. I just like, need to be convinced that the scummy shit they've done is actually scummy and not just on-face scummy. You could try to do this or I could try to do this later. Or possibly I just need more time to mull.

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I guess I should also say that if MS flips town, I'd start reconsidering on GL more heavily. A significant reason GL is in my high-tier townreads is because I really think the way he's called out that slot and the timings of it and the posts that he's seen things in are real (possibly mindmeldy but ugh that word ugh ugh)

The other half of it is iirc I really, really liked GL's reaction to my scumread on him.

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Actually, wasn't specifically to me. I really liked e.g. all of his posts from 495-501. I feel like that's a hard reaction to give well as scum, maybe. He looks genuinely just irritated, and irritated by things that would only really irritate town in that way.

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that's how i feel about parm.

or at least, that's how my innate paranoia feels about parm.

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Tbh I also kind of just want to see where a vc is at. If it's possible to get a momentum wagon on parm I'll probably happily sheep, modulo the fact that I really want to vote michael scott right now.

They should parry me and make this simpler!

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getting a ms wagon going will be a struggle. that's how you know it's a good wagon

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Yeah, it's still implosion, guys.

i think you're close to convincing me on this tbh

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varsoon: implosion walked away from conflict with me
implosion: *directly engages with varsoon, lists varsoon in set of 5 people that might be scum, criticizes him for doing nothing townish*
varsoon: pikachu_face.jpg.png

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cute how i really don't care about any of your posts in the game rn because they don't really matter because everyone else figured out i'm town 20 pages ago

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it doesn't. i'm just filled with a lot of snark.
It'd bother me if anyone was listening.

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My view of you in this game is basically trying to figure out if this kind of tactic is your kind of scum tactic, because it's the kind of thing that's probably pretty meta-dependent. Essentially, tunneling me in this pretending-to-convince-people-but-not-actually-putting-in-any-effort-to way is low utility as scum in the sense that it's not a good way to alter the state of the game, but it can be a solid way to coast through d1. Which maybe indicates that if you're scum you're happy w/ the state of the game which is maybe useful for associatives later. But I don't actually know if that's the kind of thing you do as scum with just a sample size of prey mafia, and you've given me literally 0 avenue to meaningfully interact with you (the one time i tried to you completely dismissed the point i was making and then went back to your ways) and so you've given me 0 incentive to try to interact with you.

If you want to change that i'd be happy to; i'd love a chance to actually sort you. It just doesn't seem like you really care about making yourself sortable.

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Please expand on why you think needing people to case their wagons for you is a scum lean? I'm not sure I particularly see the "purely logic based part of it." I definitely see reasoning for this to lean a certain way, but your case didn't particularly sell me on this point and I don't want to put words in your mouth before discussing.

I checked and the votes quoted by Michael Scott here were the third and fourth on the wagon, respectively. How does this affect your read?

It's a hard thing to explain what I mean effectively. It boils down to being an easy retort to give as scum that makes it look a lot like he's doing gamesolving type things, but that isn't really the way that most town players consistently operate in the world we live in now. It feels somewhat closer to scum emulating gamesolving than actual gamesolving.

A lot of his play around suspicion on him feels like he's repeatedly going "a-ha, this reason to suspect me is actually invalid!" in a way that doesn't actually meaningfully engage with people, doesn't actually refute the points they were making, doesn't try to sort them. He's asking questions or making statements that don't lead anywhere interesting.

as for the votes being late on the wagon, the point still at least partially stands because when Michael Scott made that post asking me and mbaki to explain our votes, mbaki and one of the other people on the wagon (not me) had unvoted and I'd speculated about voting elsewhere.

To be clear, I don't feel sold on this scumread yet. I feel good enough to push it but I'm definitely not tunneling yet; I still have some reservations but they're nonspecific.

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Agree that fractured post is scummy.

Very, very skeptical of the way parm claimed being viewed as particularly towny.

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eh i was planning to just accrue enough activity today to get townread and then coast the rest of the game if that works equally well

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eh

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I dont think scum claims there

this post in particular is... really sketchy, right?
Like, mbaki's last few pages are generally kinda bad but why the hell does he townread this so much.
I started writing this post before seeing the above post ftr

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when did i call you not giving a shit scum or town indicative

also i don't really give a shit about you threatening me and it's kind of funny that you think i would?

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why would i push you when michael scott is obvscum

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Everything that was posted overnight is remarkably boring ):

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you're fucking high if you think that brigitte says something as stupid as 'i townread you but still feel like you are trying to manipulate me' regarding my actions there.

I wish
lmao

here we see more townposting from guiltylion

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lovebird's varsoon speculation is townish.

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Well it could be clever scum move too in principle. Shrug.

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i think i'm willing to rethink brigitte at this point

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Ank, can you be explicit about your current individual opinion on Brigitte?

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RC parried RC's Brigitte vote, then voted Brigitte herself

RC parried RC's vote for RC's neighbor, then RC voted RC's neighbor

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okay i never actually had any good reason to townread brigitte

Unvote

VOTE: Brigitte
eventually something in this game will happen

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I also feel better about radcow town than everyone else but GL and the reache probably.

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That said if MS is scum then possible 1 scum on a 4 person wagon isn't exactly like, particularly noteworthy wagon comp.

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okay i typed out "the other rc" and then decided to be clever and say reache instead of radcow and i accidentally didn't delete the "the" and i'm confident someone is going to be perplexed at this so here i am

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i actually completely forgot you were on the wagon. weird. i think i saw reality check and michael scott on it, saw that i was the fourth vote, and had assumed that radcow was the last one and forgot he got parried.

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i looked at the wagon comp, looked at gl's post, and spaced out.

let me tell you about all of the reasons i would have to lie about this as scum.

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gdi.

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who wants to play some IN THREAD TIC TAC TOE

and by IN THREAD TIC TAC TOE i mean running someone up to l-0

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let it be known, now and forever, that i was on the d1 scum lynch and radiantcowbells was not

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parry RadiantCowbells

Excuses, excuses.

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No, but I'm willing to be told why you think it.

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ooh

do u want to know why

I

think it?

i mean i don't specifically *want* to but i similarly have no objection to knowing

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you're fucking high if you think that brigitte says something as stupid as 'i townread you but still feel like you are trying to manipulate me' regarding my actions there.

I wish
lmao

Still think this is an unlikely thing to be posted by scum, possibly slightly more so in light of brigitte's flip.

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if I just had a green check on Michael Scott or RadCow right now I'd feel so much better about a Brigitte vote

This is pretty sketchy in light of a red flip.

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cases are scummy and anyone who makes any should be voted for unconditionally.

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nah.

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ftr my calling brig strongly town revolved 100% around her claim + ReCh calling her town early which is why after i stopped spacing out i was happy to wagon her

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and yeah rc is town

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i don't have reads right now. I linked that bc it's the case i made to point out the irony.

I need to reevaluate him in light of his position on the wagon.

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I'm doc, I saved RC last night

votes off me please

why the fastclaim, and flavor, and which rc

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Also Reality Check must be town right? Is mafia having a neighborhood with mafia a thing?

It can be but i'd be surprised if they're scum.

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I'm content to just chill and see how the day develops for now~

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I actually am more conflicted on MS than I was yesterday. Part of that might just be getting a scumflip and baseline odds of a given person being scum going down but -shrug-.

I need to reevaluate him more or less. I feel like his play today is pretty solid so far. His brig vote is very neutral.

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this game is just a goddamn something.

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I like the plan of sort creature/lovebird as first priorities, though.

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I mean there’s a part of me that is happy to just vote lovebird, get the day over with

Fortunately there is another stronger part of me that tries to maximize the amount of human suffering in the world

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i'll vote for creature after he uses whatever scum weird parry ability he has that varsoon was softing on radiantcowbells instead of me (:

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i prefer "pragmatist"

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VOTE: Creature

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you're at effectively l-3 you aren't hammered

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i cannot ):

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this game got really boring really quickly

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maybe, but maybe we should give it another day or two just to let the stagnation stagnate a bit longer

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Are people feeling good about creature or is he just posting and therefore less interesting to wagon than lovebird?

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also @dunn your votecount has yesterday's deadline :X

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i actually felt kind of bad on mbaki-town a few days ago but didn't say anything bc i really didn't want to deal with his shit when i did.

I feel kind of better about him as town now, for no discernible reason.

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consider my vote on alonzo for the purpose of the x for which he intends to claim at l-x

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to paraphrase my previous post,
VOTE: alonzo
l-something

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what are your reads even atm enter

Town:

RC
RC
GL
Parmesan

nothing ai => scum
mbaki
JE

scum
alonzo

who
creature
lovebird

:'(

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don't lie
you fucking forgot
just like you forgot my birthday

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everything in the last 5-10 pages is hot hot garbage

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everything in the past ~90 pages is hot hot garbage good night

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VOTE: creature

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no one has been pushing or voting you

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Oh no, I neglected poor Tyler the seal, now he's cold and lost and hungry and lonely and sad, and now he's acting out.... I'm sorry Tyler, Papa Johnny had to go on a top secret MI6 mission high up the mountains in the Swiss Alps... but I'm here now. I'll take care of you, I won't leave you again, I promise.

can anyone really think that JE is scum after posts like this???

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[bold]fos: fractured[/bold]

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I kinda don't think MS is scum anymore, but my reasons for thinking that are the kinds of reasons that often wind up being wrong. So I can't trust them meaningfully. But yeah i still don't see any material reason creature is town.

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i, too, am others.

VOTE: Creature

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I already scumread performer lol

but you've never been wrong about lovebird in the history of mafia!

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by wildly voting for people until it ends and hoping for the best

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Breaking Hats is better

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I really should stop shitposting in this game at some point but there's like no reason to :\

can we just kill one of the slots that has consistently not been in anyone's townbloc, e.g. creature or performer or something. I'd settle for fractured or ms or alonzo too. Or probably most other players. We have like 3 mislynches to work with ffs let's make the poe pool less annoying

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yknow it just occured to me that i haven't posted today yet and damn this is underwhelming

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i will probably literally move my vote to whoever has the most votes every time a votecount is posted.

Also i'll be v/la tomorrow-saturday in much the same way as my previous v/la (phoneposting, particularly probably almost nothing on friday)

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My thought process for performer is this game is slow as fuck.

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I’ll vote performer tomorrow maybe who knows

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What the fuck lmao

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I considered fake claiming a public roleblock at one point bc there was nothing else to do

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Oh hey rc got the nidhogg rapier. Neat.

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My other one was eliwood’s bc I couldn’t think of anything even vaguely creative.