Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Okay I'm here now, what's up?

[Varsoon]

I'm not singing either.

[Varsoon]

What's in a name, Alonzo?

[Varsoon]

Who should I be voting and why?
And I got the rapier that has no blade, so I can't vote.

[Varsoon]

Okay, that's a lie, I can totally vote, I am a freaking sword, alright.
But I don't know who deserves my blade.

[Varsoon]

But for what purpose?
Also
Good luck tunneling moi

[Varsoon]

Why is there a chain in this game
it is rapier game
not chaingame

but seriously explain

[Varsoon]

Everyone's got two Alts right next to their spacebar so I don't see why you gotta be hostile about it.

[Varsoon]

Explain Reality Check scum read?

[Varsoon]

Hey, how'about we move beyond all that garbage and try to have fun in this game without making things personal?

Also, I can't see images while at work, so please don't rely on content relayed through images.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Implosion
Parry me first, senpai.

[Varsoon]

En Garde!

[Varsoon]

I should'a probably hydra'd this game, having trouble keeping up.
Anyway.
Didn't read the last handful of pages,
Radiant, are you still replacing out? I think you've been really pleasant to play with this game, comparatively, for what it's worth.

[Varsoon]

Think Varsoon might be scum.

Think Implo is almost definitely town.

Defend both of these positions.
Also, why a lackluster/no push on me if you think I'm scum?
We haven't interacted at all, so why are you coming to any conclusion about my alignment?
Your judgments in this post all feel very concrete but without evidence for why you make them.
I still think Implo is scum here.
I'm still voting there.
Fight me, literally.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon I think you're town but I also think implosion's town

can I sell you onto Fractured instead

Start selling, maybe?

Also Varsoon I just read your ISO and I retract my lackluster/no push. But not being able to vote would be a pretty severe handicap for a town role.

Nah, I can vote unless I get disarmed or something.

[Varsoon]

In those games, was I working Overtime while also active in at least two other mafiascum threads, too?

[Varsoon]

Yeet hard
I was mostly just seeing if I could bait someone into moving on me for claiming voteless, because I do have a neato role.

[Varsoon]

@Fractured: You called me scum and I missed it. Been skimming this game. I'll be honest, skimmed that post. Read the first few lines, saw you mentioning players, looked for my name like a cynic, and then stopped reading there to write this response.

I don't think Fractured is scum.
Hot take, I know.

[Varsoon]

I'm pretty sure we're one and done with Implosion, actually factually.

[Varsoon]

Oh yeah I’d love to hear Varsoon compare my play here to prey mafia bc I think it’s probably pretty starkly different and I can’t imagine him scumreading me in a way that isn’t related to his perception of my play compared to that game

I probably wouldn't because
1. Meta a shit
2. My memory a shit
3. I don't really see a comparison


Also man, come fight me Johnny English
Tired of all you chumps angling on me but no one laying votes
What are you scared of? Rapier supersaint? FIGHT ME.

[Varsoon]

I've read less than 1/5 the posts in this game.
If I'm falling off a bus, it's a short one.

[Varsoon]

I can't make the first move if I can't vote.

@Fractured: Respond to what, though?

[Varsoon]

Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.

[Varsoon]

@Parmigianna Cheeseguy:

Didn't like Implosion's early posting and votes. They also hard walked away from conflict with me, too, which feels survivalistic and not in the interest of discerning my alignment.

Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.

Well, have you given them reason to not think that you are?

Don't believe I have. I wish I had the time and hooks to be as invested in this game as I want to be as town. I've tried some of my usual attempt but most have floundered.

[Varsoon]

I can't make the first move if I can't vote.

@Fractured: Respond to what, though?

Thoughts on mbaki. You haven't posted any, as far as I'm aware.

I like saying mmmmmbaki.
Feels funny to say
MMMMMbaki

Reminds me of Umbasa.

Anyway those dudes seem town enough.

[Varsoon]

Why's the CHEESE a scum flip, Radiant?

[Varsoon]

I haven't been wagoned, though, Radiant.
Does that make me a scum dog millionaire?

[Varsoon]

I thought you were someone else that used to use a Hobbes avatar.

[Varsoon]

It's still implosion, folks.

[Varsoon]

Can't a dude just feel good about a read?
Like damn
I could make a whole case but it'd be contrived
I got the good feels
I don't need to justify that shit
You have eyes
Look at Implosion's play
Decide for yourself
Don't rely on some other fucker to do all the work for you
C'mon

[Varsoon]

RadiantC, how come you ignore when I turn the tables?

Why's the CHEESE a scum flip, Radiant?

the posts that i already addressed as super good reasons to scumread them + the fact that, as i pointed out, everyone but them keeps getting wagoned

I haven't been wagoned, though, Radiant.
Does that make me a scum dog millionaire?

GL why don't you vote parmigiana with me

Did you just like go
"Oh shit forget this convo, gonna try to get someone else to sheep my wagon on cheeseguy."

[Varsoon]

That's cool, man, just felt like I poked a hole in your argument and you just dodged to try to find support elsewhere, y'know?

[Varsoon]

It's still implosion, folks.

Taly

would like more than this.

Responding to any post outside discussing a few people would greatly improve people's perception of you this game.

What do you think about

Implosion's

recent posts?

How do you feel about

Parm/Alonzo

wagons?

That's the problem, Taly; I don't care about people's perception of me (in general but also) in this game.

I think that Implosions earlier posts warrant more concern than more recent ones, but that this shift in game approach seems like a response to early pressure that has worked on their behalf.

Parm's wagon doesn't make sense to me. I don't see what Parm's done that merits being lynched. I've tried to ask people who I'm more familiar with and their answers haven't been satisfying.

Alonzo, I can get, but that's just cus the guy has a bit of an abrasive devil-may-care style to his posts. Dunno that it makes him scum.

Honestly, I'm fine with either flipping, given that they could be scum just playing in a way that doesn't ping to me and it'll give plenty of info that actually might drive my engagement towards scumhunting based on wagon comp. I just don't wanna be complicit in those lynches because then I get less information at the point of flip.

[Varsoon]

Can't say that I could provide a clear-cut throughline for anyone's thought process this game. I'm not that engaged. It's also probably why I'm still on implosion--I don't think I could justify joining a different wagon and if the wagon flipped, I wouldn't really shore up my alignment for others because of how passionless my vote there would be.

[Varsoon]

My implo vote wasn't RVS.
I don't usually RVS.
Like I always have intent with my vote.

@Implo: That's fair, man, but I still have doubts about your align independent of that shift.

@Taly: CONGRATS!!!~

[Varsoon]

I'm sure my vote there isn't doing much but I don't want to commit it to something I don't believe in.

What sort of work do you want to do?

[Varsoon]

Oops, almost pulled an

Alyssa

there.

You admit you're not all that engaged. Talk to me about mbaki. Serious town read?

Also GuiltyLion. I've noticed you haven't said anything about him really at all this game.

Serious town read. Radiant and you are also town, from what I can tell.

Guilty Lion is inoffensive and I don't really recall most their positions. They haven't done anything I've noticed and thought "I have to say something about that!"
Same probably goes for a lot of people, though, like Bridgette and other folks I probably forgot are in the game.

[Varsoon]

When I am waiting for planes, I play Heroes of Might and Magic 3 on my laptop.

[Varsoon]

I don't think those slots are town, though, GL. Like, not lock-town at least.
It's D1. I'm alright with a green flip on someone most people are drawing question marks over if it gets us good info.
If that's a shitty way to play, well, yeah, I'm Varsoon.

[Varsoon]

Ya'll are all super off-base
The reality is that I'm town and ya'll are either angling me up as scum because you want some gullible townies to be the ones to finally vote me when I've outright claimed super saint.
Or you've all got really poor judgment and think I'm scum because you're bad at taking things at face value.
Can't say.
What I can say is that I don't appreciate people being like "Lol look at varsoon playing scummy" but not voting me.
It feels like you're saying "I know Varsoon is town, but here is a way I can cast his actions as scummy. Someone please believe me."

[Varsoon]

Okay, then prove your towniness.




With a dance-off.

[Varsoon]

hey varsoon what's your favorite town in homm3

Seeing as I've got a hydra on this site named after Jabarkas, it's probably Stronghold.
I used to like Necropolis and Castle a ton as a kid, but I've grown out of that. While Dungeon and Tower are also really cool, they're so resource-dependent that if your early map roll isn't favorable, you could just not have some units until several weeks in and that feels bad. Stronghold only need crystal. Stronghold get Behemoth week 1 if want to. Yeah, they're a pretty early-game shining faction, as the level 3 mage guild can really suck and a lot of their early units get outpaced once you get into mid-game, but given that I usually play medium and large maps with no subterranean or ocean and I tend to capture another town pretty quickly, these issues aren't as big a problem. I think all the factions are actually cool and have a place in the game, unlike HoMM2's towns--even Rampart, who has some of the highest gold effective spending on units (and besides the Armorer hero, Mephala, who is nutty good), even Fortress who can dominate mid-game if you play your units smart, and even Inferno, but you've gotta lean kinda heavy on Fire Magic Mastery and knowing some tricks that feel a little exploitative. The only town I can say that I outright don't like is Conflux--I hate fighting them, I think they're not as visually or gameplay interesting as anyone else, and I don't have as much fun playing them either. They're unbalanced in a way that's not all that fun. I often play with the WoG modded content so I can actually just make them never appear as neutral towns and I often do that. Speaking of mods, I haven't played it yet but I'm really excited about The Succession Wars mod for homm3, which seeks to make 2 essentially run on 3's engine, with many of the same towns 3 has. It's neat stuff. But yeah, I like playing most the towns, though I tend to gravitate towards Stronghold, Tower, and Rampart more than others. Now, I say all that, but here are my highscores since I've had to re-install on a new laptop about 2 years ago and haven't had as much time to play the game on my own:


What's your favorite?

[Varsoon]

Excuse me, that's himym3, totally different obsession that I don't have.

[Varsoon]

You just gotta ask the right questions, y'know?

[Varsoon]

I think Michael Scott's probably town and I like mmmbaki.
Who the fuck is lovebird, even, parmigianoreggy?

[Varsoon]

Yeah, it's still implosion, guys.

[Varsoon]

Cute how your direct engagement and scumread of me don't come with a vote, my g.

[Varsoon]

Doesn't really seem to be the case.
You can keep insisting you're town and 'everyone has figured that out' but it's not true in any sense.

[Varsoon]

I get the feeling you don't actually think it's cute and you're just trying to discredit me.

[Varsoon]

Yeah I don't believe you actually find it endearing whatsoever that I'm still pushing you.

[Varsoon]

Unless you mean 'cute' in a way that belittles and seeks to make my voice less significant, but, oh, man, that sounds a lot like a scum tactic that would be used to suffocate outlying town voices that are right.
Why does my push on you bother you so much?

[Varsoon]

Scum's who's got to make themselves seem 'sortable'. As town, I'm fine to just play and not manufacture 'sortable' rhetoric.

[Varsoon]

Given no one's voting me at all and just trying to scum-paint me, I think I'm doin' fine enough.
I think more important parts of being town is being able to lead lynches onto scum, even if people don't believe you're locktown at all.
Yeah, if I wanted to draw the scum night kill, I'd probably try to amp myself into an unassailable position, but I'm not really looking to do that.

[Varsoon]

Nah, you should probably vote for scum instead.
I'm good with scum voting for me, though.
Definitely not because I'm a wagon sensor or anything like that.

[Varsoon]

People's points are usually completely vacant or "You aren't engaging with other players/playing the game"
And like, yeah, didn't know that totally arbitrary act was what made people town.

[Varsoon]

^ To be fair, I think people have actually laid out far more of a case for MS than for me, where I feel my post above is particularly true so
People have just been kind of vacant with their lousy pushes all of D1.

[Varsoon]

Radiant's pretty good at that regardless of align, Fractured.
That's just kinda their M.O.

[Varsoon]

Like I def wouldn't take that as a tell.

[Varsoon]

Didn't read the last 10 pages.
What'd I miss?

[Varsoon]

oh, man, that sounds a lot like a scum tactic that would be used to suffocate outlying town voices that are right.

it could just as easily be a town tactic used to suffocate scum voices

Marginalizing voice is never a town tactic because town needs content to gauge alignments.

[Varsoon]

Also it's probably likely that scum doesn't have sword flavor.

[Varsoon]

They're not swords. They could be, like, 'Rapiers', but not swords.
I DON'T KNOW, MICHAEL.

[Varsoon]

Nah, man, I just know for sure the scum have a good chance of not being swords.

[Varsoon]

Hey man, when you've got scum, you hold onto that nugget.

[Varsoon]

Aw man, GL asked like everyone BUT me to look at MS.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, you said I'm probably town, wanna talk about how you arrived there?
Changed your mind on hearing the cases on me?

Eh, your approach reminded me of how you guys usually are.
Maybe it's just in me to default read your tone as town, though?
You don't give me the heebie jeebies but I am curious why other people are spooked by you.

what's your snap read on Varsoon

*snap* I hear that guy is cool
*snap snap* But also a total suckshit baby at this game

[Varsoon]

But who knows. Varsoon's play reminds me of Excalibur for some reason, I've seen him recently pretty passionate as town

I liked the part in Excalibur where town went along with scum boldfaced lying fake claims in-thread.

I really do wish I was more engage with this game but I'm also like
Do I really want that at the expense of getting angry at this game?
It's just D1. We can chill and lynch at the bad dudes and big shrugs if it's a townflip.

[Varsoon]

In the Newbie game, I didn't have enough a baseline for your rhetoric.
I am fairly unsure of my ability to really figure if you're scum or not--I have problems reading your tone. You do a lot of AI things that I would normally read one way or another for other players but for you I know it's AI, like a lot of the mechanic spec and informed justification of wagoning.

[Varsoon]

@Reality Check/@Parm/@mbaki can you guys vote here

maybe, I think I am currently voting scum though.

Parry : Parmigiano Reggiano

Makes that decision easier on you.

[Varsoon]

I think you said that before, in a game, didn't you? The underachieving thing, I mean.

[Varsoon]

Maybe.
I have really bad memory when it comes to this game.
I play best off the cuff and engaging in the moment.
I probably should rescind from signing up for games for awhile and step back into designing and running games while only ever playing one ongoing and taking notes.

[Varsoon]

Welp, I think I just ate a ban.
Have fun, guys.
Sorry for being a piece of shit.