Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[Enigma]

hi all

[Enigma]

hi ofrhz

[Enigma]

hi all

hi ofrhz

Why no vote?

i forgot sorry

[Enigma]

everyone just keep figuring out the game for me thanks

+1

/popcorn

[Enigma]

sorry forgot about this, will get to this tonight!

[Enigma]

Thought we'd be out of rvs by now. Game is remarkably slow for a large.

I know right? It's quite refreshing. Anyway
VOTE: Vedith
Free towncred if anyone can spot the same glaring scumtell I saw.

Thought we'd be out of rvs by now. Game is remarkably slow for a large.

I know right? It's quite refreshing. Anyway
VOTE: Vedith
Free towncred if anyone can spot the same glaring scumtell I saw.

I can see at least one: he seems pretty eager to get out of RVS by pushing

any

wagon. Plus calling ausuka town based on her posts so far seems like a marginal scum information tell considering that I see no reason to TR her at this point

Hey look someone got it. Bingo! Vedith would not really care if we were in RVS or not as town. The way Ausuka is posting isn't really towny. It's pretty basic. Feels like Tmi~

So I was trying to figure out this scumtell before I read this post:
the capitalisation on the "Looks" ... kinda like he wrote something tmi then deleted it and replaced it with looks? he doesn't capitalise mid-sentence anywhere else. yep, im so awesome at catching scum. thanks all

also, ausuka wagon bores me, though she isn't acting super townie

Ausuka Looks town.

[Enigma]

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

why this list of people (enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz), as opposed to the other 10+ players who aren't voting you - noting that ofrhz and me haven't even been active in the game?

[Enigma]

Top poster 20 minutes into joining the game

I am Locktown

Yeah, no.

Spamming =/= town. In fact, if it weren't for you replacing in and catching up, I'd say you'd be pretty scummy for trying this tactic.

You know what, fuck it, even for a replace in that spam seemed like you were trying to seem overly towny.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

I quite liked his spam

I don't like your vote

[Enigma]

I'll kill you tonight

Statistically, people who scumclaim in jest tend to be scum

Then vote me?

Why? I'm voting fuscosco cos I have reasons to scumread them too.

But you know what? I'm fed up of people using this stupid move to shut down discussion so I'll bite

VOTE: vedith

but his scumclaim its even in his sig ...

[Enigma]

will vote later nap time bye

[Enigma]

Why this list of people (enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz), as opposed to the other 10+ players who aren't voting you

Because:

who feel kind of like they're holding back.

Of that

noting that ofrhz and me haven't even been active in the game?

Yes, that's what he said in his initial post

Your quote tags are off.
Also, ummmmm because being busy irl = scummy? Its far from holding back

[Enigma]

That looks pretty scummy coming from Enigma

That looks pretty scummy from you

[Enigma]

Also, ummmmm because being busy irl = scummy? Its far from holding back

OK, but you didn't say that, you acted like they had no reasoning whatsoever and asked for their reasoning

That looks pretty scummy coming from Enigma

That looks pretty scummy from you

Explain it

Uhh yeh but I just asked a question to clarify what was written plus i realise i read the post badly now and that there were two different statements

2nd part - probs just omgus

[Enigma]

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

[Enigma]

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

Made a terrible reason to jump on a terrible wagon

[Enigma]

431 doesn't answer 366

Saying omgus doesn't mean anything... they didn't interact with me before I said they were scummy there

There was no question in 366 and you were just throwing shade where you could

[Enigma]

oh

@mod that's 5 ppl voting me

also, nothing to respond for those who are just throwing votes on me without any reasoning or questions

[Enigma]

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

Made a terrible reason to jump on a terrible wagon

what do you think of elsa's vote on you?

Elsa's ISO is so contentless it huts my eyes

[Enigma]

^actually just mainly pretending that elsa doesn't exist

[Enigma]

You're only looking at Enigma at a surface level and that's what you're accusing me of doing

They pop in when I mess up the post # when it's clear what I'm talking about and still don't respond to it

You overestimate how much effort im willing to put into responding to you

[Enigma]

^also, i generally pop in once a day to the site unless im out for the evening which is a couple of time each week ... its pretty regular
plus my response is in 529

[Enigma]

Enigma is popping in just to look busy

They've dodged answering a question for about a week now

I’ve responded to your question - insisting won’t get you a different answer kbye

[Enigma]

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

Made a terrible reason to jump on a terrible wagon

what do you think of elsa's vote on you?

Elsa's ISO is so contentless it huts my eyes

^actually just mainly pretending that elsa doesn't exist

this doesn't really answer my question tho

why was starwing's vote worse than elsa's?

Mainly because I just zone out people like elsa because I can't read them. So I really don't try to interact with them because I don't think it will generate anything useful. Starwing's vote I explained above

[Enigma]

If we lynch a townie... Well that's normal and we look and see who on the wagon are freeloaders and question them throughly.

Hey why don't you make an assumption that I'm town and do that today?

Anyways, the wagon on me is a joke so the value you'll get out of it after I flip is minimal. No one else outside of Dunn has asked me a question, and I'm not going to go out of my way to interact with a lame as game state to try to earn town points

[Enigma]

nah youre wrong
why bother making an effort if town are just fucking around prodging and jumping on derp wagons

why don't you try scumhunting if you are so keen - say i flip town, tell me whos scum on my wagon and why

[Enigma]

why

[Enigma]

cool

1. whats your read on elsa
2. if im town, does this read change

[Enigma]

why claim when you said it won't convince you?
lovely logic there

why is defeated town bad to have around? is it unforeseeable that they could bounce back the following days?

[Enigma]

Enigma is at L-2 with 5 days on the clock. A claim would be nice.

I'm just waiting for a claim, really. But in a Non-Reviewed game... It ain't going to do much to convince me.

nah youre wrong
why bother making an effort if town are just fucking around prodging and jumping on derp wagons

That sounds a little bit like defeated scum. Or defeated town. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

But a defeated town is not a good town to have around. And a defeated scum is a scum that saves us the trouble of gathering evidence so we can focus on harder scum to find afterward.

Also didn't even bother claiming, so I'm fine with this lynch. The 100% Elsa seal of approval.

Well a defeated town could bounce back. An uncooperative town however, isn't worth the hassle. Which you're being.

And I didn't ever say claim for just me. Perhaps the 6 other people on your wagon? Or just for TOWN in general?

hi. pop quiz - can you see all the contradictions in your posts?

[Enigma]

Enigma, why do you think Wisdom is pushing your wagon?

not sure

he's either lazy town or scum going for an easy mislynch. the value of d1 is to make associatives from the various wagons and discussions happening - this is not existent in this game so my flip barely provides any info and this is something good for scum

i disagree with his read of who might be scum on my wagon

maria and vedith

imo scum would make more of an effort to make a valid reason to jump on the wagon, whereas maria and vedith are quite the opposite

[Enigma]

its not about "town tries" or "scum tries"
its about the specifics person
If they try as town, theyll try as scum so they look town
If they dont try as town, they wont try as scum so they look town
Its not black and white

played with -
vedith yes
maria no

you still haven't explained why you think vedith and maria are the scum on my wagon

[Enigma]

Sad that we're losing time lolygagging when the deadline approaches. I wanted us to get more information.

Sigh

We also only get 10 days for every following day. Atleast this game will keep a decent pace.

If the people on my wagon or the non-voters can move their votes over that'd be great. Obviously Enigma wont claim until L-1, if even then. So let's atleast be ready so we don't no lynch day 1.

not interested in claiming sorry

what information will you get from my wagon? most people on my wagon haven't even made a reason to be on it, there are pretty much zero associatives you'll get from my wagon, and most the game is just afk anyways. you are making it sound like ohh if i get mislynched, it wasn't so bad because we get info from it. nice.

btw
VOTE: elsa
more interested in you being lynched than me

[Enigma]

Umm there are quite a few afk votes on me too .. get off your high horse

[Enigma]

When I flip town can you two lynch yourselves for being bad players ?

[Enigma]

If Scum have a roleblocker or something you basically ruined my chances of confirming myself. Big thanks to everyone here, particularly Enigma.

Sigh

Atleast we're killing scum now. So I guess I'll take it.

Am I scum or unhelpful town - please clarify. If tomorrow ends up being - ohh I got roleblocked how convenient then lynch their face.

How’s this - I watch you tonight to see if you get roleblocked.

[Enigma]

Are you one or multiple shot

[Enigma]

I’ll hammer myself if you are multiple shot.

[Enigma]

If Scum have a roleblocker or something you basically ruined my chances of confirming myself. Big thanks to everyone here, particularly Enigma.

Sigh

Atleast we're killing scum now. So I guess I'll take it.

Why would I out anything elsa at this point to scum? I'm already as screwed by claiming so early.

So I've essentially offered you an opportunity to confirm yourself as town, outside of any roleblock or nightkill mechanic. I said I would self-hammer if you are able to confirm yourself outside of a roleblock event due to having multiple shots and my watcher value on you is then pointless.

By your reasoning should be a win-win for you - you aren't screwed by having to claim because there is still the opportunity to use your role (and scum can't kill/rb you) or if you are only indeed single shot then I would self-hammer and would flip scum according to your beliefs.

1. Why haven't you even considered this or responded to my offer?
2. Why did you feel the need to crumb your role at a time when you were in no danger of being lynched, and your night actions could essentially confirm that role?

[Enigma]

This is why claiming is such a bad idea ... lol

[Enigma]

Hi guys. Sorry moving house these next few days so VLA till Tuesday. Will still be around but won’t be able to post in detail.

[Enigma]

hi full disclosure

i lied yesty, im not a watcher
am actually a doc
also, still not scum

if a town vig claims the ausuka shot, i can share who i protected

[Enigma]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Enigma]

and why would i just admit i lied d1 if i was scum? derppp

[Enigma]

i could have just lied and made one based on all the n1 claims people have made?

[Enigma]

or i could have just lurked and avoided answering until it was safe enough ... or i could have claimed rbed
there are 100 better ways scum!me could have played it

[Enigma]

the watcher claim was intended to assess the validity of elsa's claim and discourage anyone from rbing her

[Enigma]

If it’s a town vig on Ausuka then it could potentially provide a clear so waiting for that

[Enigma]

If it’s a town vig on Ausuka then it could potentially provide a clear so waiting for that

Right youre full of shit because the ideal would be to prot elsa.

why the fuck would i protect elsa?

if elsa dies she is conf!town
if elsa doesn't die she is conf!town

plus scum wouldnt target elsa after my watcher claim without at least wasting a rb or nk on me (and why would they when im lynchbait)

[Enigma]

plus scum wouldnt target elsa after my watcher claim without at least wasting a rb or nk on me (and why would they when im lynchbait)

If they believed you would be on Elsa as watcher why not believe you are on Elsa as doc?

umm because they didnt know i was doc and fakeclaimed watcher?

idc whatever policy vig me for fake claiming
lynching me is stupid and you'll get nothing from the wagon

[Enigma]

Wait, I specifically had said Ofrhz would be on me last night. I expected a Watcher to either watch someone elsa or confirm "No Result" on me and knowing Ofrhz's claim being legitimate. Fake claiming Watcher didn't help in the slightest. It hurt, actually.

This is why we don't believe fake claims day 1 and let them live another day.

But his actions doesn't really excuse Chen though. So him first.

how did it hurt you?
you got your friendly neighbour off - stop whinging

[Enigma]

No just being transparent and anti town to keep lying

[Enigma]

Then you can bask in glory of being a terrible town vig - unless you’re scum then you would be NKing me rather than vig
Maybe better - you can just go back to being afk

[Enigma]

That specific lie stopped me being lynched d1 (mislynch) and got scum lynched instead

[Enigma]

Whatever there is zero scum motivation for my actions and I’m bored of repeating that when ppl are too daft to critically think otherwise
When I flip you can just realise how bad u are at the game

Pedit: you give me too much credit ank

[Enigma]

How does it make sense when this game is not reviewed or balanced???

[Enigma]

hello! this is the signups thread for

Non-Reviewed Game

, a mafia game that has not been reviewed. in fact, no one was ever able to see the full setup before it existed! this setup was collaboratively created by the currently active members of the Normal Review Group (mastina, callforjudgement, implosion, Performer, BulletNLynchproof, RadiantCowbells, and schadd_) in the following way: each member designed three town roles and one mafia role. then, a 17-player setup was created with 13 town roles and 4 mafia roles, with at least one role designed by each person. each of the seven members were given explicit permission to get as weird as they wanted with these roles, or to keep them completely normal, or do anything in between. this game might be full of bastard elements, or it might be completely normal -- there's no way to be sure.

please be aware that this game might be totally unbalanced, because no one involved in the process of creating it ever saw more than a fraction of the complete thing.

by default, this game will feature a 14-day deadline for day 1 and a 10-day deadline for each subsequent day.

there's not a lot more that needs to be said, so here's a list of everyone who's signed up so far:

1. Wisdom
   
2. Elsa Jay
   
3. light_ganski
   
4. Ausuka
   
5. Vedith
   
6. wilky
   
7. Clemency
   
8. StarwingBeauvoi
   
9. Sabrina LeCutie
   
10. ofrhz
    
11. demonlord
    
12. Gamma Emerald
    
13. Enigma
    
14. davesaz
    
15. MariaR
    
16. Fuscosco
    
17. Dunnstral

[Enigma]

I don’t think that’s how the setup works Elsa

[Enigma]

nope sorry youre wrong there

[Enigma]

yawn

[Enigma]

Afk

[Enigma]

VOTE: chen

[Enigma]

can i hammer,
whoops too late

[Enigma]

Spoiler: present for everyone after my flip

[Enigma]

shoot who ever you want idc
if its me, then im winning bc i no longer have to deal with this irrational tunnelling on me

[Enigma]

shoot enigma and ofhrz and bring us victory

by us, you mean scum yeh?

[Enigma]

Shoot enigma for quickhammering

Don't let that slide

shoot your face for being you

[Enigma]

i dont mind being killed, its more that people who are so arrogantly wrong and refuse to listen to any sense of logic or reason are irritating

[Enigma]

swap listen with consider