Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

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VOTE: orfhz

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VOTE: gamma

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light hopped off the wagon

note that down

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hey

for once i actually tried to spell your name right

still got it wrong

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It appears that Gamma Emerald is getting wagonned. How fun.

If that's fun why did you not join the fun?

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hi all

hi ofrhz

Why no vote?

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what old tines

i don't know you

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It isn't

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He meant fucosco's non bold vote

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you forgot but youre still not voting

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Gen 8 seems pretty exciting, I think.

Team Grookey.

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it will be fire/electric tho

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I don't like the way it went off topic. Partly because I have only the most basic of ideas what y'all started talking about.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Was Gamma Emerald responsible for it going off topic then?

Gamma's name is also pokemon related sooo

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help inject some AI into the game instead?

why would you want artificial intelligence in mafia

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that spews him town tho

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votecount 1.08

5 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Vedith, Dunnstral, DoubtingThomas, Wisdom, davesaz)
2 players voting for light_ganski (Ausuka, Fuscosco)
1 player voting for Sabrina LeCutie (StarwingBeauvoi)
1 player voting for Fuscosco (light_ganski)
1 player voting for wilky (Sabrina LeCutie)
1 player voting for Ausuka (wilky)
1 player voting for Vedith (MariaR)
1 player voting for DoubtingThomas (ofrhz)
1 player voting for davesaz (Gamma Emerald)

3 players not voting (Elsa Jay, Clemency, Enigma)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-03-19 19:00:00).

mod notes: DoubtingThomas replaces demonlord.

vedith dunnstral wisdom not trying other wagons and staying on rvs wagon gamma is anti town so early in the game

Disagree
Why change if gamma hasnt townspewed?

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Not interested in ausuka wagon either

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what are light and ausuka if not counterwagons

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If anything, there *is* unwarranted resistance to the gamma wagon

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i dont mean the unvote

i mean people saying why vote gamma or voting ausuka and such

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VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

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not interested

focus on scum, not people you dislike

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Tone sounds like a carefree townie

that's weak
lots of people are this carefree as scum

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im townleaning both
dont ask me why

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nah i always use three letters between o and z

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i don't really know where to go now though.

how about enigma

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you have eyes vedith. Read his posts

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yep you'll get credit

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Clemency is even emptier than Enigma?

clemency is town-empty
enigma is scum-empty

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wilky is another scum btw

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policy lynches are stupid
dont play with whoever you dislike

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gamma you just have to sheep me and vote enigma

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im tired of this fallacy

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that resistance means something

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these fallacies are why playing scum is so easy

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this gamestate is awful

sure, if youre scum

for town, they just have to lynch enigma and wilky and be halfway there

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what do you expect to happen exactly?

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and then we'll enter the next stupid phase of "lets not lynch him because hes x pr"

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light im pretty sure youre just put off by elsa's playstyle

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arent we all

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see that thought process is wrong
You should be wanting to catch scum, not earn town points
And you dont need questions for that

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maria and vedith

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wilky is still scum regardless of your flip too

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And the 4 on elsa wagon probably contain one buddy if you flip scum. Probably ofhrz.

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town, no

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different than scum elsa

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nah. i can see how sabrina gives off that impression and its totally reasonable for ausuka to suspect it

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that said, ausuka; its more than likely sabrina genuinely taking offense and being unable to step away rather than a scum agenda

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because he hasnt done anything town since i voted him

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have you played with maria or vedith before

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its not about "town tries" or "scum tries"
its about the specifics person
If they try as town, theyll try as scum so they look town
If they dont try as town, they wont try as scum so they look town
Its not black and white

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chennisden replaces Wilky.

bumping the deadline up by 24 hours.

Oh god.

have you played with maria or vedith before

You say this like it implies scum me would jump on a wagon for no reason. (Hint that's really wrong.)

No I said this because Enigma basically said "lack of effort = town" which like i said in the previous post is bs
I want to see if he considers meta at all or if hes just being this shallow

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imo scum would make more of an effort to make a valid reason to jump on the wagon, whereas maria and vedith are quite the opposite

Also despite this statement he is not trying to scumhunt on his wagon at all
He says he disagrees with maria and vedith but hes not telling us who *is* scum on his wagon

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chennisden you seem like you've read
why no opinion on the top wagon?

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Because i townread the rest

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Elsa is town though

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sad that elsa had to claim

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Friendly neighbor

is this a newbie game

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Friendly neighbor

is this a newbie game

Friendly Neighbor

fixed link

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ofhrz and wilky replacement are my top picks for scum

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Yeah... A death Miller claim is DEFINITELY something weird to claim in a Non-reviewed game considering the wiki itself says nobody likes it. Though honestly that gives it more credibility then I would first think...

I'll reserve judgement until you flip. But then again you literally announced what you'll flip.

xyzzy's game just before this one had a death miller

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Very concerning how many people are claiming, and how many others are "claiming." If you're going to jokeclaim to confuse town, it's only going to get you lynched/scumread. Getting Enigma lynched also feels like a bad idea with the claimed Watcher, but I don't feel like we have a choice anymore.

^scum

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do you guys want to lynch chennis over enigma

id gladly switch

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Why?

because its just stating obvious things
"dont claim"
"dont lynch the watcher"
its awkward scum talking

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VOTE: chennis

in case theres interest

ill hammer enigma if i have to but eh

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iso his predecessor too, he was pretty scummy

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sabrina was genuinely offended
wilky pushed it oppurtinistically
and no its not contentless or nai. I said many times wilky is scum and that was prompted by his pists

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lynching for info is stupid
lynch scum ty

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thats l-1

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thats definitely not an "obvious" soft

and i dont believe it

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dw everyone knows that

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town dont have knowledge so can push an infinite amount of mislynches

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anyway

UNVOTE:

a vig is testable and leash-able

you can live for a day

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VOTE: ofhrz

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i wont miss him terribly since vigs usually lead to more town deaths

but its testable so eh, we can do better

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chennis vote ofhrz

either that wagon happens or we return to you

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as for vig targets, i suggest Sabrina or clem

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its either town or a fakeclaim

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i suggested two, feel free to chime in

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wrong vote

get on ofrhz

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Your vote is on someone who conftowns himself

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Your vote is on someone who conftowns himself

i havent seen elsa do that hm

I mean his role
He claimed friendly neighbor

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And in case you didnt notice we have less than 2 days remaining so move your vote to ofhrz before vla'ing

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why is ofhrz town

his iso is awful

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You dont sound like you have a better scumread so "meh" should be fine to lynch

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rolestopper can be scum

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nah. vigs are town.

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its town. he was just omgus'ing.

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chennis softed vig under no pressure

unless he has a meta of softing fake roles as scum im pretty sure hes vig

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no, rolestopper is more likely scum than other roles

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Not interested

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watcher is like one of the strongest town roles
lets not

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i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game

Sadly thats true of gamma for all of his recent meta

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VOTE: sabrina

lets do it

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why?

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The claim game only hurts town in the end by happening so soon.

lynching a town role potentially hurts it more though

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im fine lynching the rolestopper because thats usually a scum role
the vig is ok because its likely going to cause more town deaths even if leashed
im not lynching you or the watcher

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no lynch is never a good idea.

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11 hours

if there isnt enough support for sabrina in the next few hours ill switch back to ofhrz

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all shes done in 40 pages is push a PL on DT

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gamma you need to vote. deadline is in a few hours.

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all shes done in 40 pages is push a PL on DT

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elsa - friendly neighbor
enigma - watcher
chennis - vig
ofrhz - rolestopper

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my scumreads claimed things i dont wanna lynch
so im lynching sabrina

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Elsa, DT, Ausuka, maybe Starwing, maybe Gamma

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plus some of these claims i guess

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VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

I started the enigma wagon here, and then it basically went claim->new wagon->claim etc

other than elsa that was counter to enigma

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L-1

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why does scum crumb vig under no pressure

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agreed

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nah

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disagree on dt

i dont particularly agree with your other three but someone has to be scum so maybe they contain one or two

still prefer sabrina

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what? he claimed when there was a wagon on him

he crumbed when there was nothing on him

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sabrina there is a huge wagon on you

how it thomas still the only thing you talk about

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most people would rather see me vig'd

Given you're one vote away from a lynch, nope.

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We're lynching the most obv town in the game holy shit.

this is a good vig, especially if Sabrina flips town.

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terribly sorry im not lynching our prs for you maria
wont happen again

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what unlynchable claim

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Guys are you ready for my soft?

I'm lynch proof until day 4 but if I don't get a mafia lynched by n4 I die.
hf

yeah this sounds like bs

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lynch sabrina vig maria
at least 1 scum guaranteed

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yeah im sure a friendly neighbor and a vig who crumbed unpressured are nai

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"scum vig"
ok

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yep we should have totally lynched a watcher, arguably the strongest common pr there is. So protown.

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A scum team with Sab would be telling her a giant wagon is on her rn. She came in totally obvious to the whole situation

Given you were calling her obvtown way before, this is just bs you made up now and not the actual reason youre townreading her.

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youre either bad and sabrina is scum or youre scum and you have tmi on her
those are the only options i see and i want you both dead

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weve had no flips so the only way you know my reads have been good or bad is red pm tmi

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roll a dice between some of your townreads

scum cant guess randomness

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pedit: Because her tone comes off extremely genuine and I don't see Sab getting into a fight with DT as scum and sticking to that read the whole game with such confidence. It seems more like town who's still somewhat upset. Along with the fact that a scumteam with Sab would inform her that she's getting wagoned. Out of all the wagons she was also the easiest to wagon. I believe she got to L-1 in 1 or 2 pages?

Lots of scum tunnel on a single player, it's common
Given how much she cared about getting wagoned, whether anyone informed her is irrelevant
All wagons after Enigma were equally quick and easy.

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I think i agree with the dave scumread

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VOTE: dave

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Pedit: so you're all back to scumreading me for being myself. Nice.

this triggered me

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lol

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vote dave and maybe ill consider you tvt

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replaceouts are nai

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dave isnt compromise, dunn.

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Elsa read Ank's points and also what i quoted from his last post. "Youre scumreading me for being myself" is scum frustration

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replaceout is nai, ausuka. He will prolly replace out when pushed for those things regardless of alignment. Disregard it.

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maria still feels like tmi on sabrina. Sabrina's posts dont warrant the strong townread she has.

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no it isnt

there were like 3 other wagons with the same speed before it

and speed isnt indicative anyway

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that makes me feel like you are a scum trying to town read sabrina for asinine play because you have to give off easy town reads

bingo

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happy with enter vote

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pretty sure rolestopper is a scum role but eh. It's a non reviewed game

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What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

lack of town motivation does not mean presence of scum motivation
this is weak

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to get reactions

selfvoting causes reactions

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your theory talk is boring

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agreed. you need to be hammered

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oh cmon starwing

ofhrz was just doing her selina thing

enter is just using it as an excuse to post about something

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its not antitown, its nai

and youve posted nothing useful

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suddenly I'm more sure Enter is town

because your scumread on light is wrong

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And now enter is pushing Sabrina lol

cmon enter is scum.

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VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie

ank no

we were doing so well

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i agree with everything light said

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yeah, again, i agree with what light is saying, including the bold parts. What are you disliking exactly?

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Like, she is right about sabrina having no content outside the DT push, which is a personal thing and is nai

She is right about enter's ofhrz push based on selfvote being bs

She is right about the theory talk being an excuse to say things, i said that myself

cmon ank. Have you played with light before? It might be playstyle. Youre prone to that.

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He quoted her dt vote and called her scum

what do you mean "i can see why hed find her scum other than her dt vote"? The issue is what he quoted as reasoning

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1285: Enter asks someone to vote a person for selfvoting as if thats a scum claim
Lights answer makes total sense

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and for the other two it seems like you just dislike her wording

i dont see shade, i see things ive pointed out myself and are valid

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ok can you reread the enter slot without letting light affect you

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tomorrow he will be in the dead pt wishing luck to his buddies

srsly ank youve let one bad read mess up everything

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im not going to respond to you so go ahead

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because dave was scummier than sabrina and ofhrz who were more close to null

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i said when it did

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The more sabrina posts the more she sounds like Yume #2 to me

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enter why did i create a wagon on ofhrz in the first place if im scum with her

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youre saying its me/ausuka/ofhrz so yes

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good then tell me why i wagoned her and made her claim

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so i bussed my rolestopper, one of the strongest scum roles there are

my rolestopper who can save me from getting caught by investigatives which is more or less the only way i lose

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so ank, not seeing enter scum yet? citing rvs votes and nonsensical busses aint enough?

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no i meant what i said

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back to ignore

i shouldnt have replied to you so much in the first place

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You know how to play properly? Dont do what youre doing now. DT is pretty town and youre only attacking him based on personality and playstyle.

If youre bad at scumhunting at least try to recongnise one town person and sheep them

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yes

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i dont

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has it or youre just scum and im being an idiot

Sabrina does look town after all and im annoyed you were calling her town so essily

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no it shouldn't

you lynch scum, you dont wait for actions to do stuff to them

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enigma is watcher, chennis is vig

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starwing is prolly scum but thats for tomorrow or for the vig

today its enter.

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theyre free to scumread me if you flip town

you wont

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I'll be less active for the following days, hopefully you dont mess up this lynch

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shoot the other vig claim maybe?

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that makes sabrina and ofhrz town prolly

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also with all those vigs chennis was prolly a correct call

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btw ausuka was obvtown why the fuck did she get shot

this

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VOTE: chennis

Enigma prolly scum as well

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no

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ank's list is good minus light and dt

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shoot enigma and ofhrz

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yep vig this

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like theres no way scum leave a watcher claim alive and kill ausuka

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because you dont have a watch result to claim

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so who did you doc

whats the point in withholding that

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and got a different scum lynched more like

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but at least we established you lied to stay alive

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VOTE: enigma

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now that i think about it, chennis crumbed being vig before knowing there are vigs

so he probably is a vig indeed

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so if one vig is fake its ank or vedith imo

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why cant it be just vedith

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nightkilled by scum?

im assuming one of the three kills is the scumkill here

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enter had pushed sabrina and she had claimed a complex role

i think its plausible

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Either way i believe chen is vig and wouls rather lynch elsewhere