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[The Last Knight]

VOTE: TLK

This is a great lynch for today. If it flips scum, and I really think it will, it basically lock towns Shiidaji for me, which is good.

I'm town, bud.

And, like Vedith said, Shiidaji was basically already conftown because of Persivul. Which is a shame because she scumreads me.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Okay I'm willing to listen.
I wanted to vote DEB today to see how they reacted. I can tell you it was very poorly though.

b4 that, what was your read on TLK at the very end of Day 1? The reason I feel less confident in townreading you is because of how biting your comments were towards TLK near twilight yet you seem to be hem-hawing on his alignment rn.

Spoiler: Vedith End of d1

Once again a wagon. But it feels desperate more so than actual scum reading.

Couldn't the same be said about you?

TLK talks about Wilky eager to end the day whole putting Wilky at L1.
Let's just take that in for a moment.

I have no reason to be desperate. So I don't think that applies.

If you're Scum buddy is at L2 of course you have reason to be desperate.

If you or Wilky can prove that Wilky has done these things too, please do.

If I can prove he has done things?
What?

Wilkys posting looks town. If you actually read his ISO it looks like he's making progression on his reads which Scum just don't do, even more so day 1 as they don't want to be stuck with reads.

Voting in someone outside of your town pool doesn't mean it's Scum motivated.
I've swapped my votes plenty, why are you not putting the pressure on me for it?

Green flip means I lynch in DEB or TLK.

I'm also pretty eager to end the day. So I put him at L-1. If he's a vig, that's a big blow. But plenty of people tried not to get killed. If he was something we didn't want to lose, I wish he said something sooner.

15mins between the last 2 votes and no intent or posting to even try and get this.
If Wilky is a town PR don't go blaming this on Wilky.

And how the fuck can you use Wilky being eager to end the day and then say this?

Like I do not see the above posts coming from someone that just said "TLK I'm not sure" and wants a case from me.
I want Chara URA and Flippy to weigh in on this.

im having alot of mixed feelings about vedith rn, i kind of have a scum lean on him just cos i find the way he's posting sort of erratic but a couple people in this game have been that way, & from what i know of vedith he's bit of a troll making it hard to get a read on him.

[The Last Knight]

Btw, I do not know Flavor Leaf irl (seems worth mentioning in this game ).

What was the point of this post?

Humor. Same as posting a waves pic.

Anyway, stop coast-ing. After 5 days and 20 pages you have no thoughts? If I can form a read after just a light skim, so can you.

Okay, so the John Marv -> Scepticism -> Insomnia slot has been pinging me from the beginning. I don't really know why Scept left but this post was his last.

The last line in particular does imply something for me: maybe the reason he was able to make such a quick read after a skim was because he knew everyone's alignment already. Maybe Occam's Razor, maybe wifom. But it just popped into my head when reading, so I thought I'd say it.

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

[u r a person 2]

Semantics. I guess posting Shiidaji's scumslip in Bolded Yellow wasn't enough push.

I must have missed the scum slip entirely. quote the post?

[The Last Knight]

I'm going to approach a new analysis that's totally not stolen from someone on this website

L8 votes FL and unvotes in like 5 posts and then FL tr's L8, but L8 has never dropped a vote that quick. I can just say if one of them flips scum, the other has a high chance of being scum.

I'm careful with FL, he's a good player, I had my first game against him and he spotted my scum ass on night 2 and got my scum bud lynched day one. For that reason, I expect him to catch some scum, otherwise through the almighty BoP, he's probably scum himself.

I like the meta you presented about yourself here.

Question about the first half: do you mean that L8 never dropped a vote that quick in this game or over several games?

[u r a person 2]

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

I don't understand this. What legacy does he have to live up to?

What can't he scum his way out of? The post you quoted?

[The Last Knight]

But it looks like strong scum play to me, and that’s what’s sticking out for me the most right now.

yah it does

VOTE: shiijadi

You are voting an informed townie claim on day one, hope you realise what you're doing

Send me one scum game where Persivul claims anything as scum, bolded, on day one, on the first page and after you'll tell me you didn't find anything, convince me why he'd start doing it now.

VOTE: urap2

You're making my post seem scummy and you're trying to throw shade on me, when my read makes perfect sense

I was getting pinged by the posts leading up to this, but I like this post from you, Insomnia. Although, that's because it's true, for your posts do seem scummy leading up to this point.

It feels like you're trying to gain town points by arguing so heavily in favor of conftown Shiidaji. And then you become aware of it after the fact. Stinks, man.

I'll vote there.

VOTE: Insomnia

[The Last Knight]

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

I don't understand this. What legacy does he have to live up to?

What can't he scum his way out of? The post you quoted?

The legacy of John Marv and Scepticism being scummy af.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

So I'm saying that even if he is good at scum, the people he had to sub in for screwed him over.

[The Last Knight]

Hi, @Zulfy, can we have another VC, please?

[u r a person 2]

Although, that's because it's true, for your posts do seem scummy leading up to this point.

Not trying to be a dick but in this post you seem to be saying you think Insomnia's posts look scummy, but then in the below quote you seem to be saying that you're scum reading his predecessors.

Since I'm scum reading both of you and predisposed to view this as an effort to distance yourselves, could you please walk me through where your read is coming from?

Maybe quote a couple posts that seem townie and why and the posts that formed your scum read?

[u r a person 2]

sorry, this was supposed to be the "below post" that I was referencing:

The legacy of John Marv and Scepticism being scummy af.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

So I'm saying that even if he is good at scum, the people he had to sub in for screwed him over.

[The Last Knight]

Yeah, sure, just a sec. I'm sure there's something.

Mainly, I just wanted to like him because he was posting. I lost track of who replaced who and then put it all in context, hence the post about putting it in perspective with the other two before him.

But give me a sec and I'll find something that I liked too.

[Emperor flippyNips]

hi all i'm catching up today

Did you have a good birthday? \o/

pretty good can't complain thanks for asking

[Emperor flippyNips]

Also, after TLK typed "wool over its eyes.", he thought it necessary to press enter, type "I'll vote there.", press enter AGAIN, and then vote Wilky. This doesn't feel like the TLK I was introduced to at the beginning of the game, it's self-conscious. I have personally found some newbie scum to be afraid of just outright sheeping or naked voting, especially those that have not established a "Creature"-like sense of quick posting. To them, it would seem out of character to just quick vote. Thus they overcompensate with posts like this.

as is this. if tlk is scum, you probably flip town, huh?

Rereading this excerpt from Shiidaji's post helped me realize what exactly was being said, and it just sounds like such a reach. I finished a paragraph and gave space to vote because votes are significant enough to get their own paragraph, in my opinion.

I press the enter key to organize my thoughts better. I think I have breaks in almost all my posts longer than two sentences. Its just how I type, since I basically learned to type on osrs and wow. Not to mention any form of instant messaging, the basis for most communication for almost everyone, requires constant "enter" key spam. It's simply not AI.

i understand hitting enter often to make things more legible for everyone & myself later if need be

[Emperor flippyNips]

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

I don't understand this. What legacy does he have to live up to?

What can't he scum his way out of? The post you quoted?

The legacy of John Marv and Scepticism being scummy af.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

So I'm saying that even if he is good at scum, the people he had to sub in for screwed him over.

i dont know how you got scummy af if they hardly said a word then replaced out they were both big fat nulls to me

[The Last Knight]

Reading TLK's ISO now and I'll give you my thoughts

Mar 18, 2019 10:37 am

Vedith, why are you ignoring me this game?
What's your read on TLK?

Mar 18, 2019 11:29 am

@TLK what's your opinion on L8?

Mar 19, 2019 11:19 am

I'm pretty curious to find out what happened in between these posts.

And I really do need a new updated read in urap2 and L8 myself. I'll do that next.

[The Last Knight]

Gotta say though, Insomnia, you do post a lot more and have good logic from what I can see. You have a tough legacy to live up to though. I want to like you but I don't think you can scum your way out of this, if that is the case. I have to take everyone one of your posts into account along with the seven or so left over from your predecessors.

I don't understand this. What legacy does he have to live up to?

What can't he scum his way out of? The post you quoted?

The legacy of John Marv and Scepticism being scummy af.

And I mean that he sounds town, but that's just because he might be good scum.

So I'm saying that even if he is good at scum, the people he had to sub in for screwed him over.

i dont know how you got scummy af if they hardly said a word then replaced out they were both big fat nulls to me

Idk, you're the scum lurk-king. You tell me. I definitely don't like lurkers. But I did quote a Scepticism post, if you want to check out why I thought that was scummy.

[Emperor flippyNips]

i feel like the L8 vs. Insomniac could be TvS not sure about TLK v Insomniac

[The Last Knight]

Urap2
L84Dnr
DEB

Flips
Vedith
Chara

Burkenstock
The Last Knight

Shiidaji
Insomnia


I think this is where I’m at right now. The tiers aren’t ordered. My town reads are stronger than my scum reads, but I expect to be wrong somewhere.

FL, can you explain this post more? I thought that this was towniest -> scummiest. But if the tiers aren't ordered, I don't know what this means. Are these scum team combinations that you've come up with?

If you do scum read me, could you please explain to me why? I'll try to justify this.

[Emperor flippyNips]

@TLK i mean i've been busy, trying to post when i can. also lurking doesn't always mean scum.

i understand not liking lurkers but that doesn't mean they're scum. once it can be identified as active lurking i feel that's different, but that's not the case here

[u r a person 2]

Yeah, sure, just a sec. I'm sure there's something.

Mainly, I just wanted to like him because he was posting. I lost track of who replaced who and then put it all in context, hence the post about putting it in perspective with the other two before him.

But give me a sec and I'll find something that I liked too.

Is 1240 the follow-up to this?

If not, what happened to this?

[Chara]

But it looks like strong scum play to me, and that’s what’s sticking out for me the most right now.

yah it does

VOTE: shiijadi

You are voting an informed townie claim on day one, hope you realise what you're doing

Send me one scum game where Persivul claims anything as scum, bolded, on day one, on the first page and after you'll tell me you didn't find anything, convince me why he'd start doing it now.

VOTE: urap2

You're making my post seem scummy and you're trying to throw shade on me, when my read makes perfect sense

I was getting pinged by the posts leading up to this, but I like this post from you, Insomnia. Although, that's because it's true, for your posts do seem scummy leading up to this point.

It feels like you're trying to gain town points by arguing so heavily in favor of conftown Shiidaji. And then you become aware of it after the fact. Stinks, man.

I'll vote there.

VOTE: Insomnia

i like this from TLK.

[u r a person 2]

@chara What do you think about him basically contradicting that post in the next post?

[Chara]

i'm liking TLK's posting in general a lot more today.
1244 as well. and when he throws back to previous stances he's had it feels like a genuine memory of a read rather than something he came to after the fact.

pedit: let's see.

[The Last Knight]

Why not Burkenstock?

I'm asking because I'm as good at tunnelling as the next person, so what are you seeing that I'm not?

Who do you suggest for the lynch?

Then what does make someone scum to you?

You want the long list or the short one?

- Burkenstock: Purely reflexive play and active lurking.
- Scepticism: Poor reasoning and passive lurking.
- Creature: Pure fluff. Yes, I checked his meta and he does this as town. He also does it as scum but less actively.

As far as I can see from L8 is that he calls out noobs, hates lurkers, and harps on fluff.

I don't really see this as AI though. It just makes me null read him.

Does this look like a scumslip to anybody else?

In addition John Marv slot is town...

Here's John Marv's total contribution to the game:

VOTE: L84Dnr wagon

Vedith Persivul maybe town

Hallo

Three whole posts that you could type in under a minute. I can't fathom how Shiidaji is getting a town read so solid that he can state that "John Marv is town" with such certainty out of those three lines.

...so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through.

And then goes on to laud Scepticism, who has only been marginally more active and whose first act was to vote Wilky based on what I consider to be rubbish reasoning. Possible scumwagon?

Something is fundamentally wrong here and Shiidaji needs to explain it. I don't like to do this to somebody replacing in but this is a whole lot of red flags.

VOTE: Shiidaji

This also feels either way for me:

1) if he's calling out Shiidaji for liking a slot scum read by L8, then it makes sense for town!L8 to pressure Shiidaji for this. I disagree with voting for Shiidaji because I don't think she's scum and that this is L8 misdirecting his scum read for some weird town reason.

2) it would also make sense for scum!L8 to purposely try to weaken reads from others on Shiidaji's slot. But I don't think it is a very smart choice.

Overall, mostly seems like L8 is trying to game-solve, but I also disagree with all of his reads. So null.