Micro 857: Burden of Proficiency Mafia

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Interesting that Scotty's only scum with me

And therefore there's not actually any argument I can make for why you should vote him

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Shoshin is there any reason you would not follow a vote from me that wasn't onto you?

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Same goes to every other player in this game

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Im just trying to make this easier for the paragon friends

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Actually I have a counterproposal

Can everyone agree that if their partner gets lynched they will out and give the paragons the win once they can't win anymore?

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But I thought we were lynching URAP, so like, shouldn't we be forwarding it to only his buddy

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I think it would be bm in a sense for them to do so

It's better to have the partner do it

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I understood that about you without asking.

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i wanna chat with shoshin

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I am here!

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I hung out with a female friend of mine, but there was no drinking. Still had a good evening even if I failed the name of St. Patricks day

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Can we focus on you first? Did you think about who the scum are?

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who do you think the scum are?

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Do you think that I'm scum, shoshin?

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I think that you are the the 2nd most likely scumpartner to the person that I think is always scum.

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I feel like you should townread me and I think that how cagey you've been since I claimed absolute surety as to who was scum may be because you're scum who expects that I'm going to lead on either you or your buddy here.

That is

not

who I think is scum.

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I think that Michael Scott is scum every time for a myriad of reasons at this point. I plan to case this at some point in the near future. I think that his partner is either saudade or you. I think that URAP is town.
I am super wary of the change in your tone from the point of my professing surety as to the gamesolve. I think that you should be able to see what I see here. I think you should not scumread me here.

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I could have closed this game out at any point on pretty much anyone. I've had so many chances no matter who my partner is. I pride myself on being able to efficiently close out games and this game would have been closed out by now.
So, if you're town, you gotta get back on my wagon. If you're not, well, we'll see if I can get Saudade to vote MS.

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he's townposted.

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I'd rather case MS than towncase other people.

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It's hard to towncase U2 because, like, most of the reason that I think that he's town is holistic things rather than individual posts. Whereas the reasons that MS is scum are more obvious

I could have closed this game out many times on either of Saudade, U2, or MS at this point, so you must realize I'm not scum either?

I don't necessarily agree that this is true. The argument could be made that wrt URAP voting saudade you could have waited for the hammer, but I don't think your odds in nomination phase would be great.
I could have hammered most people and done so in a way that gives no further clue as to who my partner is.

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Who is then?

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I'll case you, for your benefit.

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I don't think that's town your response?

I feel like town you would want the case so you could explain why it's wrong, no?

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Like you've been all mopey and given up all game and I don't think that's town you, I think that's scum you who felt like you entered the game already in a weak position.

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urap unvote please.

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That kinda seems like a scumclaim. "id also be mopey as town"

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viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77211

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help me MS

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for the record you're not who I wanted to lynch.

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but I have been putting you down as scum #2 so

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aaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Shoshin I really think you're scum and I don't know why.

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never said that you did

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the other reason i have been looking for the partner btw is that it's really hard for me to vote shoshin

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it's soul crushing tbh

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I wouldn't have minded rolling scum if it was with you

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(not a scumclaim)

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I'd rather be town with you than scum with you.

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What's your URAP lead shoshin?

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Things will get a lot better when I can consistently read you quickly

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Note that Saudade is currently saying he refuses to vote you and wants to vote URAP. I think if you think it's URAP Shoshin is the likely buddy

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that said it's possible.

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mannnnnnn

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i don't know that they're town

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idk what alignment anyone is

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i'm sorry i failed you

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mafia is harder and harder the better you get at it.

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now i feel like you're trying to buddy me by talking to me lol

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if i was scum i would have ended the game a long time ago. i'm aware that i pretty much just repeat that any time someone comments on my alignment but it's true.
this game would be just as stressful if it was still ongoing as scum as it is as town but at least if i was scum i could just end it

disregarding the partner. Is MS still your biggest lead RC?

I don't know.

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you too. i really don't want to scumread you

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you do have a point.

i do see it as a possibility.

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i mean

it can't be

just

saudade

if you get what i'm saying

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it's a really strange world when i'm the universal townread

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i think urap/saudade is pretty plausible

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i think shoshin/urap also makes sense though

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tbh i don't ever vote you. don't have the willpower to.

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what do you mean defensive?

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oh

you quoted me lolll

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thought:

this is either urap's towniest scum game or scummiest town game.

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shoshin you should have realized that you were scum by now

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I think you might be right

I'm back to townreading MS and scumreading URAP I think

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What are the odds on Shoshin Saudade

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I could Lynch saudade

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Dunno.

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Possibly

What are your thoughts on lynching saudade

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Possibly

What are your thoughts on lynching saudade

You're not confident in this lynch, are you?

Why do you ask? I might be.

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Ok. Lmk what my babe volxen thinks

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Hey wanna vote sau?

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I think you were right

I think it's urap sau

I'm ready to hammer actually

Sau is shoshinscum insurance

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You're town

I'm town

And URAP / Shoshin I think is not a thing based on their interactions at start of game so

Saudade is scum in all universes

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I can't do this anymore I'm going nuts trying to solve

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Sho literally unvoted Saudade the MOMENT urap voted them

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Truthfully I think that

Shoshin Saudade is more likely than Saudade urap

and it's really the team that I see more than anything

But I think it'll be easier to get MS to vote right by pushing sau urap so...?

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Rip me

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Was reaction testing MS

Very intrigued by his reluctance to vote Saudade

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i just want to point out

that michael scott has never voted urap

I've not voted anybody except Saudade.

VOTE: URAP2

Did you ask volxen before this vote

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So you ready to vote sau so we can hammer?

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Let's do it for the homies

I'm hammering

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VOTE: saudade*

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Jk fuck the homies

RC da boi

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UNVOTE:

Anyways I think the lack of response says enough but I still want to flirt with Shoshin so

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lol

go ahead

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VOTE: Saudade

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If you're town you made this game unplayable to put it mildly

If the game didn't have 0 mislynches you would be a policy lynch in any playerlist

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Actually I copy paste my playstyle from game to game as either alignment so this is rubbish to begin with

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That's actually like the worst post I have ever seen someone make ever and I can't in good conscience say that any team composition deserves to lose less than just you.

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"hey I literally copy paste so you can't read me so this person who claims to have a read on me is scum"

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If this is town it's URAP Shoshin but can't lynch either of them over Saudade.

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Anyway regardless of alignment you're blacklisted stay away from me bye

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Not me

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If you're town why do you care whether you get voted or not

Nice job bringing the possibility of voting me up tho

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I should look at Shoshin MS

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But like

That last urap comment oof

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MS hasn't posted either

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Has jingle even been around

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I'm crossing my fingers that sau was still scum

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I had something of a panic attack last night but

Sau seems like the type to claim town to induce said panic attacks

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I'm confused

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Oh is there no flip until.the paragons submit

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kms

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pls redact previous post

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MS/Shoshin I think aorn

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Idk. Sorry I failed you guys

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I'm amazed at how scummy every single slot managed to be

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I won't make that mistake again MS

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My actual recommendation

Is lock in Shoshin and pick a second how you will

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RC is scum.

I can't believe you didn't fucking wait for me.

Fuck this game.

You understand this is scum right

Please don't let her win this ganet

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This strategy only works once and it didn't even work once.

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A change to the mafia win condition. If mafia wins regardless of lynch should the paragons guess wrong, they still can't make themselves obvious, so there's no quickhammers, but they CAN bus, which should lead to a town win a higher percentage of the time.

Town and Paragon would remain unchanged.

My other idea to decrease paragon win % would be to not flip the lynched player until after the guess, but that just means Paragons have no reason to help in the first portion, which was a major element of the setup.

This would make town lives a lot easier possibly too easy

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I am sure Shoshin is scum

I lean urap as second scum

I don't think you owe me trust

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Btw I think town should win if paragons win and vice versa

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And the entire setup be changed around that

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What about 2/7 and the town and paragons each get a lynch

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Maybe not 2/7. I'll calc the optimal number

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too bad I'm not NSG because she would have won this game

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If it's 5/2

Town lynches paragon guesses one scum

But that makes the scumteam only as strong as it's weakest member

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Whatabout 3v2

Town lynches
Paragon vigs
Town lynches again

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I think it's Shoshin urap yea

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My suggested guess for the paragons is Shoshin URAP

If you guys want anything more from me let the know

Sorry I failed you again

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I just don't want Shoshin to win

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Can you really give that a rest urap

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I believe in you guys guessing urap Shoshin and winning where I failed <3

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Sorry I think calling scum scum is pretty okay and the literally constant bombardment of people trying to link me and Shoshin on an out of game basis was not

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/shrug

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Not what I mean

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And before this gets argued to be scum indicative for me I'm bitter

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it's shoshin/urap and they're both mad at me for caring enough to call them out when i've already lost.

i'm over it.

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enter/aubrey/etc i consider you part of my team. ms checked out because he has nothing left to do. shoshin/urap are still posting because it's to their wincon. i don't like losing and it would make me less bitter about it if you took the win.

that's why i'm trying to help.

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sure

i've said what i think it is

i won't be offended if you're wrong as long as shoshin is in the scums list

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ok. do your thing. gl

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she's scum and it annoys her that i'm still trying to make her lose when i've already lost.

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wasn't 100%

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one theory.

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(from a town!her pov... what exactly am i doing to her right now?)

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me?

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i'm taking that as your intent to submit shoshin MS then.

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best of luck!

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i will be very sad if you guys were paranoid of me the whole game.

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fearing me doesn't do anything good.

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in the end if you gotta scumread me it doesn't change my wincon which is already lost. more sad because it proves shoshin right that she can mislynch me on demand even when she called me town the entire rest of the game to prevent me going off on her.

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Going to step out from this thread

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Final word

If I was going to lynch Saudade as scum I'd have done it when someone else ie Shoshin or URAP would haven't taken the blame for it.

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why don't you flatter me like this when we're on the same team

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sausage

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i'm still town.

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shoshin urap is

the

thing.

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it is.

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it is me referring to shoshins insistence that she would buddy me

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i think that it was timimng based

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decisions yours

i did the best i could with sausage present.

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Sorry I was wrong on URAP

Guess in the end I was always losing if I wasn't down to lynch Shoshin

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I should have just lynched Shoshin, yeah

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Well played though paragons

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I was townreading literally nobody in this game

I feel like I would have done better if there were someone for me to coherently townread

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Imo paragons and town should have the same win condition

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Paragons help town lynch scum D1
Town help paragons get scum at night

It feels really silly to me to separate our win conditions

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For the record if town/paragon wincon is to lynch scum OR have paragons guess that's exactly 50% winrate

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I'll pre in to play the actual game but I might switch to paragon

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I'm glad you guys won even if I didn't

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I am marking it as a loss and am down to 4/3 w/l

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I would have attempted and failed to lynch MS (saud wouldn't have voted with me) and i'd have ended up voting sau anyway

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i thought scum was ms/sau fairly confidently when i actually lynched sau.

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at least i feel better that i was the best of the townies

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forget i even said it.

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i'm a lot more irritated at saudade thean you fwiw