In post 1338, Enter wrote:Correct, but pretend RC is town and it becomes obvious who the pair is
so you're saying that I should be voting Michael Scott again, ya?
I'm saying you're pretty close to fence-sitting and I need you to sit tight for a little bit while we sort things to make sure we get optimal lynch.
Associatives are vital this game. If you want to stop playing and just prodge for a bit until we need your vote for real or we have questions for you, though, I'm good with that. I'd really liked it if you went REALLy in depth on why shoshin is town, but I understand why you wouldn't want to do that
I also didn't read them as being likely to come from town. Just wanted to put that out there in case that helps at all. That is where a larger portion of the basis for my case against Shoshin begins
I consider this solved as far as I'm concerned as a paragon so I'm going to back out for a bit, unless people are trying not to flip MS in which case I need to do a bit more hunting
RadiantCowbells wrote:This solves 'your puzzle'
Yes, I understand you still have work to do. I won't impede
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I don't think it's as simple as you think. I don't see a huge similarity to his scum game that isn't here in his town game. I guess he isn't being very solv-y here, to be honest, but he does seem to try with his first posts.
I honestly mostly townread him because it makes you guys look at him harder. And because it makes my PoE easier.
In post 1363, Shoshin wrote:We're not playing for your solve so that isn't helpful to me. I'd like to know if there's actual reasons to townread Saudade.
I know. I agree with you here. I'm just saying my wincon is reached, afaik. I don't see a huge point in me investing large sums of time into the game anymore because I can judge based off flip
Honestly Shoshin it's comforting to me that we're at the same place in the game now. Like I'm having the same thoughts you are as far as this game goes. And I would definitely be in the same place as far as the solve.
Maybe I put too much thought into this and it really is as simple as Michael Scott/Saudade.
In post 1381, Shoshin wrote:The reason I have doubts about you is because you didn't vote Sau, RC. The fact you're suddenly pushing me/Sau is making it seem like maybe those doubts are right.
In post 1388, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like if you're scum in a situation where I'm probably never being targeted by the paragons you -need- to have really good cross associatives.
Ok why is it that the only person she talks about lynching is saudade?
She also talks about lynching MS
Have you ever heard of white flag gambit
cuz Shoshin definitely strikes me as a gambiter
I agree that if you're not feeling super confident as scum
gambitting is a relatively common way to get town reads.
But her and Saudade... Idk it doesn't look right to me
In post 1399, RadiantCowbells wrote:There's weird things like Shoshin saying that she wanted other people to double check her meta, Shoshin unvoting at L1, still scumreading me even though no matter who my scumbuddy is I have had ample opportunity to have this game long over, etc.
It's almost like I've been saying Shoshin is scum for actually forever
In post 1420, u r a person 2 wrote:I guess I say this because when you talk about your wincon, it actually gives me an immediate impulse of wanting to do the opposite, and you should probably take that into account while manipulating our votes
Understand that I overcome the same reaction when you talk about your wincon.
But I'm here because gamesolving is fun, working through this shit is fun, and I can get over a little bit of pride to try and figure out what the fuck is actually going on here.
I know where you're coming from. Look at the support for the Saudade wagon. Don't believe me? Have Michael scott be on the Saudade Lynch
I have RL stuff weighing on me and it doesn't make it any easier to solve the game. It actually makes it a lot harder for me
It would be very helpful if I could trust you guys not to Lynch anyone for a day and the paragons not to encourage lynches for at least a day. Please?
I know that if you guys are town I am by far the weak link right now but I need a break to change that
this is massively too large of an ask
no it isnt shut up keep your dick in your pants for a day and shoot nobody
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In post 1574, u r a person 2 wrote:at the risk of being conf!scum in your mind, I'll have to defer until morning. I said I was going to bed an hour ago, and I should have.
The short answer is
RC is town
Shoshin is town or scum with you
consult my iso for more
I actually don't like this response to Saudade's push on him
In post 1574, u r a person 2 wrote:at the risk of being conf!scum in your mind, I'll have to defer until morning. I said I was going to bed an hour ago, and I should have.
The short answer is
RC is town
Shoshin is town or scum with you
consult my iso for more
I've been staring at this for a while now...
There's two options here: URAP2 realizing he's confbiased into Saudade and he doesn't actually have a legitimate argument right now
or URAP2 is scum and never had a legitimate scum read on Saudade.
In post 1574, u r a person 2 wrote:at the risk of being conf!scum in your mind, I'll have to defer until morning. I said I was going to bed an hour ago, and I should have.
The short answer is
RC is town
Shoshin is town or scum with you
consult my iso for more
I've been staring at this for a while now...
There's two options here: URAP2 realizing he's confbiased into Saudade and he doesn't actually have a legitimate argument right now
or URAP2 is scum and never had a legitimate scum read on Saudade.
Posts like this don't come from people who have an argument in mind that they legitimately believe
Hm. OK, I will think about it. You should work through your thoughts on possibilities as much as you can in the thread, especially cuz you were pushing shoshin earlier. The more people can follow your process the easier it will be for people to town read you
In post 1610, u r a person 2 wrote:Shoshin is pretty much only ever scum if she is scum with suade because of the dynamics of the meta push
RC is pretty much only ever scum with suade because the above rules out shoshin, plus their 1v1, and RC + MS doesn't make sense because there is no way with the paragon bit coming up that RC has basically let their entire interaction be an unexplained town read onto ms.
which, by extension means MS is basically only ever scum with suade and that suade is scum.
I've only gone through this like half a fucking dozen times, enter.
And if you think that act from suade last night was townie, I'm not sure if there is hope for you.
Nice. I disagree on pretty much every point here, but it doesn't matter because when you flip them it will pretty obvious where you're wrong.