Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Alisae]

If this is worth it to Shoshin then I'll take the loss and never talk to her again.

VOTE: lycanfire

Like good job, you made someone think like this
Wow gee wiz
I hope you feel great and proud of yourself for it

[Alisae]

And now I have to deal with shaming from Alisae too. Fuck off with this shit.

I don’t care
If you are not having fun with mafia and you feel like you have to AtE to get yourself out of a fucking lynch
Actually don’t play mafia

It worked fucking wonders for me

[Alisae]

As someone who blew up as scum and AtE’d they’re way to victory 100% of the time and heavily relied on emotions to make people not lynch me, to then have that feeling backfire, yeah, coming back from being away for 6-9 months makes you think

Wow, maybe being a little bitch makes the game less enjoyable for everyone wow

So yeah you deserve to be shamed for that.
I’m sorry, maybe in a different time different place we would get along, but seeing that shit actually triggers me.

[Alisae]

I saved RC from the shame he'd feel if he's actually town who wants to mislynch me by the way. What I did was very good for him in the big picture. He just doesn't realize that yet.

i’m so sad
Look at me
I’m so sad

Then suddenly

NO FUCK YOU, I WANT YOU TO SEE THAT I AM SO FUCKING SAD AND I AM GOING TO QUIT PLAYING ON THIS ACCOUNT AND I AM GOING TO SELFVOTE.

I’m sorry, as someone who’s trying to better myself and do this all of the fucking time, I actually am going to start to hate it when I see other people do it.

Its a game of mafia.
Leave your emotions out of it.
No one wants to hear your fucking pity party because you can’t handle being lynched in a game of mafia.

[Alisae]

I'm not allowed to have emotions but everyone else is, Alisae? You're treating me so unfairly, from the start of this game.

wow what are u supposed to be the victim here?

[Alisae]

Like
Do you actually feel good that you AtE’d your way out of that.
Honestly, here, does it feel good?
Yes or no.

[Alisae]

I'm done with this game.

NSG, please replace me.

I’m sorry for what I said, but I kinda agree with this.
So I hope we can get along in a different time in a different place.

[Alisae]

I'm done with this game.

NSG, please replace me.

I’m sorry for what I said, but I kinda agree with this.
So I hope we can get along in a different time in a different place.

You can rot in hell for your total lack of empathy and completely unwarranted outburst at me.

Yeah, I'm very aware that I'm the bad guy in the situation here.
I think it would be better if you just didn't post anymore if you requested to rep out.
I actually hold no hard feelings towards you.

[Alisae]

I don't think anyone is going to be happy with a win this game with the amount of drama.

This
so much this.

Thats why I'm mad atm.
I don't want to win games or lose games because of drama
thats so fucking unfun and boring and it doesn't feel good.

[Alisae]

Anyhow
I should stop justifying myself for being the bad guy in the room who wanted to say what everyone wanted to say deep down but can't bring themselves to say cause they're nice people.
And I don't blame ywall for that, its just as someone who used to do only what shoshin was doing in thread, I hated myself for it and despised myself for it.

It doesn't make it okay, but when thats not how I want to win my games anymore.

pedit: I'll move on.
VOTE: Shoshin

[Alisae]

no

[Alisae]

yes

[Alisae]

It's kind of hard to play mafia for me emotionally right now

if I contributed for towards this, its okay to blame me.

[Alisae]

nah
its correct to just end the day
by doing so, we'll move on.

[Alisae]

i really just want to see a flip though.

[Alisae]

don't talk to me because I sure as hell don't want to talk to you

[Alisae]

jk ank is cool

[Alisae]

like this is nothing to do with the game or my wincondition really but I would like to know what alignment Shoshin was in this game.

Is it because deep deep down you hope that at the end of the day
she was actually town.

[Alisae]

Cuz I don't

[Alisae]

i want a neighbourhood idc who is in it

gimmie

[Alisae]

as much as I would love to say yes

no
you cannot do that.

[Alisae]

that's like saying cabd did nothing wrong

[Alisae]

can NSG conduct the ceremony?

[Alisae]

I may be stoned
but I wanna install my fuckin mute button again because I actually miss that thing now holy shit

[Alisae]

I have won only 3 scum games on here and I wouldn't even consider any of them normal games so I got lucky.

no one gives a fuck about your personal experiences and I highly doubt shoshin cares either.

[Alisae]

wait I just realized

Vedith was MVP in our forest fire open that just ended. He's absolutely useless here.

he's useless 100% of the time

[Alisae]

oh uh sry ur not going to get interactive gameplay here this is a no interactive gameplay zone

[Alisae]

oh btw
I actually do read some posts
so I can form reads

{Prince, Prince, Prince}
{Touhou Alt, Racecar, Bird Brain, did you know you can save up to 15% on car insurance with Gieko, That one guy who is dissapointed with Vedith's play and is just starting to realize that he does nothing}
{xatnlkc]=iom whatever the fuck ur name is, Person with the weird Doctor Who avatar, DoctorDoNothing}
{Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the lamb}
{I want to townread this useless thing but apparently he's scum?}
{The useless lurker who provides no content, the one that said is this game all shitposting implying that he he doesn't know that mafia is only shitposting}
{Jingle no bells Santa isn't real, This guy who thinks he's going to get interactive gameplay in the NO interactive gameplay zone}

[Alisae]

Im getting up for work rn. Give me half a day.

[Alisae]

no

[Alisae]

@Alisae - I would say you don't have enough experience with vedith then, but you probably have more than I do and just haven't changed your first impressions. He's not always a lurksack. I have eyes I've seen him actually post content before.

never have therefore it doesn't exist sry

[Alisae]

The amount of replacements rn disgusts me so I'm not quitting this

can you just let me and prince tell you where to vote.
You'll slowly be engaged that way.

[Alisae]

ffs, did fa place out already? I hope for the best.

?

[Alisae]

I’m not I get to meme about it

[Alisae]

what

[Alisae]

what

[Alisae]

okay now I will post memes.

[Alisae]

YO
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD MEME

[Alisae]

I think you just want to validate your anger.

what

what

[Alisae]

I think you just want to validate your anger.

what

what

what

what

[Alisae]

that's a nice meme alisae

can I have another one

yes more memes are on the way

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

no more memes

[Alisae]

nvm found some more
yo
found my favorite pokemon girl ever
gun girl

[Alisae]

ok now I truely ran out of memes for now

[Alisae]

I think Prince is scum who has me pocketted

[Alisae]

Because shoshin was supposed to flip scum
And um
Um
It didn’t flip scum


Also you could 100% of bussed grapes I totally see motivation for you to do that.

[Alisae]

Also
Ur alive

[Alisae]

If ur town ummm
Ummm
I think you should have died by now?

[Alisae]

Idunno
Don’t take my word for it tho

[Alisae]

I want you to do more of the things that you do
Idunno, but I don’t really feel good about blindly following you atm.

[Alisae]

Wait
You didn’t want to lynch shoshin

[Alisae]

Sry I was under the impression you wanted to lynch that

[Alisae]

Okay carry on

[Alisae]

Okay your right sorry

[Alisae]

Holy fuck did I press a button?
Dude I’m sorry I’m wrong I’ll let you do you for a bit longer.

[Alisae]

Okay

[Alisae]

VOTE: clemency

[Alisae]

I think Jingle is a cheeky scumfuck

[Alisae]

ok does anyone have a good chunk of experience with FA?

maybe the person who cased her does?
Idunno just a thought

[Alisae]

Frozen Angel was scum here.

And so is Jingle but its more about FA.

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The meta between us two

I've known FA for quite a bit, and I'm a good friend to her.
We also played mafia a bit, most of the memorable games to me are when I was scum vs her town.
This game is kinda how these interactions would play out.
I would awkwardly buddy her
She would feel awkward
I would then push her
and then she would kill me by stabbing me 100 times with forks
and then I would die.
I'M SORRY, I CANNOT INTERACT WITH THIS PERSON NATURALLY AS SCUM.

that is literally all of our interactions, and that game demonstrates it properly.
Not to mention, it was when FA was recently unbanned from MS, she was trying to come back and prove she was a better person then what she used to be (much like myself actually now that I think about it) and this kinda reflects that.

　　　　　　　　　

Okay so if thats what happened, how does that come into play here.

my current main read is that I'm sleepy. I think I'm going to start from there and see how things develop - in bed.

then I have no idea what the fuck you expect from me read wise.
But yush get some sleep dear

FA is probably town btw but its kinda too early to lock it in.

hell its too early to be calling her town but that's how mafia works

This was a really werid read at the time, and a lot of people were kinda concerned about it.
But it is tactical.
It's that awkward buddyish townread that would look like, come from scum!me to town!her, and then an immediate "I really don't want to commit to this and I realized that maybe, I fucked up here."
My expectation from town her is to go aggressive there

Instead, I got this

About Ali I have a bunch of mixed feelings that I'm sorting out rn. But they definitly gave their town read on me "Too early" for my liking. They even said it was too early afterward but I have a hard time digesting it. Waiting for more context from ali tbh.

Town!FA does not sit like this.
She also doesn't do this.
She KNOWS I'm lynchable atm.
This post allows her to sway towards lynching me if my lynch because a thing, or to townread me and try to get me to work with her.

So, I want to force her to take a stance there.

About Ali I have a bunch of mixed feelings that I'm sorting out rn. But they definitly gave their town read on me "Too early" for my liking. They even said it was too early afterward but I have a hard time digesting it. Waiting for more context from ali tbh.

before I read anything gun to head what am I?

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

Alisae is likely to be scum this game.

Strongly disagree
Disagree
maybe
eeeeeh
agree
strongly agree

where u at

eeeeeh if eeeeeh is a little bit stronger than maybe.

I really did not like your work so far about EE read or the read on me but that doesn't suggest you're scum - just need more content from you.

Okay so she scumreads me, cool.
Why am I the one forcing this out and why is she not acting on it?
Overall, all of this kinda points out to this

If you are aware of my play, but chosing not to commit to a stronger read on me because I'll be a bigger juicy push for later. The way you're talking about me made me cautious so I wanted to see if I could make you commit to some kind of more defined stance, even if it was the weakest levels of town or weakest levels of scum. Given how I went about stating my earlier "read" I kinda felt like it would look more like a red flag to you then what you presented.

and she responds with that with

I avoided giving a read on you cause I consider you as someone who is capable of going deep and giving an early read on you is a dangerous act.

In general, I give reads when I have them and I won't vomit reads. That is me in every game.

Again you should remember that about me - how I ask stuff and appear to be not following them. I transparently say what I got but I don't give cheap reads if thats what you're asking of me

The 1st line is bullshit. If you have the ammo to kill that person, you fucking go for the kill.
The rest is true, especially the last bit.
She's aware I'm lynchable, just doesn't want to go for that yet, and probably go for it later.

And while she outs the wolfread on Shoshin, she outs it on me, because we both know that based on our interactions, if we're not the same alignment, we're probably going to fight.

Basically, what it comes down to is meta manipulation.
The read on me looks fake and if she was town, she wouldn't have any reason to hold back and interact with me a bit more aggressively.

　　　　　　　　　

The bits Prince has to add to her play.

first off, FA isn't some unpredictable rage monster. In a world where FA is town there's no reason for her to be pissed off as she was.
She gets ultra pissed off as scum when she feels like her teammates are making shitty associatives with her. Shoshin was attacking all the townreads on her in a really SvS way.
Go read Antihero's game from a few years back where she replaced out in similar fashion and was super pissed off at Gamma Emerald.

Both Jingle and Shoshin have also been calling each other town, completely unexplained from Shoshin's perspective, Jingle we just saw
Also Shoshin is good enough to not be this dead wrong on Jingle when he hasn't even played well as scum
I can buy people who generally are not super good players like EE making this mistake, but not Shoshin. she's scum

Alright, who are you thinking about other than Jingle/Shosh? I agree the interaction there is awkward, but my read on shoshin is a lot of "wow you're a bad person doing a lot of anti-town things"

And for some reason I keep thinking that she's got it stuck in her head that doing anti-town things is townie, and for that reason I excuse it. Can you counter?

Shoshin is a really good player as town. she's just not town here.

The first paragraph makes sense. I feel like should 100% have a different approach to that if she was town then this.
Like, I feel like even with the whole shoshin self-voting issue being a thing, FA wouldn't blow up about that as town.

　　　　　　　　　

THIS FUCKING TOWNREAD.

btw lets talk about what jingle did.
I read 0 of jingle's posts up to this point but these

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

Alisae is likely to be scum this game.

Strongly disagree
Disagree
maybe
eeeeeh
agree
strongly agree

where u at

RVS town on Ali.

To ISO
Lycanfire
Xtoxm

To IGNORE
Gamma Emerald
NerfedBuJ

To TOWN
Alisae
Reiuji Utsuho
Vedith
Karmeleon

To SCUM
PvtUrist
Extrapolated Eagle

To ANNOY UNTIL THEY START MAKING ALIGNMENT NOISES
Shoshin
DoubtingThomas
Clemency
DrDolittle
grapes
mcqueen


Groups very vague, honestly don't have much to go on outside of my townreads.

PVT scumread: fluffposting, no content. Feels like he's trying hard to avoid stepping on toes. Notable posts: 47 402 462 467

EE Scumread: Cares a lot about self image. Does a lot, says a lot, wants to be in the spotlight, but I still can't remember anything that actually feels like he's accomplished something. Universal townready feel, but there's absolutely nothing in his ISO that looks unfakeable, nor do I see an attempt to push forward into anything real. Basically, he has his fingers in all the pies, but I don't think he's actually baking.

Vedith: Posts like these:

I don't think I want Shoshin lynched day1

So I pick a vote out if vanity and just let Shoshin get lynched for bad reasoning?

Additionally, I can grok his trajectory. There's a clear intention to his posts, and that intention is to figure out motivations. He's been proactive, a lot of what he says matches what I think, and he's got a townish air of "I'm going to try to gamesolve" while not seeming to give a shit that his stances aren't getting him towncred.

Alisae: Given Ali's experience with me this:

even more reason to lynch the slot tbh

ouch. That hurts, ali.

always scum dude <3

is >rand town.

Additionally, antagonistic and aggressive stance indicates an openness and willingness that strengthens that read.

T-Thats not gonna make me townread you
B-Baka

Cool beans. Being townread is boring. I work way better when I don't get nk'd in the first couple of dayphases.

FA's replace out was a little oversensitive imo, although I understand that some people don't have particularly thick skins. I wouldn't blame Shoshin for DT at all.


I'm not dropping my PVT read yet. PR seems like I don't need to prod him tho.

VOTE: Gemerald

Don't worry, Alisae. It's fine. You can vote me.

Arbitrary Townreads for at least another day:
Reiuji Utsuho
Karmeleon
mcqueen

Actual Townreads:
Prince of Renais
Alisae
Extrapolated Eagle

Scumreads:
DrDolittle
Dannflor

Fuckit, who cares:
Shoshin
NerfedBuJ
Lycanfire
Clemency
Vedith
Xtoxm
Gamma Emerald

Top of each group stronger, roughly.

I have ~100% correct read rate on Alisae.
now tbf I've never actually played a game with Alisae
I've just modded or spectated them
But e's town
pretty sure of it
and I'm only lynching people I'll vote

cause it's slightly meme-y

THIS TOWNREAD IS SO FAKE
What is even weirder is that nobody even thought to question it.

　　　　　　　　　

Jingle's attempt to slow this shoshin wagon

But this started to irk me.

that's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Not really, no. You know why, and if you want we can talk about it in a while. But you're smart enough to know it's true.

I don't think you're wrong. I just also think you would be in that headspace regardless of what else had happened this game.

I believe PR scumreads Shoshin here regardless of both of their alignments for :reasons:, FWIW.

feels like these kind of comments are only necessary if PR survives the night

which honestly probably never happens

Not really, no. It's the kind of comment designed to throttle votes onto shoshin so that we don't get a speed wagon and have more to analyze. I just gave people a valid way to not want to be on the wagon, and I want to see what comes of that.

Has pretty much nothing to do with PR.

Also, I'd totally not kill him here, because mafia is more fun when it's hard.

He knows who Prince is, I know who Prince is.
I don't think this is town behavoir.
And this proves it:

God no, Elli's boring to argue against.

For those who don't know, Elli is a Tool Assisted Scumhunter. Thats his reputation.
Is this cheating or not? fuck if I know
what I do know is that the reads Elli spits out are really accurate, and people know this.
The day would go on and as soon as he say this person was scum, the town AGREED to lynch them, and they flipped scum.
And then he would die, and then his other scumreads would be lynched.

Prince is equally just as good at the game.

I don't think trying to stop that is something that town!Jingle would do.
It's just, not.

[Alisae]

See
Ank gets it
that post was great

[Alisae]

hot

[Alisae]

btw ywall should come pre-in into the games I'm modding

[Alisae]

@NSG I can’t convince myself to get excited or be happy about this game anymore I’m sorry I really don’t want to be that one guy that always replaces out of games they can’t enjoy but I’m replacing out

[Alisae]

Hi i hate my play here
Sorry

[Alisae]

@Shoshin, I know you don’t care and kinda want me to rot in hell, but I am sorry.
I’m used to people who AtE a lot for empathy and that AtE ended up ruining games and making them enjoyable for no one.
I kinda thought your own AtE was manipulative so I kind of just snapped and said what I said because that response would generally stop whatever you were doing and make people not fall for it or think its real.
I don’t think any amount of justification I can make will make what I said okay tho.

[Alisae]

Sorry for misreading your personality Alisae. I thought you as like a person would rep-out way earlier as town, instead of playimg a game you weren't enjoying or trying in. (Also I hate to admit it but your play was way worse than your reputation and that played a factor. If anything I wish I didn't know your name so I would judge you more objectively. Maybe not you in this game, but your replacement.)

I think you’re completely in the right for your read tbh.
I’m just stubborn and hate replacing out when I am starting to see me replacing out becoming a trend.
My play doesn’t really have much of a reputation anyways, its my modding that does.
I know my play was garbage so getting scumread for it is well...correct?
/shrug

[Alisae]

I blame Ali for me being in the game at all though

Sorry for being a disappointment I guess

[Alisae]

I mean you like playing with me in general but my play here was awful
/shrug