Your play today put you on the table for a Lynch fmpov as well so eh.In post 8392, Nev and Max wrote:With the way they have almost been conducting a coordinated assault on our slot i could easily see PP being scum with Drew.In post 8389, RCEnigma wrote:Only if PP is scum with either drewva or Profii, Nev.
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So Ascetic was a gifts let role in Nero/Gammas game N1 and I think in creature/Dave's game?? But Profii as a scum inventor could have sent Ascetic to Elsa as well.In post 8396, Nev and Max wrote:
When did elsa claim traitor? Was it day 1? If scum thought it was true and then won a boonus round with ascetic in it, elsa would be a great choice to be gifted something that would essentially conceal them.In post 8391, Jingle wrote:Elsa is either traitor gifted ascetic N1 or town.- RCEnigma
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I'd agree with this actually, I don't think the flipped scum roles are weak enough to warrant a role like Drewva's on their side.In post 8394, DrewVa wrote:
If we could put three people in boonus and also redirect night actions this setup would be wildly scumsidedIn post 8385, BrightEyedFish wrote:
DrewVa's role is confirmed but is the role AI?In post 8382, Jingle wrote:Profii- inventor
Drewva- activator
BEF- SFVendor
There are only 3 non whitelisted roles possible.
In order for a redirector to be in the setup, one of those has to not be. DrewVa's role is funtionally confirmed by the fact that the activations did actually happen.
BEF's role is confirmed by the existence of sticky fruit.
If profii made up his role he could be a redirector. It would be incredibly bad play to fakeclaim a role that was going to be mechanically confirmed as scum later in the game, so profii almost certainly has a variant role.
Profii might actually have to be scum and that confuses me
But it also excites me lol
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I don't know you, or how you play. Your defensive rants, abrasive nature, and insulting tone are all scummy to me but I know people play that way as town *cough* Nero.In post 8401, Nev and Max wrote:
And look what happens when people actually fucking acknowledge me in real time and interact with me. Crazy how that shit happens.In post 8397, RCEnigma wrote:
Your play today put you on the table for a Lynch fmpov as well so eh.In post 8392, Nev and Max wrote:
With the way they have almost been conducting a coordinated assault on our slot i could easily see PP being scum with Drew.In post 8389, RCEnigma wrote:Only if PP is scum with either drewva or Profii, Nev.- RCEnigma
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Fair.In post 8406, Nev and Max wrote:
I just get frustrated because I dont understand the game sometimes and I feel like there is still a level of players above me who just talk in this other language and I get lost. Then when I see something and start pushing it I get shoved to the kiddy table while the adults are talking. So I lash out.In post 8404, Jingle wrote:No one talk to N&M. It makes them salty, which is funny as hell FMPOV.- RCEnigma
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A scum activator has the potential to control every boonus round. Which has the potential to make town completely vanilla. I think that's what mountainous setups are here? But I could be wrong I'm not sure. If they can manipulate the entire game in that way I'm surprised how we got even this far.In post 8407, Jingle wrote:
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Every targeting role in the game has the potential to become as strong as a full cop. Town has a literal fuckton of power in this game, gated only by the swinginess of winning prizes.
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Add to that I don't know why scum activator would ever activate town. From there based on how Xtoxm played the boonus round openly claiming to start leads me to believe he's not scum with drewva. He didn't try to manipulate the boonus round in any way which would be a priority with a scum activator imo.- RCEnigma
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So with 3 activations there could potentially be 1 scum in each initial round to gate any +1 to town and even possibly win it for themselves if the conditions are right.In post 8412, Jingle wrote:As claimed Drewva only influences 1/3 of the player list for the initial Boonus rounds, and does so publically. The role is completely viable for scum. Mechanical clears are only there for actual mechanical reasons.
Still, DrewVa is probably town, but it has nothing to do with their role.
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Small sample size. Also I was in OK2 and see why Nancy would play a boonus round with you night 1 that way knowing what kind of player Nancy is.In post 8421, BrightEyedFish wrote:
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Lol I fall into this too thinking scum are going to play perfectly.In post 8446, Thanos wrote:Could be bad scum play too- RCEnigma
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I have yet to see anything that indicates roles have permanent modifiers to start the game.In post 8512, DrewVa wrote:
if you are scum, you only passed to profii because your action was locked before night ended and you didn't realize you were not winning in the boonus round.In post 8502, BrightEyedFish wrote:I gave profii the fruit because I tr him. If I was scum do you think I would pass it to town!profii?
I have to consider it given what else I know about what profii will eventually claim; I had some pretty good reasons to think he was town ngl
Boon also does occasionally do really weird bullshit. One of the two of you could be withold part of your claim; you could be a disloyal sticky fruit vendor; profii could be a disloyal inventor.
disloyal scum sticky fruit vendor would theoretically explain why you would eventually plan to cross-claim profii
like either way there had to be some pretty wifomy plays made this game
I still find it mindblowing that profii would try to generate a lynch on TLK by lying about who he gave fruit 0.o
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Then night 3 you sent another fruit out? Gifts don't take a charge from your role ability do they?
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If I'm motion detector or tracker or something with a false negative and he refutes it by hard claiming PR isn't that more reason to hold to my claim? Also theres no way I get Una lynched in that scenario with SS just having come off his rug pull. So why out my check as scum unprompted and without the intention of lynching Una?In post 8595, Thanos wrote:Correcting your claim, over lynching Una over the contradiction?
Una lynch means you're lynched next when Una flips named townie.
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Last night he neighborized. Does PP have multitasking?In post 8574, PenguinPower wrote:Last night, I used my loyal 1-shot neighborizer on [DrewVa], and now [she] [is] confirmed town to me.- RCEnigma
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Then I'm stuck with a Bunyip claim. Or I could have held it and cross claimed someone here in massclaim.In post 8608, Thanos wrote:Towncred? There's no reason for scum *not* to fakeclaim early, now, is there?- RCEnigma
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Sure if I was scum fake claiming and retracting it would make Una hard to Lynch. I also wouldn't hard townread Una the whole day before. I asked what it gained me however. That definitely doesn't gain me towncred so.In post 8615, Thanos wrote:So I think I correctly detailed scum motivation in retracting the claim over pushing Una over the contradiction, especially since you admit Una would be hard to lynch; and also questioned why claiming early is necessarily town indicative.
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Because I would be actively initiating a 1v1 with my hard townread which is ?????In post 8621, Thanos wrote:No, I mean if you didn't retract it Una would still be hard to lynch.
Why would hard townreading Una have anything to do with that?
Retracting the claim was beneficial for scum!you; cause not doing so would get you killed.
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Hmm you're right.In post 8627, Jingle wrote:
Nope. This would mean that stickyfruit would have transferred itself to profii's target N1. Penguin.In post 8624, RCEnigma wrote:I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.- RCEnigma
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Why would Bef know what it is?In post 8629, DrewVa wrote:
In which case shouldn't bef know what it is and therefore be lying by omission?In post 8624, RCEnigma wrote:I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.
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Anything that incriminates Penguin incriminates drewva.In post 8633, Jingle wrote:Oh yeah. Creature confirmation and profii townflip incriminates Penguin. BEF scumflip incriminates one of the day 1 winners.- RCEnigma
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I still wanted to hear your thought there jingle.In post 8644, RCEnigma wrote:Why wouldn't PP be loyal on a Profii townflip?- RCEnigma
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If both are town it means TLK probably didn't have the stickyfruit which is what this 1v1 is based on.In post 8760, DrewVa wrote:
How did TLK fuck us exactly?In post 8731, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: profii
he was in my town core too
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Is Drewva your better Lynch? Discounting some fucked mechanic there's one between Bef or profii. We're guaranteed to hit scum tonday or tomorrow.In post 9045, Nev and Max wrote:
How do you know that profii has no ability at night? If he is scum then he could have easily lied.In post 9024, RCEnigma wrote:Profii as scum doesn't have a nightly impact but Bef scum does.
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I'm still waiting to be gifted a vig shot.In post 9070, Elsa Jay wrote:I want it to go on record I claimed Traitor day 1 this game and am still alive by some miracle.
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It's workload related idk an exact post.In post 9078, Nev and Max wrote:
Hey PP, you must be on mobile again, so heres a repost.In post 9064, Nev and Max wrote:
Ok fine. Can you point me in the direction of that conversation so I can look at it for myself? I'm not even sure who to iso to find it.In post 9063, PenguinPower wrote:Umm...I missed a post that didn't really mean much...you missed entire concepts. Same thing...
If you're town, stop playing the "woe is me" card. It's scummy.
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Profiis reads aren't necessary they just would have been nice to have. I've already voted.
Couple thoughts to keep in mind if both flip town jingle could be gaming. A Profii green flip means PP is loyal. A scum stickyfruit vendor and scum fruit vendor would make me lol. Hope this is a thing now tbh.
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They are aligned and playing as such idk why that's surprising.In post 9099, Nev and Max wrote:I reposted and then he said he didnt understand. You were quick to come to his aid though...- RCEnigma
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N&m is the only protective claimed with a shot so scum likely has to deal with him if he's town and if he isn't we have an absurd amount of mislynches so, meh.In post 9108, DrewVa wrote:
i.e., if N&M is informed of how BEF flips, does that therefore make N&M a more consistent red flip than BEF despite the 1v1?In post 9086, DrewVa wrote:I'm just wondering because it seems like right now you're trying to bait the lynch away from him to yourself right now.
So either you know he is scum and he has a more valuable role than yours, or you know he is town and you want to give everyone shit before the flip.
Either way I don't really see how your play at this moment is uninformed.
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