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[insomnia]

Moreover, this question is actually pointless, what information do you achieve from my response? We are two separate persons and we have different reads, the question in itself is wrong, why do I have to respond for what my slot did prior to my own personal actions?

To see if there is consistency? I've never replaced so far but I think I'd be sure my line of thought is similar to the previous guy, especially as scum. Are you?

Actually the worst post you’ve made by far. Of course there will be inconsistency regardless because we tr based on different tells, replacements are usually known to be a threat to scum because they see stuff that people didn’t see at the time the current action happened (like I am with BuJ right now) and besides, I replaced him when flippy was at 7 votes and the mason theory wasn’t available only after stanley died. Here’s some “inconsistency” if that’s what you call it. This is what I mean by “your question makes no sense”, there’s no way to know how Amor would’ve reacted in terms of lynching creature after stanley flipped mason and he was hardcore defending Creature => Creature probs mason. I don’t agree with your BuJ read as well as Sasha, Nero.

[insomnia]

now watch him alt slip onto Flapjack

Almost happened

[insomnia]

Fuck flapjack to be honest, he was trash anyway

[insomnia]

I town read RC for the record.

Remind my why RC is town or is it just "scum wouldn't be so blatantly scummy."

You asked me my read on him, check my ISO out.

Look, I do know I can look sus and I don’t know how to lead a lynch, a lot of people doubt me so they don’t really vote with me. If we come to a compromise, I’m willing to scratch my ego and vote with you on RC. I’m not saying I’m right on him in regards to reads, but if we lynch RC and he flips town, tomorrow you have to push Sasha with me. Period. Otherwise I’m not voting.

If one of us dies tonight, then it builds up my case. Scum clearly see nobody is backing me up, so if they take you out, nobody will push with me. Same goes if I’m dead, it means I poked someone long enough to get a response.

Nero, haven’t seen a reply yet

[insomnia]

I’ll reconsider my scum read on BuJ, obviously

[insomnia]

Also, one more question, BuJ, if you’re saying that sasha is conftown because profii is scum and profii said he town reads Sasha, how do you feel about his post saying “I know this will come off sus but I think RCE is town” . Why are you pushing RCE and not Sasha?

@BuJ fine, how about from this game then

[insomnia]

Why is RCe town then if you're so sure?
Why is sasha scum after he and profii told you he's not capable of voting profii the way he did as scum?

Why is he not able to? Maybe profii is just underestimating him.

[insomnia]

So you don’t think he’s wrong on Sasha as well?

[insomnia]

Ok RCE, wanna give a scum list that we can follow if you flip town?

[insomnia]

Profii

[insomnia]

If RC flips town, we lynch Sasha, agreed, BuJ?

[insomnia]

@Creature give thoughts on this

[insomnia]

I'd Lynch any of Sasha, Bujaber, eyes, overkill, Profii. No particular order.

This is a good scum read list, if this flips scum then my reads are trash

[insomnia]

VOTE: RCE

[insomnia]

It isn’t tied to association, we can’t come to a consensus so we made a deal. I follow his reads and if rc flips town, he follows mine.

[insomnia]

I didn't agree to that but whatever makes you vote RC

Of course you don’t, why would you bus

[insomnia]

he's already voting RC...

I’m speaking from a scenario where BuJ wants RCE mislynched and I said if he flips town, sasha is getting lynched and he said “no”. I had them both as scum reads, BuJ doesn’t agree to lynching sasha if RC flips town, so BuJ doesn’t want to bus scum sasha, I wasn’t talking about him bussing RC

[insomnia]

It isn’t tied to association, we can’t come to a consensus so we made a deal. I follow his reads and if rc flips town, he follows mine.

Ok thanks, This happens because you townnread each other, right?

Yup, and given that town never follows my reads I have to resort to short-term deals and buy townies into voting scum which I find weird

[insomnia]

If you’re talking about sasha in this reply and you can post the posts (oof) , I think vig (if we have one) should shoot Sasha without any regrets

[insomnia]

RCE doesn’t flip scum, there’s no rce team going on

[insomnia]

I’m voting him so we can rely on my reads and I’m hoping you will be a man of honour and respect our deal

[insomnia]

His day 1 ISO where you claim that’s where you scum hunt the easiest shows signs of town and not a single sign of scum

[insomnia]

how can town be this bad?

How is he bad, what did he do to be bad?

[insomnia]

So I can prove my point since people don’t listen to me. I’ve clearly stated I have issues getting townies to vote with me, so if I detach Nero from his tunnel on town RC and release him of his paranoia, we can push scum like you and sasha. I’ve also admitted that my reads won’t always be perfect so I’m willing to listen and trust Nero as well, after all, he’s a more experienced player in here.

[insomnia]

BuJ why tf do you even complain? I thought a RC flip would generate a shit ton of information, or are you trying to set up the next mislynch on me after RC flips town?

[insomnia]

What’s so hard to understand? I’m voting with you, why are you throwing shade? I said I’m willing to vote RCE and if he’s town, you already have his reads that are similar to mine, if he flips scum, I’m off your ass

[insomnia]

you know what, nevermind.

His 97 on you is a solid accusation, you can’t just go “idk” after that.

His 1301 is helping a town get rid of the suspicion on him and trying to redirect people on to a safer lynch

His 980 contains information that’s relevant to town and he ends his post trying to be reasonable with you and not omgusing you

His 597 refutes any scum team that people are advocating to lynch that’s formed of RCE and Enigma (might’ve exaggerated on this, but still)

His 189 was right in regards to Flippy’s contribution and he gave reasons that (even though would look scummy to the average player) are fine and worth taking into consideration especially in this setup and considering it was also first day

And his 842 was there because I was confused about the vig claim and I asked about it

[insomnia]

I will give him another look during my lunchtime.

I lliked the posts 160, 209, 419, 530 and 866
From 1172, he turns to RCE.
Not too long after this, 1310 on Creature.
1741 now he's on me....
1796But changes to Enigma real quick.

I sense a bit of opportunism in the later posts. I'm still townreading him, but maybe not as hard as before. He could be an excellent scum. This is not an easy game for town.

You see, you are trying to be too perfect. You don’t have a conclusive “this is scum, let’s push this / this is town, let’s not push this” , your vote changes as the town’s voting changes and you hop on wagons as they change. You’re aiming to be a perfect player and you don’t want to leave a trail behind for people to pick on “this leans towards a townread but can be scum” is just an excuse if later on you’ll get accused for voting someone. You are too afraid to give a scum read to a town because you think that would look scummy. This is why I’m voting you. I don’t know how people don’t see this shit. You’re just analysing ISOs without a conclusion. You’re scared to fuck up because you know people will push you for that. That’s why you’re scum.

[insomnia]

The problem is that there are 3 or 4 of you who are constantly posting, meaning everyone else is always trying to catchup. More balanced activity would result from that IMO. It's not good that Nero has 350 posts in this game.

If people wanted to post, they would’ve posted, not an excuse for low activity

[insomnia]

You know what nero, you buying into Sasha’s whole ISO is bizzare. The only thing he’s done this game is analyzing ISOs without conclusive reads, buddying creature and asking me questions that are irrelevant towards game solving. If this is not scum, we’re getting rod of the scummiest town by far. It’s the mafias job to get rid of the towniest towns and our job to get rid of the scummiest, because they might turn out to be scum.

[insomnia]

If he ends up in a LyLo, he’s the easiest target by far. Just vote him and call it a day, I’m not voting RCE if town doesn’t express their opinion at all, deal’s off, guts against solid info.

VOTE: Sasha

[insomnia]

@Nero, you want Sash in LyLo?

[insomnia]

Sash will never get night killed

[insomnia]

7/10 times he’s just scum (totally subjective percentage)

[insomnia]

You won’t, scum need you alive or you are scum. It’s not the mafs job to take out the scummiest town when they can be easy mislynches, if you would die, it would mean mafia doesn’t have experience on this website.

But to answer your hypothetical question, BuJ would be a good push.

[insomnia]

Sash will never get night killed

So you know I'm town... why are you still voting me? What liability would I be in lylo?

You didn’t get my point.

[insomnia]

VOTE: RCE

[insomnia]

Yeye

[insomnia]

it's not totally unrealistic that its just an sash/rce/lycan and enigma team and his buddies just flash bussed him?

Highly doubting that, it would require a really good level of cooperation that can’t be formed unless they had previous experiences with each other, which I find unlikely

[insomnia]

I'm assuming we dont have any invests btw cuz holy shit.

Would investigatives reveal themselves at this point? Looks early to me, but what do I know...

Let’s put up some statistics and see if it’s worth

13 players left - 4 scums (ew) = 9 townies.

If investigator outs themselves and has 2 different checks that did not die, that’s confirming 3 players (investigator + the other 2)

In this specific scenario, I don’t find it worth it to out an investigative given that even if it helps a little bit with PoE, the scum pool is still large, it will be 6 unconfirmed towns (supposedly, if my scenario is respected) and 4 scums, so 4/10 odds, 40% chance of hitting scum, 60% hitting town

On the other hand, if the investigative found scum and is waiting for something, I don’t know what they’re doing

[insomnia]

Hope my math is right

[insomnia]

Prod dodging yeet

[insomnia]

Yaaaa

VOTE: Profii

Yeeeeet

[insomnia]

L-1 on profii

[insomnia]

I don't get why Sasha would get killed unless he got a few scums right with his vote or in his reads. I'll have to look in his ISO.

[insomnia]

Why the fuck is creature not dead yet btw?

[insomnia]

I'm VT*.

[insomnia]

Yup, perfectly fine, it was my bad.

[insomnia]

I don't like Creature not wanting to out his role. I've already said I believe he's mason due to stanley defending him, so there's no reason for him to hide his role since I basically outted it already. If he doesn't want to claim, then it means he isn't the role I believed he was, so the only thing that kept him out of my lynch pool is now refuted.

[insomnia]

Creature is conf town.

How so?

[insomnia]

Roster, can you explain your reasoning for "80% clear" Why 80%? Is there a scum role that doesn't appear as having a gun?

[insomnia]

Daily reminder that the scum team is both enigmas, lycan, and insomnia.

Siri...

Set a reminder on the 22nd of March, 12:00 PM EET to tell everyone that Lycan, both enigmas and Insomnia are scum.

[insomnia]

Nevermind lol

[insomnia]

Damn did our whole scumteam claim VT? That's boss.

We're caught, what can we do

[insomnia]

Damn did our whole scumteam claim VT? That's boss.

We're caught, what can we do

This was supposed to be in the PT, oof

[insomnia]

Does it? I'll answer.

It doesn't when there's no case on me and when you town read me yesterday.

[insomnia]

Why would I want sash dead when I was leading a lynch on him

[insomnia]

Don't throw the shade on me for lynching profii, you advocated a profii lynch at the beginning of the day.

I called off the deal because it was only me and you in it and BuJ said he didn't want to follow me.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Succint

I'll let this here and wait for reactions. In the meantime, people that got triggered by this vote might as well explain why they town read succint.

After nero said my case on RCE was trash, I scrolled through and Succint parked his vote on profii and then didn't do shit.

[insomnia]

Apologizes, he gave a reads list.

[insomnia]

Reposting

@Insomnia - any change in reads?

Completely clueless. A part of me wants to lynch Eyes because half of his day one votes were vedith sheep votes. I also didn't check overkill's ISO at all, I'll have to take a look.

I feel like we're letting people off the hook too easily, especially lurkers.

[insomnia]

Creature / Nero

[insomnia]

That's really unacceptable at this point in the game.

Me being clueless, or us letting lurkers off the hook?

[insomnia]

I have two scum reads and you have them both on your list

[insomnia]

wtf Jibils tmi slip is fake look at the meta.
BuJabers vote on them is weak and could almost be classed as OMGUS, thats probably my tunnel for today.
Im reading some more now, but I dont think jibils iso warrants a scum read.
@everyone on the wagon: Why are you voting Jibil

@Nero - what makes it bad thinking? If you have a blanket policy to reject such trains of thought because it's not your style then that doesn't mean I'm wrong. What is bad about my thinking in this specifoc instance.

@overkill - way to throw out a buzzword that completely reverses the order of game events.

I mean, they are just being a shitter, im 90% sure its NAI.
Re reading later because im pretty sure that BuJaber is town.
UNVOTE: Bujaber

Nice tunnel.

P-edit : Overkill and Eyes. I’m probably voting eyes today.

[insomnia]

0verki11's done two pretty uniquely towny things that come from MU players

The first was promoting a CFD (chinese fire drill) off of Jibril when one was still viable

The other has been providing cover for masons, which is basically commonplace meta there. That's not to say 0verki11 can't do MU-things here that seem vaguely towny in order to sound towny, but at the same time I'm not convinced he isn't a mason, but I imagine we'll have a good idea by the end of day.

Is he still your top scumread?

Why are you defending him? I’m pretty sure he can do that himself. Aren’t you afraid that if he flips scum you’ll be accused as his scum bud defending him?

[insomnia]

VOTE: RCEnigma

LYNCH MINUS ONE, PROCEED WITH CAUTION!

[insomnia]

I’m not sure if Nero is bad scum or just a bad town player.

We’ll have to see.

Tomorrow we’re lynching Overki11 no questions asked if this flips town. Is there an /ignore command, I think you guys should use that on Nero from now

[insomnia]

I agree with roster’s Succint and Overkill, maybe even eyes, but god damn is nero pissing me off

[insomnia]

Lycan, if RCE flips town, what does that tell you?

[insomnia]

Not even going to defend myself, Creature is just bad this game. Honestly.

And people shouldn't follow him because he's "conftown"

That doesn't make you a scum hunting god. People aren't aware of that fact.

I claimed VT. I gave reads. Cya

[insomnia]

An RCE flip reveals overki11 as scum, why are you pushing me, had an epiphany?

[insomnia]

If he flips town => overki11 scum

If he flips scum, we lynch scum. so...

[insomnia]

A me lynch is stupid and provides no information. VCA won't tell shit because people are sheeping your vote because you are "conftown" and using that as an excuse to mislynch town. Creature shouldn't be the one leading wagons.

[insomnia]

If he flips scum, we lynch scum. so...

this should lead you somewhere but it doesn't and that's odd.

It points to you being town, overki11 town and BuJ town for advocating a lynch on him. Also, at least one person off his wagon is scum. Want additional info?

[insomnia]

It actually proves all of us on the wagon as town. Not so sure on the hammer.

[insomnia]

I told you, everyone on the wagon will be town. Not sure on the hammer. I've already said Eyes is suspicious for being off-wagons at all times.

[insomnia]

You aren't getting any credit, trust me. If anything, you're losing it. You've only mislynched townies up until this point. Wanna continue your streak? Vote me.

[insomnia]

Anyways, creature, just hammer this. If this flips scum, I'm voting Enigma next.

[insomnia]

He's not more suspicious, but he's a scum read. I said I'll vote enigma next.

[insomnia]

True, I just don't like being mislynched. cba with.

[insomnia]

I am, but you aren't hammering.

[insomnia]

Looked at the wrong vc, sorry.

[insomnia]

You voting people still confused me.

[insomnia]

Ok, I'll get on this tomorrow, too tired to understand what's going on.

[insomnia]

Town has bussed itself all game like, if I were scum I'd feel pretty confident in townread all of my partners. This game is that bad.

Kind of feeling the same

[insomnia]

Town has bussed itself all game like, if I were scum I'd feel pretty confident in townread all of my partners. This game is that bad.

Actually laughed at this thinking if you flip scum and Nero reads me as scum, imagine town needing scum on wagons to lynch scum when town has majority lmao

[insomnia]

You are the best thing to happen to a scum team since day talk.

@Creature

[insomnia]

VOTE: Insomnia

Rather opportunistic, Chicken Nuggets. Why not RCE?

[insomnia]

Hi scum reading/imsonia/Flapjack/altslipping squad

How's it going?

Just great, why?

[insomnia]

I'm fine with lynching Lycan > Overki11 > Eyes > Succint

[insomnia]

He can take Overki11’s spot now that Creature revealed mason

[insomnia]

Wait, is this LyLo?

[insomnia]

Now I’m fucking paranoid with Creature outing only now when Overki11 was accused by both me and RCEnigma

I guess this theory can be backed up or refuted, I don’t know how masons work, I feel like stan1ey made a huge mistake that Creature took advantage for. It would make sense why Lycan would always vote with Creature on every town mislynch.

BuJ and Roster, opinions on this?

Regardless, just to make sure, the lynch today would probably have to be Lycan, even if my theory is right or wrong

[insomnia]

Creature only outs in LyLo to defend his scum bud that was accused by me and RCE

Also, Lycan has also backed overki11 up, when overki11 could’ve done that himself

I don’t know if Creature’s claim is legit. Someone please explain if there can be 3 masons and if there are, where are any crumbs that overki11 is also a mason (stan1ey’s iso)

[insomnia]

imsonia is pretty much scum

Yup

[insomnia]

Placing intent to vote Eyes

[insomnia]

Actually on Enigma

[insomnia]

Scumteam is Enigma/Lycan/insomnia/Eyes

You have two days to convince me otherwise

Who? Me?

I'm advocating an enigma lynch man, I don't disagree with you

[insomnia]

You'll have to replace me from that, but mainly, I guess?

[insomnia]

So, assuming BuJ vs Enigma is scum vs Town, then roster would be my replacement in that.

But I still don't know why we're town reading succint?

Roster didn't crumb and while I do disagree with crumbing as a mechanical play, a GS check like he had is total bs. Seems like he's covering his team mates from this and checked obvious townies. I don't like that.

So it'd probably be roster if you believe Succint is town. Although he didn't do shit. But cool.

[insomnia]

gg Over/Enigma/Lycan/me were scum. Mod said the game would end if town voted another town.

Are you joking here?

[insomnia]

I suppose you were the mason, am I correct?

??? lmao

[insomnia]

Creature, are you playing with me or what

[insomnia]

VOTE: Enigma

McFeetus Deletus

[insomnia]

I am killproof and I’m voting whoever Creature wants me to vote

Scums need me alive because I’m a mislynch, pay attention to the ones that throw shade on me

Roster

[insomnia]

VOTE: Engima
No point in waiting

uhhh are you scum?

Uhhh you aren’t quickhammered with two votes on you

Uhhhh

[insomnia]

There’s 3 votes.

I could hammer...

Takes 5 to lynch.

[insomnia]

Hoping your scum bud gets away from this one?

[insomnia]

or you just have to wait for all the scum to be online before a quick hammer

quite sure succinct, buj and insomnia are scum ...

not sure about eyes or lycan, but im guessing eyes because they are waiting for him to return for the quick hammer

If anybody buys into this bullcrap we deserve the loss imo.

Why would they wait for eyes to get back online? Aren't there 4 scum? They just need two people to quickhammer you. They wouldn't rely on eyes to come back online.

[insomnia]

Oh I see what you mean, from your pov the team is me/buj/eyes/succint.

I'm not scum, BuJ is not scum, Succint was and still is being universally town read.

Your reads are bad and you're hiding your scum buds with these reads. I'm pretty sure everyone in that list is town, maybe not eyes.

[insomnia]

I see there has been no quickhammer so far?

What does that tell you?

[insomnia]

Fuck we lost

[insomnia]

sneaky lycan

[insomnia]

Yus

[insomnia]

More surprised you were town lmao

[insomnia]

or you aren't?

[insomnia]

I stayed up all night for this shit

So who's the scum team

[insomnia]

I stayed up all night for this shit

So who's the scum team

Harro?

[insomnia]

Insomnia you were town :O

He should have freed his mind from confirmation bias.

I was watcher.
I was just scum.

If he hadn't been so obsessed with proving I weren't watcher I wouldn't have any sort of argument to defend myself.

Though creature townreading succinct woulda probably been good game anyway.

Well, I've said Succint is scum. Creature said he's not.

Then I said Buj is probably scum. Nero said he's not.

What else do you want me to do fam

[insomnia]

I was going to ask if nobody suspects the crumb from post 700>

[insomnia]

Insomnia you were town :O

He should have freed his mind from confirmation bias.

I was watcher.
I was just scum.

If he hadn't been so obsessed with proving I weren't watcher I wouldn't have any sort of argument to defend myself.

Though creature townreading succinct woulda probably been good game anyway.

what's conf bias

[insomnia]

Don't sign up for games you won't play.

Me?

[insomnia]

I'm glad with how I played, reads were pretty good. We got stomped.

[insomnia]

I hate that as well