Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Something_Smart

Always a smart idea to vote him.

[Alchemist21]

It’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for him.

[Alchemist21]

Nope.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: fuscosco

b-baka

I've seen this from scum quite a bit.
Voting themselves rather than trying to pick a random target.

VOTE: Fuscosco

What differentiates Fuscosco from Something Smart to you?

[Alchemist21]

hi

VOTE: rcenigma

rce can you please elaborate on what about SS's opening was wolfy to you?

He just did this as scum in a game where someone else replicated a recent scum opening and was townread for it. They were town but that isn't the point.

I’m confused here. He self-voted in response to someone making what was really an NAI play?

P-edit: ??? :thonk:

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Something_Smart
I concur.

[Alchemist21]

S_S and Fuscosco are obviously not scum together. Likewise S_S and HitAlt.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

Can you show your work?

I assume scum pay some attention to what their buddies are doing. Fuscosco isn't going to duplicate your self-vote, and HitAlt isn't going to fail to notice that you made one. I guess in the latter case he could just be lying, but I don't think that's what's happening.

I like this post.

[Alchemist21]

So Something Smart did the same thing that Creature did twice as both alignments?

[Alchemist21]

Just realized that I accidentally copied Alchemist's meme lul.

It’s ok cuz I copied your :thonk: on purpose.

[Alchemist21]

Hey Alchemist can you talk about why you liked 50? I'm not sure how I feel about it.
Do you think it's towny, or do you think it's sound, or both?

I think it’s more Towny than sound but it’s a bit of both. I disagree on his point about the duplicated self-vote but agree with his point about scum paying attention to their partners’ posts. Even though I disagree with the first point though I do see where he’s coming from and think it’s a Towny train of thought to have.

[Alchemist21]

I think it’s more Towny than sound but it’s a bit of both. I disagree on his point about the duplicated self-vote but agree with his point about scum paying attention to their partners’ posts.

What about the point re. S_S+HitAlt?

That’s the point I’m agreeing with.

[Alchemist21]

I can get behind a Baezu wagon.

VOTE: Baezu

[Alchemist21]

I’m actually neither of these things, but isn’t it funny that your posting goes up exponentially once you’re actually targeted?!

Why did you say this but then unvote? This sounds like you’re still trying to call hitalt scummy but while also backing off.

[Alchemist21]

Are you conf!town yet? Or will it take like 5 more posts until you reach that conclusion?

He's been confscum since 133

All the gas we needed to get this wagon rolling.

I agree - that slot is looking scummier by the second...

VOTE: flavorleaf

I can’t tell if this vote is supposed to be serious or not.

[Alchemist21]

I've noted a number of red flags coming from hitalt more than other players.

What are these red flags?

Below is what I had noted at the time. For some reason, I thought I had more.

@Fuscosco - are you an alt, or new on site?

Might help me understand you better

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I would have probably looked over this easily, but then HitAlt tacks on at the end "It might help me understand you better", which struck a LAMIST chord with me. A normal town seeking to understand someone's previous identity wouldn't try steering the town's perception that it's a scum-hunting intent.

Btw, I have seen Something_Smart both as scum and as town before, and I have to admit that I can not read their tone correctly. Ever.

I haven't played this game very often, but from what I've observed so far, town-players tend to fall prey to a dunning-kruger effect. I'm suspecting that if a town player has a lot of information on someone, their confidence in their read would be really high. Having a low confidence read like above really doesn't make sense to me.
(maybe i'm reading too far into this one.)

I’m confused here. He self-voted in response to someone making what was really an NAI play?

If I understood him correctly, he means that S_S selfvoted as scum in a

This is a personal quirky read, so I apologize if this read seems really weak.

Alchemist was drilling RCE that question. HitAlt wooshes in offering a helpful answer of his own. In my experience, I keep confirming scum wooshing in to other people's Q+A's.

It's hard for me to empathize with this because as town, I see the importance of people sticking up for themselves above anything. Because answers to these questions provide a lot of information. When mafia wooshes in, it seems like they want more spotlight on them so they can clear their name. Maybe there's a slight buddying bent in there also.

I don’t see how you get the LAMIST thing from what they said. Low-confidence reads also exist. The only part of this post that could make sense to me is the last part about answering someone else’s question, but I don’t understand where you see scum intent there. How would that have been an attempt for hitalt to clear his name? Also who are they buddying in this case, me or RCE?

[Alchemist21]

Id like to think its only a matter of time before somebody nails my main down. Or maybe not, since I was common but not incredibly well-known. I have the day off, so Ill read up this afternoon. I should be sleeping.

Have we ever played together on your main?

[Alchemist21]

. . . I am pretty sure we did. a few times?

Twice

I’m only going try one guess here.

Was your main All Alone?

[Alchemist21]

I’m scumreading you but I’m not 100% sold on it. Something_Smart is right, this roll-over-and-die attitude doesn’t help you and it doesn’t help whatever team you’re on.

[Alchemist21]

Why do you think you made Siv leave? The replace-out seemed pretty random to me.

[Alchemist21]

Why do you think you made Siv leave? The replace-out seemed pretty random to me.

You didn't read it as tactical? That...surprises me actually.

You did? Right before he replaced out he made a significant post answering my questions so I didn’t grt the sense they were avoiding pressure.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist how are your reads looking right now?

About the same as they were before but added Townleans to Slaxx and Fuscosco.

[Alchemist21]

FL- why don’t you want to vote slaxx?

Just because I think he’s 100% scum doesn’t mean he’s scum.

I don’t think pushing him right now does anything but creates tunnel vision for me alongside giving him ample fire to react to me against and create a TvT cover that people dont want to go through, so it doesn’t do anyone any good.

I don’t get it. It looked like you wanted to pressure the slot when SIV was in it, so what’s different about Slaxx?

[Alchemist21]

So then why aren’t you trying to figure out slaxx’s reasoning?

Like you even had a vote on Slaxx then dropped it because???

[Alchemist21]

So then why aren’t you trying to figure out slaxx’s reasoning?

Like you even had a vote on Slaxx then dropped it because???

To let him know I mean business.

Slaxx is very much feeling the pressure, and if you happen to be his partner, you are directly hatcheting me right now to try and have any momentum I could gain chopped prematurely.

Do I think that’s happening? No, but I am taking a mental image of this interaction. I’ll be doing this throughout the game, and then I’ll put the images next to each other and see the out of context images and see who, in hindsight, is scum.

Also, by choosing to not push Slaxx, yet making sure my thoughts are known makes me a prime target for accusations, which allows me to sift through people who will come at me directly.

Why does my vote have to be on someone to pressure them? It’s not like I don’t say what’s on my mind.

You said you weren’t going to push him. If anything that takes away pressure instead of applying it. I’m not sure why you’re scumreading the slot anyway outside of the cologne thing. Where was that going?

[Alchemist21]

I’ve played with Something Smart before and he does have slow starts. I was scum our first game together and tried to push a lynch on him because he wasn’t doing anything. He ended up being the obvTown that was the deciding vote in LyLo.

[Alchemist21]

Oh wow, potentially a wagon on Fuscoscosco?
VOTE: RCE

Wtf

How does that sentence relate to the vote on RCE?

[Alchemist21]

Omg hi I'm so excited to finally play a game of Mafia.
My name is Vedith and I don't know any player here.

Dann is my best friend IRL so expect some biased modding.

Hi I’m Al.

[Alchemist21]

Baezu why do you think Vedith needs to comment on his own slot’s posts?

[Alchemist21]

Baezu why do you think Vedith needs to comment on his own slot’s posts?

I’d like him to comment on anything at all- this meh attitude is not helpful to town

Why did you ask about his own slot’s posts specifically though? It’s the least useful to comment on his own slot for generating reads here.

[Alchemist21]

At some point someone is going to have to explain the cologne thing to me.

How does scumBoon doing that lead to scumSlaxx?

[Alchemist21]

I think it’s the boy avatar, I sometimes do that with guys with women avatars.

This right here. I always imagine people looking how their avatars look and I’ve also been forgetting Baezu is a she.

[Alchemist21]

GAME RELATED

I think FL is scum

That’s what this is about.

How confident are you in this read?

[Alchemist21]

I can wagon there but was hoping you’d have a more confident read. I think wagoning him will help more for sorting the people on/off the wagon rather than Boon himself, but I don’t really know Boon well enough to know his tells.

Not really feeling the Baezu vote anymore though.

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

[Alchemist21]

He’s been hatcheting me all game. V

No, I haven’t.

[Alchemist21]

What’s going on with Fuscosco? Over the past several days his posts seem a little more withdrawn(?) compared to the rest of his posts.

[Alchemist21]

I’m not worried about Something Smart. Pretty sure I mentioned I’ve seen this from him before.

[Alchemist21]

Never gonna let you down.

[Alchemist21]

I had a friend who tried to get me to watch Rent one time (it was an actual movie version). I couldn’t really follow what was going on and couldn’t tell what was important about each character.

[Alchemist21]

The scum team is clearly Mustang, Volxen, and RCEnigma. Something can take the spot of RCE potentially, though

Damn FL, you caught all of us quite quickly! And here I thought your scum game was stronger than your town game. Well done.

Looks like we are finished Alch and RCE. Oh well.

Oh shit. Was my hatcheting FL earlier in the game all for naught? Oh well.

[Alchemist21]

Idk slaxx. He seems like he’s accepted his lynch and it comes off as Towny to me. Unless you think this is a ploy hoping that something happens in the next 3 days to shift attention away from him I don’t think he’s flipping red and everyone seems to be in agreement about not risking a PR claim by wagoning someone else. 3 more days couldn’t hurt if he’s getting flipped anyway.

[Alchemist21]

I disagree. Sometimes you can read a slot based on how wagons formed in them or around them. Easy wagon that stalled out and no counterwagon formed? Very likely Town with scum feeling comfortable in their position (or lurking).

Ausuka’s last vote on Baezu felt like it had a large OMGUS component to it since they kept pointing to 1159 as a good reason to sr them despite earlier posts, though it can’t be 100% of the reason since he didn’t seem to be bothered by Vedith’s post that 1159 is agreeing with.

[Alchemist21]

Is it really that hard to get wagons to form. Nobody’s really pushed for alternatives to what we already had. Sure, names have been named but nobody’s put the votes to them.

[Alchemist21]

What I’m saying is that nobody had actually tried to make them form. I’d agree with you if a bunch of 1-2 vote wagons happened and never took off.

[Alchemist21]

Volxen is town, Ausuka is town, FL is town and scum biased but he'll figure it out. Alchemist would have been a way better Lynch today.

...literally Alchemist or Vedith. I think Fusco is town for today and while I can go for an SS Lynch I don't think it outweighs what info we gain from other lynches.

Never getting my support to Lynch Ausuka today, scum can go back to the drawing board on it.

I really don’t like these posts. The lack of commitment makes me think RCE’a scum waiting for some Town approval to actually push this instead of taking the initiative. This is while he still has a vote on Volxen.

VOTE: RCEnigma

P-edit: I’m not against a fus wagon but this is a better choice to me.

[Alchemist21]

until ol'e yellow comes home

Too soon.

[Alchemist21]

Why was there a Death Note musical? The soundtrack for the anime was already great; there’s no way they could have made it better with lyrics.

I’d rather lynch than no lynch so I’ll move my vote. Sorry, Volxen.

VOTE: Volxen

[Alchemist21]

What?! There are people who grow on trees?!

But really though couldn’t they have found another story? I suppose next it’ll be Attack on Titan the Musical.

[Alchemist21]

Also I'm a town 1 shot investigative and I have a result on somebody which I'll out later today.

@Baezu I think we'll lynch scum today so don't worry.

Big if true.

[Alchemist21]

My two biggest town reads are gone and it’s frustrating...very frustrating

Especially Slaxx, fuck I’ll miss his input this game

Same. I feel like he was the only one who really got me.

[Alchemist21]

Auskua seemed to imply having a guilty result so I don’t see why you would assume a clear on me. But I highly doubt either of you has a role that can hard clear or guilty and don’t believe your claim at all.

[Alchemist21]

There’s so much bullshit in those 2 posts I could fertilize the fields with it.

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

[Alchemist21]

i mean, fyi ausuka claiming 1shot at daybreak and claiming a juicy find is going to get scumher killed and townher nked either way

The macho modifier implies a Doc exists. TownAusuka is safe for as long as the Doc lives.

[Alchemist21]

@Fus: Ausuka is 1-shot, which means after tonight she's just conf!town for all intents and purposes, so why would scum NK a ""VT"" when there are other PRs in play (like the Doc that Macho Implies, or FL, or... yeah)

Also- I don't know if I should be bringing this up, but is there still the chance for a 2 scum team this game?

Also I'm sorry- I can't resist.

soft hard guilty

ENGLISH

mf

DO YOU SPEAK IT??

Scum would want to kill confTown whenever they can.

Or we could Tradeour horror stories of failed town gambits. I have loads.

Here.

I put tradeour like traitor together, and I capitalized the T so it stood out.

I also stated “failed town gambits” in the same post, I have loads, implying I’ve been actively pulling a town gambit game.

Could be a legit traitor crumb that you’re trying to pass off as a Town gambit. Talking about failed gambits from the past doesn’t do anything to prove your alignment in this one.

[Alchemist21]

Important

I think Alchemist essentially scum claimed and implied Ausuka is actually town with the 1 shot.

I claimed a guilty on Ausuka but voted Alchemist to bait Alchemist. Him knowing Ausuka is town had him go after me, which gives credence towards TownAusuka, but allows for Ausuka to be mislynched.

I am not actually an investigative; that was a gambit. I’m day 3 IC.

No, you just spouted bullshit in an attempt to push me. You came in this Day phase thinking you could get an easy push on me (already a bad idea) and did it in the worst way possible.

[Alchemist21]

@Alch- Is FL wrong!town or scum?

@FL- for this gambit to "work"... you need the real-time interaction with Alch yes? (like RCE hasn't reported in)
Idk I can't keep up. When my Fus wagon fails I'll probably sheep you unless something else happens, but I'd like to be spoonfed in the time being.

Scum. If I thought he was just wrong Town I wouldn’t vote him.

[Alchemist21]

Also, Alchemist hasn’t been a heavy poster this game yet he just happens to be here RIGHT when I do that gambit?

Me not being a heavy poster is exactly why I think you saw me as an easy push.

[Alchemist21]

@Alch- Is FL wrong!town or scum?

@FL- for this gambit to "work"... you need the real-time interaction with Alch yes? (like RCE hasn't reported in)
Idk I can't keep up. When my Fus wagon fails I'll probably sheep you unless something else happens, but I'd like to be spoonfed in the time being.

Scum. If I thought he was just wrong Town I wouldn’t vote him.

I guess when I flip IC tomorrow this line of thinking won’t even matter, right?

Won’t matter after you flip red today.

I even called him out for chainsawing me, then called him out end of the day that it didn’t make sense for ScumAlchemist to be bussing Volxen, but he wasn’t bussing; Volxen was town.

Yeah that hatchet line was also bullshit and rightfully made fun of as such.

[Alchemist21]

How many games do we even have together? I can only recall two and didn’t think I had left a strong impression on anyone in at least the Town one and I was scum in the second. And I never said you said I wasn’t a strong player, that’s what I think how scum would see me after D1.

[Alchemist21]

How many games do we even have together? I can only recall two and didn’t think I had left a strong impression on anyone in at least the Town one and I was scum in the second. And I never said you said I wasn’t a strong player, that’s what I think how scum would see me after D1.

I’m Boonskiies.

I know and there’s 1 game I remember playing with you on that account.

[Alchemist21]

I can’t actually recall how many games we’ve played, but I know we have played games years back.

I think I did play some games you modded too. Maybe that’s where you’re coming from?

[Alchemist21]

Overkill 2 is the recent one. The other one I remember was years back. Hold on I’ll find it.

[Alchemist21]

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[Alchemist21]

Eh, idk. This is kinda Towny from FL. Regardless of bullshit in other posts I don’t think scum tries to talk about past meta with me without checking to make sure it’s right first.

Also wouldn’t be the first time someone with little to no experience with me still called me a strong player so I can believe he thinks that about me.

UNVOTE:

[Alchemist21]

Guys Vedith is never scum here. Trust me on this one.

[Alchemist21]

Well you’re not gonna lynch yourself so you don’t have to trust me. The others do.

[Alchemist21]

Guys Vedith is never scum here. Trust me on this one.

Please can you clarify this.

No, that’s why I’m telling you to trust me. Call it gut if you want but it is what it is.

Unrelated, I’m not opposed to a fus wagon and we do need a good wagon going so

VOTE: Fuscosco

[Alchemist21]

Not gonna confirm or deny that one. But for future reference if you think you see someone crumbing a pr then keep it to yourself instead of drawing scum’s attention to it.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t wanna go down the rabbit hole of NKA WIFOM right now.

[Alchemist21]

I think he had a point about nobody being able to justify not being on Fus though. Fus is kinda just skating by and if nothing else I think the slot does need pressure.

[Alchemist21]

You mean like how Palpatine seduced Anakin to the dark side?

[Alchemist21]

I didn’t realize he was that close to lynch either. I wanted reactions to the actual wagon, particularly from
Fus themself. This short day will probably hurt us pretty bad.

[Alchemist21]

Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

[Alchemist21]

Is this where FL’s D3 IC claim was coming from?

[Alchemist21]

No we’re not.

[Alchemist21]

Actually if you don't have a CC it's fine by me. I'm loyal doc with a save.

COUNTERCLAIM

I am a 2-shot Doc.

N1 I was on Vedith.
N2 I was on Ausuka.

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Alchemist21]

You really believe that Loyal modifier in a game with 2 vigs? Town has a lot of power and Loyal just rewards the Doc for guessing wrong and protecting good vig targets.

[Alchemist21]

No. Scum might have a Roleblocker that could stop you. It’s a bad idea to rely on you kill to resolve us.

[Alchemist21]

Tbh Vedith was my night 1 because he's generally a good N1. His interaction with SS made it possible he was vig and if he wasn't the real vig might shoot there.

Awful cheeky of you to claim my N1 target too.

[Alchemist21]

No. It would be 4 alive.

[Alchemist21]

I’m not sure but I’d lean more towards Vedith. His play was kinda what I would expect if he had a PR, even before and after all the vig stuff, so I’m thinking he’s the best bet for a scum Roleblocker.

[Alchemist21]

I was wrong about Vedith. Didn’t think he’d lowkey claim vig as scum.

[Alchemist21]

SS I....I can see you...

First of all, I thought this was a crumb/hint at RCE being a tracker/watcher.

I thought I had like 852 reasons to townread RCE, but now that ISO him, I feel like that was the only crumbing post from HIM.

RCE and hitalt might have actually been planning for RCE to claim Tracker/Watcher at some point, but then today RCE decided drawing out my Doc claim was more important.

[Alchemist21]

Wtf. Who votes anyone claiming a kill on scum?

You never vote that unless it’s RadiantCowbells and the start of D2.

[Alchemist21]

You know if Ausuka doesn’t have an actual 100% clear on Baezu, I will think that the team is Vork and Baezu because both have hinted at scum somehow knowing there would be a vig kill last Night. There’s no reason anyone should have expected that unless scum were informed 2 vigs existed.

[Alchemist21]

Wait I forgot about Rce lmao

[Alchemist21]

But this makes no sense though. Either we actually have 2 docs or some Townie assumed a second vig.

[Alchemist21]

You might as well vote me, Alchemist.

Maybe someone else misreads it, and votes, me then your buddy Vedith can hammer.

Lmao there’s no reason I’d vote you here.

[Alchemist21]

Wait, what do you mean? You didn’t know I was a Vigilante and thus had no reason to say this.

That’s what I’m saying. It’s weird.

I’m still not taking my vote off RCE though.

[Alchemist21]

I actually believe Vork might just be crazy paranoid because I don’t think any scum commits the suicide move of doubting Boon here.

[Alchemist21]

This means for that ploy, I’d have had to actively throw away a scummate, need an extra mislynch to win the game, and have to risk the other partner going down.

Idk FL might want to replace out of his other games so he can play on HARD MODE in this game for the bragging rights and future legends.

There’s a rule against that.

[Alchemist21]

If it’s Vorkuta/RCE I think Vorkuta just lost the game for em. Which is why i have doubt that he’s scum. Because like...does this just happen?

In all my years on this or any other site I don’t think I’ve seen anything like this.

Well there might have been one guy who Dayvigged his partner for trying to bus him but it was on a very casual site and that guy never gave a shit anyway.

[Alchemist21]

For you to believe I am scum, you HAVE to believe that happpened. There is zero other possibilities.

1/3- FL is telling the truth
1/3- scum!FL sat on the deadline timer and "first'd" with the vig claim
1/3- scum!FL kills scum!HitAlt

And seeing as FL EVER telling the truth is never an option...

2nd option- real vig stays quiet and kills him tonight.

3rd option- never happens.

[Alchemist21]

Like even if Boon is somehow scum doing this then there is no reason to worry because it resolves itself.

[Alchemist21]

Lol real vig does not stay quiet, Alchemist. This is why you’re probably the scum.

Setting Vedith up for a potential claim? I don’t think he makes that claim.

If I were a vig and someone claimed my role I wouldn’t counterclaim, I would counterkill.

[Alchemist21]

Like even if Boon is somehow scum doing this then there is no reason to worry because it resolves itself.

ScumVorkuta actually has to push me in this situation, tbh.

We lynch you, you flip town, I kill Vorkuta at night.

Getting rid of me during th Day gets rid of my night kill.

I think Vorkuta might have just went for it.

It’s the worst way possible. It’s just so bizarre if it’s scum.

[Alchemist21]

Definitely RCE. I don’t see how it can’t be Vedith.

[Alchemist21]

RCE, you need to look for the scum in Vedith/Vorkuta, if you’re town.

Same to you, Alchemist. You guys are direct counterclaiming each other, and I honestly have no clue which of you is telling the truth.

So you’re gonna need to give thoughts on which is the other’s partner.

The claims themselves should make it obvious I’m telling the truth. RCE didn’t even claim a N1 target at first and when he did he just copied mine.

[Alchemist21]

You think i’m Scum with Alchemist? I’ve been going at it with him all game

Scum theater- appropriate considering the theme of the game.

RCE? I lock scum’d him yesterday

Scum theater- appropriate considering the theme of the game.

Vedith? I guess I don’t have a defense for that one

I'm sold- Vedith is town.

I almost thought RCE posted this and was about to flip the fuck out.

[Alchemist21]

Uh huh.

[Alchemist21]

Fight me.... But like, tomorrow with my not so fake red check.

Ok and then there’s this. He never makes a statement that would look like an attempt to draw a NK as an actual Doc. This makes me even more certain he had planned on claiming an investigative role but had to switch it up today.

[Alchemist21]

Can someone TL;DR remind me why Ausuka and Baezu are conf!town, and that literally no one is considering theater in there?
I remember Ausuka is a 1-shot town investig and cleared Baezu. Anything else/followup?

I say this

because scum!Vork wants to open up the lynchpool

because I've been in a game where a scum!PTcop cleared a townie D1, cleared fellow scum D2, and it didn't matter what happened D3.

Well both Doc claims are claiming the save on Ausuka.

[Alchemist21]

What even is this game anymore?

[Alchemist21]

I looked at RCE’s ISO. Didn’t even give a read on Vedith D1 (but gave one on every other slot), then suddenly on D2 there’s a mild push there. Looks like he avoided talking about Vedith then decided for D2 he needed to distance with him.

[Alchemist21]

The team is Alchemist/Vedith, Vorkuta/RCEnigma, or Vedith/RCEnigma, I think order of likeliness is that order too.

There are no other options. If I’m lying, I die from the real Vig tonight

You had the perfect opportunity to say “if I’m lying I’m dying” and you missed it.

[Alchemist21]

I looked at RCE’s ISO. Didn’t even give a read on Vedith D1 (but gave one on every other slot), then suddenly on D2 there’s a mild push there. Looks like he avoided talking about Vedith then decided for D2 he needed to distance with him.

Vedith lived to day 2 which is scum indicative and his tone/confrontational attitude were scum indicative. I don't think he really pushed a scummy agenda, based on the VC's he didn't really have to. But his play was very different than the Vedith I'm used to and I generally read him town on demeanor.

Why did you Doc him N1 then?

Answer: You didn’t.

[Alchemist21]

According to what you’ve said about his attitude you had reason to scumread him on D1.

Thanks for proving you’re lying though.

P-edit: This is at rce obv.

Wtf is it with nobody wanting to vote between RCE and myself?

[Alchemist21]

Yeah yeah loyal.

Nobody should ever believe that a game where a vig was nerfed with the macho modifier also has a Doc buffed with the Loyal modifier. You may as well just have a vig and no Doc.

[Alchemist21]

And there’s still the fact you claimed a Doc target on someone you weren’t Townreading.

[Alchemist21]

What even is this game?

[Alchemist21]

We have caught scum in RCE and 2 people are pushing the only guy who’s killed scum.

[Alchemist21]

Imagine not lynching confscum RCE.

Imagine lynching confTown Flavor Leaf.

Is today just Opposite Day?

[Alchemist21]

We can lynch you and lynch confirmed scum.
Tomorrow you claim a roleblocker or something stupid and I don't trust the players in this game considering you wasn't lynched already.

I have a hard guilty on you though.

What kind of guilty? You won’t actually claim but you expect us to believe this guilty on a guy who killed scum.

[Alchemist21]

Imagine not lynching confscum RCE.

Imagine lynching confTown Flavor Leaf.

Is today just Opposite Day?

I’m like in shock right now, Alchemist.

Vedith conf scummed himself.

It’s just Vedith and RCE.

I’m shocked too. If you actually get lynched I might lock myself in a padded cell and bang my head against the wall.

[Alchemist21]

how on earth is flavour leaf confirmed town

HE KILLED SCUM!

[Alchemist21]

It is.

[Alchemist21]

Uh, which interaction exactly? There’s a few different ones in there.

[Alchemist21]

Guys Vedith is never scum here. Trust me on this one.

Please can you clarify this.

No, that’s why I’m telling you to trust me. Call it gut if you want but it is what it is.

Unrelated, I’m not opposed to a fus wagon and we do need a good wagon going so

VOTE: Fuscosco

I can’t trust you because vEdith is looking sooooo scummy

Did alch move his vote from vedith to fusc here?

No, I was on RCE before Fus.

[Alchemist21]

@Something_Smart in the dead thread - Holy damn.

More like everyone in the dead thread.

[Alchemist21]

Gamma Emerald went through an ultra paranoid phase with me.

Oh god in Starcraft 2 I fooled the hell out of Gamma as scum and they were 100% confident in their ability to read me. Is this what I have to look forward to next time I play with them? How bad is their ultra-paranoia?

[Alchemist21]

No. There doesn’t need to be more of an argument than that. In those games you linked was the game about to enter lylo and didn’t because of the gambit?

[Alchemist21]

Really? I saw scum got lynched that next Day from the mod lost but I didn’t read the game posts. How did they get caught?

[Alchemist21]

Frankly it kills me inside that there were multiple games you could link to where scum NK’d themselves. If that’s becoming the new meta I might leave.

[Alchemist21]

FL I think I see what made you think Hit was a Doc. Let me pull up the quotes because if I’m right on this then it should confirm RCE as his partner to everyone here.

[Alchemist21]

I thought I had like

852

reasons to townread RCE, but now that ISO him, I feel like that was the only crumbing post from HIM.

Post 852:

I'm quite certain RCE is not going to be NK'ed N1, so I'm eagerly waiting for what they will give us then.

To me this looks like hit crumbing a protect on RCE. It gives a bit of credibility to hit when he claims Doc to leave his crumb while being able to protect RCE from a vig shot.

[Alchemist21]

He made a bad kill on Town as scum, therefore he would kill his partner as scum? That makes no sense.

[Alchemist21]

If you really think I’m scum here I don’t know what to tell you.

[Alchemist21]

I’m already voting scum.

[Alchemist21]

If I’m wrong it’s RCEnigma.

That’s why Vedith’s been pushing the both docs town if FL was town thing.

You guys are the final 1v1, so if you’re town, Alch, maybe it’ll show.

But the way you’re playing makes perfect sense as the scum counterpart to Vedith hard pushing me.

You both realize how incredibly townie I actually am right now, and that’s the kicker to it all.

Vedith has to hard hard hard push me which he took advantage of the Vorkuta poor play.

You do the opposite for distancing and damage control.

Everyone but me is saying you could still be scum. Do you think I don’t be like “well I guess he could be” to blend in?

[Alchemist21]

...

Vedith what is it with you and pushing the people who have actually bagged scum?

I’m actually thinking you’re scum now because it works out perfectly for you if the 1v1 between me and RCE lasts until 3-p Lylo because that’s the only way you scrape by.

You were the only one pushing the idea that 2 Docs could exist here too so maybe you knew that was true because you knew RCE and I are both Town.

VOTE: Vedith

[Alchemist21]

What the fuck?

[Alchemist21]

If you’re actually Town and not just giving up and trolling then it has to be RCE.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: RCE

Ausuka get out of your tunnel. I don’t know what your problem is but I’m not gonna lose to RCE just because you choose to ignore the writing on the wall.

[Alchemist21]

be more specific. what is the writing on the wall?

Go read my posts.

[Alchemist21]

There's always 1 between you and FL.

And this, the hell is this? FL is never scum. You don’t have that escape option here.

[Alchemist21]

be more specific. what is the writing on the wall?

Go read my posts.

I did and I still don't understand what you're getting at.

Go look at how the claims played out then and you tell me how RCE isn’t just making shit up.

[Alchemist21]

Because scum are the ones who want to keep the “FL is scum” option alive, but fuck me, this game’s been on acid since that kill.

[Alchemist21]

I mean, Vedith claimed a hard guilty on me. I even thought he might’ve been town yesterday. Alchemist and I have been on every single wagon. RCE has been on none.

I have a few games with Vedith myself and have never seen him do that.

[Alchemist21]

Ausuka why do you think I would be content keeping my vote off FL but feel a need to vote Vedith? Do you think I would see the guy who killed my partner and claimed he could kill again become a viable lynch and be like “nope i’ma keep this person in the game”?

[Alchemist21]

Then why is it a part of your argument for scum me?

All I’ve seen from you today is you going full tunnel mode and trying to come up with 100 reasons why I’m scum. You’ve been scumreading me since D1 and it’s clear you’re confbiasing on me.

[Alchemist21]

For fuck’s sake.

[Alchemist21]

Good game everyone.

For the record everything I said in FL’s defense was genuine.

[Alchemist21]

I’m fucking with y’all.

I killed my own partner

*tears trickling down face*
Great game guys!
Thanks for making my first scum experience a memorable one!

I was so shook when you came after me.

You weren’t the only one lmao.

Seriously read the scum PT.

[Alchemist21]

It really shouldn’t be a thing that happens ever. There’s bussing to blend in, and then there’s deliberately setting your team back 2 cycles when you don’t have to.

Plus it didn’t even really work in one of those games and the other got abandoned so who knows what the ultimate result would have been.

[Alchemist21]

Thanks for modding Dann.

+1

[Alchemist21]

One of the ideas we talked about for Vork’s fakeclaim:

Either VT

Or

Vanilla Cop:
N1 Baezu (Vanilla)
N2: (insert any target here) No Result

I’ve already worked out in my head how if a roleblocker exists it had to be on you. Vanilla Cop is the riskier claim but if they think a roleblocker exists then it could work in our favor.

I do wonder how this would have worked out. Could Vork have won a 1v1 against Ausuka there?

[Alchemist21]

Would have been funny if Vork also claimed doc

Were you in that game where we had 5 Millers?

[Alchemist21]

He actually had a couple posts where he considered that claim. I told him don’t do it. Lmao

[Alchemist21]

Can you imagine if SS and FL had both claimed while alive.

[Alchemist21]

To be fair I was trying to play like I was a PR. Up until the Doc claim I had every intention of claiming my actual role (which is where that strong Townread on Vedith came from).