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This type of AtE always pokes at me, and seeing as I have nothing else to go on but arbitrary scum points:In post 111, Baezu wrote:as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse
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My two cents:
RCEnigma and SSmart are both doing what they did last game w/ me so townpoints.
Ausuka and Umlaut are trying to solveand are explaining the game to me- townpoints galore
cynumber is a filthy casual
I don't know how I feel about self-votes during RVS especially from players I've never seen before, so I have nothing to say about that.
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The line of thinking/questioning feels slightly similar, and I don't see any 180 personality shifts?In post 115, Something_Smart wrote:I wasn't even in that game at the beginning, what are you talking about?- Vorkuta
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With RCEnigma- my first game (ever on site ) with him was where he more or less lurked as scum and got caught early on.
He also faked a PR and self-voted
Town RCE in the previous game just nowhad no selfvotingfelt more solvey and much less vendetta/agenda driven.
This game's RCE reads more solvey and less agenda driven.
As for S_Smart, I feel bad about shooting him and losing the game regardless of how much his posts ping me.
His posts slightly ping me this game as well.- Vorkuta
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I'm conflicted.In post 128, Baezu wrote:if you read my wiki
On one hand this "appeal to my wiki" is ridiculous, especially since the last game mentioned was in 2014.
Has your playstyle not changed/advanced/evolved since then?
Plus anyone can write whatever they want; The flavor text below your name says "Mafia Scum"- it must be true then /s
On the other hand, my 'AtE as a scum tell' has only a 50/50 success rate in my previous games- Vorkuta
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Are there 4 scum in this game as well?In post 154, Flavor Leaf wrote:they low key hate me right now
I read your PT. That's all I'm going to say for now.
Yeah that's the one.In post 160, Flavor Leaf wrote:Did I IC that RCE game?- Vorkuta
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In post 184, cbynumber wrote: 113 and 120 are why my vote remains on vorkuta, but more on that later.In post 113, Vorkuta wrote:cynumber is a filthy casualI take that back if you've 112%'d hollow knight- Vorkuta
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I don't like appeals like this (and he's actually trying to sell it)In post 172, cbynumber wrote:What about S_Smarts posts ping you?In post 55, Something_Smart wrote:I'm very easy to read if you know what you're looking for.
I really don't like people trying to get points by downplaying their abilities- it comes off as "insurancey" for the future as in "oh tehee, sorry my reads were bad- it's just not my day today".In post 55, Something_Smart wrote:I have a hard time faking that as scum.In post 71, Something_Smart wrote:I am definitely not on top of my game todayplus past trauma from the previous game- Vorkuta
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That's partially why I'm not voting the guy, because I believe that other people (who've played with him and can verify) would protest if he were lying.
I don't think I'm going to read through the last ~20 games of a person to determine the validity of their self-meta argument.
Especially seeing as at the end of the day it'll STILL be up to my interpretation.- Vorkuta
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Boats did as well and I was pocketed hard by him.
S_Smart wouldve been on my kill list regardless of the claim (and that claim was very very last minute)
I'll try and stop bringing the game up though.
Anyway- there are people who's town playstyles ping me really hard in the absence of personal experience playing with them (like the defense Baizu is making) and that causes me to lose games/not be useful because my core!town block sucks. So now, I'd like to think I """learned""" S_Smart's town play, and all those points that ping me are turned onto town pointsalso because recency bias.- Vorkuta
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I mean also my point is that I kind of have to stop scum reading people for really poor/personal reasons, and if anything 'scum probably isn't this bad' should be my go-to reaction when people do/say stuff I don't like.
However this would undermine my Baezu read so as I said previously- I'm conflicted.- Vorkuta
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Ok- from now on, I will not reply to or provide commentary on anything that doesn't have "Vorkuta" in it. /s
I can understand the reasoning, but I disagree with it.
What's the harm in having 2 or more people answer the same question? Scum can probably generate filler content in better ways.
Plus its been done before this game: #139 as a completely stupid and surface level example.- Vorkuta
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I'd love to provide something useful, but I was recently kindly told that my reads don't mean jack shit and that I'd be unable to catch good scum so....In post 222, Baezu wrote:but again not too much meat in his posts
Also did I make siv leave? I'm sorry- I just disagreed with a point that was made- Vorkuta
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>Insert appeal to MondaysIn post 347, Fuscosco wrote:can you kindly stop being a shy guy and play?
I was around literally all day yesterday but noone was posting
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I disagree- it's one of my major personal gut scum pings.In post 348, Fuscosco wrote:This sort of post is an AtE disguised as a post with content.
As I mentioned with
I also/equally really dislike "Oh woe is me, everyone scum reads me" and pretty much automatically vote anyone who pulls this stuff.In post 188, Vorkuta wrote:it comes off as "insurancey" for the future as in "oh tehee, sorry my reads were bad- it's just not my day today".
It's a move that has very little counter play, probably verifiable but can be overabused, and is among one of the cheapest ways to shrug off suspicion.
The reason I haven't moved my vote off is due to a really bad 'appeal to wiki' follow up, more scummy pings in her posts, and defeatism (gambit).- Vorkuta
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??In post 355, Flavor Leaf wrote:So you were just lurking admittedly.
Are we really going into dates/time stamps?
No one was posting afterI made siv leavethe end of 3/31 so idk what there was to say, and I've been catching up on mobile every now and then.
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Regardless of how much I disagree'd with Siv's reasoning/points, I don't actually think they were scum per say. I saw "effort" and gamesolvey gears in motion.I'm sorry if this sounds condescending, so this coupled with slaxx's towney arrival = town points.
I'm also trying to process whether I accept ausuka's #289 "2 scum-game" conjecture or not.
My recent experience is making me want to reject this (for fairly obvious reasons) unless this is coming from an "informed" slot (in which case- why wait for ~15 pages instead of opening with it), but then I'm left with "what do I do with this player that I disagree with", which is the state I'm in with a third of the cast here.
FL is beginning to do FL stuff and already laying the groundwork for it being """experimental""" and I don't like it. Also I see what I perceive to be scum theater going on, but honestly Idejectedlythink I'm better off using a random number generator to get a read on FL and should stick to that no matter what.- Vorkuta
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I'm still in the process of deciding how best to proceed and what works/doesn't.In post 347, Fuscosco wrote:and play?
I still don't know you (plural) and your personalities/tells so idk what to go on.
I don't know whether I should put more focus on building my core!town block (which is bad and will get infiltrated) or developing my scum suspicions (which are also bad and will result in mislynches).
I'm also deciding how to handle posts/points I fundamentally disagree with- arguing and contesting everything probably won't be helpful in the long run so I just let things slide while they get points relative to what I perceive their intentions with said post are to be.
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*crickets chirping*In post 355, Flavor Leaf wrote:So you were just lurking admittedly.
Yep looks I'm just active at different times- Vorkuta
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If I knew, I would stop trembling in fear.In post 362, Fuscosco wrote:what stuff?
That's great and all, but it resulted in quite a few townreads for ausuka.In post 364, Fuscosco wrote:This is simple baseless conjecture about setup.
Like this is the "gateway post" through which all of her posts are going to be filtered from/reference to and will consist of 70% of my read on her, and I'm not entirely sure how to process it.
Also quick revision- the only way I would see a 2 scum setup working (unless someone can throw me a link to one) is with third party roles.- Vorkuta
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Please tell me you're addressing this question to a player with MORE than 3 normal games under his belt. (of which 2 apparently had BS setups that people did not agree with)In post 367, Fuscosco wrote:Do you think its reasonable- Vorkuta
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I threw out town points to RCE, S_S, and Slaxx.In post 374, Fuscosco wrote:Vork, can I get some kind of reads from you? Do you have any particular town/scum reads?
You can see me disliking Baezu's posts here and there
Other people I legit don't know how to approach.
Please lets lynch FL- Vorkuta
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Because he's a bully, and I should've shot him last game
On a serious note, I don't think I can "counterplay" FL regardless of what he does, so at the end of the day I can only hope and pray he's town.
It's like he's on the complete opposite end of the spectrum as a lurker is- a lurking playstyle has little counterplay because.... there are no posts to... do anything with. Whereas whatever FL says is going to be a gambit/reaction test/experiment/whathaveyou and this is valid for both scum!FL and town!FL.
Couple this with recency bias and a bit of humorIn post 138, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’ve already been conftown for 2 posts.In post 139, Something_Smart wrote:He's been confscum since 133- Vorkuta
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Wow it's almost as if you've read his posts
If I were to be extremely analytical/anti-FL agenda driven, I could make the argument that he hasn't produced any substance this entire game, with the exception of 'unpopular opinion baezu town".In post 381, Fuscosco wrote:Ignore the contentless crap
Everything else has been 'oh hi guys', 'hi slaxx', 'hey last game was fun', and 'cologne'
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PersonallyIn post 382, Fuscosco wrote:then who should I vote for?I've been proven wrong but anywayI'm completely bamboozled everytime scum gets caught on D1, and don't see how that's possible. Mynext level and game winningstrategy that is to prevent lurkers/lylo liabilities from getting throughas that is all my surface level play can pull off
-Prolly a timezone/schedule issue as I couldn't interact one-on-one with people like usual.In post 385, Fuscosco wrote:just 'being' here.
-I'm kind of like that in most games?appeal to self-meta
-I also have difficulties approaching this game as I've said before: what to do with people who ping me or who make points with which I disagree?
-If I'm honest/mean/critical, I could probably take the 2~3 lowest posting players and say that about them as well (like I did about FL).
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Also I think I made siv leave so....In post 385, Fuscosco wrote:just 'being' here- Vorkuta
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All I'm saying is that I saw Siv making a point, I disagreed with it quite harshly in #220, and then no more Siv.
Can't help feeling slightly like "straw that broke camel's back"
Also something something, no speculating about replacement reasons?- Vorkuta
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As for Fus's comment:
I don't exactly know your characters/personalities. I was actually thinking of making an early request to get people to describe their own town/scum playstyles in the hopes thatIn post 393, Fuscosco wrote:Are they 'maybe scum would do this' or 'this seems really odd and out of character'?people would actually do itI'd get some insight and other players could verify/police the claims.
I have my own personal thoughts about how I think town/scum should be played, and when I see a discrepancy that's a ping.
However hasn't worked very well inanymy past games,
So I'm thinking I try """learning""" and to find a way to not "lose/fuck up in the same way twice", but I'm still slightly confused about what concrete steps I take this game to get there. Also as for
With this player roster, I'm pretty sure any questions/pressure I can generate could very simply be swatted away.In post 393, Fuscosco wrote:Who pings you? You wont get answers if you dont ask.
case in point: FL what is cologne?
Also I really don't like tunneling players- I've tried it in a newbie game and I didn't get a feeling of pride and accomplishment, or any results.- Vorkuta
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THIS GUYIn post 405, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t remember losing
Do you kind of see why I tongue-in-cheek want him lynched?- Vorkuta
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It's not so much an issue but I don't like how there aren't any alternatives.In post 418, Something_Smart wrote:Do you have an issue with the Baezu wagon?
Like we're corralled into this vote, yet no one is coming up with an equally good counter wagon that I can get behind.
I don't want to use the word "smoothly" but it's going too differently from my previous game experiences if that makes sense.
Oh ok as I'm writing this, these are the sentences that sum up my problem the best:
This is the '''fastest''' I've seenin my great and vast experience on this sitesomeone be so reviled by, and I'm uncomfortable with
-the lack of counter wagon
-the "little" that is done to bail her out (I see the RCE and FL suggesting 'not scum timelines', but they feel half-hearted)
-my personal "Scum can't be this bad" rule.
It just feels like people have come to "eh- good enough", and are going to miss out on more potential stuff.
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Damn I've never actually noticed that.... but why?In post 452, Something_Smart wrote:to ensure that at least one scum has confirmed before the game startsinb4 site meta
And is there a precedent for a 10:2 normal game setup?
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In post 430, Slaxx wrote:Less impressed with empty and prodgy umlaut content.
I mean the guy said 'IRL stuff- sorry'In post 192, Umlaut wrote:Kind of busy today and likely tomorrow, consider this a pre-emptive prodge.- Vorkuta
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Also I just remembered how to readFor real? STILL? I think we're kind of past the point where it was RVS and funny.
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If we're doing this and bullying the modIn post 460, Something_Smart wrote:Oh I too remembered how to read
@mod- Alchemist21 doesn't have a space in their name
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Can we get a tally of how many people have accepted ausuka's '2 scum premise'?
Like if I'm going to try and dig through people by what their reads on baezu are, I'dnaivelythink that
-in a 2 scum setup, I'd think that remaining scum can't afford a scum!Baezu lynch= not on the wagon
-in a 3 scum setup, scum has some leeway so my guess is 1 scum on the wagon, 1 off.
Then baezu threw out
Is that 2/2 or 2/3?In post 426, Baezu wrote:Yes there are definitely two scum on my wagon
So I would like to know the setup spec (or rather what we think the setup is) before even trying to speculate.- Vorkuta
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Is it bad that I can see an RCE/FL scum pair? (+1 if setup?)
As i've said before
and RCE is piggybacking onIn post 383, Vorkuta wrote:If I were to be extremely analytical/anti-FL agenda driven, I could make the argument that he hasn't produced any substance this entire game, with the exception of 'unpopular opinion baezu town".
Everything else has been 'oh hi guys', 'hi slaxx', 'hey last game was fun', and 'cologne'mythe paranoia by claiming to eventually be the divine answer to the 'how to deal with FL' problem, by divulging FL-related experience expertise (that ironically enough, FL might've handed to him in the first place)- Vorkuta
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I buy "too bad to be scum" actually.In post 475, Baezu wrote:Because honestly the scum team would be doing a terrible job of it were me and one of you
So I think what I'm getting at with my previous posts and this is:
REGARDLESS of how BS/how much I disagree/how scummy Baezu pings me, I'm worried that this is lynchbait and actually good!scumTMis doing work.
I'm also deciding whether there's one or both in FL & RCE, but that's what I want to focus on AFTER the slots with little content make their catchup posts.- Vorkuta
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I'm trying to spot scum theater as it's what I fell victim to in my recent games.In post 488, Something_Smart wrote:It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives- Vorkuta
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-we have a notoriously good player that will screw up our game if he's scumIn post 497, RCEnigma wrote:Dunno how j feel about this
-scum!RCE: Fear not mere mortals! Just let me get to D3, then I will solve this problem!
-rest of town: believes in this
-scum!RCE: survives to D3
-scum!RCE: says literally anything
????
-Profit
I can see this playing out.
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But you see my reasoning and why I think it's a winning scum play to earn town points by being able to deal with a really confusing slot yes?
If anything, this slight scumread is based on myRCEnigma wrote:I do like the deity comparisons thoughfear and despairidea that FL physically can't be read, and anyone who claims to be able to do so is a liar.- Vorkuta
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I accept this.In post 514, Flavor Leaf wrote:Tchill says that if I haven’t caught scum by the end of the game, lynch me because I’m scum.
So coupling this with my """defeatism""" of "if FL is scum then we lost and there's nothing I can do", I TR FL.sense of dejavu intensifies
FL's town read of baezu, plus the "2scum2Bscum" argument makes me drop the SR on baezu.
UNVOTE: Baezu
Now looking at the Baezu wagon: (did anyone unvote off btw?)
Can someone please answerIn post 450, Dannflor wrote:[5] Baezu : Alchemist21 107 Vorkuta 112, HitAlt 122, Ausuka 168, Slaxx 424In post 477, Vorkuta wrote:Can we get a tally of how many people have accepted ausuka's '2 scum premise'?- Vorkuta
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That phrase doesn't sound like it should be possible in my head.In post 524, Flavor Leaf wrote:mechanically made myself town- Vorkuta
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prein meIn post 526, Flavor Leaf wrote:Haha. You should join my next BooneyToonz game.
Also I'm scared to ask Mr. "I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum. -Morality"performer's sig btw
But how many scum are in this game?- Vorkuta
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In post 533, Flavor Leaf wrote:and then they killed you. That’s goodphrasing
As I also said that game
"stop pocketing me REEEEEE"- Vorkuta
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I did ISO dive people and I can dig up stuff that I disagree with, but I lack the confidence to turn that into a solid scum read on someone, much less enough to start a wagon on somebody. But on of the the main issues is:In post 586, Ausuka wrote:Why haven't you begun one then? If you don't have reads, couldn't you try to ISO-dive people and see if you can get reads out of that? At least can you tell me why 420 is wrong? Same sentiment to SS.
Like- I would be looking for COMPLETELY different things depending on whether there are 2 or 3 scum.In post 589, Ausuka wrote:I feel like this is the wrong way around? There's no way to be certain on d1 whether we have 2 or 3 scum; we can speculate but we can't be confident enough that we base our game off of it. If you get a solid scumread it doesn't matter if there are 2 or 3 scum, they're likely scum anyway, right?
I know I was kind of the one who brought it up so it might be my fault but I feel like this 2/3 scum thing is becoming a big distraction.- Vorkuta
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Ok- I'd like to propose a Fus wagon.
***insert disclaimer that my reads are bad and I'm not confident, but here's what I have so far.
The ISO dive shows a player that is full of filler content, anti-town in letting people get their core!town blocks up and running, and fence-sitting by trying to get others to do their dirty work for him.
-Early self vote and then discussion/dismissing/disregarding said self vote is suspicious: "Oh I self voted to spark discussion.... nvm this self vote talk is filler"
-Engages the inactive newbie (yours truly) and throws questions that serve no purpose my way that A: earn him townpoints "oh look, he's engaging people to talk" and B: earn him posts so he doesn't look like a lurker
-Claims to be a 'shitposter' which I view as insurance ahead of time for "oh my posts are bad? lawl I was just jking around"
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