Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: fuscosco

b-baka

[Fuscosco]

Wellllllll

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:thonk:

ha!

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Why'd you put a vote down before you had an answer to your question?

hey if you guys could sign your posts thatd be pretty sweet

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@Fuscosco - are you an alt, or new on site? Might help me understand you better.

i am alt of a . . . 2015 main? something like that.

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I selfvoted because i could, because it sparks discussion, and because, aside from conspicuously not voting at all, its my mo

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I feel like this selfvote talk is filler.


rather, this talk about S_Ss meta of voting is. please stop talking about creature as well, unless he is an alt of a person here

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I selfvoted because i could, because it sparks discussion, and because, aside from conspicuously not voting at all, its my mo

So this not true anymore?

the meta behind the vote shouldn't mean too much. In not going to TR people over NAI theory and meta talk

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easily the most superficial of votes.

VOTE: umlat
always happy to vote an opportunistic voter.

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Its eay too early to scum read siv?

that baezu vote, though, had just enough meat to be real. what happened?

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I feel like this selfvote talk is filler.


rather, this talk about S_Ss meta of voting is. please stop talking about creature as well, unless he is an alt of a person here

What would you rather we talk about?

Id rather talk about the reactions to the vote, not the back and forth about your/famous meta. Cuz frankly, Any eg read is weak, and its the escalation of force that builds a read. imo.

Like all this eg stuff is kinda nai until we form real wagons.


and Ive got enigma's voting here to discuss.

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really I just. dont want to see 5 pages of talk about your first 2 page meta.

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@rc
.when you made it, siv had a naked vote that cited your name's similarity to Cowbells

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but what I said was that I could see how one could scumread baezu thus far, having at least had content

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baezu wagon is totes okay w/me. but rn I'm gonna establish bad blood w/umi

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@vork

i mean. i know from meta that baezu's statement is true enough - he always does look kinda scuzzy as town. idk about as scum though

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Now I’m wondering who you’re an alt of...

honestly, I dont think youd recognize the name outside of site familiarity, I was (and am) kind of a shitposter, but . . .

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12 hours w/o a post, and the ice breaker is . . . -you smell nice-

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I dont have an opinion here. I glanced at the game in between working. I can always reread the whole 8 pages.

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VOTE: Slaxx

Hey, bud. Excited to play with you.

Also, my cologne gambit is gonna have to wait now.

ScumSIV got scared and couldn’t handle it.

Boons, man, you've changed? Or is it the new Alt?

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Id like to think its only a matter of time before somebody nails my main down. Or maybe not, since I was common but not incredibly well-known. I have the day off, so Ill read up this afternoon. I should be sleeping.

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. . . I am pretty sure we did. a few times?

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Twice

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Actually wow, what a softball Q.

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Im here. Kinda surprised baezu is still the focal point.

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baezu, do you has reeds?

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VOTE: fuscosco

b-baka

I've seen this from scum quite a bit.
Voting themselves rather than trying to pick a random target.

VOTE: Fuscosco

Why did you vote me instead of SS?

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Spoiler: posts

I assume scum pay some attention to what their buddies are doing

This is a rather baseless claim. I dont see the need for it so early. But its nai on its own.

UNVOTE: umlaut
Liking his posts

I consider this light red in nature. Why not revote elsewhere, why do this after a single post from umlat, why do it after alchemist said it, etc.

BooneyToonz

Boonz

how many of these are there now? Like 15?

I feel like this selfvote talk is filler.
rather, this talk about S_Ss meta of voting is. please stop talking about creature as well, unless he is an alt of a person here

Still feel this way, btdubs

Anyway,UNVOTE: hitalt

he keeps unvoting his votes.

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Eh....guess there is a reason to give the same answer again?

Yea ignore me. Im a dumdum

[Fuscosco]

Ummmm as of right now Im not comfortable lynching bae

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Spoiler: post.1

Ya humor doesn’t translate well...
UNVOTE: flavor leaf

FFS bro.

Getting a hyperactive replacement - what a Boon.

Still paging Ausuka.
Hope they get more active as the game progresses.
If not, we should lynch that.

hmmmm

Just a note about ausuka and hitalt for later . . . Just making a note that I would have made in a spreadsheet if I were doing that.

I'm pretty suspicious of your game so far. Where exactly do you expect all these questions to lead?

hunh? They make perfect sense, at least in hindsight. The problem with calling this out is, besides being one example in a sample without ample reference points, is that I dont know if its a personality thing, a reaction-gathering thing, or a weakness probe.

LAMIST

please remind me what lamist means again.

I guess my vote is best on VOTE: HitAlt for now.

siv is town, afaic.

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Ummmm as of right now Im not comfortable lynching bae

Uh. Why. Your spoilered post would indicate you are.

uh. no. I said unvoting in eg without revoting is kind of odd. And besides, theres so much more context. Im not happy scumreading baezu for his behavior, at that point at least, for my reasons.

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And in fact I have other scumreads Id like to weight on.

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Spoiler: post.2

Nachomomma’s

Nacho was my first IC, and he was my first sucmbuddy. He and TSO [my second IC and second scumbud] are my biggest early influences. Rip the one and wish-the-misguided-commi-the-best the other.

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Ausuka>Siv>SS>RCE>alchemist>flavorleaf>cbynumber>vorkuta>hitalt>fuscosco>umlaut

hmmmmm.


Ausuka I dig,
SS sure,
RCE maybe,
why TR vork,
Why TR hit

I can only get behind some of your list. And I dont see why I am TRed, even if I do play somewhat like the greats.

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I'd love to provide something useful, but

pls dont.

Asuka scum

Im kind of feeling that too, and waiting to see where they develop before I push. *shrugs*

ausuka plays Townie she’s mafia

not at all. I wouldnt dream of voting it, but since its here in my face, I do thing that there is some kind of gimmick from ausuka. I consider it a misplay to mention it so soon, and I dont think a hunch is a good D1 lynch.

231 is so damn ugly because it also downplays the content generated so far. It’s just so not town in every way.

agree to disagree here. I feel 231 from baezu is what I am thinking. Nothing too much NAI yet.

I’m not getting lynched this game bud.

Was your main All Alone?

. . . No.

But I think he was a bulldog libertarian type? Lemme check.

1 between Baezu/Siv maybe 2.

0 between them maybe 1. imo

This vote was really for lack of anywhere better to put it and it looks like there are better places now.

considering Ive done bullall this game, this is interesting. But I refer you back to my posting about not revoting. Why no new vote?

Actually wow, what a softball Q.

Which one?

Have you done anything that's town indicative for you?

This one. I gotta admit, his answer kind of knocks this back.

and I got bored halfway through page 12.

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hmmmmmm

1. HitAlt
2. Flavor Leaf Saudade
3. Baezu
4. Fuscosco
5. SIV36
6. Vorkuta
7. Alchemist21
8. Ausuka
9. cbynumber
10. RCEnigma
11. Umlaut
12. Something_Smart

siv
cybnumber
baezu, alchemist
rce, umlaut, S_S
vork, ausuka, flavor
hitalt,

[Fuscosco]

None of those are super strong tho.

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*shrugs*

aight, I mean I already sorted you so anything you say can now be irrelevant.

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I TR him. Do you have . . . any points to bring up, or just some mouth?

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Okay. I mean idk who Im voting and I only just caught up, so thats fair.

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Im voting umi

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VOTE: Vork Vork, can you kindly stop being a shy guy and play?

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as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse

This type of AtE always pokes at me, and seeing as I have nothing else to go on but arbitrary scum points:
VOTE: Baezu

This sort of post is an AtE disguised as a post with content.

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"This post bugs me, so I will vote it."

Thats an AtE. Its actually a literal RVS. Thats been kept well after RVS. The slot is skulking around, and has kept its vote on baezu. Forget the baezu wagon. Pretend there are no other votes on baezu. The level of volks play should suggest more thought and activity than this.

I could vote other players, but volk's play is weak. I want him to play.

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FL is beginning to do FL stuff and already laying the groundwork for it being """experimental""" and I don't like it.

what stuff?

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Like I know boons, I know he had his moments, but this kind of seems like RC-tier foolery from the way ya'll post about it.

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I'm also trying to process whether I accept ausuka's #289 "2 scum-game" conjecture or not.
My recent experience is making me want to reject this (for fairly obvious reasons) unless this is coming from an "informed" slot (in which case- why wait for ~15 pages instead of opening with it), but then I'm left with "what do I do with this player that I disagree with", which is the state I'm in with a third of the cast here.

This?

Spoiler: ausuka's 289

Assuming you're talking about my reads -

Baezu is the primary scumread right now and I want her lynched. The partner(s) is likely in {cby, slaxx, vorkuta} (and I think it's 2 scum because this was a pre-designed setup by schadd who is a modern user and generally speaking is going to mod 13 player setups. if this setup has one less mislynch i think it's because he wanted a balanced two-scum game. additionally 11/12 confirmations seems a bit excessive compared to site standard and I think it's likely to come from the desire to have at least one scum in the game from the start. this is all just speculation though.)

This is simple baseless conjecture about setup. I missed this. I should have chided it. Unless it does turn out to be multiballs. in which case I say "Purple team, you found your Red".

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I have no issue with refusing to townread someone with only a few posts, but the bigger problem was that you seemed to be refusing to scumread anyone with a lot of posts.

I see you've already made up your mind about me, and so everything I say you're using to support your theory, which is fine, but I would encourage you to take those lenses off and actually read the content of my bigger posts

This is defensive and it also isnt addressing the recent posts about you.
-they come in and do so in the 308 quotewall-

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9:2:2 works, but I just checked and this is a 12player. Do you think its reasonable to assume 8:2:2 or that its town to not know the gamestate?

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but it resulted in quite a few townreads for ausuka.

It shouldnt be.

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So looking at the last few pages I didnt read.

I think baezu is getting clammy, which is bad when they should be pushing their voters.
I think Ausuka made some good points in 285.

Overall I see some good interactions forming, even if we cant agree on a unified readslist/wagon.

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Ausuka's style of posting should be the focal point of a read on them, not some setup spec. Is the fact that they are speccing town? Im asking whoever.

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Actually, I want to 180 here. I really like the iso on ausuka rn.

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Do you think its reasonable

Please tell me you're addressing this question to a player with MORE than 3 normal games under his belt. (of which 2 apparently had BS setups that people did not agree with)

Vork, can I get some kind of reads from you? Do you have any particular town/scum reads?

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Please lets lynch FL

why? I feel like youre being coy here.

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VOTE: unvote

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So you were just lurking admittedly.

Do you have content to present?

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I really hope this was just him being scum thinking “Yeah, let’s get that new guy!!!” To his scummates, but then he does it, and can sense the awkward realization that it just had an awkward spotlight on him for a second.
Comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqLUbmpuVw4

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Ignore the contentless crap and go gut him when he doesnt engage.

You cant in good faith lynch a contentless slot on D1, but when it doesnt want to play in D3 you should.

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But, if we dont lynch baezu and we cant lynch FL yet, then who should I vote for?

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cybnumber, alchemist, rce, slaxx, ausuka
umlaut, S_S, hitalt, vork
flavor, baezu

I need more from cyb, umlaut, flavor, alchemist.
Ive decided that while I dont "like" hitalt, they are putting forth content and can thus be sorted, in time.
Baez, you have to stop clamming up. Its a bad look.

I liked slaxx's entrance. I liked rce's earlier posts. I liked what I did get from cyb, and I do kind of townlean on alchem, though that may be premature.

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Wow it's almost as if you've read his posts

I know site meta, and while I wont say I helped define it, it suits me fine.

If I were to be extremely analytical/anti-FL agenda driven,

yea but who else. I feel like you arent town or scum hunting, just 'being' here.

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just 'being' here

Also I think I made siv leave so....

Stop this please. You did not. You'd know if they did, trust me. Drama on MS is not so quaint.

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what to do with people who ping me or who make points with which I disagree?

You can disagree. thats life in a social game.

I like to make a mental note of it, and then look to see if that player consistently makes those kind of points. A lack of consistency in their posts and thinking usually means they are hiding something or scum.


As far as 'pinging' players. I mean, it depends. Are they 'maybe scum would do this' or 'this seems really odd and out of character'? The former is normal paranoia in a game where you have to scrutinize people. Some will do things that are odd. The later needs to be asked about, or you need to find other ways to ascertain what they mean.

Who pings you? You wont get answers if you dont ask. Or maybe you want somebody else to ask for you? Thats a possible strategy, but not a good way to be townread or play day1.

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Remember when I asked who we should lynch and who pings you? Who vork?

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Volx

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He certainly has a demeanor about him.

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frankfurt me sideways, a wild vedith appears

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volx, tf bro? come play

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baezu is town because of why they interact, not how or where.


Reading player intentions will go farther than meta or 'dumb' reading interactions

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does town you have a big ego too?

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You know what? We have 12 players this game, the setup probably has something cool going on here. I'm intrigued with this setup.

Let's no lynch. I've been semi wanting to figure out alternative early game strategies. This seems like a perfect game to try it. All of our PR's can basically get a free night because we won't have any other claims outed.

VOTE: No Lynch


I'm serious.

I'm actually just a humble snake in a creek

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he's not an ic

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going along w/it isn't helping us

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hunh.

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Hunh.

it wasn't a counter I'm not doing any serious reading

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Im trying to generate a world on my comp, not read mafia

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Slaxx can be town too btw.

this is true.

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lol

how many games

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biased modding

@mod: 'Never gonna give you up' is not a Musical

Then you arent singing it right.

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@Fus- Let's more game related posts ok?


@Fus- Let's more game related posts ok?

[Fuscosco]

Nothing says "shag me, I'm horny", quite like a song about co-users prepping for a fix.

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Though, the idea of junkies and love does have some deeper symbolic meanings . . .

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Vork, why are you pushing me? couldnt I have just sank you and moved on as scum?

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I asked you to explain what you meant by this, please. Fusc has moved down towards null at this point for me

its the secret to being a good maf player.

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i aint read. why volx

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Ill bite, my duders

VOTE: fusco

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That's why I was telling you to tone down the hatcheting in the scum PT.

gut read this post as scum, tbh. not voting until i read tomorrow, tho

[Fuscosco]

Ausuka or RCEnigma

y them

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he's not a fukkin ic.

like, i thought vedi was just going along w/it, but this, this is getting ooh

[Fuscosco]

do i really have to blast his claim even though i don't currently plan to vote him?

fine. start with his slots original owner

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I want people to read him for him, 'spec if he's half the terror people make him out to be.

You put people on a pedestal, make believe they cant be read or beaten, and you end up with nacho, tam, etc.

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pissed me off to no end that people gave the greater players passes based on rep.

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anywho, Ill be reading this afternoon. whenever i get to it.

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lol.

Thats not the point.

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anywho, Ill be reading this afternoon. whenever i get to it.

[Fuscosco]

Nah, you can wait. why the rush?

[Fuscosco]

Got somewhere to be overnight?

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Use code words to communicate. Idk, what if you picked some theme or question to ask as a signal . . ? Like say 'cologne' as a code?

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we areyno lynching

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in out of work in a few hours, and i plaan to read, but we dont nolynch. we never nolynch

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we dont end on evens if we nl

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okay, ill do some reading here.

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Relevant

please stop this.

i think that flipflopping is a very different thing from fencesitting or being uncommitted. i also think that flipflopping requires going back and forth a lot of times on a lot of reads in a way that indicates that you're switching your read towards what is more beneficial for a scum agenda. i think that fencesitting is refusing to take stances on players. being uncommitted is not a term i've really seen having much use in mafia, so I'm not sure what it means exactly, but not being committed to one vote isn't a scummy trait to me. i don't think RCE's posts would fit any of those criteria.

pedit: sure!

Sooo, why is this here?

I had a friend who tried to get me to watch Rent one time (it was an actual movie version). I couldn’t really follow what was going on and couldn’t tell what was important about each character.

theyre all poor/junkies/gay/oldassin/takeyourpick but manage to come together to improve each others lives despite having affliction or drama or money issues. Its about how imperfections and difference can be overcome and we dont throw out the baby with the bathwater.

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so bitter

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our fus wagon

Im voting it and trying my best to get him lynched. Our wagon is just not happening.

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I consider boons and vedi to be players I was pretty much like on my main. Old boons though. idk what neo-boons is.

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He starts out by calling me underwhelming. I then point out some of his predecessors posts which pinged me. He says I am "dancing around" a scumread on him, and then when I actually try to engage him he doubles down on scumreading me and votes me for me. He has made next to no effort at engaging with me, but he is fully content with me being lynched today. It feels like he was going to "arrive" at a scumread on me regardless of how I reacted towards his slot. I don't get the sense that he is someone who is really trying to determine my alignment, because I think he already knows my alignment.

Your scumhunting off your wagon?

Yeah, but is it quality town posting, or quality scum projecting a solid case onto a townie for reasons to “mislynch” them rather than scum read them.

The case itself had more green to it, i feel. I think volx has earned the right to be copped or vigged, imo.

couldnt I have just sank you and moved on as scum?

-should've tried it
-even an almighty and powerful scum!fus might need a vork ally no?
-that's not a defense of the points MADE against you, it's an appeal to..... self-meta?

I'm not going to speculate on what scum!everysingleplayer might do or not do.
There have been way too many cases where town players don't play to what I perceive to be their optimal win conditions, and scum plays that just baffle me, so "scum!fus wouldn't do that" isn't really an argument that holds up.

le lul.

this seems actually red.

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Im getting bored.

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1. HitAlt
2. Flavor Leaf Saudade
3. Baezu
4. Fuscosco
5. Slaxx SIV36
6. Vorkuta
7. Alchemist21
8. Ausuka
9. volxen cbynumber
10. RCEnigma
11. Vedith Umlaut
12. Something_Smart

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

fus
slaxx vork
vedi rce
flavorflav baezu ausuka alchi
ss


I can iso volx but im okay hammering so i can do a night thing.

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idk man.


kind of still sold on hitalt scum.

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Because money doesnt grow on trees but starving screenwriters and affluent producers do?

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Im tiwn
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hit/alch/3

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wanna call flavah scum. but meh we'll see

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VOTE: fus

ahhh, man. times like these really make me wish i was on my main so I could point out all the fucks Ive grown

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vork, what's your case on me again, besides I 'lurked away'

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who are your next TRs?

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lets hear him out

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or, lets see who ausuka claims a check on

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i mean, fyi ausuka claiming 1shot at daybreak and claiming a juicy find is going to get scumher killed and townher nked either way

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I think Alchemist essentially scum claimed and implied Ausuka is actually town with the 1 shot.

yea you implied this

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were knee deep in flavor country now

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idk about neighor hints and traitor janks
idk about cop innos or scum claims
i dont think its good of ausuka to have claimed a find thus far, inno or not

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well played guys.

boons, theres a reason people pl that kind of stuff. Anyone less right and we'd have lost/

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My Private thread I asked for after Fusc got lynched, and if you look at it, it’s really all like 4 hours of me just doing work.

I nailed HitAlt because of it as the protective.

Yea yea, youre just lucky you were so good. You surprised me with that hammer on me, and even more by nailing the team down.