Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Dannflor]

VC 1.04

I Know It's Today - Shrek the Musical

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[4] Baezu

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Alchemist 21 107 Vorkuta 112, HitAlt 122, Ausuka 168

[1] HitAlt

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SIV36 194

[1] SIV36

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RCEnigma 96

[1] Something_Smart

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Something_Smart 7

[1] Fuscosco

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Umlaut 92

[1] Vorkuta

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cbynumber 14

[1] Umlaut

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Fuscosco 94

[2] Not Voting

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Flavor Leaf, Baezu 156

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-04-09 19:50:20)

Mod Notes

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[SIV36]

SIV, are you the type of guy who wears cologne?

Only on occasions where I'm with people I might need to impress. (?)

We haven't played mafia together. I don't think you know me.

[Flavor Leaf]

SIV, are you the type of guy who wears cologne?

Only on occasions where I'm with people I might need to impress. (?)

We haven't played mafia together. I don't think you know me.

I might have been on Boonskiies or Morality. Or I might’ve just seen a game of yours. The name looks familiar, but I wouldn’t say i know you either.


What kind of cologne would you wear in that scenario? Would you say you’re at least casually knowledgeable about different fragrances?

[Alchemist21]

I've noted a number of red flags coming from hitalt more than other players.

What are these red flags?

Below is what I had noted at the time. For some reason, I thought I had more.

@Fuscosco - are you an alt, or new on site?

Might help me understand you better

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I would have probably looked over this easily, but then HitAlt tacks on at the end "It might help me understand you better", which struck a LAMIST chord with me. A normal town seeking to understand someone's previous identity wouldn't try steering the town's perception that it's a scum-hunting intent.

Btw, I have seen Something_Smart both as scum and as town before, and I have to admit that I can not read their tone correctly. Ever.

I haven't played this game very often, but from what I've observed so far, town-players tend to fall prey to a dunning-kruger effect. I'm suspecting that if a town player has a lot of information on someone, their confidence in their read would be really high. Having a low confidence read like above really doesn't make sense to me.
(maybe i'm reading too far into this one.)

I’m confused here. He self-voted in response to someone making what was really an NAI play?

If I understood him correctly, he means that S_S selfvoted as scum in a

This is a personal quirky read, so I apologize if this read seems really weak.

Alchemist was drilling RCE that question. HitAlt wooshes in offering a helpful answer of his own. In my experience, I keep confirming scum wooshing in to other people's Q+A's.

It's hard for me to empathize with this because as town, I see the importance of people sticking up for themselves above anything. Because answers to these questions provide a lot of information. When mafia wooshes in, it seems like they want more spotlight on them so they can clear their name. Maybe there's a slight buddying bent in there also.

I don’t see how you get the LAMIST thing from what they said. Low-confidence reads also exist. The only part of this post that could make sense to me is the last part about answering someone else’s question, but I don’t understand where you see scum intent there. How would that have been an attempt for hitalt to clear his name? Also who are they buddying in this case, me or RCE?

[cbynumber]

What about S_Smarts posts ping you?

I don't like appeals like this (and he's actually trying to sell it)

I'm very easy to read if you know what you're looking for.

I have a hard time faking that as scum.

I really don't like people trying to get points by downplaying their abilities- it comes off as "insurancey" for the future as in "oh tehee, sorry my reads were bad- it's just not my day today".

I am definitely not on top of my game today

plus past trauma from the previous game

Got it. So ultimately, this equates to a S_smart scumlean for you, yeah?

[Vorkuta]

By itself- it would.

However I just came from a game with him where I vig-shot him for basically the same thing (and more) which lost us the game, so that's kind of fresh.....

[Flavor Leaf]

By itself- it would.

However I just came from a game with him where I vig-shot him for basically the same thing (and more) which lost us the game, so that's kind of fresh.....

To be fair, he claimed traitor.

Still waiting on my cologne comments once SIV comes back

[Vorkuta]

Boats did as well and I was pocketed hard by him.
S_Smart wouldve been on my kill list regardless of the claim (and that claim was very very last minute)
I'll try and stop bringing the game up though.

Anyway- there are people who's town playstyles ping me really hard in the absence of personal experience playing with them (like the defense Baizu is making) and that causes me to lose games/not be useful because my core!town block sucks. So now, I'd like to think I """learned""" S_Smart's town play, and all those points that ping me are turned onto town points

also because recency bias

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[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn’t know the difference.

I’ve only been mod or scum when SS plays before here.

I have to actually read him, and I’m not even going to attempt until like tomorrow

[Vorkuta]

I mean also my point is that I kind of have to stop scum reading people for really poor/personal reasons, and if anything 'scum probably isn't this bad' should be my go-to reaction when people do/say stuff I don't like.

However this would undermine my Baezu read so as I said previously- I'm conflicted.

[HitAlt]

I'm not sure if scum!SIV would do that post.
I might have raised an eyebrow when reading it, but I still think the intention behind the post was propably good.
In short: I think the level of "tryhard" makes me lean town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not sure if scum!SIV would do that post.
I might have raised an eyebrow when reading it, but I still think the intention behind the post was propably good.
In short: I think the level of "tryhard" makes me lean town.

Hit, my cologne posting directly slightly involves you.

[HitAlt]

Uh-huh.

[HitAlt]

It's hard for me to empathize with this

because as town, I

see the importance of people sticking up for themselves above anything.

This was the only scummy thing in their post. After calling my phrasing LAMIST.

[HitAlt]

Boon, I've seen you do your gambits over the years, and I'm fully aware of your quirks.
When you are scum, your actions tend to be on the dramatic side. Flashy moves and sound effects.
So please explain this cologne thing in full when you feel like it.
Until them, I'll be sitting here with the popcorn.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn’t say this is me being dramatic.

Assuming you’re very aware of my town gambits too. Those are more fun.

[Vorkuta]

I don't see the word cologne in that reply

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't see the word cologne in that reply

He said explain it when I feel like it.

I’m also going through a total playstyle rehaul because people are catching onto me.

[RCEnigma]

Hello, I am one of the people.

I haven't done a readslist in awhile so, why not.

(Ausuka, Alchemist, SS, Umlaut, Vorkuta)
(HitAlt, FL, Cbynumber)
(Fuscosco, Baezu, Siv)

Don't feel strongly about anyone this game so it's literally Townleans - null - scumleans.

Though I do think Alchemist becomes my top town on a Siv red flip.

[SIV36]

What kind of cologne would you wear in that scenario? Would you say you’re at least casually knowledgeable about different fragrances?

I only have a single bottle of brut cologne. I've had it for years. I have zero knowledge of fragrances.

I don’t see how you get the LAMIST thing from what they said. Low-confidence reads also exist. The only part of this post that could make sense to me is the last part about answering someone else’s question, but I don’t understand where you see scum intent there. How would that have been an attempt for hitalt to clear his name? Also who are they buddying in this case, me or RCE?

My idea was that it's convenient for mafia to answer other people's questions. It helps them produce content and makes players think they are game-solving. I know it's a stretch, but I was suggesting he may have been buddying RCE. I was getting gut feelings when noting these things of hit-alt and getting a wolfy impression of him. These gut feelings weren't strong but Ausuka wanted more of an explanation for my suspicions.

[Vorkuta]

Ok- from now on, I will not reply to or provide commentary on anything that doesn't have "Vorkuta" in it. /s

I can understand the reasoning, but I disagree with it.
What's the harm in having 2 or more people answer the same question? Scum can probably generate filler content in better ways.
Plus its been done before this game: #139 as a completely stupid and surface level example.

[Dannflor]

SIV36 has requested replacement. Looking for a replacement.

[Baezu]

Looking over the entire thread, Alchemist has mostly had short comments and questions here and there so I don’t feel a real solid towniness from him. The fact that he agreed with umlauts conclusions raises him up a few townie points for me because umlaut is a TR in my mind.

S_S and Fuscosco are obviously not scum together. Likewise S_S and HitAlt.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

Can you show your work?

I assume scum pay some attention to what their buddies are doing. Fuscosco isn't going to duplicate your self-vote, and HitAlt isn't going to fail to notice that you made one. I guess in the latter case he could just be lying, but I don't think that's what's happening.

I like this post.

But other than this, there really hasn’t been super meaningful content from him...

As far as Ausuka, it’s hard to tell...

This post in particular pings me the wrong way...it almost feels like she’s trying to distance herself from RCE. And if she didn’t really know who else to vote for, why put a vote on Siv? Simply because they have not responded?

Ausuka seems to me like someone playing scum really well

UNVOTE:

yeah I'm not really comfortable with my vote right now - it's not that i've suddenly lost all faith in my train of thought but i feel like rce is being way too legitimately gamesolvy outside of that to continue focusing on him.

VOTE: Siv36

i'd rather do this instead and the more i think about it there's not really any point waiting for siv to respond to vote him.

I have a slight suspicion on S_S however. Contrary to Umlaut's thinking that S_S and hitalt couldn't be together, I think it's plausible that they are. Mafia could also be putting in extra effort to make it seem that they are not on the same team, and would probably work on that right from the beginning of the game. But, I'm also a newbie compared to you guys, you know each other a lot better than I.

This specifically just feels fake. Sure, what he mentions is certainly a possibility, but I don't see any evidence that this actually happened rather than Hitalt legitimately just forgetting about S_S's vote. The last sentence just feels slimy tbh.

He also says he's voting Hitalt because there's a number of red flags but for whatever reason doesn't specify what those red flags are.

I'm definitely not townreading Baezu either tbh.

Cbynumber I really don’t have a read on, sure he’s asked some questions but there really hasn’t been much content...nothing he’s done is pinging me as town or mafia, guess I’ll have to wait and see...


Flavorleaf replaced into a slot that had literally no content. I’d love to see where his line of cologne questioning ends up leading but really he’s pretty null for me at the moment as well


Fuscosco’s play style reminds me a lot of Nachomomma’s and when Nacho played like this he was town. More generally I’ve been in a lot of games where a seasoned player has played this way, little comments here and there, somewhat obfuscating gameplay only to come out day 3 with a detailed post which nails the scum team to a tee...honestly slight town lean

Honestly, the post from hitalt makes a lot of sense to me reading back over the thread. When I first read hitalt’s posts as he was writing them, they came across as scummy but I believe him when he said that he didn’t see SS’s self vote and his posts generally seem towny

I selfvoted because i could, because it sparks discussion, and because, aside from conspicuously not voting at all, its my mo

Fine enough.

VOTE: ausuka - time to activate.

This post from RCE really rubs me the wrong way...a lot of his posts don’t have much content and again, he goes from voting me to voting Siv, whom I feel is the other easy mark.....not feeling crazy town vibes from RCE

Its eay too early to scum read siv?

that baezu vote, though, had just enough meat to be real. what happened?

On what grounds?

Baezu hiding behind Umlauts questioning was initially +scum for me but 91 is pretty much where I'm at. Maybe less sure on Ausuka just because I know she can town tell pretty easily as scum.

I understand why Siv made this vote- he himself had said before that hitalt was pinging him with red flags, but reading over it again, it seems like he might be buddying up to me because hitalt’s posts aren’t particularly scummy when you look at the entire thread...

The other thing that bothers me about Siv is that he’s doing “well enough” and by that I mean, trying to seem just towny enough to get by. Kind of a lesser version of what ausuka is doing

I guess my vote is best on VOTE: HitAlt for now.

SomethingSmart has literally no meaningful content. Seriously dude, can you make a meaningful contribution to this game?

Umlaut is town- moving on

Vorkuta- slight town lean at the moment, but again not too much meat in his posts

From scum to town
Ausuka>Siv>SS>RCE>alchemist>flavorleaf>cbynumber>vorkuta>hitalt>fuscosco>umlaut

VOTE: ausuka

[Something_Smart]

SomethingSmart has literally no meaningful content. Seriously dude, can you make a meaningful contribution to this game?

Patience, young Padawan.

Anything in particular you want my opinion on?

[RCEnigma]

Aaaaaalright so, this is a 180 from the post I backed off of you for. In which you townread all of Ausuka, Umlaut, SS. HitAlt was your initial scum.

I'm not sold on HitAlt scum but I'm interested the flip from Ausuka town to scum when your read is that Siv is doing less than Ausuka but in the same manner. It's only really interesting because of the timing and Sivs recent posting doesn't really redeem him AND he has now repped out.

Then your read on me isn't consistent with the rest of your reads. From what I can tell you are tying me to Ausuka as scum but have siv and SS as your next up. Both of whom where my early pushes and Siv I've doubled down on. It would feel more believable if you went SS + me as early distancing than tying me with Ausuka.