Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Baezu]

Well, sounds like there’s a consensus. So why haven’t I been lynched yet? Make it happen, guys. I’m not going to vote myself. Wouldn’t everyone rather have actual concrete information with which to work tomorrow?

[Something_Smart]

Okay that kind of shit helps nobody so please knock it off.

[Baezu]

Okay that kind of shit helps nobody so please knock it off.

I've been trying to help...I hope I have in some small way

[Baezu]

And I really like that offspring quote

[Alchemist21]

I’m scumreading you but I’m not 100% sold on it. Something_Smart is right, this roll-over-and-die attitude doesn’t help you and it doesn’t help whatever team you’re on.

[Baezu]

I just think it's pretty funny that I point out that I think ausuka is scum and everyone jumps down my throat

[Baezu]

And if so many people were convinced that Siv was scum, why arent there more votes on slaxx?

[Ausuka]

I just think it's pretty funny that I point out that I think ausuka is scum and everyone jumps down my throat

You were the leading wagon before you expressed any suspicion on me and as far as I can tell you recieved one vote since then. That was from a replacement who replaced in after your post.

And if so many people were convinced that Siv was scum, why arent there more votes on slaxx?

I don't think that many people thought Siv was scum?

[Baezu]

Looking over the entire thread, Alchemist has mostly had short comments and questions here and there so I don’t feel a real solid towniness from him. The fact that he agreed with umlauts conclusions raises him up a few townie points for me because umlaut is a TR in my mind.

Why is this worthy of a townread?

The way that he said it. I think that scum would probably keep that to themselves if they felt that someone had made a good comment about the game. I feel that in general, scum would not want to encourage anyone, town or not to make good points

This post in particular pings me the wrong way...it almost feels like she’s trying to distance herself from RCE.

What part of this makes you think I'm distancing myself from RCE? I'm expressing a townread from him.

It felt to me like distancing because there was no real legitimacy or explanation for the unvote except for the fact that you were doubting your previous feelings

And if she didn’t really know who else to vote for, why put a vote on Siv? Simply because they have not responded?

"This specifically just feels fake. Sure, what he mentions is certainly a possibility, but I don't see any evidence that this actually happened rather than Hitalt legitimately just forgetting about S_S's vote. The last sentence just feels slimy tbh.

He also says he's voting Hitalt because there's a number of red flags but for whatever reason doesn't specify what those red flags are."
You quoted this post; what happened? Do you think it's not reasoning for my Siv vote?

I think it is a good reason, but you didn't cite that as your reason

Ausuka seems to me like someone playing scum really well

Can you provide evidence for this. What exactly in my play makes me "scum playing really well" rather than town? You mentioned me distancing myself from RCE, sure, although I don't see how that happened at all; is there anything else at all or is this it?

This comes from my own experiences...when I've been scum in games, it comes with a certain confidence. I think that's why I come across as town when I'm scum. I've also seen a lot of other players play scum phenomenally and the best of them make scum look super towny. So this was me giving you a compliment - I think you're doing a fabulous job

Honestly, the post from hitalt makes a lot of sense to me reading back over the thread. When I first read hitalt’s posts as he was writing them, they came across as scummy but I believe him when he said that he didn’t see SS’s self vote and his posts generally seem towny

I selfvoted because i could, because it sparks discussion, and because, aside from conspicuously not voting at all, its my mo

Fine enough.

VOTE: ausuka - time to activate.

What about 59 makes Hitalt town? It seems very NAI to me. Why did you even scumread them in the first place?

I originally scumread him for his posts on self voting when he was only addressing one of the self votes. But him voting for you (someone who hadn't been targeted until them and has played very towny) actually upped my towny read of his

This post from RCE really rubs me the wrong way...a lot of his posts don’t have much content and again, he goes from voting me to voting Siv, whom I feel is the other easy mark.....not feeling crazy town vibes from RCE

If he's done scumhunting (which he has) does it matter so much if a few of his posts don't have much content? I don't really understand.

This is, of course, subjective

I understand why Siv made this vote- he himself had said before that hitalt was pinging him with red flags, but reading over it again, it seems like he might be buddying up to me because hitalt’s posts aren’t particularly scummy when you look at the entire thread...

You say you understand why Siv made this vote but you also seem to be saying you don't understand why Siv made this vote. I don't really understand this at all.

originally, I understood why he had made this vote but rereading the thread it seemed oddly out of place

The other thing that bothers me about Siv is that he’s doing “well enough” and by that I mean, trying to seem just towny enough to get by. Kind of a lesser version of what ausuka is doing

Can you elaborate on how I'm just trying to seem towny enough to get by?

see above

Why do you think voting Siv is an "easy mark" -> an easy ML but also think he's scum?

If ausuka does end up getting lynched and she does happen to be town, I'm pretty much getting lynched Day 2. As scum, I would not feel comfortable going after someone whom everyone sees as "so town" - losing a scum day 2 would seriously cripple the scum team. If I were scum, I'd put my vote where the majority of votes are going so as not to draw attention to myself

[Baezu]

sorry for the double post, @mod, can you remove one of them please

Done.

[HitAlt]

If I were scum, I'd put my vote where the majority of votes are going so as not to draw attention to myself

Would be hard to make it a good play though?
Voting yourself, huh?

[Baezu]

You thought he was scum,

{rce, hitalt, ss}
{alchemist, fuscosco}
{cbynumber, Flavor leaf, umlaut}
{vorkuta}
{baezu, siv36}

My reads feel a bit too popular which is slightly concerning but other than that I'm fairly comfortable with them. Umlaut was town to me earlier but I ISO'd him and I actually don't see anything that scum couldn't do.

FL thought he was scum,

VOTE: Slaxx

yet not all those people are voting for him

Hey, bud. Excited to play with you.

Also, my cologne gambit is gonna have to wait now.

ScumSIV got scared and couldn’t handle it.

hitalt agreed

Not saying anything about your upper brackets yet, but I think I agree with your bottom 3.

RCE thought so

Hmm maybe not VOTE: Siv

Hello, I am one of the people.

I haven't done a readslist in awhile so, why not.

(Ausuka, Alchemist, SS, Umlaut, Vorkuta)
(HitAlt, FL, Cbynumber)
(Fuscosco, Baezu, Siv)

[Baezu]

If I were scum, I'd put my vote where the majority of votes are going so as not to draw attention to myself

Would be hard to make it a good play though?
Voting yourself, huh?

I'm not understanding what you mean

[HitAlt]

My usual D1 paranoia is starting to peek in ("no way we are catching scum this easily D1 and all townies are actually grouping together that read"), but I honestly don't think any other slot is as deserving of my vote anyway.
Maybe Boon, but I do not see a Universe where we really lynch him D1. Ever.

[HitAlt]

I'm not understanding what you mean

Then the sarcasm/joke was lost in translation.
Maybe a smiley would've driven the point home, but I hate emojis so I never use them.

[Fuscosco]

Im here. Kinda surprised baezu is still the focal point.

[Fuscosco]

baezu, do you has reeds?

[HitAlt]

Actually, @Boon - give me this:

Setup spec. aside - what do you think is the likelyhood for Slaxx scum?

33% or more like 50/50?

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: fuscosco

b-baka

I've seen this from scum quite a bit.
Voting themselves rather than trying to pick a random target.

VOTE: Fuscosco

Why did you vote me instead of SS?

[Ausuka]

It felt to me like distancing because there was no real legitimacy or explanation for the unvote except for the fact that you were doubting your previous feelings

Why is doubting my previous feelings, thinking RCE is town for being gamesolvy, and having a better target for a vote not a legitimate reason to unvote?

I think it is a good reason, but you didn't cite that as your reason

It is though? Like I said it in that post:

This specifically just feels fake. Sure, what he mentions is certainly a possibility, but I don't see any evidence that this actually happened rather than Hitalt legitimately just forgetting about S_S's vote. The last sentence just feels slimy tbh.

He also says he's voting Hitalt because there's a number of red flags but for whatever reason doesn't specify what those red flags are.

I originally scumread him for his posts on self voting when he was only addressing one of the self votes. But him voting for you (someone who hadn't been targeted until them and has played very towny) actually upped my towny read of his

This read is based on me being scum right?

originally, I understood why he had made this vote but rereading the thread it seemed oddly out of place

I feel as if this still doesn't make sense? What do you mean by out of place exactly?

If ausuka does end up getting lynched and she does happen to be town, I'm pretty much getting lynched Day 2.

While you're correct, I don't think this is a valid point because I think it's very unlikely I get lynched today as things are and I think there's a good chance you knew that when you first made your vote.

Baezu: I'm finding it hard to parse your scumread on me. As I see it your points are: 1) I didn't have enough reasoning for unvoting RCE and 2) I didn't have enough reason to vote Siv. Is there anything else?

You thought he was scum,

{rce, hitalt, ss}
{alchemist, fuscosco}
{cbynumber, Flavor leaf, umlaut}
{vorkuta}
{baezu, siv36}

My reads feel a bit too popular which is slightly concerning but other than that I'm fairly comfortable with them. Umlaut was town to me earlier but I ISO'd him and I actually don't see anything that scum couldn't do.

FL thought he was scum,

VOTE: Slaxx

yet not all those people are voting for him

Hey, bud. Excited to play with you.

Also, my cologne gambit is gonna have to wait now.

ScumSIV got scared and couldn’t handle it.

hitalt agreed

Not saying anything about your upper brackets yet, but I think I agree with your bottom 3.

RCE thought so

Hmm maybe not VOTE: Siv

Hello, I am one of the people.

I haven't done a readslist in awhile so, why not.

(Ausuka, Alchemist, SS, Umlaut, Vorkuta)
(HitAlt, FL, Cbynumber)
(Fuscosco, Baezu, Siv)

3 of those are voting your wagon and had you as a scumread; it makes sense they'd wagon the person with the more votes. I can't say I really understand FL's trajectory yet but that was still based on the whole cologne thing I think.

[HitAlt]

Why did you vote me instead of SS?

Eh....guess there is a reason to give the same answer again?

I missed S_S selfvoting.

That's the main reason why.
I really thought you were the only one selfvoting.

Also. I have some exprience with/on S_S. And even with them selfvoting, I do not think the same reasoning applies to them.

For whatever reason thought you were a new player on site, and thought it might have been a newbie scumtell.

(have seen it especially from unconfident players)

[Fuscosco]

Spoiler: posts

I assume scum pay some attention to what their buddies are doing

This is a rather baseless claim. I dont see the need for it so early. But its nai on its own.

UNVOTE: umlaut
Liking his posts

I consider this light red in nature. Why not revote elsewhere, why do this after a single post from umlat, why do it after alchemist said it, etc.

BooneyToonz

Boonz

how many of these are there now? Like 15?

I feel like this selfvote talk is filler.
rather, this talk about S_Ss meta of voting is. please stop talking about creature as well, unless he is an alt of a person here

Still feel this way, btdubs

Anyway,UNVOTE: hitalt

he keeps unvoting his votes.

[Fuscosco]

Eh....guess there is a reason to give the same answer again?

Yea ignore me. Im a dumdum

[Fuscosco]

Ummmm as of right now Im not comfortable lynching bae

[HitAlt]

But what's the best alternative as of now?
I don't feel like going elbow-deep into Slaxx quite yet.