Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Dannflor]

VC 1.05

Nobody's Side - Chess

votes

[4] Baezu

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Alchemist 21 107 Vorkuta 112, HitAlt 122, Ausuka 168

[2] Vorkuta

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cbynumber 14, Fuscosco 347

[1] Ausuka

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Baezu 222

[1] Fusosco

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Slaxx 340

[1] Slaxx

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RCEnigma 96

[1] Something_Smart

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Something_Smart 7

[2] Not Voting

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Flavor Leaf 250, Umlaut 272

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-04-09 19:50:20)

Mod Notes

: Slaxx replaces SIV36!

[Something_Smart]

as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse

This type of AtE always pokes at me, and seeing as I have nothing else to go on but arbitrary scum points:
VOTE: Baezu

This sort of post is an AtE disguised as a post with content.

I don't follow. Isn't it just a gut read?

[Fuscosco]

"This post bugs me, so I will vote it."

Thats an AtE. Its actually a literal RVS. Thats been kept well after RVS. The slot is skulking around, and has kept its vote on baezu. Forget the baezu wagon. Pretend there are no other votes on baezu. The level of volks play should suggest more thought and activity than this.

I could vote other players, but volk's play is weak. I want him to play.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, unpopular opinion, Baez is town.

It's starting to look like it's not so unpopular anymore.

It’s unpopular, people just are thinking it.

[Vorkuta]

can you kindly stop being a shy guy and play?

>Insert appeal to Mondays

I was around literally all day yesterday but noone was posting

Anyway-

quality

content incoming.

[Flavor Leaf]

can you kindly stop being a shy guy and play?

>Insert appeal to Mondays

I was around literally all day yesterday but noone was posting

Anyway-

quality

content incoming.

So you were just lurking admittedly.

[Vorkuta]

This sort of post is an AtE disguised as a post with content.

I disagree- it's one of my major personal gut scum pings.

As I mentioned with

it comes off as "insurancey" for the future as in "oh tehee, sorry my reads were bad- it's just not my day today".

I also/equally really dislike "Oh woe is me, everyone scum reads me" and pretty much automatically vote anyone who pulls this stuff.
It's a move that has very little counter play, probably verifiable but can be overabused, and is among one of the cheapest ways to shrug off suspicion.

The reason I haven't moved my vote off is due to a really bad 'appeal to wiki' follow up, more scummy pings in her posts, and defeatism (gambit).

[Vorkuta]

So you were just lurking admittedly.

??

Are we really going into dates/time stamps?
No one was posting after

I made siv leave

the end of 3/31 so idk what there was to say, and I've been catching up on mobile every now and then.
Now I'm ready to insert my 2 cents here and there

[Vorkuta]

Regardless of how much I disagree'd with Siv's reasoning/points, I don't actually think they were scum per say. I saw "effort" and gamesolvey gears in motion.

I'm sorry if this sounds condescending

, so this coupled with slaxx's towney arrival = town points.

I'm also trying to process whether I accept ausuka's #289 "2 scum-game" conjecture or not.
My recent experience is making me want to reject this (for fairly obvious reasons) unless this is coming from an "informed" slot (in which case- why wait for ~15 pages instead of opening with it), but then I'm left with "what do I do with this player that I disagree with", which is the state I'm in with a third of the cast here.

FL is beginning to do FL stuff and already laying the groundwork for it being """experimental""" and I don't like it. Also I see what I perceive to be scum theater going on, but honestly I

dejectedly

think I'm better off using a random number generator to get a read on FL and should stick to that no matter what.

[Vorkuta]

and play?

I'm still in the process of deciding how best to proceed and what works/doesn't.

I still don't know you (plural) and your personalities/tells so idk what to go on.
I don't know whether I should put more focus on building my core!town block (which is bad and will get infiltrated) or developing my scum suspicions (which are also bad and will result in mislynches).
I'm also deciding how to handle posts/points I fundamentally disagree with- arguing and contesting everything probably won't be helpful in the long run so I just let things slide while they get points relative to what I perceive their intentions with said post are to be.
And everyone I agree with is 1000!% town /s

[Vorkuta]

So you were just lurking admittedly.

*crickets chirping*
Yep looks I'm just active at different times

[Vorkuta]

Real-time interaction would be nice....

[Fuscosco]

FL is beginning to do FL stuff and already laying the groundwork for it being """experimental""" and I don't like it.

what stuff?

[Fuscosco]

Like I know boons, I know he had his moments, but this kind of seems like RC-tier foolery from the way ya'll post about it.

[Fuscosco]

I'm also trying to process whether I accept ausuka's #289 "2 scum-game" conjecture or not.
My recent experience is making me want to reject this (for fairly obvious reasons) unless this is coming from an "informed" slot (in which case- why wait for ~15 pages instead of opening with it), but then I'm left with "what do I do with this player that I disagree with", which is the state I'm in with a third of the cast here.

This?

Spoiler: ausuka's 289

Assuming you're talking about my reads -

Baezu is the primary scumread right now and I want her lynched. The partner(s) is likely in {cby, slaxx, vorkuta} (and I think it's 2 scum because this was a pre-designed setup by schadd who is a modern user and generally speaking is going to mod 13 player setups. if this setup has one less mislynch i think it's because he wanted a balanced two-scum game. additionally 11/12 confirmations seems a bit excessive compared to site standard and I think it's likely to come from the desire to have at least one scum in the game from the start. this is all just speculation though.)

This is simple baseless conjecture about setup. I missed this. I should have chided it. Unless it does turn out to be multiballs. in which case I say "Purple team, you found your Red".

[Fuscosco]

I have no issue with refusing to townread someone with only a few posts, but the bigger problem was that you seemed to be refusing to scumread anyone with a lot of posts.

I see you've already made up your mind about me, and so everything I say you're using to support your theory, which is fine, but I would encourage you to take those lenses off and actually read the content of my bigger posts

This is defensive and it also isnt addressing the recent posts about you.
-they come in and do so in the 308 quotewall-

[Vorkuta]

what stuff?

If I knew, I would stop trembling in fear.

This is simple baseless conjecture about setup.

That's great and all, but it resulted in quite a few townreads for ausuka.
Like this is the "gateway post" through which all of her posts are going to be filtered from/reference to and will consist of 70% of my read on her, and I'm not entirely sure how to process it.

Also quick revision- the only way I would see a 2 scum setup working (unless someone can throw me a link to one) is with third party roles.

[Fuscosco]

9:2:2 works, but I just checked and this is a 12player. Do you think its reasonable to assume 8:2:2 or that its town to not know the gamestate?

[Fuscosco]

but it resulted in quite a few townreads for ausuka.

It shouldnt be.

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So looking at the last few pages I didnt read.

I think baezu is getting clammy, which is bad when they should be pushing their voters.
I think Ausuka made some good points in 285.

Overall I see some good interactions forming, even if we cant agree on a unified readslist/wagon.

[Something_Smart]

9:2:2 works, but I just checked and this is a 12player. Do you think its reasonable to assume 8:2:2 or that its town to not know the gamestate?

I don't think multiball is allowed in mini normals anymore

[Fuscosco]

Ausuka's style of posting should be the focal point of a read on them, not some setup spec. Is the fact that they are speccing town? Im asking whoever.

[Vorkuta]

Do you think its reasonable

Please tell me you're addressing this question to a player with MORE than 3 normal games under his belt. (of which 2 apparently had BS setups that people did not agree with)

[Something_Smart]

Ausuka's style of posting should be the focal point of a read on them, not some setup spec. Is the fact that they are speccing town? Im asking whoever.

The fact of doing setup spec is maybe slightly towny, but player dependent. The way someone does setup spec can be towny, however.

[Fuscosco]

Actually, I want to 180 here. I really like the iso on ausuka rn.

[Fuscosco]

Do you think its reasonable

Please tell me you're addressing this question to a player with MORE than 3 normal games under his belt. (of which 2 apparently had BS setups that people did not agree with)

Vork, can I get some kind of reads from you? Do you have any particular town/scum reads?