Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[Wisdom]

uh so mafia, ww, sk and vig?

aliens cant kill if i recall

[Wisdom]

almost alchemist and Sakura were pretty town

Jingle i can see vigged given it was brass but it has to be someone who doesnt know Jingle if thats the case

[Wisdom]

i guess alien is more likely then

[Wisdom]

no crosskills with 4 factions is really stupid tho

[Wisdom]

VOTE: temporal

[Wisdom]

how many scum total can there be before setup is considered unplayable?

[Wisdom]

liar or not, that got elsa outed

at the very least tttt is not mafia

[Wisdom]

pint im leaning town on you
dont make me unhappy

[Wisdom]

elsa fake claimed because he was being pushed and his claim would deter people from lynching him

tttt was under no pressure and his claim contributed in outing scum

how the hell are the two comparable

what is tttt's scum motivation here?

[Wisdom]

you had town, mafia and alien and picked town

do you usually prefer town?

[Wisdom]

coping dave is consistent with his reads kinda

but even if he is seer i think hes prolly mafia

[Wisdom]

the role pms for greatest idea are standard dave

[Wisdom]

nvm youre right, the pm says lyncher becomes town
i thought they were standard

[Wisdom]

that's what he was referring to

[Wisdom]

{Irrelephant, shadowless}
{xtoxm, TTTT, pint}
{...rest}

thats too many people who need to towntell harder

[Wisdom]

i mean, he could be ww or alien

gf would be useless for that

[Wisdom]

hell even for mafia its probably less useful than other roles in this setup

[Wisdom]

VOTE: temporal

[Wisdom]

no

[Wisdom]

theres also been intent etc so feel free to hammer

[Wisdom]

yeah chemist does look like a crosskill attempt

not one of the top picks like trekkie or dt but still relatively scummy

[Wisdom]

I'm happy to go first as I have a unique role.

Then you shouldn't go first
Youll only tell scum what not to claim

Im def not claiming before certain people

[Wisdom]

you caught tttt doing something at night?

[Wisdom]

silly question though
day actions dont prevent night actions, and they are obviously separate actions
if you caught him doing something hes confirmed scum

[Wisdom]

why would you discard parrot role over vt

[Wisdom]

sounds fake

[Wisdom]

i wanna hear trekkie and dt claim first

[Wisdom]

godfather is admittedly better than bg for a mafia
so trekkie prolly not mafia

[Wisdom]

I'm a troll, but I'm a lazy troll. Not a madly anti-town troll.

full claim cards plz

watcher, VT, parrot role. watcher for alignment, vt for role, discard parrot role. before you ask why I didn't take watcher, it was because I'm both lazy and a troll.

there's only one Town Watcher card so I'm kinda buying this claim

could be scum watcher though

[Wisdom]

could be scum watcher though

the claim is he used town watcher for

alignment

my point is that it's an unnecessarily risky claim
with only one town watcher card in the deck

Yeah and im saying, if he used it for role, he knows its safe

[Wisdom]

doctor sounds pretty safe too

please do claim your ability card

[Wisdom]

Compulsive Childkiller - alignment

CC. Thats mine.

VOTE: pint

[Wisdom]

Wisdom what’s the rest of your claim? Did I miss it?

no, havent claimed it

my ability is another unique so im waiting until after dave and dt at the very least claim

[Wisdom]

no idea what pint is talking about, i didnt even remember there was another mason until it was mentioned

[Wisdom]

nope wasnt paying attention

[Wisdom]

ive never faked cc nor will i ever

if im ccing its because i have what im ccing

[Wisdom]

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

[Wisdom]

even if the mod himself confirmed youre a mason cop i would still not be lying because that isn't what i cc'd

[Wisdom]

mason doc*

[Wisdom]

no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

[Wisdom]

I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

[Wisdom]

this reads that the info youre providing somehow shows im lying
your info is related to your ability
ive ccd your alignment

[Wisdom]

yeah whatever
done talking to you

[Wisdom]

as much as dave makes my skin itch
I agree that wisdom needs to full claim
you don't get to CC and then wait for everyone else to claim before fullclaiming

i mean, i caught one scum
if i can catch another why wouldn't i try

[Wisdom]

Dave, dt as well

[Wisdom]

ofhrz as well

[Wisdom]

because massclaim

go ahead

[Wisdom]

I’m on board with this
VOTE: davesaz

davesaz hasn't struck me as scummy. why not lynch someone like Gamma?

Were lynching pint, they're just pressuring for claims

[Wisdom]

too bad, youre doing it

[Wisdom]

and you picked that over doc

riiiight

[Wisdom]

hes claimed alignment already, it was doc

[Wisdom]

Setup C:
Town unique role that I'd rather not say yet...
Alien Mass Redirector (discard)
Doctor (alignment)

[Wisdom]

oh pgo is ww only? then its more plausible

though he said "town unique role" when it was a ww role, so it could be a fake

[Wisdom]

yeah found it

[Wisdom]

most likely both of his claims are fake
both appear twice and are safer than others

[Wisdom]

So recap

pint - confscum
NMSA - likely scum watcher whos lying
dave - likely lying about both cards

next please

[Wisdom]

yeah i meant town pgo and ww pgo as it appearing twice

[Wisdom]

now we hope dt gamma and ofrhz grace us with their presence and actually claim during that

[Wisdom]

agreed, he said its a town unique role after all

[Wisdom]

how does it not? Say we lynch pink and scum nightkill me. My role flips. The remaining scum who havent claimed now know what not to claim.

And thats ignoring the fact i obviously won't be the only kill

Nope. We lock them all into claims today. Before any other flips.

[Wisdom]

pink

pint*

[Wisdom]

even more reason to massclaim of you think we're close to losing

[Wisdom]

if*

[Wisdom]

we already got a scum from it, dont undermine it.

[Wisdom]

idk if you guys realized or not, but dave said his pgo claim was a lie, so he effectively hasnt claimed

[Wisdom]

oh ok, i thought you were saying you fakeclaimed pgo because you didn't want to claim

[Wisdom]

Still doesn't explain why you picked 1shot pgo over doc

esp if you know you cant lie and thus cant utilize the pgo

[Wisdom]

crosskill

what

[Wisdom]

are you claiming scum or am i dumb

[Wisdom]

protected by who?

[Wisdom]

you think sakura and jingle visited dave then?

[Wisdom]

chemist? But i find it doubtful a joat would use doc instead of cop n1
and on performer of all people

[Wisdom]

chemist? But i find it doubtful a joat would use doc instead of cop n1
and on performer of all people

pretty sure Chemist healed me last night

im talking about n1

[Wisdom]

yeah so it isnt chemist
then who?

[Wisdom]

no lets make this clear

dave still looks pretty scummy to me and i think your theory doesnt make much sense

and given it has an obvious hole in "fruit vendor didnt die" we need that explained if we're to consider it

[Wisdom]

we're still lynching you, don't worry

[Wisdom]

yeah these checks are shit but i wouldn't be too shocked if theyre real

dave and nmsa are way scummier

[Wisdom]

actually wait

Isnt that a cc on trekkie's bodyguard?

Theres only one

[Wisdom]

what do you mean you dont think so

theres one bg card and youre both claiming it

[Wisdom]

did you claim your alignment card btw?

[Wisdom]

what do you mean you dont think so

theres one bg card and youre both claiming it

Oh there is? Who claimed it?

Setup C: Werewolf Cop, Bodyguard, Werewolf Gravedigger

[Wisdom]

i think trekkie is trolling

no way he targeted two people with his "heal" without realizing

[Wisdom]

no we still lynch pint

[Wisdom]

actually i guess thats selfish of me since trekkie is confscum for everyone while pint is just for me

but if pint is actually mason doc he can prevent crosskills on scumbuddies so thats more useful

just dont target trekkie with anything and hes no harm

[Wisdom]

i dont understand how you can believe this is setup a

you were a replacement like me

above the choices, you got the role pm that says what you are

how did you think you were a bg? i dont buy it

[Wisdom]

Hey Wisdom. When are you going to claim?

after ofrhz and gamma preferably

[Wisdom]

then we'll get a replacement and theyll do it

impatience is not an excuse to better scum's claiming conditions

[Wisdom]

i dont understand how you can believe this is setup a

you were a replacement like me

above the choices, you got the role pm that says what you are

how did you think you were a bg? i dont buy it

I didn't. I knew I was cult and fake claimed BG.

oh then why are you saying you thought we were on setup a

[Wisdom]

do cultists even know each other

[Wisdom]

Your being selfish again. if your being honest, then what you say is true. But from our pov, thats exactly what your doing. Waiting for everyone to claim so you can claim without worry.

well sorry if it looks like that, but it catches scum so ill keep doing it

[Wisdom]

dt are you aware of the cc situation

pint claimed my aligment card

[Wisdom]

Claims
Player	Role Card	Alignment Card	Discard
Irrelephant11	Judas	Vanilla Townie	Lover
Shadowlesscloud	Tracker	Hero	Werewolf FBI Agent
TTTT	One-Shot Dayvig	Vanilla Townie	Private Investigator
Vedith	Supersaint	Vanilla Townie	Alpha Werewolf
pinturicchio	Mason Doctor	Compulsive Childkiller	Alien Silencer
Trekkie99	Black Goo	Cult One-shot Goomaker	Mafia Godfather
DoubtingThomas	Werewolf Cop	Bodyguard	Werewolf Gravedigger
davesaz	One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Doctor	Alien Mass Redirector
NotMySpamAccount	Vanilla Townie	Watcher	Parrot Role
ofrhz			Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald			Mason Lover
Wisdom		Compulsive Childkiller	Conspiracy Theorist

[Wisdom]

pintu and i cc'd

[Wisdom]

they do for me

[Wisdom]

this should work

Claims
Player	Role Card	Alignment Card	Discard
Irrelephant11	Judas	Vanilla Townie	Lover
Shadowlesscloud	Tracker	Hero	Werewolf FBI Agent
TTTT	One-Shot Dayvig	Vanilla Townie	Private Investigator
Vedith	Supersaint	Vanilla Townie	Alpha Werewolf
pinturicchio	Mason Doctor	Compulsive Childkiller	Alien Silencer
Trekkie99	Black Goo	Cult One-shot Goomaker	Mafia Godfather
DoubtingThomas	Werewolf Cop	Bodyguard	Werewolf Gravedigger
davesaz	One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Doctor	Alien Mass Redirector
NotMySpamAccount	Vanilla Townie	Watcher	Parrot Role
ofrhz			Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald			Mason Lover
Wisdom		Compulsive Childkiller	Conspiracy Theorist

[Wisdom]

Claims
Player	Role Card	Alignment Card	Discard
Irrelephant11	Judas	Vanilla Townie	Lover
Shadowlesscloud	Tracker	Hero	Werewolf FBI Agent
TTTT	One-Shot Dayvig	Vanilla Townie	Private Investigator
Vedith	Supersaint	Vanilla Townie	Alpha Werewolf
pinturicchio	Mason Doctor	Compulsive Childkiller	Alien Silencer
Trekkie99	Black Goo	Cult One-shot Goomaker	Mafia Godfather
DoubtingThomas	Werewolf Cop	Bodyguard	Werewolf Gravedigger
davesaz	One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Doctor	Alien Mass Redirector
NotMySpamAccount	Vanilla Townie	Watcher	Parrot Role
ofrhz	Serial Killer (2 shot bulletproof)	Hirsute Townie	Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald			Mason Lover
Wisdom		Compulsive Childkiller	Conspiracy Theorist

[Wisdom]

oops i messed up the header

Claims
Player	Role Card	Alignment Card	Discard
Irrelephant11	Judas	Vanilla Townie	Lover
Shadowlesscloud	Tracker	Hero	Werewolf FBI Agent
TTTT	One-Shot Dayvig	Vanilla Townie	Private Investigator
Vedith	Supersaint	Vanilla Townie	Alpha Werewolf
pinturicchio	Mason Doctor	Compulsive Childkiller	Alien Silencer
Trekkie99	Black Goo	Cult One-shot Goomaker	Mafia Godfather
DoubtingThomas	Werewolf Cop	Bodyguard	Werewolf Gravedigger
davesaz	One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Doctor	Alien Mass Redirector
NotMySpamAccount	Vanilla Townie	Watcher	Parrot Role
ofrhz	Serial Killer (2 shot bulletproof)	Hirsute Townie	Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald			Mason Lover
Wisdom		Compulsive Childkiller	Conspiracy Theorist

[Wisdom]

hey

[Wisdom]

yup we'll wait for the replacement

[Wisdom]

do people retain their abilities after culted?

[Wisdom]

majority of us dont have targeting actions even if we wanted to

[Wisdom]

only shadow, dt and scum can visit you

[Wisdom]

claim your alignment card as well

[Wisdom]

in the bottom of your role pm it says setup A, setup B, setup C

just tell us the three roles for setup C

[Wisdom]

In the meantime, who are the main suspects here? Can someone help me catch up?

trekkie is claimed scum (cult) and I have cc'd pinturiccio's alignment card so thats another confscum

notmyspamaccount and dave also have pretty scummy claims

[Wisdom]

Claims
Player	Role Card	Alignment Card	Discard
Irrelephant11	Judas	Vanilla Townie	Lover
Shadowlesscloud	Tracker	Hero	Werewolf FBI Agent
TTTT	One-Shot Dayvig	Vanilla Townie	Private Investigator
Vedith	Supersaint	Vanilla Townie	Alpha Werewolf
pinturicchio	Mason Doctor	Compulsive Childkiller	Alien Silencer
Trekkie99	Black Goo	Cult One-shot Goomaker	Mafia Godfather
DoubtingThomas	Werewolf Cop	Bodyguard	Werewolf Gravedigger
davesaz	One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Doctor	Alien Mass Redirector
NotMySpamAccount	Vanilla Townie	Watcher	Parrot Role
ofrhz	Serial Killer (2 shot bulletproof)	Hirsute Townie	Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald	Psychiatrist	Tourist	Mason Lover
Wisdom	Bulletproof Townie	Compulsive Childkiller	Conspiracy Theorist

[Wisdom]

already done

[Wisdom]

i still prefer pintu

his role is likely truthful meaning he can save crosskills

and i doubt scum opt to be culted if it means losing their kill

[Wisdom]

personally i liked ofrhz and insomnia claims

im going with {pint, trekkie, dave, nmsa} as remaining scum

[Wisdom]

We still haven’t explained Performer living to D2

the mod said the pgo has to activate it
dave didnt activate it
thus he lived

[Wisdom]

wait youre right, 4 scum dont make sense with 4 kills since one of them is cult

unless one of them has vig as ability and killed two people

otherwise there are more

[Wisdom]

If Pintu is scum I think he’d just take the cross kill? And he can’t protect himself, so I still think Trekkie should be the lynch

the other thing is that if pint is the only scum of his faction, we lower the kill count by one

[Wisdom]

also ngl, i wanna resolve that so i can be bp conftown

[Wisdom]

idk that pintu is likely to die

what if scum agree with your theory and try to shoot possible cultists

or just, dont try to crosskill in general and go for the tracker or the cop so that they arent caught

[Wisdom]

are you referring to pint's word choice or mine

[Wisdom]

('cause it's Day 3 and there's no Cult flips so you can get an estimate of how many of there are alive)

i lold a little at this empty argument

[Wisdom]

are you referring to pint's word choice or mine

I was being sarcastic about “pint claimed my alignment card” somehow being a scummy word choice

ok thats what i thought

[Wisdom]

i understand me being against the cultist lynch is maybe worrying for me being a cultist but i really dont see the danger of the cult

scum havent targeted trekkie with their kill or he would be dead, so they have to have targeted him with another ability

there are three town targeting roles, and even if all of them have targeted him and are now cultists, that would mean nobody else town can target them

scum are divided in many different factions and they dont know what the other scum will do so it does not look likely to me that they will try to be culted. if they even can do that without killing trekkie.

so in general i dont see much reason to worry about this

[Wisdom]

Pedit2: But my point is that “town can’t target” might be a function of fake claims from cultists rather than true claims from town

who are these claims?

tttt is proven dayvig so cant target at night
you duh
me
dave and nmsa, who are most likely scum
vedith with a supersaint claim, which is unlikely to come from a cultist (or any scum)
and ofrhz

only ofrhz and me could fit this

[Wisdom]

how does that change anything @ttt

[Wisdom]

why the fuck do i yolo cc

do you know me to do such things

[Wisdom]

again, there are only three targeting abilities

however these three cant even coordinate to decide that they will all target trekkie, so its very very doubtful that they will all decide to do it

so ultimately the most likely scenario is that noone will

but even in the worst case that they somehow all do; its just four cultists total. its not game threatening.

[Wisdom]

and i repeat, which non targeting ability is fake? do i have to repeat myself or can you just read what i told irrele?

[Wisdom]

Thought problem: Should someone with a proven track record of townreading scum early game ever choose doc in a game that is 90+% likely to be multiball?
Yeah, I know it's a self meta argument, but welcome to the inside of my head.

also thats bs
pgo is much more disastrous to town and you didnt know its activated so yeah.

[Wisdom]

i feel like nobody is reading

[Wisdom]

Pedit2: But my point is that “town can’t target” might be a function of fake claims from cultists rather than true claims from town

who are these claims?

tttt is proven dayvig so cant target at night
you duh
me
dave and nmsa, who are most likely scum
vedith with a supersaint claim, which is unlikely to come from a cultist (or any scum)
and ofrhz

only ofrhz and me could fit this

[Wisdom]

basically everyone agrees about dave and nmsa so

[Wisdom]

the original point was that some town roles may have faked their non targeting claims

even if you consider dave and nmsa to be town someone else has to be scum in their place so the point remains

[Wisdom]

ive already explained it

cult is just not dangerous and we're better off lynching pint

[Wisdom]

a supersaint claim encourages people to lynch it so they get two kills in one
cult need numbers so thats not a good idea

[Wisdom]

tttt you can still join the cool guys

[Wisdom]

lol no
there were 4 kills n1, one of them is your doing
at least claim sk if you want to be believed

[Wisdom]

also why are you still acting like im scum? If youre accepting you fakeclaimed im conftown

[Wisdom]

there were 4 kills. if you are a survivor, then in addition to you and trekkie, who have no kills, there are a mafia, a ww, an alien, and a SK. (or two SKs)
so 6 scum total.
i find it way more believable that you are one of these and youre claiming survivor to avoid being lynched.

[Wisdom]

The lack of kills are your doc and/or my bp
irrele and me are very good targets

[Wisdom]

if you were a survivor youd say so when i cc'd you

[Wisdom]

also why would you pick survivor over alien?
literally nobody does that

[Wisdom]

you just said you knew you wouldnt win the 1v1 with me so thats bs

besides, you knew i had the card, so even if you won the 1v1 youd get lynched next, which is a no no for a survivor

As survivor the only thing that makes sense is to accept you fakeclaimed and reveal

[Wisdom]

i think im done here

hammer pls

[Wisdom]

l-1 i think

[Wisdom]

yep thats what i was expecting, wolf.

[Wisdom]

also youre not hammered yet, silly.

[Wisdom]

gg

[Wisdom]

you sensed she was about to guilty me and got rid of her