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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:31 pm

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Post Post #5 (isolation #1) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:31 pm

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VOTE: enigma
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:34 pm

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it really has been. i'm excited to play with you again skitter!
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Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:45 pm

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In post 12, tris wrote: VOTE: ofrhz The way you voted was very scummy.
Why?
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Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:45 pm

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Hi :D
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Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:20 pm

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In post 16, tris wrote:Just look at this.
In post 5, ofrhz wrote:VOTE: enigma
Isn't it obvious?
it's not, so explain?
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Post Post #29 (isolation #6) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:54 pm

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In post 24, ofrhz wrote:
In post 16, tris wrote:Just look at this.
In post 5, ofrhz wrote:VOTE: enigma
Isn't it obvious?
it's not, so explain?
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Post Post #102 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:15 am

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I think insomnia is town
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Post Post #106 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:59 am

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Thinking tris is town too
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Post Post #107 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:01 am

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In post 99, Yes Mafia wrote:VOTE: insomnia
Why?
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Post Post #154 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:11 pm

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In post 137, GuiltyLion wrote: also unpack this for me: what do you think the interactions are between rooster and I, S-T or S-S?

like
- do you think we're scum together and we decided to open with him sheeping me, then us mutually agreeing it was a good vote? why is that likely, especially considering how unlikely it is a priori that we're both scum?
- do you think he's scum sheeping misguided town!me?
- do you think I'm scum and he's the misguided town? in which case your reasons for scumreading him were wrong to begin with?


I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you.
A few of GL’s pushes come off as a bit reachy so far. This quote is good example

At this point in the game, it’s fairly common for people to focus on coming up with independent scumreads (and for these scumreads to change later) and not really think about partners or the scumteam together. With this in mind, I don't see why the two bolded lines can't make sense?

This push seems reasonable on a superficial level but doesn't come off as arguing in good faith

VOTE: GuiltyLion
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Post Post #155 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:12 pm

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In post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not interested in giving reasons for my townread
Is this a relatively recent change to your playstyle? I've played with you once (Trapped modded by mutantdevle), and I remember you being more open about explaining your townreads there.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:13 pm

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Talk to me about your tr on gl, skitter
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Post Post #160 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:42 pm

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In post 157, skitter30 wrote:he's thinking a lot of the things i'm thinking as i was reading through the thread (specifically posts like , , the bit about tris in

i like that he's reaching out to other people and how he was trying to push the game out of rvs (as evidenced by his push on beazu for a lack of early-game contributions)
Re: the push on Baezu - I think someone else mentioned earlier that they though Baezu's entrance was more null (i.e. "lacked town") and not really scummy, which is kind of what I thought as well. GL later said this wasn't a strong scumread though, so I don't really want to overanalyze this

I did like 142 tho, I'll give you that
a lot of the things he's saying has the underlying current of trying to progress the game and to get people to articulate reads and
to start forming towncores
and it just feels to me like he's trying to get the game into a ~cohesive / game-solving-conducive~ gamestate
I'm not really seeing the bolded? I think he stated a tr on roster and tris, but I'm not sure about forming towncores or even starting to
ftr not scumreading GL for this, since it's still early, but i'm not seeing how this is a valid reason to townread him.
i don't agree with all of his pushes (like, say, the bit where he was pushing mariar for not townreading tris even though her townreads were townreading her; that's a silly reason to expect someone to townread someone at this stage)
but i think he's def approachign this with a townie/solve-y mindset
I see scum motivation in this though. What did you think of my ?

I think the rest is pretty valid
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Post Post #162 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:47 pm

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In post 158, GuiltyLion wrote:there's a time and a place for explaining townreads, but when
an early scumread is trying to poke holes in your townread on another player
- another player who is not really under major scrutiny or lynch pressure - that is not the time.
This is fair. I think the bolded is the difference from the situations that arose in Trapped that I was originally thinking of
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Post Post #164 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:59 pm

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tbh was mostly me trying to get a better read on skitter

But that does raise an interesting point though. If you weren't explicit about it, would skitter pick up on it? idk
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Post Post #171 (isolation #16) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:15 am

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I’d vote vizzy
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Post Post #172 (isolation #17) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:17 am

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In post 166, Invisibility wrote:VOTE: enigma
nvm figured it out myself
How do you feel about the current wagons?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #18) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:27 am

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VOTE: invis

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Post Post #175 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:28 am

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In post 172, ofrhz wrote:
In post 166, Invisibility wrote:VOTE: enigma
nvm figured it out myself
How do you feel about the current wagons?
(Current wagons = Elbirn, gl, yes mafia)
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Post Post #204 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:58 am

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Post Post #218 (isolation #21) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:26 pm

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In post 217, volxen wrote:The bolded questions in the post you quoted are fine, there is nothing disingenuous about them.
The disingenuous part is the "I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you."

I don't see why the two bolded scenarios don't make sense for someone with independent scumreads on GL and roster

I think I said why it doesn't come off as in bad faith?
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Post Post #219 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:35 pm

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I'm actually fine with the Yes Mafia wagon despite not being on it

I can understand the reluctance around not putting him at L-1 so early though, since that puts them in claim and lolhammer territory

Still tr'ing tris
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Post Post #221 (isolation #23) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:41 pm

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I'm not ready to end the day right now (or in 24 hours from now)
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Post Post #229 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:56 pm

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In post 226, tris wrote:@ofrhz, why do you scumread Invisible?
I think he has ignored a lot of the main conversation going on and instead chose to vote for lurkers, who are always easy pushes to make. Also kind of gutreading him as awkward

Another reason why I originally voted him was also bc he said he thought could've been 1 scum in {Elbirn, GL} and then later chose to vote Enigma while not giving a read on either Elbirn or GL, though he later said he was tr'ing both so I'm not sure on this point anymore.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:05 pm

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In post 227, volxen wrote:I don't think GL was trying to say anything regarding independent scumreads vs scumteams, just that he didn't understand why Elbirn was individually scumreading either of them. The two bolded scenarios do make sense if Elbirn is scumreading one or both of them, but GL was just asking why that was the case in the first place.

The "I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you" is a bit over zealous, because it's written in such a way so as to suggest that both GL and Roster are obvtown and that this shouldn't be questioned. Obviously, that is a debatable point. I don't think I would go so far as to say it's disingenuous, if GL believes that he and Roster have both been "obvtown" then I can see town!him saying something like that. I can see all of this coming from a confident town!GL that just thinks it's "obvious" that he and Roster are both town and can't understand why Elbirn also doesn't see that.
1) I think we have different interpretations of GL's original post

2) Re: "I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you"
I read this as "you're scum because you have two scumreads but none of these partner associations with the two of us make sense." I think that's unfair because early reads are volatile and subject to change, so having scumreads on two people who don't make sense as scum together is fine
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Post Post #232 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:22 pm

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I'm not townreading skitter yet, which is concerning
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Post Post #234 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:38 pm

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Long summary short is that she would be posting more frequently and engaging directly with people in a real-time manner if she were town
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Post Post #235 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:39 pm

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*long story short

yeah I'm going to bed too
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Post Post #323 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:10 am

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Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum :(
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Post Post #324 (isolation #30) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:11 am

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In post 302, Enigma wrote:VOTE: insomnia
here for now is good
Why?

Do you have any other scumreads?

VOTE: enigma
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Post Post #350 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:47 pm

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In post 301, Enigma wrote:so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...

noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment

2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit
Is anyone entertained by yes mafia’s play this game?

Serious question

Reason #1 is an interesting justification for keeping yes mafia around
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Post Post #351 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:47 pm

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Sup skitz!
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Post Post #353 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:48 pm

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In post 349, skitter30 wrote:why do you think yes mafia is not mafia
Yeah I don’t think NM is actually part of the hydra either
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Post Post #359 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:19 pm

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Idk might as well just ask this outright

@yes mafia: is one of your heads performer?
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Post Post #361 (isolation #35) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:24 pm

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In post 359, ofrhz wrote:Idk might as well just ask this outright

@yes mafia: is one of your heads performer?
I guess one of the heads being performer doesn’t mean the other isn’t not mafia

It’s kind of a hilarious duo though for some reason lol
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Post Post #362 (isolation #36) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:31 pm

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In post 336, skitter30 wrote:why are you townreading tris?
i think that her vote on the wagon was quite awful and indicative of trying to ensure that the wagon stayed within lynch-range
I didn’t really see her vote that way

I think she voted to keep up the pressure on someone who was periodically popping in but not being very towny. I can see why she unvoted at L-1 to avoid a lolhammer or something, but I generally agree with not backing down from pressuring a wagon when the person being wagoned hasn’t towned it up (so her unvoting at L-1 but revoting to put yes at L-2 makes sense to me). I think her vote on yes also tracks with her statements that she had a bunch of null reads but no strong scumreads at the time.

I think she’s town because a lot of her thoughts mirror mine to the point where I think they’re unlikely to be faked
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Post Post #366 (isolation #37) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:44 pm

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In post 360, Enigma wrote:
In post 350, ofrhz wrote:
In post 301, Enigma wrote:so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...

noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment

2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit
Is anyone entertained by yes mafia’s play this game?

Serious question

Reason #1 is an interesting justification for keeping yes mafia around
no, but i like not seeing the trolly trolly wars NM gets into if it is him
Didn’t you get really pissed off at not mafia for mislynching you in The Lab?
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Post Post #367 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:06 pm

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Insomnia can you explain why you tr baezu?
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Post Post #383 (isolation #39) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:59 pm

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In post 381, Baezu wrote:Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...
Is this a tr or an sr
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Post Post #386 (isolation #40) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:19 pm

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Baezu why do you tr volxen?
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Post Post #388 (isolation #41) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:32 pm

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Thinking enigma is town

VOTE: invis
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Post Post #411 (isolation #42) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:01 am

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Lurker wagons tend to be bad for VCA

Or that’s the thought at least
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Post Post #412 (isolation #43) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 404, Baezu wrote:
In post 388, ofrhz wrote:Thinking enigma is town

VOTE: invis
Because of post ?
I think town Enigma tends to harp on things that he thinks are scummy and will harp and nitpick on them even if everyone else disagrees

I think that’s basically what he has done here wrt insomnia
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Post Post #413 (isolation #44) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:11 am

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In post 403, Baezu wrote:
In post 386, ofrhz wrote:Baezu why do you tr volxen?
Based on meta...I think his play here is town...I know that meta reads don’t really count for much so I’m definitely keeping my eye on that slot for more info as well
Can you elaborate on this meta read?

I do think metareads are worthwhile
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Post Post #417 (isolation #45) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:18 am

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We still have ten days? It feels like we’ve been in this dayphase for forever
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Post Post #420 (isolation #46) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:53 am

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When did you metadive volxen, Baezu?
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Post Post #438 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:42 pm

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@mod, can you let us know when people have been prodded?
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Post Post #526 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:25 pm

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In post 424, skitter30 wrote:ngl i don't see anything as being particularly unlikely to be faked.
Tris has expressed thoughts on the game that I have never even voiced in the thread

I would say yes, that kind of mind meld is hard to fake
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Post Post #527 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:27 pm

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In post 425, skitter30 wrote:
In post 370, tris wrote:My unvote was more of a reaction to seeing that I had accidentally put Yes at L-1 without realizing it and without announcing it. I wasn't opposed to it being brought to L-1 as long as people are aware of the fact.
were you ok with lynching him at that time?
Why is this push a thing

In the past, you have been completely fine with pressuring a lurker by wagoning them while at the same time, expressed discomfort with putting the same lurker wagon a L-1. That’s the same exact thought process tris had here
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Post Post #528 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:42 pm

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In post 509, Performer wrote:They're basically people I don't townread
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Post Post #529 (isolation #51) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:43 pm

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Why are you townreading invis @perf?
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Post Post #530 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:47 pm

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In post 453, Baezu wrote:Ofrhz- do you have a reads list?
From town to scum:

Tris, Elbirn, insomnia
Enigma, GL, roster
volxen, Maria
Vizzy, skitter, yes, baezu
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Post Post #531 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:47 pm

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In post 448, Enigma wrote:offerz help i dont tr skitter either
We go big or go home

VOTE: skitter
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Post Post #549 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:56 pm

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Are we really going to get bogged down in semantics

Yes mafia was popping in to give little content and making questionable votes - ie yes you could call that active lurking

It wasn’t evident at the time that yes mafia would not yield to pressure. in fact, I think yes mafia has become ever so slightly more open about his reads
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Post Post #550 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:58 pm

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In post 548, skitter30 wrote:it felt like she was trying to keep the momentum on the wagon, but made sure to remove herself from it when it got too close to a lynch so she wouldn't like *actually* be on it when/if a lynch happened
I think this is a reach and doesn’t take into the obvious explanation that has already been explained like 3 times
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Post Post #551 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:01 pm

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In post 547, skitter30 wrote:
In post 526, ofrhz wrote:
In post 424, skitter30 wrote:ngl i don't see anything as being particularly unlikely to be faked.
Tris has expressed thoughts on the game that I have never even voiced in the thread

I would say yes, that kind of mind meld is hard to fake
i don't see it.
her posts are kinda just ~there~, almost like she's using them to demonstrate that she's like *present* and *posting* than to like sort people. her questions and observations are shallow and i don't think she posted anything particularly more likely to come from town than scum.

also this feels like a not svs associatives between you and tris
You’re not me so how can you see the mind meld, especially when I said that I haven’t expressed these mind meld thoughts in the game?

I skimmed anuket topaz and didn’t get the impression that tris was really all that different there. I would say you’re not really engaging as much as compared to that game though

And in terms of impact on the game, I don’t think you’ve had as much as you would’ve had if you were town. Like you written a lot of text so far, but it hasn’t spurred forth the game and just comes off as trying to “look town.”
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Post Post #556 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:27 am

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In post 553, Invisibility wrote:hey does anyone know how to stop being bad im having a ton of trouble forming reads and stuff this game
Are you townreading skitter?
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Post Post #568 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:12 pm

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Everybody plz put your vote on skitter

This is a prodge since I expect to be busy tomorrow
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Post Post #584 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:25 am

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Yes is probably just town tbh
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Post Post #606 (isolation #60) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:40 am

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In post 593, Baezu wrote:
In post 549, ofrhz wrote:Are we really going to get bogged down in semantics

Yes mafia was popping in to give little content and making questionable votes - ie yes you could call that active lurking

It wasn’t evident at the time that yes mafia would not yield to pressure. in fact, I think yes mafia has become ever so slightly more open about his reads
So has your opinion of him changed?
I’d probably move yes up a tier
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Post Post #607 (isolation #61) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:41 am

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In post 594, Invisibility wrote:hi gusy nevermidn i probably cant reread today because i have to mow the lawn
but tommorrow is friday!!!
also the skitter wagon is msotly that skitter isnt really being towny enough?
It’s based on meta of how I think skitter would play as town. It’s not just a pressure wagon or paranoia if that’s what you’re asking
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Post Post #608 (isolation #62) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:44 am

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In post 595, Baezu wrote:
In post 561, Baezu wrote:
In post 530, ofrhz wrote:
In post 453, Baezu wrote:Ofrhz- do you have a reads list?
From town to scum:

Tris, Elbirn, insomnia
Enigma, GL, roster
volxen, Maria
Vizzy, skitter, yes, baezu
Hm why are volxen and Maria pinging as scummy to you?
They’re not really

I put people who are equally towny on the same tier and my scumreads are people who are on the lowest tier

It’s best to read this as “volxen and Maria are scummier than the people above them but townier than the people below them.” In this case, they’re lower than a lot of people because they lacked town rather than being scummy
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Post Post #609 (isolation #63) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:47 am

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In post 602, Elbirn wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Baezu

I lied I want this more
I don’t think a wall post readslist from skitter makes her townier

If anything, the fact that she’s at l-2 and not actively arguing with her townreads on her wagon to dismantle it is a sign that she’s not town. Skitter gets very annoyed if she gets mislynched as town and that’s not the reaction I’m seeing here
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Post Post #622 (isolation #64) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:26 pm

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Sup vizzy still rereading?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #65) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:31 pm

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Yeet
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Post Post #626 (isolation #66) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:37 pm

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That’s L-1

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Post Post #655 (isolation #67) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:45 am

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She’s usually vla at this time but she’ll probably be here in ~12 hours
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Post Post #662 (isolation #68) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:57 am

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In post 643, Baezu wrote:That was an honest mistake guys, I did look at the vote counts and thought I had the one with all the votes. And I already explained why i focused on three of the four
Do you have any thoughts on the skitter wagon?
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Post Post #681 (isolation #69) » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:51 am

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Light ganski is online \o/

One could say that I’ve finally seen the light haHAA
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #70) » Thu May 09, 2019 6:09 am

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Yay!

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