911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)

[Enigma]

Hi all

[Enigma]

Nono you're supposed to tell me what your emergency is. Baezu, Tris, please pay attention. Let's try again.

911 what's your emergency?

I’m hungry but I ate all my food already. Help

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guys what happened to rvs and where did the walls come from

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sorry was going to read tonight but ran out of time, ill catch up over the next few days

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VOTE: Enigma

come play

sorry i fell asleep on thursday and had a bit of a big night last night, and woke up a bit hungover. reading rn

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VOTE: Enigma

come play

sorry i fell asleep on thursday and had a bit of a big night last night, and woke up a bit hungover. reading rn

im glad to see so familiar faces in this game, looking forward to playing with everyone

just a quick note on that -
gl's vote on me is a bit meh and pointless. you've played with me before, and should know im typically active but sometimes i will disappear for a few days with prdodges then appear again bc of work ... this is quite different to lurking. and heads up i have some work travel over the next few weeks, so activity will be patchy here and there

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some initial townleads

ofrhz - meta
chicken - interactions with insomnia
tris - nothing specific, just general game play (and also 72)
maria - interactions with gl, particularly 173

thats enough on this list for now

[Enigma]

actually add vizzy to that list

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so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...

noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment
2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit

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VOTE: insomnia
here for now is good

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Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)

Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)

1. are you calling me/vizzy scum?
2. do you think you are easily readable? or acting townie this game?
3. what does lynching an inactive slot achieve in terms of next day scum hunting?

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Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)

Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)

1. are you calling me/vizzy scum?
2. do you think you are easily readable? or acting townie this game?
3. what does lynching an inactive slot achieve in terms of next day scum hunting?

This is scum for trying to keep mislynch bait later on in the game, take notes

so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...

noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment
2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit

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Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum

nahhh im not, sorry

VOTE: insomnia
here for now is good

Why?

Do you have any other scumreads?

VOTE: enigma

yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game

insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie

[Enigma]

Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum

why
and why sad face

[Enigma]

Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?

no but more so, i cant see any town motivation for why he would try to force a role claim

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re YM
see here:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77984

from OP:
Yes Mafia (anonymous hydra)

see the ingame speculation and also the posts - reckon it is a NM hydra .. though not confirmed

[Enigma]

some initial townleads

ofrhz - meta
chicken - interactions with insomnia
tris - nothing specific, just general game play (and also 72)
maria - interactions with gl, particularly 173

thats enough on this list for now

these are kinda confusing given that your'e using associatives to justify townreads without explaining your reads on the people they have associatives with

what about chicken's interactions with insomnia are townie? why is 173 townie?

i know that enigma sometimes wont' post for a couple of days at a time from prior games; im not sure that the late entrance is inherently ai; what's more bothering me is that when he's here his posts are very lackluster.

i realise i am usually prefer not to try to communicate my scum reads when its just a gut, so therefore, it might not make a lot of sense my read list and associatives
from my catchup read, i sr gl and insomnia, and therefore tr the others based on their interactions and agreeing with their thoughts

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so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...

noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:

1. they provide entertainment

2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit

Is anyone entertained by yes mafia’s play this game?

Serious question

Reason #1 is an interesting justification for keeping yes mafia around

no, but i like not seeing the trolly trolly wars NM gets into if it is him

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Didn’t you get really pissed off at not mafia for mislynching you in The Lab?

yes, but i still think hes good quality when hes not screwing me

i stand by my position that YM is not the ideal lynch position today.

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I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO

mechanically, how does threatening to l-1 someone make sense? then what are you going to do when they claim? ohh nah lets not lynch them?
we are not going down the path of lets l-1 claim then the next guy and next guy, it just makes it easier for scum to hunt prs.

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In post 358, Enigma wrote:
i sr gl

Explain? Because I really disagree with this one.

i pretty much said in the post i havent figured out how to explain it yet, which is why in the first place i didn't really note it

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I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO

ps: i remember when i called out the entire scumteam in lylo, and then you called me bad and said my reads were all wrong and that i was scum?
was that mechanical?

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What does that game have to do with any of this?

its a subtle hint that willingness to reassess your scum reads and actually listening to what other people say can be a productive thing

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Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)

how is this post bad

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Just because you late game found BuJ scum because he was voting you and then you could form associations based on that read it doesn’t make you a good player sry

im not saying im a good player, im saying that you stubbornly refused to acknowledge someone else's logic or reasoning when it did not coincide with your own

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Mechanically, killing someone that

1) Is not helping to progress with town wincon

2) Is helping the wincon of scum by being suspicious and easy lynch bait

Is the right play here.

You’re basically saying “he’s too scummy to not be town” which is faulty logic.

here let me show you ...

i agree with you:
1. yes i can see you reasoning behind why you would want to vote YM
2. someone like YM can be a liability later in the game

i argue that:
1. it is not a sustainable town strat just to lynch lynchbait
2. its easy for scum to jump on a town!lynchbait wagon and to defend themselves against it later in the game
3. it is much better use of a vig (or cop, but cop can have other better targets) to sort the role

i reject that:
1. im not saying hes too scummy to not be town - rather im saying you dont get any value out of d1 by tunnelling a lurker/troll and this does beneficial to town

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Logic = makes sense

You are defending someone with 5 posts that votes for a no lynch at the beginning of the day and then has a 6 player lynch pool

Reasons for defending :

1) Provides entertainment. Where’s that entertainment? This isn’t a reason to keep someone around even if he was entertaining
2) shit associatives post-flip. I highly doubt that would be the case.
3) cop/vig should do our job instead of checking / shooting people that can’t be read. What a waste. I’ve explained a vig shot on him is useless, not sure this is how jester works, but the only scenario vig should shoot someone like YM would be if this was a jester setup.

You are refusing to vote someone that is preventing us from progressing. That’s why I scum read you.

Oh, that plus if he is town, it just proves you are scum who wanted to get merit points as they lacked content and probably will lurk half of the game.

There’s no reason to defend someone that isn’t even defending themselves. He has 5 posts, why are you going out of your way to defend him? If he was an active player with reads, then maybe I’d argue defending him would come off as natural, but...just why?

You’re helping to keep someone alive that will screw with town extra hard. That’s anti-town.

I guess this accusation is pointless if you don’t understand pure logical mechanics, so I’ll just end this rn

1. if it is NM and he does actually decide to play, then he is entertaining to watch and idc
2. what associatives would you even get out of it - everyone could just throw a "he was being lynchbaity" and there is no dialogue or interactions from YM to prove otherwise
2.a) the only thing you'll get out of associatives will be me, and at this stage idc what YM flips because i don't even have a read on him
3. imo vigs, unless they are super good scum hunters, are a detriment to town and should just take safe shots like YM

[Enigma]

i agree

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i think there is someone else i want to vote for now though, someone join me on this pls
VOTE: Baezu

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Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

this is bad
no more tr for you

[Enigma]

offerz help i dont tr skitter either

[Enigma]

I’m trusting skitter because she defended me

I have soft spots for people that rub my back

Let me know when you’re online skitter and let’s game solve

people that defend you are more likely to know your alignment so your soft spot is poorly placed if you are town

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sorry prododging

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i think there is someone else i want to vote for now though, someone join me on this pls
VOTE: Baezu

UNVOTE:

Sell me

@Enigma

sorry i did see that i just havent had time these past few days to respond

i found 381 curious. it felt forced and shallow to me. i.e. i feel that as town, you want to be finding reasons to tr people, and using those as associatives to read other players. as town, you want to have reasoning for your townreads - baezu did not, suggesting tmi.

her chain of thought between insomnia and myself is weird. like sring/voting insomnia, then suddenly agreeing with insomnia and voting me whilst also in the meantime not having changed her read on insomnia. like, i honestly would not think that insomnia vs me would be svs from an outside perspective - someone else can comment, but hey... (ftr, i actually tr insomnia and think hes just bad)

a few other things from reading her iso. her reads are jumping all over the place without any explanation
e.g.
maria being read as scum then town suddenly
her thinking there is one scum in volxen/invs/trix but not furthering this, despite her volxen and trix town town town just a few posts back

alop, i sr skitter and i see the interactions between skitter and baezu as awkward and potentially partners

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i just noticed volxen has noticed some of the same things ... i didnt read that until after i posted sorry

rn im feeling lynching between skitter, baezu and maybe rooster

likely other comments incoming as i catch up

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I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy

Sorry but that family emergency business screwed up the wagon on Insomnia which would have got good reads. I am not comfortable voting someone who has RL issues D1.

also, i wanted to mention:
see the ban announcements thread about this "family emergency business"

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maria's catchup makes me want to think she is town, but also leaves me head scratching because we have completely different reads. her stance on YM is probably why though

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I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.

Yeah let's do this.

VOTE: Skitter

this for some reason feels like a bus

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hi performer and NM. is NM not playing this game tho?
btw nice guess ofrhz on the hydra

enig = the scumread on this slot is largely since his stalling posts as they reminded me of his scum game where he got to the end of ofrhz's hosted game. He's good at messing with people's associatives for the scum team

tbh, i would argue nai. ive been busy. otherwise i agree quite a lot with the read list in that post.

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incoming post on skitter

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(ftr, i actually tr insomnia and think hes just bad)

I hope you’ll still be alive to see how I carry this sorry lobby OwO

i thought you were prododging?

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How does lynching lurkers = bad at the game

I bet you the first two people that you’ll lynch will be town

Wanna bet?

ive never said im good, im just saying youre bad

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offerz help i dont tr skitter either

do tell

hi skitter, i hope you're not scum

anyways
VOTE: skitter

im too lazy to make a proper case atm but here are some things:
1. skitter should be able to read me better, and town!skitter would put more effort in trying to sort me but isnt doing so
2. her posting is rather inoffensive and not probing, like shes just around but not really looking for a scum team (or trying to find my buddies, if she thinks im scum)
3. awkward interactions with people i also sr like rooster/baezu
4. other stuff but im lazy

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rn im feeling lynching between skitter, baezu and maybe rooster

i kinda want to add gl to the scum pool, but cant read him due to not here

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ughh sorry skitter im not convinced you are town

btw, could be convinced on a baezu wagon but thats about it

enigma - i feel like most of his reasons for voting me aren't entirely fair or accurate; i've been sorting him by pointing out the things that i don't like in his play, and even voted him over them; i also think it's a little bit unreasonable to ding me at this stage for not trying to find a scumteam when we don't have any flips yet; i don't even believe in day1 pre-flip associatves and try not to scumhunt that way day1

what's your current read on me now that you've been trying to sort me. any questions for me so you can sort me better?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Baezu

I lied I want this more

I don’t think a wall post readslist from skitter makes her townier

If anything, the fact that she’s at l-2 and not actively arguing with her townreads on her wagon to dismantle it is a sign that she’s not town. Skitter gets very annoyed if she gets mislynched as town and that’s not the reaction I’m seeing here

agree this was pretty much the reaction i was expecting too.
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idk if i particularly have it in me rn to fight this

ive seen this tone before, and thats when we wagoned her when she was scum and then it ended up dissipating and then she got her scummie afterwards ...

Spoiler: open 732

i don't really have it in me rn to talk you lot out of this

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posting for the sake of posting ... nothing to add

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in case we have the hammer and the thread is locked
baezu should be looked at carefully tomorrow, i agree with a lot of what has been said about her by other posters

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I would like to voice my displeasure at the NK

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hi everyone

the speed of the baezu wagon is concerning, though probably better to look when we have a flip

baezu stands out to me because she pretty much ignored skitter all of d1 until it was obvious skitter was the lynch. theres also that vca thing that was mentioned at the end of d1.

from skitter's angle, skitter interacts with baezu as if trying to scumhunt and asks questions - but never really follows up on it, nor scumreads baezu when there was plenty of questionable behaviour from baezu d1

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happy scum day vizzy

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baezu, what are your thoughts of the people currently voting you?

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I’m trusting skitter because she defended me

I have soft spots for people that rub my back

Let me know when you’re online skitter and let’s game solve

this doesnt feel partnery

yeh but its so blatantly not partnery that i worry

[Enigma]

prododge will catchup later tonight

[Enigma]

I might get nked as a result of my future game solving. It’s all been shits and giggles, everything from this point is going to be serious insomnia. My opinion on everyone will come in 15-16 hours, be patient.

coming from the person who:
1. refused to acknowledge scum!skitter d1
2. called my reads bad, when i had called skitter, rooster and baezu as the scum team, the same group you happen to be sheeping now

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Because I can simultaneously scumread 2 players but not think they're both scum?

Skitter's later actions made her a better lynch, but I do believe that wagon would not have happened without me making it appear to be a legit option.

As I remember nobody was throwing heat on Skitter till I did. If she was my scumbuddy I would have left it like that.

yeh im not sure about this
imo the wagon push came from ofrhz and myself, and it seems like you are trying hard to get town cred from the skitter lynch
like i really dont see these posts in your iso, if you are referring to 517-519 that is a pretty poor excuse for throwing heat on skitter

I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.

feels tmi

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im fairly happy to tr
tris, elbrin, volxen atm

not sure who i prefer between rooster or baezu, both i want to see lynched

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VOTE: baezu

[Enigma]

I think Enigma is scum.

add the gl slot back to the lynch pool

[Enigma]

Baezu you should claim

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umm if you arent fucking around
that'll be the 2nd time you've vigged me as town you terrible player

[Enigma]

yeh we can be terrible in separate games then
like fuck off out of my games in the future

[Enigma]

yeh we can be terrible in separate games then
like fuck off out of my games in the future

Also I'm not sure I've day killed you ever before this game.
What game otherwise I'll take it as false meta and confirm as scum.

xyzzy game, where you shot 3 town and the scum strategy was pretty much ohh lets have town!vedith just win the game for us because hes bad at mafia

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did i even say you day killed me before, l2read

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nice waiting for a claim

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no i would in most cases lynch the l-1 person anyways, but its useful to get any further info in that case anyways
and if its an exceptionally powerful pr like a cop with a good result then ....

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Me and Invisibility were volxen's neighbors. Last night, after the deadline, he claimed to us telling us that he was redirecting roster onto Yes Mafia. If roster was mafia, then Yes Mafia would have been the kill. On Night 1, he redirected Baezu onto roster which means the mafia probably know what roster's role is now, assuming Baezu used her rolecop shot then.

From POE, I think mafia is one of {Invisibility, Yes Mafia, Enigma, MariaR}

I'm gonna take a look at each of them and report back.

hi everyone

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Me and Invisibility were volxen's neighbors. Last night, after the deadline, he claimed to us telling us that he was redirecting roster onto Yes Mafia. If roster was mafia, then Yes Mafia would have been the kill. On Night 1, he redirected Baezu onto roster which means the mafia probably know what roster's role is now, assuming Baezu used her rolecop shot then.

From POE, I think mafia is one of {Invisibility, Yes Mafia, Enigma, MariaR}

I'm gonna take a look at each of them and report back.

nice

tris,
1. did volxen claim 2 shot?
2. is there anything of interest re vizzy in the pt?

[Enigma]

Perhaps Bae rolecopped Volxex?

Town slip because bae was redirected n1?

[Enigma]

@ vizzy/tris

did volxen claim 2-shot or just redirector in pt

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ok a few things stand out

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Vote Count 1.5

Yes Mafia (5)

- volxen, Baezu, tris, insomnia, Invisibility

Invisibility (2)

- MariaR, ofrhz

tris (2)

- skitter30, Yes Mafia

Elbirn (1)

- GuiltyLion

insomnia (1)

- rosterfoster

Not Voting (2)

- Enigma, Elbirn

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?

i hope that this is just an eerie coincidence

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the fact that volxen claimed two shot in the pt, from tris/vizzy pov would reduce the threat of volxen as hes effectively a vt today onwards. add to the fact that volxen was not actively sring either tris/vizzy. but then the nk on volxen is surprising, as if it were targeting him for being a pr ...
one explanation could be the last scum pr picked up volxen as a tpr? this is something to rethink post-mass claim.

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I would have paranoia that he was no limited shot if scum tbh, so I can see scum shooting 2-shot.

yah thats a consideration too
ima be lazy and wait for the mass claim and see if we can solve this mechanically

[Enigma]

If Marias not lying then there is a good chance we can poe win this with the JK. I’ll think about this later to see the strats

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so ive been scum in this scenario before (see ofrhz's open) where there is a JK and a protective, and one scum left

so ive thought this out before - scum can choose to either:
1. try to pick off the claimed prs
2. choose to no kill and throw shade on the claimed prs
thus we need to remember the above when thinking about strats

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(worst case mislynch) scenario where scum kills, assuming tprs are true (in which case scum nk them)

today:
8 town vs 1 scum
8 in poe pool, 1 conf town

(mis)lynch 1:
7 town vs 1 scum
7 in poe pool, 1 conf town

scum night kill (doc):
6 town vs 1 scum
5 in poe pool, 2 conf town

(mis)lynch 2:
5 town vs 1 scum
4 in poe pool, 2 conf town

scum night kill (jk):
4 town vs 1 scum
2 in poe pool, 3 conf town

(mis)lynch 3:
3 town vs 1 scum
1 in poe pool, 3 conf town

scum night kill:
2 town vs 1 scum
1 in poe pool, 2 conf town

LYLO - town win

mechanically, we win this game

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next post - thoughts when scum doesnt kill
another post - if tprs are lying

[Enigma]

I’ll go
VT

Elbrin next , then Vedith ?
Actually which ever is online first idc

[Enigma]

I already claimed.
Shows that no one cares about me :<

[Enigma]

claims

enigma: vt
vizzy: vt
vedith: vt
maria: doc (ofrhz n1, tris n2)
insomnia: jk (maria n1, rooster n2)

remaining: elbrin, tris, ym, rooster

elbrin next

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It's 1 scum left (prob a strongman if the jk/doctor are real)

btw this might be a thing, but probably n-shot if thats the case
or something that is a rb, or something else like that for balance

so consider rooster a soft-clear

[Enigma]

im a vt
someone else decide who goes next

arent u a neighbour?

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(mis)lynch 2:
5 town vs 1 scum
4 in poe pool, 2 conf town

scum night kill (jk):
4 town vs 1 scum
2 in poe pool, 3 conf town

Why do we gain a conf town here? By my calculations, this ends with lylo with 1 conf town who will have a 50-50 chance. That's of course assuming the mafia makes it there.

jk announces who they are blocking

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@mod curious question - was this setup reviewed, and if so by who?

Reviewed By: BulletNLynchproof, Lycanfire

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This is where I'm at in terms of the setup speculation. I'm not as great as Jingle at this but this is what I've got so far below:

Setup A

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

Setup B

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman
vs
town doc, jk, 3 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

If this world exists, then there will be some chaotic wifom happening if we mislynch.

Setup C

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a possible world, considering the mod created a hybrid role of the neighbor having redirect ability (more than 1 ability). So a hybrid scum is possible too.

Setup D

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman
vs
jk, 3 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a world where mari fake claimed doc so there is no doc, and invis messed up his claim of vt but is actually town neighbor .
pedit: tris confirmed volx+invis+tris were neighbors from the start

i wouldnt consider just strongman, but also other scum prs (e.g. rb)

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maria is not the lynch target today

if shes telling the truth, scum need to kill her as a priority
if we look at the results of night actions and she is still alive, we can sort her later

[Enigma]

tris and rooster claim pls?

[Enigma]

next post - thoughts when scum doesnt kill
another post - if tprs are lying

from scum pov, they need to eliminate the tpr to win (from my aforementioned post) because otherwise it is impossible mechanically

if we end up with a no kill the next day, this means one of two things:
1. jk block targeted scum; or
2. scum is not killing to throw doubt onto the town claims

what this means is that we should (because we have the numbers) assume that the town claims are true until like its 5p and then we need to seriously think about the validity of the claims
following this, we need to be strategic in who is targeted for the jailkeep for the next few nights - because if there is a no kill tonight (arising out of either scenario), the jk target should be lynched

so i think we should have some sort of discussion on who is the jk target - insomnia mentioned vedith, what do other people think?

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ehh thats a hammer
cya all tomorrow then

[Enigma]

ehhhhh
im not a fan of that nk, nor vedith claiming confirmed town

hrrm

[Enigma]

scum cant win by continuously letting the doc/jk live, and just killing your jailed targets - because you'll continue to just clear more town with each night phase

[Enigma]

i actually am thinking there are too many variables and whatiffs to just play this out based on the claims/speculative night actions, and would prefer to just return to regular good old scumhunting

[Enigma]

vla till friday sorry

[Enigma]

hi im back

[Enigma]

Maybe Enigma is scum if he's claiming I'm not confirmed here.

Scum is in Maria/Insomnia/Enigma

youre not confirmed tho, something isnt making sense with this night action logic and that suggests some sort of scum pr/rb
thats an awkward scum pool

[Enigma]

You do realise I'm dead regardless and she can use that as an excuse to trick you. She needed me alive for only 1 night. She's a smart player and knows she can kill me and then say "I can't heal 2 nights in a row". It's true. So I'll die regardless and you won't know her alignment only if you lynch her. Which I don't think you will.

this game is pretty normal imo, and most docs in such a setup can heal the same target on consecutive nights

[Enigma]

Enigma is always town too.

Disagree. I'd like to hear why you think he's town .

The voting of skit+bae , the stalling like going v/la , poe, and the gamesolving of everyone else on d4 so far , points me to enig.
In the game I played with him, reviewing posts 2302 to 3280 on pg 1 (he was scum with bujaber) , this and that game are comparable combined to the above points.

VOTE: Enigma

1. how is going v/la scummy, ive been travelling this past week + i dont use rl as an excuse for a game
2. i must be pretty sadistic to myself if i decide to bus both my partners d1 d2. iirc i was one of the first to call out skitter and baezu.
3. i havent been here for most of d4, so thats a moot point

[Enigma]

I am away the next few days pls do not fast lynch this again before we have had all the discussions

[Enigma]

Gg
Like town is fucking retarded what about don’t fast hammer this day
Can you not see the similarities between the role name of insomnia and Baezu

[Enigma]

And notice that the balance is all off

[Enigma]

So many assumptions about the validity of claims
I can’t properly post and think this out till thu suppose too late anyways

[Enigma]

No the assumption that people are giving the correct results from their claims
E.g. insomnia jailing vedith

[Enigma]

If I was scum I would just shut up and let you all fail with your terrible speed lynching
There is something amiss with with all the claims and you are all bumpkins for speed lynching and not discussing this through

[Enigma]

ohh awesome, yay

game seemed a bit skewed with the tprs, and was an uphill battle for tris having bussed your team mates so early
but nice game all, sorry i got a bit paranoid late game - i was convinced that with the current claims the game could not be balanced so someone was lying whoopsies

[Enigma]

i thought the fake claim elbrin was good
i think you were uniquely placed with the role, timing and setup for the fake claim and it worked out

ya well done scum team, it was a bit of an uphill battle but i think town just had the edge there plus did well with the night actions