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Why is Baezu a good vote at the moment? What made it better than a different RVS?In post 38, GuiltyLion wrote:@insomnia what's inherently wrong with sheeping onto a scumread? personally I think Baezu is a good vote at this moment. You shouldn't need everyone to have their own original unique reason for voting somebodyShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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So you think it’s scummy to not place a vote on the people who had already posted?In post 40, GuiltyLion wrote:several people had already posted, you didn't engage with any of them or any of the page 1 content, instead voting somebody who hadn't gotten to the thread yet with an explanation that pinged me as awkwardShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Please explain what “engaging” with them would look like to youShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Got it. I haven’t been on this site in awhile and back when I used to play players would crack random jokes during rvs- I see that times have changed and I’m trying to learn the new meta. I absolutely agree with you that random jokes don’t help drive the game forward, but considering it’s page 2 I figured, why not?In post 50, GuiltyLion wrote:
yes, vaguely. it's play that doesn't generate any information. why aren't you trying to generate information? There were lots of posts you could have done something with, 9, 11, 12, 16. those are all potential starting points for engagement (or a vote) and moving out of RVS. the fact that you chose to vote elsewhereIn post 45, Baezu wrote:
So you think it’s scummy to not place a vote on the people who had already posted?In post 40, GuiltyLion wrote:several people had already posted, you didn't engage with any of them or any of the page 1 content, instead voting somebody who hadn't gotten to the thread yetwith an explanation that pinged me as awkwardand the way that you justified it(you also left my bolded here out of your question) looks page 1 scummy to me, yes.
And fwiw I was never good at getting out of RVS
Speaking of Maria, who else hasn’t made a post yet?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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GL what do you think of Elbirn’s 18ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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How do you feel he’s changed gears?In post 74, tris wrote:
This post is weird. VOTE: insomnia You seem to have completely changed gears here, and I don't understand why.In post 71, insomnia wrote:I have no time for banter, call me when we get over useless stuff.
Push lurkers.ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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I know you’re frustrated insomnia but please don’t
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Maria- GL is town, moving onIn post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:
well at this point he has explicitly stated that he did:In post 117, Elbirn wrote:Or why you think that he "saw what you did".
and since his post 30 is consistent with this explanation, I don't see a reason to disbelieve that.In post 46, rosterfoster wrote:
Ya. I thought the same when I read it so I was happy when you had the same reasonsIn post 40, GuiltyLion wrote:several people had already posted, you didn't engage with any of them or any of the page 1 content, instead voting somebody who hadn't gotten to the thread yet with an explanation that pinged me as awkward
I would say it's far more important to argue for scumreads than townreads right now. If you think rooster's scum because you think he's tonally awkward, the responsibility is on you to vote him and make your case to everyone else. I'm not interested in giving reasons for my townread, I expect you will argue with them and the result will be to drag this game into a noisy disagreement that's of no real value. further, he has ~75% odds of being town in the objective sense, so to calling him scum is the claim that's less likely to be true by default and the one that requires justification.In post 117, Elbirn wrote:Why are you townreading him exactly?
unless/until rooster's at risk of lynch, my focus is on finding scum, not defending town.
Also, are you planning on supporting any of your reads?
In other news- I’d like to hear more from the people who have made less than 5 posts please.ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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This seems like TvT, tbh
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I absolutely agree with thisIn post 178, Elbirn wrote:In post 167, Enigma wrote:guys what happened to rvs and where did the walls come from
Respectfully, you couldn't read 7 pages in the 3 hours between these posts?In post 168, Enigma wrote:sorry was going to read tonight but ran out of time, ill catch up over the next few days
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Honestly, invisibility did that too.
I’m not really sure why there is so much lurking...ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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I was really just trying to engage a lurker- that was itShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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You don’t need to bugger off, it’s pretty clear you’re town and you are trying to generate activity and unify town. I appreciate having strong players like that in my game! It’s great for town!ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Elbirn- are you and I the only ones writing more than three words in our posts? What’s going on here town?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Can you explain why you voted for volxen?
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I do agree with the first part but I haven’t played with him before. A lot of players are just awkward so it’s not necessarily AI. I’m not willing to vote invisibility today but if his posts remain disparate and unexplained then he’s really no help to town either wayIn post 229, ofrhz wrote:
I think he has ignored a lot of the main conversation going on and instead chose to vote for lurkers, who are always easy pushes to make. Also kind of gutreading him as awkwardIn post 226, tris wrote:@ofrhz, why do you scumread Invisible?
Another reason why I originally voted him was also bc he said he thought could've been 1 scum in {Elbirn, GL} and then later chose to vote Enigma while not giving a read on either Elbirn or GL, though he later said he was tr'ing both so I'm not sure on this point anymore.ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Which questions do you have?In post 246, Elbirn wrote:Actually that's not even entirely true
I keep asking questions that go unanswered and then I'm like "I guess I'll just wait then"
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Hi all! Family day for me today but I will scrub thread tonight, answer all questions and give an updated reads list!ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Oooo really not liking this post.In post 295, insomnia wrote:YM you have (expired on 2019-04-07 01:02:59) to claim
Or I’m giving you the almighty hammer
1) you’re already voting him
2) you can’t hammer because he’s at L-2.
So basically you’re just trying to out a role claim?!
Not cool, my esteemed friend
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Why do you think he might be scum?In post 323, ofrhz wrote:Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scumShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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What about YM makes you think they’re scum, though?In post 365, insomnia wrote:I still want to lynch YM thoughShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Was this the post that irritated you?
The fact that he made a scum pool out of four random people without any explanation?In post 185, Yes Mafia wrote:I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittlesShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Elbirn- town town town
Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)
Guilty lion- townIn post 329, Enigma wrote:
nahhh im not, sorryIn post 323, ofrhz wrote:Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum
yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game
insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie
Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...
Invisibility- again, it feels like I’m missing something...nothing she does seems particularly townie to me
Maria is one that I can usually tell right away when she’s town and I’m not getting that vibe this game...
Ofthz is town
I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy
Skitter - townIn post 251, rosterfoster wrote:
Eh. I kind of wished that early wagon on you had stayed, but whatever. Imma just pretend the whole family emergency business didn't happen.In post 220, insomnia wrote:It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
[vote[Insomnia[/vote]
Tris- town
Volxen- town
YM - I initially put my vote on them to get some response and get them talking then the wagon formed and it felt like it might be heading towards a mislynch. They haven’t provided much content but they’re null to me at this point
;tl/dr
In no particular order
Town- {volxen, tris, skitter, ofrhz, Elbirn, GL}
Null- {invis, YM}
Scum - {enigma, Maria, roster}
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It’s a “I have to think about this more and get more info” readIn post 383, ofrhz wrote:
Is this a tr or an srIn post 381, Baezu wrote:Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Based on meta...I think his play here is town...I know that meta reads don’t really count for much so I’m definitely keeping my eye on that slot for more info as wellIn post 386, ofrhz wrote:Baezu why do you tr volxen?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Because of post 387?
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This post specifically reminds me of his posts in newbie 1888 and 1889 where he pushes people, thinks out scenarios and weighs in. In his scum games he comes across as more defensive and is less forthcoming with information and analysis and tends to ask hollow questionsIn post 217, volxen wrote:
Even if you don’t agree with his push here, why do you think it was made in “bad faith”? He wasn’t strictly talking about himself and Roster as a scumteam, he was asking Elbirn essentially why he thinks a combination of either scum!GL and town!Roster or scum!Roster and town!GL is likely. If GL is town that means he is sincere in his townread of Roster, so it makes sense for him to ask Elbirn why he thinks at least one of {GL, Roster} is scum, does it not? And how Elbirn responds to those questions will help GL to read his slot as well. He’s not suggesting that Elbirn shouldn’t have individual scumreads.In post 154, ofrhz wrote:
A few of GL’s pushes come off as a bit reachy so far. This quote is good exampleIn post 137, GuiltyLion wrote: also unpack this for me: what do you think the interactions are between rooster and I, S-T or S-S?
like
- do you think we're scum together and we decided to open with him sheeping me, then us mutually agreeing it was a good vote? why is that likely, especially considering how unlikely it is a priori that we're both scum?
- do you think he's scum sheeping misguided town!me?
- do you think I'm scum and he's the misguided town? in which case your reasons for scumreading him were wrong to begin with?
I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you.
At this point in the game, it’s fairly common for people to focus on coming up with independent scumreads (and for these scumreads to change later) and not really think about partners or the scumteam together. With this in mind, I don't see why the two bolded lines can't make sense?
This push seems reasonable on a superficial level but doesn't come off as arguing in good faith
VOTE: GuiltyLion
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I agree that YM hasn’t done much and has scummy posts, but I don’t like how fast the wagon built on him...In post 452, insomnia wrote:L-4 ym
I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?In post 279, light_ganski wrote:Vote Count 1.5
Yes Mafia (5)- volxen, Baezu, tris, insomnia, Invisibility
Invisibility (2)- MariaR, ofrhz
tris (2)- skitter30, Yes Mafia
Elbirn (1)- GuiltyLion
insomnia (1)- rosterfoster
Not Voting (2)- Enigma, Elbirn
As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
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I honestly think vizxy is scum of those three, his posts have note realty been helping town- not sure if this is his style but I’d love to see some actual content from that slotIn post 477, skitter30 wrote:
...In post 475, tris wrote:
She's voting for Enigma.In post 473, skitter30 wrote:
if you think it's a scum-driven wagon why are you voting there ...?In post 456, Baezu wrote:I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?
i could have sworn she was voting for yes mafia
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Hm why are volxen and Maria pinging as scummy to you?In post 530, ofrhz wrote:
From town to scum:In post 453, Baezu wrote:Ofrhz- do you have a reads list?
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So has your opinion of him changed?In post 549, ofrhz wrote:Are we really going to get bogged down in semantics
Yes mafia was popping in to give little content and making questionable votes - ie yes you could call that active lurking
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In post 561, Baezu wrote:
Hm why are volxen and Maria pinging as scummy to you?In post 530, ofrhz wrote:
From town to scum:In post 453, Baezu wrote:Ofrhz- do you have a reads list?
Tris, Elbirn, insomnia
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In post 561, Baezu wrote:
Hm why are volxen and Maria pinging as scummy to you?In post 530, ofrhz wrote:
From town to scum:In post 453, Baezu wrote:Ofrhz- do you have a reads list?
Tris, Elbirn, insomnia
Enigma, GL, roster
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Vizzy, skitter, yes, baezu
Yes I fully admit I’ve been flip flopping..I’m having a hard time telling who the scum are. Every slot has said scummy things and towny things...I think I need to witness more interactions and get more informationIn post 569, volxen wrote:I'm fairly certain that all four of {GuiltyLion, Elbirn, Ofrhz, and Tris} are town.
You quoted the vote count here and said that at least one of {Volxen, Tris, Invisibility} has to be scum, so I assume you are saying this primarily because all three of us were voting for Yes_Mafia. Insomnia was also voting for Yes_Mafia here, so why was he excluded from your "at least one of these players has to be scum" list? I'm especially curious about this because you previously listed Tris and I as townreads, and yet you excluded Insomnia from this list:In post 456, Baezu wrote:
I agree that YM hasn’t done much and has scummy posts, but I don’t like how fast the wagon built on him...In post 452, insomnia wrote:L-4 ym
I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?In post 279, light_ganski wrote:Vote Count 1.5
Yes Mafia (5)- volxen, Baezu, tris, insomnia, Invisibility
Invisibility (2)- MariaR, ofrhz
tris (2)- skitter30, Yes Mafia
Elbirn (1)- GuiltyLion
insomnia (1)- rosterfoster
Not Voting (2)- Enigma, Elbirn
As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
You have(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)until the deadline.
Also, in that above post you listed Maria as a scumread, and then you went on to agree with Yes Mafia that she should be the #1 protective target:In post 381, Baezu wrote:Elbirn- town town town
Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)
Guilty lion- townIn post 329, Enigma wrote:
nahhh im not, sorryIn post 323, ofrhz wrote:Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum
yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game
insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie
Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...
Invisibility- again, it feels like I’m missing something...nothing she does seems particularly townie to me
Maria is one that I can usually tell right away when she’s town and I’m not getting that vibe this game...
Ofthz is town
I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy
Skitter - townIn post 251, rosterfoster wrote:
Eh. I kind of wished that early wagon on you had stayed, but whatever. Imma just pretend the whole family emergency business didn't happen.In post 220, insomnia wrote:It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
[vote[Insomnia[/vote]
Tris- town
Volxen- town
YM - I initially put my vote on them to get some response and get them talking then the wagon formed and it felt like it might be heading towards a mislynch. They haven’t provided much content but they’re null to me at this point
;tl/dr
In no particular order
Town- {, skitter, ofrhz, Elbirn, GL}volxen, tris
Null- {invis, YM}
Scum - {enigma,roster}Maria,
VOTE: enigma
Have you reversed your previous scumread of Maria? If not, then why do you think she should be protected?In post 513, Baezu wrote:
I agreeIn post 505, Yes Mafia wrote:Maria needs to be protective target #1ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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I felt the wagon on YM gained momentum way too fast which generally indicates that it is scum driven...this is what made me think that YM was probably town. The reason I left insomnia out of the analysis is because at the time of the analysis I had him as a townread.In post 600, volxen wrote:
Baezu I still need you to explain why you thought it was reasonable to conclude that at least one of {Volxen, Invisbility, Tris} "has" to be scum based on the Yes_Mafia wagon alone. If you are town you don't know Yes_Mafia's alignment. If Yes_Mafia is scum, it's more likely that his wagon was all-town due to his scumbuddies not wanting to put him under that kind of pressure so early on. If he is town it's more likely his wagon had scum on it since he got up to L-1. Since town!you wouldn't know Yes_Mafia's alignment, I think it's a bit presumptuous to declare that at least one of us three "has" to be scum just because we all voted for him. Do you disagree?In post 596, Baezu wrote:In post 561, Baezu wrote:
Hm why are volxen and Maria pinging as scummy to you?In post 530, ofrhz wrote:
From town to scum:In post 453, Baezu wrote:Ofrhz- do you have a reads list?
Tris, Elbirn, insomnia
Enigma, GL, roster
volxen, Maria
Vizzy, skitter, yes, baezu
Yes I fully admit I’ve been flip flopping..I’m having a hard time telling who the scum are. Every slot has said scummy things and towny things...I think I need to witness more interactions and get more informationIn post 569, volxen wrote:I'm fairly certain that all four of {GuiltyLion, Elbirn, Ofrhz, and Tris} are town.
You quoted the vote count here and said that at least one of {Volxen, Tris, Invisibility} has to be scum, so I assume you are saying this primarily because all three of us were voting for Yes_Mafia. Insomnia was also voting for Yes_Mafia here, so why was he excluded from your "at least one of these players has to be scum" list? I'm especially curious about this because you previously listed Tris and I as townreads, and yet you excluded Insomnia from this list:In post 456, Baezu wrote:
I agree that YM hasn’t done much and has scummy posts, but I don’t like how fast the wagon built on him...In post 452, insomnia wrote:L-4 ym
I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?In post 279, light_ganski wrote:Vote Count 1.5
Yes Mafia (5)- volxen, Baezu, tris, insomnia, Invisibility
Invisibility (2)- MariaR, ofrhz
tris (2)- skitter30, Yes Mafia
Elbirn (1)- GuiltyLion
insomnia (1)- rosterfoster
Not Voting (2)- Enigma, Elbirn
As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
You have(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)until the deadline.
Also, in that above post you listed Maria as a scumread, and then you went on to agree with Yes Mafia that she should be the #1 protective target:In post 381, Baezu wrote:Elbirn- town town town
Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)
Guilty lion- townIn post 329, Enigma wrote:
nahhh im not, sorryIn post 323, ofrhz wrote:Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum
yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game
insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie
Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...
Invisibility- again, it feels like I’m missing something...nothing she does seems particularly townie to me
Maria is one that I can usually tell right away when she’s town and I’m not getting that vibe this game...
Ofthz is town
I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy
Skitter - townIn post 251, rosterfoster wrote:
Eh. I kind of wished that early wagon on you had stayed, but whatever. Imma just pretend the whole family emergency business didn't happen.In post 220, insomnia wrote:It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
[vote[Insomnia[/vote]
Tris- town
Volxen- town
YM - I initially put my vote on them to get some response and get them talking then the wagon formed and it felt like it might be heading towards a mislynch. They haven’t provided much content but they’re null to me at this point
;tl/dr
In no particular order
Town- {, skitter, ofrhz, Elbirn, GL}volxen, tris
Null- {invis, YM}
Scum - {enigma,roster}Maria,
VOTE: enigma
Have you reversed your previous scumread of Maria? If not, then why do you think she should be protected?In post 513, Baezu wrote:
I agreeIn post 505, Yes Mafia wrote:Maria needs to be protective target #1
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This comes across as really towny to meIn post 605, Enigma wrote:ughh sorry skitter im not convinced you are town
btw, could be convinced on a baezu wagon but thats about it
what's your current read on me now that you've been trying to sort me.In post 599, skitter30 wrote:enigma - i feel like most of his reasons for voting me aren't entirely fair or accurate; i've been sorting him by pointing out the things that i don't like in his play, and even voted him over them; i also think it's a little bit unreasonable to ding me at this stage for not trying to find a scumteam when we don't have any flips yet; i don't even believe in day1 pre-flip associatves and try not to scumhunt that way day1any questions for me so you can sort me better?
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I’ve been agreeing with most people’s take that skitter has been seeming scummier and scummier, especially the post about her not wanting to fight- for some reason this came across as genuine scum who had given up...I don’t know her playstyle but from what I’ve heard she’s apparently a very formidable player as scum so I wouldn’t think she’d make these comments as scum based on that
I’ve recently had a lot of mislynches in games that I’ve been in so I hesitate to hammer, and anyway intent has already been stated. I would like for skitter to show up to see what she says but honestly, regardless if she’s town or scum the flip will give us more informationShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Invis, thank you for doing your read through!
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Woohoo! Good lynch guys!ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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How is this scum indicative?In post 689, Elbirn wrote:
VOTE: BaezuIn post 685, Baezu wrote:Woohoo! Good lynch guys!
Cheerleading the scum lynch
Associatives with skitter
Let's skip to day 3 famShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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In post 687, tris wrote:Not surprised by either of those flips.
VOTE: Baezu You mentioned earlier that your reads have been flip-floping. Could you break down why? For example, why did your read on Maria change?
Originally the fact that she gave a reads list without support pinged scummy. From what I’ve seen from her she usually gives explanation for her reads. But once the game got going she started playing like I expect from townIn post 128, MariaR wrote:
This statement is so ironic that I laughed a little thank you. Imson posting is obv town, the wagon on him was trash. ofthz I had a mindmeld with. Not explaining the rooster read for reasons. Invis early posts are really bad along with his vote on Imson.In post 125, Baezu wrote:Maria- GL is town, moving on
Also, are you planning on supporting any of your reads?
Why I voted Guilty? Well where's the fun in explaining that one so soon
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I told you why I didn’t vote for her- I wasn’t sure about her slot! I’d recently been burned by voting for someone IIn post 691, Elbirn wrote:
Because its phony and fake. 48 hours later and you're excited about the scum lynch? That you didn't vote for?In post 690, Baezu wrote:
How is this scum indicative?In post 689, Elbirn wrote: VOTE: Baezu
Cheerleading the scum lynch
Associatives with skitter
Let's skip to day 3 fam
It's just the latest of your tonally awkward posts
Voted for who ended up being mislynched and I didn’t want to happen again. So, yes I was happy that we ended up being right. And the reason I didn’t ask about the associatives because that’s actually a valid reason to scum read someone. Can you show me these associative pleaseShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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Tris and Elgrin are town. Insomnia is seeming more and more scummy to me tbh, especially reading the quotes that invis is putting up...yes mafia im still not sure about and volxen I’m thinking is town as wellIn post 716, Enigma wrote:baezu, what are your thoughts of the people currently voting you?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
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Who is this question directed towards?In post 748, Invisibility wrote:and what's your read on me?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
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Unfortunately I’m in this same boat tooIn post 765, insomnia wrote:A lot of this is dependent on Maria being town and ym being town as well which are the scummiest players here and I'm quite biased
but this would be the logical read. although i'm quite disappointed that i have to form reads based on people that aren't here (ym) and I have to clear them as town for the purpose of scum hunting in the active pool, which i find annoying as hell and counter intuitive. I have to force myself to deal with the active lot while ignoring the lurkers. this isn't how the game should be played. Everyone should be active or at least contribute somehow. guess i can't do anything about it though. sad.ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
“Baezu tier: Baezu” (Oooo I get my own tier!!!) -Vorkuta
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Who are you locking as scum?In post 849, insomnia wrote:I've never locked someone as scum but I guess it's a first time for everything.ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
“Baezu tier: Baezu” (Oooo I get my own tier!!!) -Vorkuta
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Yay! Vedith is town!!! \o/In post 869, Vedith wrote:Oh a game with a scum D1 lynch \o/ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
“Baezu tier: Baezu” (Oooo I get my own tier!!!) -Vorkuta
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