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Post Post #32 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:49 pm

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Henlo peeps meh name is Insomnia

VOTE: rosterfoster

His vote is ew
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Post Post #36 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:52 am

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“The Lion is onto something”

Sheeping much?
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Post Post #41 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:35 am

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In post 38, GuiltyLion wrote:@insomnia what's inherently wrong with sheeping onto a scumread? personally I think Baezu is a good vote at this moment. You shouldn't need everyone to have their own original unique reason for voting somebody
your vote is based on guts right now.

He has one post (Baezu)

Roster sheeped you on someone with 1 post.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:38 am

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Stacking votes in rvs on someone without posts is scummy tho

Plus, he mentioned “The Lion is onto something” not “I agree with GL’s read”, huge difference.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:44 am

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First statement implies - another player is scum reading someone for something, so i’ll hop on as well

Second statement implies - I have a reason for voting Baesu myself, so I’ll hop on

How is that not a huge difference? He’s stacking in rvs and advocating a potential mislynch without any reasons for voting.

I just didn’t like the sheep, you can wagon Baesu if you want
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Post Post #52 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:48 am

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Because you haven’t said it ;)
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Post Post #55 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:54 am

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It’s bad, just like everyone’s vote

Not that I’m against it, tomorrow I can push my roster agenda when Baezu flips town OwO
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Post Post #56 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:55 am

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Inno until proven guilty, there’s nothing relevant for me to join / support this wagon
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Post Post #57 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:57 am

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GL’s accusation is a newb!scum tell and it doesn’t work on people with account from 2013
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Post Post #62 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:05 am

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And that’s why I don’t like the vote. What’s the problem? Agree to disagree.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:07 am

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RVS = random voting stage ???

Ummm yeah? This is why I don’t scum hunt in RVS. This is why I vote people who stack up in rvs, especially without stating a reason for it
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Post Post #68 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:09 am

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Why is it hard to understand, especially in rvs where nothing happens?

If I don’t think the case on someone is good, why would I support their vote?

It’s just common sense
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Post Post #71 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:12 am

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I have no time for banter, call me when we get over useless stuff.

Push lurkers.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 am

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Tris, not related to anything you’ve done in the game but

Are you an alt?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:21 am

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Oh hahahah hell nah, I’m not getting mislynched day one

I’ve never been mislynched day one, not looking to start this
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Post Post #77 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:22 am

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VOTE: MariaR

Me likey pushing lurkers
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Post Post #80 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:25 am

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In post 74, tris wrote:
In post 71, insomnia wrote:I have no time for banter, call me when we get over useless stuff.

Push lurkers.
This post is weird. VOTE: insomnia You seem to have completely changed gears here, and I don't understand why.
And you are voting because you don’t know why I’ve changed gears?

You didn’t even try to figure it out yourself?

I didn’t want to continue with that conversation, it’s not productive and it can end in some unnecessary tunnels. My vote on roster was because I didn’t like how he placed the vote. Done. There’s no reason to continue that conversation as I wasn’t even looking to get roster lynched. I use voting as a pressuring tool.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:28 am

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In post 79, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Insomnia

Oh look I'm sheeping!
You got mad because I defended a baseless read? :lol:

He didn’t even flip, you’re already making associations based on an imaginary flip friend, be careful ;)
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Post Post #82 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:28 am

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VOTE: Insomnia
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Post Post #86 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:35 am

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Focus on other people, you’re wasting your time. I guarantee. You’re targeting two towns right now.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:38 am

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Sue me
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Post Post #90 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:39 am

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Baezu is town

Tris is town but has bad reads

Gl probs town has bad reads

Move on
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Post Post #91 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:39 am

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Yes, I town read Baezu
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Post Post #93 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:52 am

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I have a family emergency and I won’t be able to post as much as I have for the next few days. I’ll just say please don’t wagon me to death carelessly, or cap my wagon at L-2 at least. I’ll try to give as much input as possible..although I doubt i’ll be able to
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Post Post #170 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:28 am

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I found some time on my hands that I can use here

GL town

Roster town

Tris town

Baezu town
My lynch list: Yes Mafia / Elbirn / MariaR

Ofrhz town lean

I don’t know if I’ll lynch outside this list for today

VOTE: Elbirn
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Post Post #220 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:37 pm

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I agree with MariaR, but YM voted for a no-lynch and then voted to lynch me when I was being pressured

Why’d you do that YM?

Skitter, I’ve been playing since the middle of february on site and off-site I have a lot of years of Town of Salem

This is going to be one of my bad games cuz I got tunneled and I couldn’t focus on actual scum

YM is a good vote for the simple reason that he’s far scummier than I am and for the that no-lynch vote followed by mine.

Aleo, his scum reads are pretty bad and he has only 3 posts if I’m not mistaken

It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.

I’ll wait 24 hrs for a claim from Ym and then I’m voting.
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Post Post #224 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:47 pm

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I said I’ll vote not hammer
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Post Post #231 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:07 pm

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In post 225, tris wrote:Then, why do you need em to claim?
So we don’t lynch him while he’s afk because he might be an important role?

Being cautious of a lolhammer?

Just because it’s written in suggestions it doesn’t mean you have to place intent only when hammering
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Post Post #233 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:27 pm

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Why, is he usually an easy tr?
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Post Post #238 (isolation #29) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:09 am

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:lol:
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Post Post #239 (isolation #30) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:10 am

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VOTE: Yes Mafia
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Post Post #253 (isolation #31) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:21 am

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Roster not you :(
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Post Post #254 (isolation #32) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:24 am

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YM’s 4 posts are scummier than my whole ISO

Reason for switching wagons?
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Post Post #255 (isolation #33) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:25 am

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Be a good sheep now Roster
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Post Post #257 (isolation #34) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:52 am

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I'll cook you and you'll be chicken nuggets :O
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Post Post #259 (isolation #35) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:07 am

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Reason for switching wagons?
@roster
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Post Post #260 (isolation #36) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:21 am

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It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
didn't you like the fact that I said town? this you should agree with from a town pov.
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Post Post #262 (isolation #37) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:40 am

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Yeah it should've, people are finally starting to have good reads
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Post Post #263 (isolation #38) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:42 am

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In post 261, rosterfoster wrote:It’s town’s job to get rid of scum. Telling apart scummy town from scum is the most important job.

I want to revive your original wagon which should never have disappeared.
No, getting rid of mislynch bait, which scum want alive, is what town should do. Remember there is a possibility this is just scum. You'd argue on this with "he is so scummy that he must be town" which is plain dumb. look at his iso and tell me it's not scummy af.

tell me if you want this to get in lylo and fuck up all of your reads with only one post

tell me you want YM to place naked votes everyday without giving any reasons for them

people read lurking and scummy behavior as town on this website, which I can't get behind, sadly
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Post Post #269 (isolation #39) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:26 am

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L-2 I believe
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Post Post #292 (isolation #40) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:39 pm

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YM I said I’d like you to claim. Otherwise I’m voting.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #41) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:49 pm

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In post 277, Elbirn wrote:
In post 263, insomnia wrote: No, getting rid of mislynch bait, which scum want alive, is what town should do.
"Town should mislynch the players that scum wants us to mislynch."
In post 277, Elbirn wrote:
In post 263, insomnia wrote: No, getting rid of mislynch bait, which scum want alive, is what town should do.
"Town should mislynch the players that scum wants us to mislynch."
Nice distortion, giving you a C for the effort

It should be obvious yes will be an easy mislynch later on in the game.

He has so many scum reads it just looks like he’s widening his mislynch pool.

How do you go from 1 scum in 4 people to a lynch pool that has 3 new people that he didn’t comment on at all

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Post Post #295 (isolation #42) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:02 pm

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YM you have (expired on 2019-04-07 01:02:59) to claim

Or I’m giving you the almighty hammer
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Post Post #305 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:13 am

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These votes on me are the most stupid thing ever :lol:
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Post Post #306 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:15 am

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Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)

Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)
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Post Post #308 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:39 am

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I’m not talking with people that can’t read
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Post Post #309 (isolation #46) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:42 am

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In post 307, Enigma wrote:
In post 306, insomnia wrote:Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)

Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)
1. are you calling me/vizzy scum?
2. do you think you are easily readable? or acting townie this game?
3. what does lynching an inactive slot achieve in terms of next day scum hunting?
This is scum for trying to keep mislynch bait later on in the game, take notes
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Post Post #313 (isolation #47) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:51 am

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In post 311, Invisibility wrote:insomnia is getting IMPATIENT
still have a warranty for that scum kit you’ve bought? I don’t think it’s working properly
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Post Post #314 (isolation #48) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:56 am

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You don’t lynch because they provide entertainment???????

Your 3. On 301 is plain bad enigma.

You are wasting a vig shot / cop check on someone that’s already being scum read by the majority of people, therefore, he’ll die at some point anyways -> you are wasting a cop check. If cop check turns out red it’s just confirming a belief that you already had. If cop check turns green, cop has to out himself in order to protect a player that isn’t progressing with the town wincon at all. What are you on?

The vig shot is wasted because we can shoot other people that actually provide information and can point to associations post-flip and, again, it’s not wasting a shot on someone that is going to be lynched anyway.

Votes on me are gross
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Post Post #315 (isolation #49) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:57 am

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In post 310, Enigma wrote:
In post 309, insomnia wrote:
In post 307, Enigma wrote:
In post 306, insomnia wrote:Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)

Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)
1. are you calling me/vizzy scum?
2. do you think you are easily readable? or acting townie this game?
3. what does lynching an inactive slot achieve in terms of next day scum hunting?
This is scum for trying to keep mislynch bait later on in the game, take notes
In post 301, Enigma wrote:so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...

noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment
2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit
Thanks for clarifying it :lol:
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Post Post #316 (isolation #50) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:58 am

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In post 300, Enigma wrote:actually add vizzy to that list
Based on what?
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Post Post #319 (isolation #51) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 318, Invisibility wrote:I don’t like insomnia
I like you I just don't like your reads
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Post Post #321 (isolation #52) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:08 am

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i lied OwO
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Post Post #325 (isolation #53) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:16 am

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YM if you vote enigma I'm keeping you alive for today
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Post Post #363 (isolation #54) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:31 pm

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I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO
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Post Post #364 (isolation #55) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:33 pm

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Enigma looks like he’s trying to get massive town points for defending someone that shouldn’t even be defended

Vig/cop enigma - this is a good use of cop check / vig shot, as opposed to that Ym shit you are pulling off
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Post Post #365 (isolation #56) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:33 pm

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I still want to lynch YM though
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Post Post #368 (isolation #57) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:14 pm

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With that vote on me, he can get lynched as well :P
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Post Post #369 (isolation #58) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:15 pm

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Looking at his iso he’s more of a fence-sitter, he’s not game solving but rather he’s asking people questions to estabilish if that person’s push will come off as suspicious for him, he’s just waiting to pounce on someone

YM still a better lynch though
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Post Post #373 (isolation #59) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:23 pm

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I’m trying to figure out if what I’ve said was suspicious enough for a town to do a complete 180 and vote them

But, for your pleasure, my town read on him slowly but surely goes away. I’m waiting for more content from him before I can estabilish a final read
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Post Post #374 (isolation #60) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:24 pm

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In post 372, Baezu wrote:
In post 365, insomnia wrote:I still want to lynch YM though
What about YM makes you think they’re scum, though?
I already have a case and people have already discussed this

Please game solve on your own and stop fence-sitting before I choose to vote you instead of YM

This will probaby happen either way

Lynch list : YM -> Enigma -> Baezu

^ in case I die
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Post Post #377 (isolation #61) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:31 pm

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That later on turned to a 6 player pool and he removed me, the ony person he voted for at that time
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Post Post #378 (isolation #62) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:31 pm

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Who tf votes for a No-lynch and then when suspicion is on somebody you sneak up a naked vote
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Post Post #385 (isolation #63) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:19 pm

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What does that game have to do with any of this?
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Post Post #390 (isolation #64) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:56 pm

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In post 387, Enigma wrote:
In post 385, insomnia wrote:What does that game have to do with any of this?
its a subtle hint that willingness to reassess your scum reads and actually listening to what other people say can be a productive thing
It’s day one and your scum read on me is bad already

Why should I listen to you?

Just because you late game found BuJ scum because he was voting you and then you could form associations based on that read it doesn’t make you a good player sry
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Post Post #391 (isolation #65) » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:06 pm

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In post 380, Enigma wrote:
In post 363, insomnia wrote:I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO
mechanically, how does threatening to l-1 someone make sense? then what are you going to do when they claim? ohh nah lets not lynch them?
we are not going down the path of lets l-1 claim then the next guy and next guy, it just makes it easier for scum to hunt prs.
Mechanically, killing someone that

1) Is not helping to progress with town wincon

2) Is helping the wincon of scum by being suspicious and easy lynch bait

Is the right play here.

You’re basically saying “he’s too scummy to not be town” which is faulty logic.
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Post Post #394 (isolation #66) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:22 am

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Logic = makes sense

You are defending someone with 5 posts that votes for a no lynch at the beginning of the day and then has a 6 player lynch pool

Reasons for defending :

1) Provides entertainment. Where’s that entertainment? This isn’t a reason to keep someone around even if he was entertaining
2) shit associatives post-flip. I highly doubt that would be the case.
3) cop/vig should do our job instead of checking / shooting people that can’t be read. What a waste. I’ve explained a vig shot on him is useless, not sure this is how jester works, but the only scenario vig should shoot someone like YM would be if this was a jester setup.

You are refusing to vote someone that is preventing us from progressing. That’s why I scum read you.

Oh, that plus if he is town, it just proves you are scum who wanted to get merit points as they lacked content and probably will lurk half of the game.

There’s no reason to defend someone that isn’t even defending themselves. He has 5 posts, why are you going out of your way to defend him? If he was an active player with reads, then maybe I’d argue defending him would come off as natural, but...just why?

You’re helping to keep someone alive that will screw with town extra hard. That’s anti-town.

I guess this accusation is pointless if you don’t understand pure logical mechanics, so I’ll just end this rn
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Post Post #399 (isolation #67) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:32 am

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There is a fundamental difference in our mentality.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #68) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:11 am

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Explain what’s wrong about it and how you deal with lack of apathy from players and their unwilligness to spew themselves town and how that makes them not a liability later in the game and argue how slots that fit into this cathegory benefit town
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Post Post #410 (isolation #69) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:49 am

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But we gain nothing in terms of information/associations, being bad at mafia still =/= being scum, and these are the exact sorts of people to be vigged if anything and you insisting the opposite is haha nah man
You are arguing on this : Shoot Yes Mafia instead of lynching him.

You are saying he provides no associations post-flip.

You, the one who argues that lynching YM is bad because of no associations, are saying shoot him.

The outcome of a lynch versus shoot scenario is exactly the same. There are no associations post-flip if he is shot or lynched. The only difference is that you’re forcing PR’s to use their abilities on a player that is going to die regardless, be it through a lynch or a vig shot.

You do realize the mistake in your approach? It doesn’t matter if he is shot or lynched, the idea is to get rid of scummy people that just so happen to be lurking as well.

I am advocating a lynch because it allows for cop/vig to pursue their reads freely without being forced by us to waste a night action on someone that is already a suspect.

If cop checks and he gets a green -> he needs to out himself to protect someone who doesn’t contribute to the wincon of towns. Is that a worthwile deal? Losing a PR for someone who clearly doesn’t have an interest in playing?

If vig shoots -> we are forcing him to waste a bullet. A good vig shoots someone that is scum and that has a lot of influence or is literally unlynchable. Vig needs to shoot for info, we’re wasting our PR’s ability.

Lynching is a way better outcome in this scenario.

I believe I make a lot of sense in my head, I don’t know why nobody gets what I’m saying, it’s all logical to me
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Post Post #437 (isolation #70) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:36 pm

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In post 427, skitter30 wrote:
In post 373, insomnia wrote:
I’m trying to figure out if what I’ve said was suspicious enough for a town to do a complete 180 and vote them


But, for your pleasure, my town read on him slowly but surely goes away. I’m waiting for more content from him before I can estabilish a final read
say this bit again? i'm not following what your'e saying there
I defended Baezu saying he was town, but when the YM wagon started to fall apart and Invis and Enigma voted for me, he hopped on my wagon for “You are trying to force a role claim” reasoning.

So what I meant was, would that be enough for someone to switch their vote from someone who is far more suspicious than I was. I said that “to do a 180” because I believed Baezu tred me because when I self-voted he said” I know you’re fristrated but please don’t” so Idk it felt like he tred me even though he didn’t specify it.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #71) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:05 am

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In post 445, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.

Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

So I want to lynch in those three today. I've been kind of town-reading Elbirn so Insomnia or Engima.
Probably your worst read on this website :lol:
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Post Post #452 (isolation #72) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:09 am

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L-4 ym
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Post Post #454 (isolation #73) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:55 am

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I’m trusting skitter because she defended me

I have soft spots for people that rub my back

Let me know when you’re online skitter and let’s game solve
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Post Post #455 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:56 am

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VOTE: rosterfoster
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Post Post #457 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:01 am

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Volxen is a player who lacks activity, but when he finds time he posts walls of text, so I’m waiting atm

Tris doesn’t seem scum

Invis might be just bad town ngl

YM wagon looks town af
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Post Post #458 (isolation #76) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:02 am

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Yeah let’s lynch YM, wagon dissipated way too quickly for no reason

VOTE: YM

Skitter, you know who to vote :p
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Post Post #460 (isolation #77) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:16 am

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Not sure if you have an odd desire to not read the game

Or if my 457 is correct

The wagon fell because of two people who were off wagon. Those being Enigma and Elbirn.

I feel like sometimes I should just shut up and vote like YM does for this exact reason lmao
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Post Post #461 (isolation #78) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:18 am

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All scummy people are off wagon from ym so it’s a good lynch
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Post Post #487 (isolation #79) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:15 pm

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In post 483, MariaR wrote:
In post 214, tris wrote:What were you scum reading me for at that point?
You’re posting a lot and I certainly agree with others that you’re active, but I don’t agree that the posts you make are towny. I think what you’ve posted was decent questions that led to no where. Along with some of your recent posting that I just feel like is opportunistic stances.
In post 219, ofrhz wrote:I'm actually fine with the Yes Mafia wagon despite not being on it

I can understand the reluctance around not putting him at L-1 so early though, since that puts them in claim and lolhammer territory

Still tr'ing tris
I don’t think anyone minds a Yes Mafia wagon. And that’s the problem. His posting is just bland the one thing he made was saying scum was in a group of people that a lot of people are tring. I’m looking at the actions around Yes Mafia instead of at him. Because if we look at him you won’t see much and prob want to wagon him. Yet he’s not really as scummy as people are trying to make him out to be. What I see is an obvious mislynch. Maybe a bus, but I don’t think so at this point.
In post 249, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 210, MariaR wrote:Ok yeah tris is prob scum. Yes mafia feels like the easy wagon for scum to push for a ml
Like what's actually wrong with jumping on a wagon?

I felt that was townie.
The way people go onto wagons and the reasoning they give all depend on if jumping on the wagon was towny or not. The way people went on Yes Mafia really game was not towny to me.
In post 263, insomnia wrote:
In post 261, rosterfoster wrote:It’s town’s job to get rid of scum. Telling apart scummy town from scum is the most important job.

I want to revive your original wagon which should never have disappeared.
No, getting rid of mislynch bait, which scum want alive, is what town should do. Remember there is a possibility this is just scum. You'd argue on this with "he is so scummy that he must be town" which is plain dumb. look at his iso and tell me it's not scummy af.

tell me if you want this to get in lylo and fuck up all of your reads with only one post

tell me you want YM to place naked votes everyday without giving any reasons for them

people read lurking and scummy behavior as town on this website, which I can't get behind, sadly
So do you think Yes Mafia is mislynch bait or we're hitting scum? If he's mislynch bait who's the scum on the wagon if anyone? You can't fence sit on this stance no sir.

Few pages down a lot to go
It flips scum.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #80) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:19 pm

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Oh you’re gonna love my posting then. Does this make me scum too?
If you defend Ym, then yeah, you can get lynched as well
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Post Post #495 (isolation #81) » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:38 pm

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Can we just all agree YM is the best lynch for today and stop acting like we don’t believe that
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Post Post #498 (isolation #82) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:41 am

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You can’t pressure a player like YM, just lynch.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #83) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:09 am

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How’s it gonna look?

I appreciate your concern buddy, but lurkers are a threat to town if kept alive, not scum ;)
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Post Post #542 (isolation #84) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:30 pm

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461 was the most recent example.
That was me saying the YM wagon is good because townies are on it. How do you take it as throwing shade on the people
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Post Post #543 (isolation #85) » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:31 pm

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In post 445, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.

Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

So I want to lynch in those three today. I've been kind of town-reading Elbirn so Insomnia or Engima.
What “type of convo”?
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Post Post #564 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:22 am

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Prod dodge yeet

Ah, game relevant content? I’m town

K see ya tomorrow, I’ll be doing this until we reach a consensus

Or when I get on my pc
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Post Post #571 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:56 pm

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Yeah I still feel good with my vote
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Post Post #575 (isolation #88) » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:20 am

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(ftr, i actually tr insomnia and think hes just bad)
I hope you’ll still be alive to see how I carry this sorry lobby OwO
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Post Post #577 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:22 am

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How does lynching lurkers = bad at the game

I bet you the first two people that you’ll lynch will be town

Wanna bet?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:23 am

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I don’t think we have the same definition of prod dodging
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Post Post #581 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:24 am

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In post 579, Enigma wrote:
In post 577, insomnia wrote:How does lynching lurkers = bad at the game

I bet you the first two people that you’ll lynch will be town

Wanna bet?
ive never said im good, im just saying youre bad
:lol:

Give me final reads day two without changing them and we’ll see who’s better

I challenge you at a xiaolin showdown
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Post Post #613 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:16 am

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Ok I've re-read everything until like page 17 and I've come up with this

VOTE: Baezu
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Post Post #614 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:21 am

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From the active experienced player pool I feel like everyone is town, some question marks on MariaR, other than that Volx, ofrhz, gl, elbirn all feel town

could be a lazy town read on my part but the interactions people get into in rvs + wall texts makes me just automatically look at it as town trying to game solve and generate discussions

i'm trying to be objective on skitter's alignment but i just can't, her tr on me is justified, thus her defending me seems town as well. not sure why people consider she's scum. my tr on her might be influenced based on her wking me.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:22 am

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So, potential scum team would be Baezu + 1 lurker + 1 player that is in that juicy activity spot, not too low for people to get over her / him, and not too active for people to spot them.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:23 am

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In post 615, insomnia wrote:So, potential scum team would be Baezu + 1 lurker + 1 player that is in that juicy activity spot, not too low for people to question them and not too active for people to scum hunt them.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #96) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:32 am

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K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma
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Post Post #618 (isolation #97) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:36 am

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Volxen has good posts as always, if baezu flips town then he would be the next person I'd look into. He knows how to build a proper scum case and knows when to take advantage of an easy push. If Baezu is town then his actions are really scummy and therefore he's an easy scum read / push.

Given volxen's lurkiness, I tend to believe he's a really analytical person, because even though he's not that active, when he is, he goes for quality rather than quantity. You can see the amount of time and effort behind a scum read ; the lengthy thought process.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:12 pm

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In post 620, Elbirn wrote:
In post 618, insomnia wrote:Volxen has good posts as always, if baezu flips town then he would be the next person I'd look into. He knows how to build a proper scum case and knows when to take advantage of an easy push. If Baezu is town then his actions are really scummy and therefore he's an easy scum read / push.

Given volxen's lurkiness, I tend to believe he's a really analytical person, because even though he's not that active, when he is, he goes for quality rather than quantity. You can see the amount of time and effort behind a scum read ; the lengthy thought process.
I'm really not sure what your read on volxen is after reading the above. Is he only a scumread if baezu is town? Theres nothing independently scummy about him and he's a townread otherwise?

I townread volxen I just want to poke your brain
I’m town reading him because his accusation on Baezu is a good one

What I’m also saying is if we push Baezu and he flips town, there’s a chance volxen has orchestrated a good push on a scummy town, given his analytical nature. He isn’t a stream of consciousness poster, he takes his time to analyze every step and post he makes.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #99) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:15 pm

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@insomnia explain why you thought that baezu was town here?
People accused him on his entry post, which I find to be a really dumb scum hunting tool. That’s just from my pov, I don’t see scum hunting entry posts as an effective tool to catch scum
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Post Post #638 (isolation #100) » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:22 pm

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Don’t hammer my white knight :(
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Post Post #646 (isolation #101) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:17 am

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In post 644, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 617, insomnia wrote:K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma
Why are you pushing a scumteam when we don't even know one flip? Makes me feel this for scum again. Ughh.
I’m pushing a single person, as that’s my limit. I can’t lynch 2 people in one day, the game wasn’t designed that way.

Of course if Baezu flips town here then I’d reconsider the scum team, it’s common sense. I scum read Baezu and then I try to look for potential scum buds by association.

Are you going to play the spanish inquisition for much longer and poke holes in my cases or are you actually going to provide input as well?
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Post Post #647 (isolation #102) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:18 am

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In post 644, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 617, insomnia wrote:K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma
Why are you pushing a scumteam when we don't even know one flip? Makes me feel this for scum again. Ughh.
That post is based on my scum read on Baezu. My maria scum read only works if Baezu flips scum. What is the problem here? Why is this suspicious?
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Post Post #649 (isolation #103) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:40 am

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In post 648, rosterfoster wrote:I already gave cases on both SKitter and Tris.

I just don't like it when people look for associations before the flip. But I've seen town do it so whatever.
Can you point to those cases?
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Post Post #651 (isolation #104) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:53 am

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So if you town read someone and then you defend that person, you read that as scum?

And your case on tris is esentially “I do this as scum => tris is scum for doing this”

It’s like saying I won the lottery and I bought a car. You bought a car, so that means you won the lottery.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #105) » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:10 am

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@roster do you still have the same reads after our conversation?
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Post Post #673 (isolation #106) » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:23 am

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not my white knight :(
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Post Post #674 (isolation #107) » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:24 am

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I wanna say before the day ends that I believe roster is a scum-lean as well. Night night
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Post Post #707 (isolation #108) » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:03 pm

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VOTE: Baezu
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Post Post #709 (isolation #109) » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:02 pm

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Self hammer baezu? :p
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Post Post #721 (isolation #110) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 am

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Invis, you can’t read my alignment

Your catch up is a waste of time because you are looking in the wrong place

This is the definition of conf bias, you legit only look at my posts
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Post Post #722 (isolation #111) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:47 am

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In post 719, Invisibility wrote:
In post 488, insomnia wrote:
Oh you’re gonna love my posting then. Does this make me scum too?
If you defend Ym, then yeah, you can get lynched as well
what the heck
Maria is really scummy anyway and I scum read her as well btw

Her vote on skitter felt like the most awkard bus I’ve seen ever since I started playing on this forum

Also, volxen’s case regarding baezu points to maria as her scum bud anyways

I can go into a case but I have this lack of interest because of my early engagements and people calling me newbtown

And so I’ll just say my scum reads without giving any sort of explanation
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Post Post #724 (isolation #112) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:36 am

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So i take it you town read Baezu if you asked about the wagon?
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Post Post #737 (isolation #113) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:42 am

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I’ve played with you in 3 games and in none of those were you so dedicated to explaining your scum reads or giving a case when voting someone. Why are you doing it now?
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Post Post #738 (isolation #114) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:47 am

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Anyways, tomorrow I’ll be on holiday for like 2 weeks and so I’ll re-read everything and give my thought on potential scums.

As a point of reference, I don’t like Baezu or roster right now. For you to go on GL after you stacked votes in rvs with him, therefore I take it you share the same mentality, you can’t be turning on him like this right now and say he’s probably scum. That self-conscious argument is meh and it can’t be justified because you’ve only played one game with him.

I’ll be willing to get into a 1v1 later on. Given that I’ll have time to analyse everything I don’t want this lynch to go through that fast.

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Post Post #739 (isolation #115) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:53 am

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In post 732, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 642, volxen wrote:Why do you have your vote on Tris rather than Baezu? Tris is a widely townread player and you are clearly in the minority with your scumread of her. It's very unlikely that you could push a successful wagon on her, and you must realize this is the case based on the current state of the game. Baezu, on the other hand, is not a widely townread player and is coming under scrutiny due to some questionable things that she has done. You are currently the leading wagon at L-1 (6) votes, and Baezu is the closest thing to a competing counter-wagon at L-4 (3 votes). So wouldn't it make more sense for you to be voting for Baezu rather than Tris, given that you scumread both slots? Because your vote for Tris is really a vanity wagon at this point.
"Oh Skitter please help me force through this myslynch so you don't get lynched'
Not sure what you’re trying to misrep here. Volxen’s point made a lot of sense to me.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #116) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:12 am

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In post 740, rosterfoster wrote:Jungle Republic - I was scum
Access Point - that setup did not gel with me and didn’t facilitate scumhunting anyway.
Large normal - we lynched town every day. I did try a few times to explain my reads but I am way better with associatives than just reading off posts. This is why most of my D1 reads are utter crap but it does improve with flips.

That’s not to say I can’t have reads without casing or stating reasons but usually it’s because I don’t have much confidence in them.

See Unstable Mafia or Winter’s Sacrifice Mini normal for me actually making cases. I do do it.

Pedit: Volxen was trying to get Skitter to move onto Baezu to help him escape the rope. What was his point in this post?
Wrong. Skitter was a leading wagon and the closest wagon to her was Baezu. She scum read Baezu and has stated it, but she never ended up pushing for her scum read? She was her competing wagon, she scum read her, but she ended up starting a vanity wagon?

Why is that? What I got from it was that Baezu could be her scum bud because Skitter didn’t try to vote for her, especially with Baezu being an almost universal scum read, instead, she pushed for Tris who was widely town read and it was obvious she wasn’t going to get lynched by the end of the day.

What’s the motive behind it from your point of view?
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Post Post #752 (isolation #117) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:34 am

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I’ve never said your logic is bad, I just said you’re wasting your time and you’re confbiasing me, therefore, you see something scummy in each post of mine

I think you’re a confused town
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Post Post #753 (isolation #118) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:39 am

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By the way, I typically don’t answer questions that I deem as unworthy of an answer, mainly because if you focus on reading my posts rather than put a label on me, you’d easily figure out my thought process and therefore you can figure the answer to your question on your own.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #119) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:42 am

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Ebirn’s right though, your re-read seems more like a scum case and you aren’t keeping in mind skitter’s flip.

Your catchup is solely based on trying to read me which is useless this early in the game. If I’m scum, you won’t find me early.

My posts will give me away later in the game

I’m not being pushed by anyone, Baezu is a high priority target, you should probably look for yourself if that’s town or scum rather than focusing on someone that isn’t probably getting lynched until LyLo
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Post Post #755 (isolation #120) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:43 am

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I might get nked as a result of my future game solving. It’s all been shits and giggles, everything from this point is going to be serious insomnia. My opinion on everyone will come in 15-16 hours, be patient.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #121) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:07 am

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insomnia did you really scumread me at the time because i was voting you????
Can you not follow enigma’s shitty assumptions? There’s no post where I called you scum for voting me. In that specific post that you’ve quoted I was calling you newb towns if anything, where did the scum read even come into play?
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Post Post #764 (isolation #122) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:23 am

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POE :

Skitter - scum

Baezu - scum

Roster/invisibility - scum

This is what I came up with, of course there's reasoning behind it but there are mostly notes that I took in a notepad file.

I'm leaning towards roster scum more than invis.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #123) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:27 am

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A lot of this is dependent on Maria being town and ym being town as well which are the scummiest players here and I'm quite biased

but this would be the logical read. although i'm quite disappointed that i have to form reads based on people that aren't here (ym) and I have to clear them as town for the purpose of scum hunting in the active pool, which i find annoying as hell and counter intuitive. I have to force myself to deal with the active lot while ignoring the lurkers. this isn't how the game should be played. Everyone should be active or at least contribute somehow. guess i can't do anything about it though. sad.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #124) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:29 am

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In post 741, rosterfoster wrote:Also the Baezu wagon went way too fast and the scummiest way joining that was Volxen IMO.
after taking my notes and checking on this post at the end, i feel more confident in my roster scum read.

the people on the wagon as well as the speed aren't an issue at all. you're the one that's derailing a scummy player's wagon.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #125) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:37 am

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Because the people on baezu's wagon are all town reads (from my pov) and have expressed their scum read on baezu on day one. that's why it isn't an issue.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #126) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:40 am

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Volxen was the reason I ended up scum reading baezu...
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Post Post #775 (isolation #127) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:44 am

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You make it so much easier for me :lol:
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Post Post #776 (isolation #128) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:45 am

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Elbirn I think your vote is safe, don't worry.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #129) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:48 am

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I've mentioned I was the one that followed volxen, not the other way around. you're poking a stone with a stick. if i were you though i'd just attempt to shade ym or invis, i would've followed you most probably if i didn't re-read the game. too late now.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #130) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:56 am

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In post 779, rosterfoster wrote:You know sometimes you should open your mind a bit?

You never really adressed my point about Tris being just as viable as Baezu from Skitter's perspective. Add to that the fact that (I think) his buddy was voting Baezu so could switch over to help him out.
Shouldn't everyone open their mind on this? why specifically me? there are 4 other people besides me that are on baezu's wagon at the moment. are you calling all of them narrow minded?
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Post Post #783 (isolation #131) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:01 am

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what's your point again?

post a scum team and why you think that would be the case

and tris is a more viable scum than baezu is what you're saying?
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Post Post #789 (isolation #132) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:12 am

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No yesterday when Skitter was deciding who to counterwagon Tris makes more sense that Baezu because Volxen (and GL) could find a reason to hop on to try and save skitter.
Elaborate.
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Post Post #798 (isolation #133) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:21 am

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In post 791, rosterfoster wrote:Skitter and Baezu were both on 2 votes. Volxen was voting Baezu.

I think the easiest way for skitter to save herself was to vote for Tris and for her teammates to try and steet the game towards a Tris wagon. She was not universally townread as I recall (certainly I and Maria didn't). In a world where Volxen/GL are the buddies this makes sense, no? Trouble is they have been been a bit light on activity so I don't think they dared to try and push it too much.
In a world where occam's razor is not a thing, it would make sense i guess

the baezu wagon was a lot easier to push than tris being a heavily town read player. nobody has expressed their town read on baezu. a lot expressed their tr on tris. i think her push was a last effort to shade her so you can use it as an excuse to push a ridiculous scum team like that. or perhaps she didn't even have that intention, but you certainly are looking to play that information in a convenient way for you.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #134) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:35 am

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I didn't even recall Yes Mafia was in the game
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Post Post #801 (isolation #135) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:48 am

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See ya day 3 you beautiful people, it's been nice catching up
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Post Post #813 (isolation #136) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:29 am

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You using the argument of “ he has 12 posts” and not applying it for ym fits into my mafia theory that scum want lynchbait to live until later in the game

Guess we’ll see if I was right

Also, volxen is more of a low quantity but high quality poster.

Your theory makes no sense. How is jumping on a universally town read player a good scum play that results in a save from skitter’s lynch????

Out of all the ways you could interpret it, this is by far the most stretched one. Your gl + volxen theory thing is also a stretch.

How does a volxen flip give us info on Baezu? Please explain. Why wouldn’t a me lynch give you info about baezu? You said you didn’t like how fast the wagon was built , therefore, if you lynch Baezu then his flip will tell us whether it was scum driven or not and you gain the most information out of it.

If volxen was scum with skitter, wouldn’t he just tell her in the pt that she should push baezu? Why would he do it in the gt.
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Post Post #814 (isolation #137) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:30 am

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In post 812, rosterfoster wrote:I'm sure there was something to do with mentioning/not mentioning but I can't remember.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #138) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:32 am

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VOTE: rosterfoster

Tris, how’s your scum read on roster after our interaction?
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Post Post #818 (isolation #139) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:56 am

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In his day 1, volxen has made a solid case on baezu that he stuck with

All you’ve done was to push me for having different mentalities and when you were proven wrong on every single accusation that you’ve brought on me, you have awkardly placed a vote on Skitter. When I asked you about why you’ve voted without making a case, you pointed towards a post saying that you scum read her because of her pocketing me. That’s it. The only “engagement” you’ve had with her was that. And it was not even an engagement with her, you were specifying your reason for placing a vote.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #140) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:58 am

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In post 816, rosterfoster wrote:I haven't sorted YM. He's town be POE but I do make mistakes with my reads sometimes (shocking I know).

Volxen's posts have not been high quality though? Can you point me to where he has been game solving?

You keep saying Tris was universally toweread. She was not.

Perhaps scum don't have day talk?

Baezu's wagon was not scum-driven but it was jumped on by scum (Volxen). His flip won't change that.

A volxen town flip gives Baezu as scum for me, while a Baezu town flip does not give scum Volxen.
If your accusation is regarding post count, then why is Volxen a scum read and why isn’t YM one? I believe YM has fewer posts than volxen as well.
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Post Post #820 (isolation #141) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:59 am

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I think you’re scum, roster. Along with baezu.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #142) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:09 am

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I am tunnel visioned? My dude, your case on volxen is weak. Your jump on skitter was awful. No interactions and you placed a naked vote.

Your case on volxen is sustained by your wagon theory, which is not right. Baezu was a scum read for more people, tris was town read by THE MAJORITY. You are in the minority of people that suspected her. You are the one that’s tunnely, not me. But sure, use that as a defence, maybe that’ll get you out of a lynch.

Your day one “solving” was basically sheeping gl for the first part, sheeping people on me, getting off my wagon, then parking your vote back on me again. Skitter confronted you and so have I, you just kept on giving bad arguments to justify your parked vote on me and when skitter started getting voted, you hopped on immediately.

The percentage of scum bussing day one is insane, given the chaos and paranoia of town, town would probably be less likely to lynch scum so often if scum didn’t help them.
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Post Post #827 (isolation #143) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:12 am

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In post 767, rosterfoster wrote:Sorry why wasn't the speed an issue? A quickhammer would not have been a good idea.

Also your're saying that there's 3 scum left?
In post 768, rosterfoster wrote:Oh nvm I derped ignore the last line.
In post 770, rosterfoster wrote:Volxen did not really until D2. And why is he a townread for you?
In post 773, rosterfoster wrote:Oh nvm there was a mistake in a vote count.
In post 774, rosterfoster wrote:But he still only expressed Baezu scum D2.
In post 777, rosterfoster wrote:Look I really think you've somehow been pocketed by volxen (although IDK how he managed it because Charisma isn't his strongest suit). If you really want to go after me, do remember that when I flip.

These posts in succession are horrible
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Post Post #830 (isolation #144) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:14 am

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It’s like he’s trying to explain to me why volxen is scum but his accusations are refuted by me and so he goes “Look man you’ve been pocketed by volxen it’s so obvious”. He has no case at all.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #145) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:18 am

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If you’re town, you are the one that’s being tunnely, roster. You’ve corrected yourself on your accusation twice now. You don’t even know what volxen has said or done. It sometimes takes one accusation that you can’t justify to tear your case apart. You’ve reached the point where you’re accusing him for his low post count, even though, objectively speaking, he has done more game solving than you on day one in 12 posts than you in 50.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #146) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:20 am

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In post 831, rosterfoster wrote:Sorry but I derped once, once a VC had a mistake, and the others are because you keep trying to straw man my argument and keep ignoring it when I show you that your points are wrong.

Like what even is this?

I did not back out of it.
Where have you shown me my points are wrong again?

Even on your case on me you’ve corrected yourself when I faced you.

You feel a lot like newb!scum me. I know this argument has no weight, just wanted to put that out there.
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Post Post #836 (isolation #147) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:23 am

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You still haven’t answered my question regarding where you showed me to be wrong, but I’ve expected that.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #148) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:32 pm

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You guys make this way more complicated than it should be.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #149) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:45 pm

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Oh vedith replaced GL

Vedith, can you help me get town grouped up and focus on getting roster or baezu lynched please
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Post Post #845 (isolation #150) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:46 pm

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In post 839, Elbirn wrote:
In post 805, rosterfoster wrote:Why not Volxen? I’m happy to go with GL but I want to know why/if you townread Volxen? And why the change in heart over Baezu?

Cos I feel a Volxen flip gives us info about Baezu.
1. I dont scumread volxen
1a. I kinda feel as though GL should be your main scumread based on what you said, but in all fairness I read those posts days ago

2. I have not changed my mind about baezu. I unvoted because I dont want the day to be only several hours long. Also, I want to play with my food a bit. If shes town she should be able to show us that. If shes scum I want her to drop more associatives for us to work with.
In post 810, Invisibility wrote:hey roster could you organize all the reasons you scumread volxen into one post
In post 811, rosterfoster wrote:-Only has 12 posts
-Skitter jumped to tris wagon to try to save herself, then Volxen almost seemed to be trying to direct Skitter to Baezu as he thought that would work.
Low post count is meaningless.

Skitter not taking the obvious route of voting for Baezu is a strike against baezu, not volxen. This point is bananas.
In post 820, insomnia wrote:I think you’re scum, roster. Along with baezu.
Plausible but too easy. I'll be disappointed if this game is that simple. I've had lingering misgivings about GL, though I want their replacement to come play now that they're out.

Qctually I just want eveveevevereveveeveveryeveveevevereveveeveveryo wow fuck you phone, actually I just want everyone to come play

UNVOTE:
You're feeling like that because he had an argument with you. snap out of it. from an outsider's pov like me, who wasn't involved in your little beef you had going on, that really looked TvT.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #151) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:47 pm

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VOTE: Baezu

Lynch this first as people are more open-minded to this, we'll proceed with roster afterwards.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #152) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:08 pm

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I've never locked someone as scum but I guess it's a first time for everything.
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Post Post #850 (isolation #153) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:10 pm

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In post 836, insomnia wrote:You still haven’t answered my question regarding where you showed me to be wrong, but I’ve expected that.
If you're here though, mind answering this?
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Post Post #852 (isolation #154) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:18 pm

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In post 851, rosterfoster wrote:A large part of your scumread on me was because I went off the Skitter wagon.

I started the Skitter wagon and hopped back on it pretty fast.
In post 441, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 337, skitter30 wrote:@ roster i think that these two lines from insomnia probably dont' come from scum tbh
they're too 'i'm going to push what i think is right and i don't give a flyign fuck about the consequences'-y to be scummy imo
I always had this idea that scum are quite likely to say 'This should be lynched whethers it's town or scum, becuase they are bad.' That's where it comes from.
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In post 349, skitter30 wrote:b) insomnia's like .... really really townie and his push on ym is entirely consistent with how he views mafia and mislynches and lynchbait in a general sense
What made him really townie? Because I'm only seeing shade on people attacking him.
In post 446, rosterfoster wrote:Also Skitter thanks for breaking up your posts. It brings warmth to my heart <3
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In post 440, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 333, Elbirn wrote:Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?
But he's kind of trying to do it on the sly? Also recently fake-hammers have sounded townie, but he's doing a fake intent, which to me feels scum
???? how is he doing it on the sly? he literally demanded that someone claim within the next 24 horus because he wanted to hammer them; that's like brazen/blunt/upfront/idk the right word but like the exact opposite of sly

like where do you see 'on the sly' from; that's so completely different from how i read his tone that i'm just ??? confused where you got this read from
I mean trying to do innocently by intenting rather than just looking for a claim. IDK probably wrong word.
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In post 349, skitter30 wrote:b) insomnia's like .... really really townie and his push on ym is entirely consistent with how he views mafia and mislynches and lynchbait in a general sense
What made him really townie? Because I'm only seeing shade on people attacking him.
his posts just ... have a ridiculously townie tone - push and transparent and 'i don't give a fuck about how i'm viewed for pushing this' - and everything he's doing tracks with the mafia philosphy he's espousing; his actions follow his thoughts; what he's doing makes sense as a holistic, real thought process.

show me an example of 'throwing shade on people attacking him?'
was the most recent example.
In post 445, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.

Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

So I want to lynch in those three today. I've been kind of town-reading Elbirn so Insomnia or Engima.
a) have you played in many games with insomnia before
b) bolded: no
c) why are yo townreading elbirn?
d) enigma and insomina have been on opposing sides of an argument so ending with 'i want to lynch one of those two' is meh; it feels kidna like you're leaving yourself room to vote enigma if that picks up steam
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a - kind of, ongoing stuff and also his alts make it confusing.
c - the anger was real
d - yeah I mean I am. If there was a reason for that picking up steam, it might convince me.
FAILED ATTEMPT AT BUSSING ALERT! MISSION FAILED, WE'LL GET IT NEXT TIME!
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In post 518, rosterfoster wrote:I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.
In post 519, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah let's do this.

VOTE: Skitter
In post 522, rosterfoster wrote:Oh tris I was shading you there not skitter :P.

VOTE: Tris
In post 604, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Skiier
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When you placed your vote it was L-3 and you made it L-2 and um no, these posts are all of your interactions with skitter.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #155) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:24 pm

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Post Post #857 (isolation #156) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:27 pm

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Your -> sequence refutes your "I started her wagon". That was a legit mistake that you're now using to clear yourself lmao. The fact that you're not admitting that it was a mistake is also randscum as you're trying to get towncred. Town wouldn't be afraid to claim that. You are in a precarious spot so now you grasp on anything you can.
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Post Post #858 (isolation #157) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:28 pm

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VOTE: rosterfoster

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Post Post #861 (isolation #158) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:32 pm

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We're about to clear you from people's scum poe xD
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Post Post #864 (isolation #159) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:58 pm

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In post 863, rosterfoster wrote:Insomnia that wasn't a mistake? Tris misunderstood it and I felt like it might be scum wishful thinking. Doesn't mean I didn't scumread Skitter.
So let me get this straight. You thought Skitter was scum and when you voted her, Tris voted skitter as well. You're saying you scum read skitter, so why was tris' vote a concern for you? If you say it was scum wishful thinking, then wouldn't that clear town? So you can't say you scum read skitter and then vote for her voters based on "scum wishful thinking".

Wait, what was there to misunderstand?

you have stated "i was shading you there, not skitter" .

so if you think tris is scum, then skitter should be town.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #160) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:01 am

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How did you make it appear as a legit option again? Point to specific posts, other than that pocketing thing that was made when she was getting heat.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #161) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:11 am

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In post 891, rosterfoster wrote:It’s not really inconsistent with the fact that I thought (and still do) that Volxen is a better lynch.

But if I’m getting wagoned then it’s probably better if I’m on a counterwagon rather than a vanity vote.
Why is that?
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Post Post #895 (isolation #162) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:36 am

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So if someone starts a vanity wagon instead of hopping on their counter wagon, what would that mean to yu?
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Post Post #897 (isolation #163) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:42 am

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That was not my question.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #164) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:51 am

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Let’s assume I’m scum. If I am at L-1 let’s say and there’s a counterwagon on player X and I vote player Y who isn’t a wagon, what do you think of player X in this situation?
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Post Post #902 (isolation #165) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:56 am

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Good. We got somewhere.

Now, replace me with Skitter in that scenario. Player X is Baezu. Player Y is tris.

What do you think about your case on Volxen now?
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Post Post #913 (isolation #166) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:12 pm

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I’ll have to re-check Ofrhz iso to see if from enigma’s pov, ofrhz would’ve pushed him today

Other than that pretty terrible defence of YM, his other posts seemed town. But I can’t accuse people for being wrong on mafia mechanical play. Unless ym flips scum.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #167) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:24 pm

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VOTE: Baezu

She isn’t interested in getting out of a lynch today and it feels like she doesn’t want to point to her scum buds at this point.

This is L-1
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Post Post #925 (isolation #168) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:51 pm

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Huh
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Post Post #927 (isolation #169) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:52 pm

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You just shot town lmao
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Post Post #929 (isolation #170) » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:53 pm

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So is this twilight now or does he just flip and we go on with the day

Cuz if that’s the case then

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #941 (isolation #171) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:02 am

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So you baited
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Post Post #947 (isolation #172) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:07 am

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Just shoot roster and lynch baezu ezclap
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Post Post #951 (isolation #173) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:10 am

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VOTE: Baezu
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Be my guest
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Post Post #957 (isolation #175) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:13 am

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I’m lynchproof \O/
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I’m bulletproof \o/
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Post Post #961 (isolation #177) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:17 am

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I lulled you into a false sense of security! Haha!
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Post Post #963 (isolation #178) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:17 am

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We don’t need a claim, that’s scum

Inb4 we just hammered a cop
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Post Post #966 (isolation #179) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:25 am

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I have the power of Town of Salem meta by my side, lynch regardless of a role claim

With a role claim, all the suspicious things that the accused person has done are suddenly forgotten and people go “We don’t lynch this today”

Read the actions of a player and his words.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #180) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:45 am

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In post 970, Invisibility wrote:you guys are so freaking stupid
I’ll quote this tomorrow as well after the flip
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Post Post #987 (isolation #181) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:06 am

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Nah
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #182) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:51 am

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In post 962, Enigma wrote:nice waiting for a claim :facepalm:
In post 970, Invisibility wrote:you guys are so freaking stupid
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #183) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:53 am

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I don't think roster is scum here, so I must say I'm quite disappointed with your town game roster.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #184) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 am

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2 of the scum players kissed my ass, do I have to ISO check for a third and it's a game solve ? :lol:

I'm just kidding by the way, this joke would've sounded less funny if I used another word. I genuinely believe skitter and baezu made the right move to tr me this early though, if you would've caught me in my usual insomnia type of game play, I would've defended skittles for defending me, but I am aware that scum will use this in a game with me so that's why I was reluctant to get her off a lynch and push someone else. If you're scum, just sheep me and call me beautiful and you have a 90% chance of getting to LyLo kappa
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #185) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:58 am

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Now, who the fuck would frame my chicken nuggets? they are better eaten than lynched, what is wrong with scum players
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #186) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:00 am

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Happy birthday!
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #187) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:03 am

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VOTE: MariaR

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Post Post #1014 (isolation #188) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:03 am

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Vedith, wanna submit that PM and shoot inviz?
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #189) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:04 am

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Last scum in between Inviz and Maria, we can end this in a single day.
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #190) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:07 am

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Volxen is the mvp
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #191) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:24 am

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People that are on the Inviz wagon should be on Maria. Here's why:

The night kill gives everything away. Volxen is a low activity poster and there's no reason to take him out, unless you feel like he is going to suspect you after the flip.

Here's what scum lost the chance at by killing Volxen : Shading roster of being maf

Anyone that wants to throw suspicion on somebody knows that this is the rational move to make. Keep volxen alive. Roster looked hella bad post-flip.

So, the conclusion is that scum were afraid volxen was going to out them if he was kept alive. And then you check volxen's iso and notice his case is revolved around the fact that Baezu put maria as a scum lean but agreed she should be a protected by a PR on the first night, although he called her scum.

There's no reason for a scum to kill Volxen in this scenario, unless volxen poked in the right spot. Scum!Maria made a trade-off, kill volxen but you can't lynch roster. It would've made no sense to kill volxen in here if we're talking about anyone other than the people that he suspected. I'm sure anyone in here wouldn't kill Volxen because they know he's a low poster and he doesn't have a huge impact on the game because of that.

So, the nk was made because Volxen found last scum. Miss Maria over here, to be precise.

Sheep me my dear friends, game's solved.
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #192) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:25 am

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In post 995, tris wrote:Seems like a possible kill from any scum.
bad analysis
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #193) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:26 am

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In post 994, Elbirn wrote:What team shoots volxen
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #194) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:27 am

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In post 997, Elbirn wrote:Okay but people do things for reasons

I'll read later I wanna enjoy my before work time outside
Precisely. I like Elbirn.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #195) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:01 pm

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In post 1026, Elbirn wrote:VOTE: Invisibility

Must be one scum in the hood
Let me be dumb I'll be smart later
Ah jeez
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #196) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:49 pm

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It seems we are at an impasse. Let the battle of wits begin!

If Volxen nailed the whole scum team, there would be a motive of concern for the scums. Therefore, there’s no reason to check someone that you will later kill anyway. He nailed skitter scum and baezu. Why would you role check someone that is pushing you? It’s a waste given that you’ll be forced into nking them anyway if they are suspecting you.

1v1 me elbirn, we will see who is victorius in this battle of intellect!
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #197) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:52 pm

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I’m conftown, if you oppose me I shall policy you for not embracing dictatorship! Lock this man in a dungeon and throw the key in the Mediterranean Sea!
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #198) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:56 pm

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Moreover, if I am correct, I shall repost the “kid with hoodie behind ears” vine to flex on you! You don’t want to take this humiliating defeat, I presume
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #199) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:08 pm

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In post 1041, Vedith wrote:I think I'm going to vote you, Insomnia.
You can’t vote death tunnel god are you insane?

The fact that I have to obvtown after I pushed baezu that hard is fucking nuts

Matia is voting for a day vig claim :lol:
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