Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[mastina]

Like even counting a hydra game.
Including a one which is questionable on how much I participated.
In fact I've got a few of those.
More than I'd care to admit.
This is one of the few I didn't flake on.

The list is quite short.
It does have some entries tho.
About an even spread alignment-wise, too.
More town than not tho.
Quite infamous games, too.
Ones which have even been referenced.
And others not so much.
This one's the aforementioned Tales of You, by the way; go check out the latter half in particular. Page 3, give or take a little.
...I mean if you discard some of the hydra ones where I made like 1/100th of the posts rather than a more even amount you'd get under ten. But guess it's a bit more than I thought.


Btw, not a multi-page iso, but highly readable yet relevant comparison to this game. Shortish, but read the latter half of the iso in particular, from D2 onward, when the bullshit happened.

[mastina]

(Start from here, more specifically; it...should start sounding familiar REAL quick.)

[mastina]

Butyeah with the triple-iso (which incidentally nets me the spot of second-highest poster this game since Morality + Flavor Leaf = less than that), I'll be leaving now.

[mastina]

Now, my 2 main scumreads as stated as A50/Mastina would anyone like to tell me what makes A50 so towny to them?

Would anyone like to explain how I'm scum with Almost50 when I'm the largest fucking proponent of him being scum?

the only character with any sort of flirtatious traits is nozomi. even then she's only shown perversion towards girls i believe.

Correct. My N2 roleblock power is literally flavored off of her groping girls.

I told my neighborhood at the start of the game.
"I got the only powers possible for my character."

Nozomi Tojo is literally defined by two notable things; her groping of her girls (since she flirts with them a ton, but has her heart set on Elli-chi <3), and her love of tarot cards.

She's flirtatious, but not to guys; it's only to girls, but she's the waifu of Elli-chi. <3

[mastina]

vedith wasn't a standard role block. I can see a standard role block coexisting on the same team as their silence effect.

Neither is mine.
Mine has both those gates I mentioned.
Female-only, and it only works once on them; once roleblocking a player, I can never again roleblock that player.

[mastina]

mastina i see youre not commenting on my cc

What's there to comment on?
Torque confirmed I visited him, and that you visited him. I know I targeted him with the tarot card and he said the power he got matched the card.

so is the power torque received yours or mine?

That's not something I'm in the position to answer, now, is it? I don't even know what my cards do, only that they help if upright and hurt if reversed.

[mastina]

I was actually thinking mastina telling me twice A50's non-mafia-slip/town-spew was pretty wolfy when i re-read during the night.

Yeah fuck that shit.

It wasn't fucking town.

Don't fucking pretend it was.

Because I guarantee you.

It.
Wasn't.
Fucking.
Town.

And when you fucking lose the game to Almost50 because of it.

You have nobody to fucking blame for it except yourself.

[mastina]

I'm more inclined to believe a50 is town and mastina can't allow there to be more "obvious town" players

Also fuck that shit.

Look at any scumgame of mine.

I gave you the fucking list of them.

See what I do to shut down obvious town players.

...Or rather.

...See how I don't do it?

...Yeah there's a damn fucking good reason; because it's not something I fucking do.

I am pushing Almost50 because he's fucking scum.
Not because I don't want him to be town.
Because. he. is. a. fucking. scumbag.

[mastina]

yep Wisdom would know better as town. Almost has been obvscum forever

[mastina]

and if we lynch mastina and she's actually town, we both fucked up, ok, wisdom?

Yes.

Because there's no fucking scumbuddy that works for me.

AND YOU FUCKING ACKNOWLEDGE AS MUCH.

[mastina]

I'd lynch Elena before them still

Elena.
The person I AM STILL FUCKING VOTING.
WHO IS STILL FUCKING VOTING ME.

You'd lynch.

Like I said.

She doesn't fucking work as being my scumbuddy.

[mastina]

Who else is there

If mastina is scum, you're never flipping scum, a50 is never flipping scum
joan isn't scum, pink ball is lock, reasonably psychotic got blocked by robert
what, that just leaves elena and chito yuuri
if mastina flips scum this game is on lock

That's the fucking problem.

YOU JUST FUCKING OUTLINED WHY I AM TOWN.

I am fucking advocating for Elena's fucking lynch.
You fucking just GAVE reasons why Chito and Yuuri aren't scum.

YOU GAVE REASONS WHY THE TWO FUCKING PEOPLE I "COULD" BE SCUM WITH AREN'T FUCKING SCUM.

SO IF THEY AREN'T FUCKING SCUM.
AND THEY AREN'T MY FUCKING SCUMBUDDIES AS A RESULT.
AND THEY ARE THE ONLY POSSIBLE SCUMBUDDIES FOR ME.

WHAT THE FUCK.
IS THE OBVIOUS FUCKING CONCLUSION FROM THAT, TORQUE?

[mastina]

Wisdom, if mastina flips town, we'll tell joan we fucked up

No.

Not fucking good enough.

You fucking lynch Almost50 if you lynch me.

You.
fucking.
owe.
ME.
No fucking less than that.

Because your fucking failure in logic.
Is just that fucking atrocious a mistake.

[mastina]

VOTE: mastina
Just so I can end this shitfest and so I'd get to say 'I told you so'. T.T

No.
Stay on target. <3

[mastina]

Who else is there
If mastina is scum, you're never flipping scum, a50 is never flipping scum
joan isn't scum, pink ball is lock, reasonably psychotic got blocked by robert
what, that just leaves elena and chito yuuri
if mastina flips scum this game is on lock

That's the fucking problem.

YOU JUST FUCKING OUTLINED WHY I AM TOWN.

I am fucking advocating for Elena's fucking lynch.
You fucking just GAVE reasons why Chito and Yuuri aren't scum.

YOU GAVE REASONS WHY THE TWO FUCKING PEOPLE I "COULD" BE SCUM WITH AREN'T FUCKING SCUM.

SO IF THEY AREN'T FUCKING SCUM.
AND THEY AREN'T MY FUCKING SCUMBUDDIES AS A RESULT.
AND THEY ARE THE ONLY POSSIBLE SCUMBUDDIES FOR ME.

WHAT THE FUCK.
IS THE OBVIOUS FUCKING CONCLUSION FROM THAT, TORQUE?

This needs particular emphasis.
I have no fucking possible scumbuddies if I were scum.
So.

how the fuck is the game on lock. If you can't name a viable scumteam?

You gave the fucking reasons why Chito and Yuuri aren't scum.

You fucking KNOW the one and fucking ONLY reason I saved Elena yesterday was due to her role which I made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD that I was fucking lynching her today, and she's trying to lynch me today.

You.
Honestly.
Fucking.
Think.

FORE ONE FUCKING SEFCOND.

THAT IS A SCUMTEAM.

Go rtot in hell.

[mastina]

Fuck this bullshit the mod just fucking warned me.

I'm fucking done.

[mastina]

I'm mentally not ready to deal with the inevitable incoming walls aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If you weren't (bleeped because bleep the mod) prepared for them.

Then you shouldn't have (bleeped because bleep the mod) cast the vote.

Because no (bleeped because bleep the mod)(bleeped because bleep the mod) I'm going to (bleeped because bleep the mod) respond.

I'm barely avoiding a modkill as is.

Just (bleeped because bleep the mod) everything about this (bleeped because bleep the mod) game.

[mastina]

AND YES I REALLY DID GET (bleeped because bleep the mod) WARNED BY THE MOD WHICH IS ABSOLUTE (bleeped because bleep the mod) BULL(bleeped because bleep the mod) BECAUSE I HAVE DAMN (bleeped because bleep the mod) GOOD REASON TO BE TICKED OFF RIGHT NOW.

I have made STRONG (bleeped because bleep the mod) reasons.
Why I am not (bleeped because bleep the mod) scum.

STRONG REASONS.
THAT.
NOBODY.
HAS.
(bleeped because bleep the mod)
COUNTERED.

I have GIVEN the proof I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) town.
And I've laid it out.

So this absolutely should not be (bleeped because bleep the mod) happening.

[mastina]

your reasons are just worthless selfmeta nobody cares about

No they (bleeped because bleep the mod) aren't.

Self-meta plays a (bleeped because bleep the mod) part in it because HEY THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS (bleeped because bleep the mod) IMPORTANT TO ME (AND HAVE I MENTIONED HOW (bleeped because bleep the mod) PISSED I AM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE MOD IS (bleeped because bleep the mod) LIMITING MY ABILITY TO ACTUALLY PROPERLY DEFEND MYSELF) BECAUSE META IS ONE OF MY LARGEST (bleeped because bleep the mod) SCUMHUNTING TOOLS.

But I've given strong reasons BEYOND that.

Don't (bleeped because bleep the mod) pretend I haven't.

There's a strong case to be made from my (bleeped because bleep the mod) actions.
How I've handled everything throughout the game.
What I've (bleeped because bleep the mod) said.
What I've (bleeped because bleep the mod) done.
What I've (bleeped because bleep the mod) NOT done.

What the scum have (bleeped because bleep the mod) that I wouldn't.
What the scum did (bleeped because bleep the mod) do.
Including WHY THE SCUM (bleeped because bleep the mod) KNOW THAT I SHOULD BY ALL RIGHTS BE (bleeped because bleep the mod) CONFTOWN. WHICH I CAN'T (bleeped because bleep the mod) TALK ABOUT MORE THAN I ALREADY (bleeped because bleep the mod) HAVE.

The absolute (bleeped because bleep the mod) lack of a coherent scumteam involving me.

People present scumteams that include me, but do they actually (bleeped because bleep the mod) fit?
With ONE (bleeped because bleep the mod) IOTA OF ANALYSIS.
SELF-EVIDENTLY.
THEY (bleeped because bleep the mod) DON'T.

AND EVERYONE WOULD (bleeped because bleep the mod) KNOW IT IF THEY GAVE IT SO MUCH AS A SINGLE (bleeped because bleep the mod) MOMENT'S THOUGHT.

[mastina]

yep they fit
I explained why chito/yuuri are your buddy

Yeah...from interactions EXCLUSIVELY from this (bleeped because bleep the mod) day phase.

You know.

The one that Chito and Yuuri have less than 24 hours' worth of contribution to?

You know.

The one where they have been (bleeped because bleep the mod) prodded because they've been (bleeped because bleep the mod) inactive?

You know.

The one where they have been given less than two (bleeped because bleep the mod) days to give content in?

And ignored GAME-LONG (bleeped because bleep the mod) history beyond that.

[mastina]

You see all this exaggerated anger and frustration? Its made up.
Do you see any of that when
town mastina is lynched?
nope

Yeah you just picked the wrong (bleeped because bleep the mod) battle to fight. Want proof?

I already gave it.

[mastina]

t=44160&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=12314&user_select%5B%5D=23121&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go]This one's the aforementioned Tales of You, by the way[/url]; go check out the latter half in particular. Page 3, give or take a little.
...I mean if you discard some of the hydra ones where I made like 1/100th of the posts rather than a more even amount you'd get under ten. But guess it's a bit more than I thought.

Btw, not a multi-page iso, but highly readable yet relevant comparison to this game. Shortish, but read the latter half of the iso in particular, from D2 onward, when the bullshit happened.

Want me to quote from that game?

Oh I (bleeped because bleep the mod) will.

[mastina]

This one's the aforementioned Tales of You, by the way; go check out the latter half in particular. Page 3, give or take a little.
...I mean if you discard some of the hydra ones where I made like 1/100th of the posts rather than a more even amount you'd get under ten. But guess it's a bit more than I thought.
Btw, not a multi-page iso, but highly readable yet relevant comparison to this game. Shortish, but read the latter half of the iso in particular, from D2 onward, when the bullshit happened.

(Start from here, more specifically; it...should start sounding familiar REAL quick.)

Too lazy to click the links?

Let me show you. Subject: Comparative Religion Mafia GAME OVAH

You're right, it's the reverse, that if targeting happens during resolution, it's a reflexive doctor.

Which for all I know is how the role works. I can't tell you what it does exactly. I can't tell you why UT designed it that way. All I can tell you is what is, quite explicitly, right there.

Don't think about the setup spec too hard. Mastin is just not playing like shes town right now.

VOTE: AngryPidgeon.

This is my townplay.
THROUGH AND THROUGH.

Townplay.

You

know

it is, AP.

I can't fake confusion.
I can't fake most of what I've done this game.

Like, when I'm scum.
I'll go, "hmm. That doesn't make sense. Maybe it was this." Like, flat, dead delivery of things I either know to be lies or know to be truth. And typically when saying the truth, having confidence behind it. That it happened that way, not this way. I'll have a precise narrative in mind.
Key word,

precise

. I'll have a locked down idea. The idea doesn't work, I've meticulously got a backup plan. And a plan for that backup plan not panning out. And for that one. I run through my list, and I do so robotically, pretty much. There's a lack of emotions behind it. There's a lack of actual effort in my actions, as the most effort I have to do as scum is to spin a plausible narrative and then, bam, I've left it at that.

But you KNOW that I've not done that.
You KNOW that's not what I've done, not even remotely, this game.
YOU KNOW.
BETTER THAN DAMN FREAKIN ANYBODY ELSE.

There is

zero

aspects of my scumplay this game.
ZERO.
None.

Like. As scum. I will cheekily say, "Yeah, there's that aspect of my scumgame in here, but I swear I'm town!" (Kinda my signature style as scum by this point, though I do a less-flat and more-genuine version as town which is akin to, "I realized that you've seen that aspect as coming from me-as-scum, but...it's not". The literal arguments the same, the tonality behind them nothing alike.)

But there is none.

The closest.
LITERALLY FREAKIN CLOSEST.
THING THAT COMES.
TO MY SCUMPLAY.
IS THIS POST RIGHT HERE VOTING YOU IN AN OMGUS.

Because. It doesn't exist. There's been no masterful plan.
There's been no order.
No cohesion.
No plotting.
No manipulating.
No misdirection.
No tone-death flat posting.
Nothing.

No. aspect.
Whatsoever.
Of my scumgame.

And you're claiming.
That I'm not playing my towngame at all.

Bullshit.

Subject: Comparative Religion Mafia GAME OVAH

I never said I was sure you were scum. I said there are 3 scum in a pool of 5 and nothing you've posted is town enough to get you into my town group.

WHICH.
IS.
THE.
SAME.
FREAKIN.
THING.
AS.
SCUMREADING.
ME.

A town-AP might have a not-obvtown-Mastin (or, heck, even an obvtown-but-could-be-scumobvtowning-Mastin) in the lower towns. Not fully locked down on a read of me, yet. Not overly concerned, though, about my alignment, trusting me just enough for me to be given a townread pass. ESPECIALLY when I'm town.

Yet here, I'm in the opposite: carelessly discarded into the scum pile. In spite of being obvtown.

MORE THAN THAT.
More than that.

Your explanation here is also bullshit, because YOU.
FLAT-OUT.
OFFERED.
TO.
PUT.
ME.
AT.
L. FREAKIN. ONE.

That's not only placing me in the potential scum candidates...
THAT'S. ACTIVELY. TRYING. TO. LYNCH. ME. AS. A. SCUMREAD.

No second-guessing?
No looking at my actions?
No thinking about the motive behind them?
The mindset driving them?
More than that...not seeing the tone in them?

No.

A town-AP against a scuMastin is able to instantly pick up on these things...and then pushes them through.
A scum-AP pushing a town Mastin is going to always play it by ear...but in a case like this one, is going to force a waffle and lack commitment, lack conviction, because he's well aware that if he pushes me hardcore, it's going to be a scumclaim from him. If he chooses to scumread me, he needs to have it build over time.

Which is.
Exactly.
What.
You.
Are.
Doing.

Subject: Comparative Religion Mafia GAME OVAH

mastin doesn't seem to have realized that this explanation doesn't fit the NAR of this game until I point it out deep in page 2.

(Which, again. is, uh. Kinda a towntell for me.
A scuMastin isn't immune to making errors about how actions resolve.
But I am very.
VERY.
Good at it as scum.
A LOT of my scum wins are by making plans and executing them solidly...including claims involved.

For instance, you can see it in Attack on Titan. I pointed out things about Pasch's claim. I knew what was involved...and when I didn't, I asked the mod. The scum QT shows me meticulously planning every aspect of that, and how to use it and point things in a direction that'd keep Pasch alive for as long as possible.)

$50 says mastin2 still has me as a stronger scumread than angrypidgon.

Honestly, my vote on AP is more to make a statement than anything, because you're actually right; it's implosion > Bacde > AP right now.

Subject: Comparative Religion Mafia GAME OVAH

I can imagine various scenarios in which scum!mastin thought she could get away with this; the simplest being that she planned to claim that she was roleblocked, not realizing the game had an unusual NAR (notice that

no one

appears to have noticed this).

Except that scuMastin explicitly picks up on details like that.

I do NOT.
NOT.
Fakeclaim as scum.
Out of the blue.

Least of all.
LEAST of all.
Something that isn't explicitly from my role PM.

Also shes saying that there is no way she is scum because if she was scum we wouldnt be on to her. Lol, is that really your defense?

Yes. Explicitly. Because it's the truth. And anyone.
ANYONE.

Who has played against a scuMastin.
In the last two years.

KNOWS it.

I'm really not buying the whole, "If I were scum I'd be playing better" argument, and she looks really flail-y citing it so much.

Except it's true. As scum, you would never know I was scum like this.

You catch a scuMastin? It's from the things I said.
It's from reading play.
It's from looking at actions.
And realizing that they don't make sense coming from a town mindset.
Combined with a flat tone.

Every scum lynch of mine.
EVERY.

Scum lynch.
Of mine.
Has been off of that.

Attack on Titan. 172. L4D. (Though that one was by my design.) These are NOT games where I made a mistake. These are NOT games where I showed off self-meta. (Okay, so I did some in L4D, but mostly just in address to those already using meta. "This is a weird mastin" "Yes, it is, but it's intentional".) These are games where I was playing the long con. These are games.

Where I quite explicitly.
Had.
A.
Damn.
Plan.

Not some vague plan.
Not some plan that was filled with holes.
A goddamn specific plan. Tight-nit. Ironed shut. Rock-solid, airtight, which could go off almost without a hitch. In spite of the lynch on me. (172 didn't get the plan executed, though it existed.)
And that planning process also contributed to the wins in Paranoia, in Anything Goes, and basically every single scum game I've recently played. I laid out the path to victory...and won once said path was realized.

What would have gone wrong here to result in this?
I might not possess omnipotence as scum. But to get caught on something like that?

No.

Damn right it's flailing. But it could not be any more town-motivated flailing.
And you are all going to look so incredibly stupid when I flip town, 'cause you'll realize that the case against me was entirely based off of things that I have no answer for. Not just no answer, no possible answer for.
In my position, you'd be doing the same thing. You'd be flailing. Because you wouldn't know. Because you'd be confused. Because you wouldn't have an answer, wouldn't have a clue what was going on.

Tell me. Flat-out tell me after I flip town. That in my shoes, you'd play differently. I dare you. DARE. you. To say you wouldn't be struggling. Trying. To figure it out. And be frustrated. That everyone is calling you scum. And you know that if not for your role PM, you'd be agreeing with them.

This is why I am incredibly cautious of scumhunting by roles and not by play. Because this is my townplay. Through-and-through. You can look at any scumgame of mine recently and tell it's not this. You can look at any towngame of mine recently and tell it's PRECISELY this. (Especially egregious is AP, who saw this similar flailing in his micro...thus why I think he's scum.) Off of play. I look town because I am town. Off of play. There is essentially no case on me at all. (Aside from flailing which...is explicitly not because of my play, and is entirely tied to the confusion.) Off of my damned play. If people put aside the roles. Put aside the flailing from dealing with them. And looked at my damn play. They'd see it as town. Heck, they had been! Kagami did, too. Because my play has been town.

Implosion's hasn't been.
Bacde's I'm strongly thinking hasn't been.
And now, I'm thinking AP's not, either.
But because you're so freaking determined to lynch me, I won't have the time to nail down that AP read for sure.

I'm going to default to assuming that you are allowing yourself to be wagon ed and tthese walls are your way of gracefully bowing out as maf.

Hey.
AP.

If you're town.
(I'm thinking not.)

Guess what.

You just lost your position in the 'can read me' club.
Not just for misreading me when this is my townplay through-and-through.
But for thinking that this.
Is something.

I would ever.
EVER.

Do.

As mafia.

Because if you seriously think that I would do these things as mafia?

You know nothing about me

.
(Fortunately, I am of the opinion that you're not town and thus haven't lost your touch. Because it's explicitly NOT on my end this game. There is literally no way I could be more town by play alone than I have been this game.)

Want more?

I can give you more!

Let's look at the other game, Tales of You!
Subject: Tales of You (Endgame)

And look. Nearly nine. Six+ hours. Tired, hungry, need to use the bathroom, and really.
Fucking.
Sick.

You know it's bad when your lurker of a hydra partner tells you that you need a break.
Soyeah. I'm probably done for the day.

Subject: Tales of You (Endgame)

NOW IM POSTING IT TO TRY AND MAKE A CASE FOR YOU. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

The thing "wrong" with me is my town wincon not allowing me to be blinded by being WK'ed.

IVE BEEN GETTING FLAK FOR MY TOWNREAD OF YOU AND IT WAS HUGELY BASED ON YOU

FUCKING ME OVER

IN THAT SCUM GAME BY LURKING LIKE A FUCK.

Coincidentally, Nacho made this same point. About how he got flak for his townread of me, and bluntly demanding why he'd do that as scum.

BUT NO YOU HAVE TO ALIENATE THE ONE FUCKING PERSON WILLING TO STEP UP TO BAT FOR YOU AND NITPICK THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING I DO AND POST BULLSHIT LIKE
"IM HAVING A HARD TIME EXPLAINING MY AP READ THIS GAME" INTERMIITENTLY.

Yes. Because while I want you to be town, oh so badly, it's not what I'm reading. I'll fully admit that there's some bias in there. But every reset I do. Every time I take another look. I still see scum.

so you'd back the fuck down as scum. what did you do here? back the fuck down and never poke at him again. makes sense

What the fuck?

NO I FUCKING DIDN'T. YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CASE AGAINST ME WAS THAT I DIDN'T FUCKING BACK DOWN. That is literally. FUCKING LITERAL GOD-DAMNED TO THE WORD. Your fucking case. (And Nacho's, for that matter.) That I didn't back down. I have been going out of my fucking way to point out exactly why I haven't back down, and also made it really fucking clear exactly what a scum me would do being a backing down.

I don't buy your "noise is detrimental to scum" bullshit and it makes sense you'd say that in order to detract attention from what you're trying to do

Fuck you, you little shithead. TRhat psiot hwas made with me being as pure as I fucking can be you absolute asshole. I meant every fiucking weord of it.,

Want more?
I can find more!

Those're just two towngames; I've raged in plenty more than them!

[mastina]

Yeah...from interactions EXCLUSIVELY from this (bleeped because bleep the mod) day phase.

false

Oh? Do tell then.
What about Chito and Yuuri's treatment of me--which was largely (bleeped because bleep the mod) negative--yesterday.

Was used by you?

[mastina]

Chito and Yuuri's iso, my name highlighted.

In particular, you can read from this point.

3720, 3733, 3736, 3927, and just as importantly as those posts, my responses to them.

[mastina]

and just as importantly as those posts, my responses to them.

I'm about 3000% more concerned about the fact that you claimed you didn't think it was a hammer than that you actually hammered.

Doesn't matter.
It's the truth.
I didn't think I hammered.

I don't lie as scum, so that is a statement which is true regardless of my alignment.

I didn't know it was, period. End of discussion.

Talk to Cerb, talk to Joan, talk to anyone who has played with me on whether I lie as scum; they'll tell you the same thing I will.
I firmly believe the truth is the best weapon of scum. Lies stand out, and can be picked up by the town. But if you're telling the truth, your sincerity and genuineness shines through--weapons you can turn into townreads on your slot.

I didn't know it was a hammer, but I don't really care that it was.

I don't know why you would forget our vote was still on Gamma, and then all the votes to L-1 were basically right next to each other on 160... you knew what you were doing.

To the contrary.

No, I didn't know about your vote; I thought you were one of the ones that moved to Almost50.
No, I didn't count the exact number of votes; I saw people moving, and lots of people at that, and that was good enough for me.

I didn't think I was hammering Gamma, but honestly I don't care.

I made it clear I'd vote Gamma if Almost50 wasn't happening.
Almost50 wasn't going to happen.

You're surprised at the logical conclusion of that?

You shouldn't be.

Because if one thing has been made clear about me.

It's that I fucking do exactly what I promise to do.

I promised I'd vote whichever of Almost50 and Gamma Emerald had more momentum.

Gamma Emerald had more momentum.

Am I missing something here

Yes, you are.

Why would a modkill on scum make you 'fucking ticked off' as town?

Well for a start, a modkill rather than a lynch prevented me from giving further interactions that would've proven I'm not scum with SuperfluousNinja, but more to the point, it wasn't JUST the modkill.

It was the modkill, in tandem with being pushed as scum

after

the modkill when the modkill should've made it abundantly clear I was town.

In that game, mastina simply updates her reads list a lot, but she doesn't make these long wallposts over-analyzing every movement of her reads list.

You have to understand two key factors.
1: Steven Universe 2 represented a shift in the way I played. It was the transition from mastin2 to mastina--and there is a deeply personal reason for this shift, actually, one which I can discuss over PMs but won't discuss in person. There's something unique about mastina that wasn't present on mastin2...but Steven Universe 2 represented the first time that this thing began to appear. (Basically, there was a gigantic shift in playstyle happening over the course of that game. At the beginning, I was mastin2; by the end, I was mastina.)

2: I only started the long wallposts after the SuperfluousNinja modkill,

in tandem

with people then being suspicious of ME after it.

If that was absent.

I wouldn't be making the long wallposts.

What you see here is the result of something I fucking KNOW is self-destructive and usually stay away from doing--but because

I am fucking pissed

, I stopped caring about it being self-destructive.

My D1 play?
Normal me.
My D2 play?
Not

as

normal of me, but still

close

to my normal me.
My D3 play prior to the modkill?
Normal me.

My D3 play post-modkill?

Fucking ticked off.

Going to rewind for a bit to go back here:

Chito: you get that no one is going to take you self-metaing an argument that you're not proactive as scum seriously when you spend every other post saying you can do literally anything as scum right

It's not a useless point, though.
It's simple math.
I draw scum, on average, about 25% of my games. This is a hard fact, yes?
I am proactive in, at most, about 25% of my scumgames. This is something I just demonstrated, yes?
I am proactive in this game. You don't debate that, do you?

Well then what do you get when you crunch those numbers?

25% * 25% = 6.25% chance that I am scum who is proactive this game.

When you look at it that way, not so worthless to talk about, is it?

Mastina, you figured out who Joan was by your 8th post in the game. Are you saying you wouldn't have expected her to push Near x Mello at some point?

If I were scum then I'd expect her to push me.

The thought of her pushing Near x Mello never crossed my mind.

But I guarantee you that if I were scum that the thought she could push ME would occur to me.

Now picture Joan's current push on Near x Mello, except it's on me, and imagine scumastina's thoughts on the subject.

Thus.

Why she'd be a nightkill target.

Except no it isn't.

Except yes it is--the fact.
That I do this every fucking game.

Literally.

Go read any game of mine, see what I do there, you will find me doing it in every fucking game I every play.
A fact that everyone who has played with me can vouch for.

And most importantly of all--that I

believe

it, is all that matters.

It doesn't matter if you disagree with it personally.

The fact that I believe in it is what's important, because if I believe in it, and it should be pretty fucking obvious I do.

Then that's what matters.

It's not even kinda the "same principle"

Except it fucking is. I do it in literally every fucking game all the time because it is just so intuitive.

No, there isn't "always" a scum mastermind.

Sure, there isn't always a scum mastermind (not what I said), but there

almost

always is (what I did say).

what the fuck happened to role != alignment?

Role != alignment always applies; it is an argument that no role is inherently, in of itself, just by nature of being that role, a town role or a scum role.
Roles can be alignment indicative off of other factors, where role != alignment doesn't apply.
And when the co-kings of mechanical scumhunting both have reasons to suspect that there is a scum role that allows for the scumteam to view every single PT.
That is a damn good reason, because it is a factor other than the role in of itself. The role in a vacuum wouldn't be inherently town or scum; the role outside of the vacuum with the stimulus Drixx and Cerb see

would

be.

When both co-kings of mechanical play suggest the same thing, on their own, having reached the conclusion individually rather than together.
That's pretty compelling reasoning for it being something.

Roles never directly equal alignment.

To put it this way.

Let me put it in a simple example.

I am not going to call a roleblocker a scum role. I am probably right to not make that call because town roleblockers are common enough a role.

However, in a game with a town cop and a town doctor...when I see a roleblocker claim, I am going to be suspicious it is a scum roleblocker. And I am going to almost assuredly be right to make that call because of the setup.

Do you see the distinction between the two?

That is the difference here. Drixx and Cerb have setup-oriented reasons for believing Almost50's claimed role is a scum one--the equivalent of a roleblocker claiming when a town cop and town doc are known to exist in the game.

Well that's how you made it seem; what do you see in her posts that she liked?

I don't have the energy to explain this. But basically, there's a process there that strongly indicates a town mindset and thought pattern. It's difficult for me to describe when losing coherency.

There's just good reasons there.
The neighborhood can back me up there that I'm not bullshitting this.
Dunnstral and Torque both know what I'm referring to and singletonking would vouch in much the similar way (if not stronger than us; I believe he'd do it more than anyone else in fact).

3619: This post is actually kinda gross because you have edited 651 to make it seem like you were putting a lot of emphasis on Vedith when you also commented on pink ball and cerb.

I always highlight the relevant parts--yes, there are other parts that I cut out and yes there are other parts that I don't emphasize, but that's because I highlight the areas that are actually pertinent to my point. If I make a wallpost containing reads on every player, do you expect me when coming back to reference it to quote the entire thing, or just the part of it that I need?

...Precisely the same principle here.

I also don't get why you would PM the mod that you're second guessing a read? That's just weird

Multiple reasons.
1: at the time I wasn't sure I could trust my neighborhood with my thought processes. I certainly couldn't trust the main thread.
2: I felt like a dick pushing Pink Ball that way, and I wanted to record

why

I was pushing him that way--I wanted to have a record of, "this is why I am doing that; it serves a good purpose".
3: I am egotistical and like to record my thoughts.

I have an established track record of doing it in prior games as both alignments mind you. (Well, kinda sorta as scum. Not quite the same, but close enough.)

3630: 1 is wifomy bs, 2 is wifomy bs

Hey remember when I laughed at SuperfluousNinja for using that term and held a level of smugness for it?

There's damn good reason for it.

Because when I say I literally wrote the fucking book on WIFOM.

It's not Hyperbole.

Go read that and see if you can guess what I think of discrediting attempts because of "that's wifom".

Considering how Joan/Mastina played Story Revisited, overblown scum theater is like mastina scum 101.

It isn't.
That was specific coaching advice to Joan--I was trying to make her do in

that

game what she's done in

this

game.
Read Joan's posts in this game.

And that is what I was

trying

to make her due in that game.

It was something specific to her.
It was me specifically trying to manipulate

her

meta, her posting, so that she was in tune with her towngame.

I have no such experience with SuperfluousNinja.

So no.

Don't go calling overblown scum theater as scumastina 101 from one fucking example you don't fucking know the context of.

First of all, why the fuck does everyone assume there IS a scum mastermind?

Multiple reasons.
1: experience. There is almost always a scum mastermind.
2: Gut feeling. The signs of a scum mastermind feel like they are present.
3: The nightkills. The nightkills point towards a more conniving scum player.

Mastina, if you write a fucking post like 3654 again

I won't, because that was a result of broken code.
Read 3655 instead, where the tag was fixed.

Also, stop saying that Drixx and Cerb scumread A50 for "mechanical" reasons when there isn't an iota of fucking mechanics there

What's not mechanical about saying "Almost50 has a scum role cackling like a maniac" (more or less)?
That seems pretty blatant to me.

You're townreading Elena because she made you loved

Nope!

So giving Elena a "1 day pass" because she made you loved, which apparently is a big part of your argument, flies in the face of most of your own arguments.

It would if that were the actual reason; it is not.

In regard to your best points about A50, simply put, you yourself just modded Ballroom Blitz, where AP made passive unvote posts like: viewtopic.php?p=10700080#p10700080
But you are right that he does tend to *revote faster* even in Ballroom Blitz, and that he has been unusually passive this game.

Yes, that was my point.
Almost50 doesn't need to unvote and then immediately vote someone else.
But he does when unvoting need to not just

do nothing

with it.
And for that matter when voting to not just

do nothing

with it.

Yet here he is.

and never, ever use the "large" font size again please.

Maybe never judge a post that was broken into the large font only because of a fucking typo; the post is quite normal with that font error removed.

So.

What EXACTLY about these interactions.

Would be scum (bleeped because bleep the mod) scum interactions?

[mastina]

3630: 1 is wifomy bs, 2 is wifomy bs

Hey remember when I laughed at SuperfluousNinja for using that term and held a level of smugness for it?

There's damn good reason for it.

Because when I say I literally wrote the fucking book on WIFOM.

It's not Hyperbole.

Go read that and see if you can guess what I think of discrediting attempts because of "that's wifom".

Oh and by the way.

This is a (bleeped because bleep the mod) important point.

I literally was the one to redefine what WIFOM meant.

Not figuratively. Not hyperbole on writing the book. Literally, that was me.

No less than TWO people have made arguments against me of, "but that could be wifom".
One of them was Chito and Yuuri, the person I'm being (bleeped because bleep the mod) accused of being a scumbuddy of.

The other?

SuperfluousNinja.

Need I remind you how he (bleeped because bleep the mod) reacted?

In fact, let's do precisely that.

[mastina]

mastina, is C&Y scum?

No.

Which is why proving that I'm not (bleeped because bleep the mod) scum with them is so important.

Because proving I'm not scum with them (bleeped because bleep the mod) proves I'm not scum with

anyone

.

[mastina]

that statement by rp was awful. SN has barely been here to know which wagon is likely to go through

Scumchat's a thing.
Even if daychat isn't.
SuperfluousNinja replaced in during the night.
And has access to however much talk has happened in each and every PT they have access to.

If in scumchat.
Or, heck.
If in a neighborhood which SuperfluousNinja has access to.
It was discussed that Reasonably Psychotic is someone that people are suspicious of.

SuperfluousNinja would be well-informed of this fact.

Also, there's the chance that SuperfluousNinja simply is faking the amount of knowledge they possess, having read more than they have implied.

So yes.
SuperfluousNinja would be well aware of this fact.

This is basically pure WIFOM. If you come up with actual evidence and feel like actually talking to me rather than doing a hit and run like this, do let me know. And don’t forget to answer my questions to you also.

You know another reason why people jump onto wagons is because a player is actually guilty and multiple people figure that out. See how WIFOM really doesn’t work?

See how WIFOM really doesn’t work?

Boy oh boy you picked the wrong term to use, fella.

Wondering if I should drop the bombshell on that term right now or let it fall in suspense for a while.

Suffice to say,

I'm feeling quite smug at the moment in terms of that post.

Well I look forward to the post-game analysis when I can make it clear to you that this really is WIFOM. I don’t know why you’re pretending to know something that both of us know is not true.

Why haven’t you answered my questions yet?

Well I look forward to the post-game analysis when I can make it clear to you that this really is WIFOM. I don’t know why you’re pretending to know something that both of us know is not true.

Because I know something you do not know about WIFOM.
You think you know WIFOM well enough to argue it.
But I know something about WIFOM that you do not.

And what I know gives me a degree of smugness on the subject.

Does this have any relevance to the game, or are you just being a smartass about terminology? It better fucking not be the latter.

Because I know something you do not know about WIFOM.

What did you know about WIFOM that SN didn't know?
-Yuuri

3614: Mastina: "I'm not scum with Elena because Elena made me loved and this surprised me." -- kinda a weak and wifomy argument but I'm not really in love with mastina/elena scum team anyway
3630: 1 is wifomy bs, 2 is wifomy bs, and also you arguing you 'might have killed joan' is laughable but also irrelevant
3654: Ok. First of all, why the fuck does everyone assume there IS a scum mastermind? Scum have been getting destroyed this game so arguing that there is a scum mastermind calling the shots is frankly unsubstantiated wifom. There's no evidence that there is a scum mastermind, all we've seen so far is scum imploding. That's one of the main reasons I've been saying it's Gamma; Gamma's play largely matches the trajectory of a directionless, imploding scumteam. This insistence from everyone that there's a deepscum mastermind I think has related in some of the dumbest, worst pushes this game.

So why are these important?

Because.

scumastina is proven to be a coach.

scumastina coaches her scumbuddies, especially when she sees herself as being the IC (teaching role) of the scumteam.

Why are one proven scum's usage of the term wifom, and one "suspected" scum's usage of the term, important? (Also chito and yuuri use the term at other points, but not as importantly as here.)

I don't feel like spamming Mafia Discussion with 50 threads of articles I'm writing (since I'm doing a lot of mafia theory work), so smaller ones like this one will go in here.

Everything Is WIFOM

An answer to a buzzword.

Everyone knows what WIFOM is, right? "Scum wouldn't do that because that's what they

want

you to think!" Simultaneously, it is a logical fallacy--something to which a player can correctly call bullshit on--and yet also a buzzword, something which is an overused easy accusation to make against almost any argument. These two ideas exist in conflict, so which one can you trust to be accurate? Is WIFOM a legitimate accusation, or is WIFOM a ridiculous defense attempting to shut down a perfectly-reasonable view?

...As it turns out, the answer is both.

The reason for this is that the game of mafia in of itself is at its core a game of wifom.

Every

action in a game, you play the wifom game. "That post looks like it was made by town. The question is, was it made by scum who

wanted

it to look like town, or is it actually town?" "That post looks like it was made by scum. The question is, was it made by scum who couldn't help but make a scummy post, made by scummy town, or made by scum who wants us to think it's too scummy to be scum?" "That nightkill obviously incriminates this player. The question is, was it done by scum wanting to frame that player, or is that player simply scum?"

Each and every one of those can enter into a never-ending loop. "Scum could make this town-looking post and expect to be townread. But maybe they would expect us to think this, so they wouldn't make it if they were actually scum. But maybe that's what they WANT us to think, so they would make it." "Scum could make this scum-looking post. But maybe they knew that and wouldn't make it, thus it must be town. But maybe they

would

make it, relying on us thinking that." "This player is incriminated by the nightkill. But maybe that's what scum want us to think. Yet maybe because scum know we'd think that, they would do it anyway." And so on and so forth.

You can make anything into a wifom argument. Does this mean that WIFOM is inherently useless? Not necessarily. But for me, I separate WIFOM out into "good wifom" and "bad wifom". Good WIFOM is

thinking critically about the circumstances to figure out which action in the situation is more likely to apply

. An easy way to think about this is to look at the player(s) in question; does it look like they are actively trying to manipulate thoughts into one half in particular of the wifom argument, especially if that half is the one less likely to be by default true?

Bad WIFOM is

violating Ockham's Razor to dismiss an argument because scum COULD do something, ignoring whether they

would

.

Perhaps an easy way of comparing bad wifom versus good wifom is to look at the classical example of a criminal being chased by a cop. The criminal has a choice in paths between a dark alleyway where they have a 50% chance of escape and a lit passage where they will 100% be caught. If the cop chooses wrong, the criminal escapes. Good wifom would work by critically analyzing what the panicked crook is likely to think of in the heat of the situation.

Is it more likely for the crook to think, "Oh! Light! I should go that way in spite of it being more of a risk, because the cop will think I'll go into the dark and that means I can get a clean getaway!"
...Or is it more likely for the crook to think, "Oh! Darkness! Safety! If I go into the dark, then the cop won't be able to reliably pinpoint me!"

The answer in most situations will be the latter, because it is simpler and more primal. Most criminals are not masterminds who think of complicated, contrived plots which twist the boundaries of logic. They are driven by the easiest, most direct path. Bad wifom in that situation could be assuming the criminal will go into light to mess with probability, but in my experience is actually more something akin to, "I can't know which way the crook went, so I might as well not try": the cop stopping and deciding not to even bother.

It's impossible to not play the wifom game because

everything you evaluate is off of assumptions

. You assume players are confirmed town. You assume events happen in certain ways. You assume motives behind actions. You assume certain things to be true, and others to not be true. Even after a player's alignment has flipped, you still make assumptions. You assume that town players flipped told the truth unless you have evidence to the contrary, and if you have that evidence to the contrary, everything said evidence means is an assumption on your part. You assume mafia mostly lie but with some inherent element of truth.

And when assumptions are present, interpretation enters the equation. With interpretation present, alternative interpretations are possible. With alternative interpretations possible, guesses as to what scum did and are doing must be made. And with guesswork comes the "what it means" and "what to do" elements of wifom. Because of situation A, scum have choice B. Choice B leads to either C or D. And therefore, we must figure out whether it is C or D we're dealing with.

If someone is making an argument that C is the logical choice but because of weird reasoning E the scum chose D, they are employing bad wifom, the logical fallacy. If someone is making an argument that because both C and D are possible, situation A cannot be analyzed, they are using bad wifom in the form of wifom as a buzzword. But if someone is making an argument weighing the pros and cons of C and D and explains why they think C is overwhelmingly the more likely of the two, that is good wifom, and thus, not something to be ignored.

In summary:

Because everything

could

be done by scum, the job of a town player is to figure out what the scum

did

do and

why

they did it.

See Also:

Let's talk about WIFOM, an older article following a similar principle to what I've outlined here.

Refined in This Wiki Page, Everything Is WIFOM.
I wrote that (bleeped because bleep the mod) article.

And the scum's usage of it in a woefully inappropriate manner.
Is proof that I'm not scum.
Because as scum I'd educate them on my theory.

[mastina]

On that note.

Bad WIFOM is

violating Ockham's Razor to dismiss an argument because scum COULD do something, ignoring whether they

would

.
Because everything

could

be done by scum, the job of a town player is to figure out what the scum

did

do and

why

they did it.

Sound familiar?
It (bleeped because bleep the mod) should.

There's a DAMN (bleeped because bleep the mod) good reason that I've said.
"Scumastina could do anything, but you need to figure out what she WOULD do and WOULDN'T do".

THIS ARTICLE WAS LITERALLY THE (bleeped because bleep the mod) SOURCE OF THAT PHILOSOPHY.
THIS ARTICLE WAS THE BIRTH OF ME USING THAT (bleeped because bleep the mod) PHRASE.
THIS ARTICLE WAS WHERE THAT IDEA CAME FROM.

THAT IDEA.
THAT I HAVE (bleeped because bleep the mod) PREACHED.
THE ENTIRE (bleeped because bleep the mod) GAME.

ORIGINATED.

FROM MY ARTICLE ON HOW EVERYTHING IS WIFOM AND THUS WHY THE TERM NEEDED TO MORE OR LESS BE DROPPED.

[mastina]

If town, do things that find us scum so your mislynch doesn't lose us the game.

I already (bleeped because bleep the mod) have.

Want me to quote it?

[mastina]

I fear mastina will end up convincing people at this rate so the quicker she dies the better

HEY (bleeped because bleep the mod).
GUESS WHY THAT WOULD BE THE (bleeped because bleep the mod) CASE.

MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE.

IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY (bleeped because bleep the mod) LISTENED.

THEY WOULD (bleeped because bleep the mod) REALIZE I AM (bleeped because bleep the mod) RIGHT.
ABOUT THERE NOT BEING AN ACTUALLY VALID (bleeped because bleep the mod) REASON TO SCUMREAD ME.

AND THAT THE CASE ON ME IS UTTER (bleeped because bleep the mod).

[mastina]

mastina, who's A50's partner?

It's

possible

to be Elena, but as previously discussed, I don't think so.
It's more likely to be Near x Mello, who have spent the whole game insisting Almost50 is town, and who Almost50 has shown no suspicion of.

Near x Mello's hop-on to the Vedith wagon was a textbook bus; they didn't have suspicion there prior to then.
Near x Mello and Robert did show suspicion of one another, but push come to shove, on D3 when SuperfluousNinja was an actual lynch candidate, they

defended

the slot.
I'd have to check on D2 to see their relationship to the ooba wagon.

Near x Mello's play this game has always been somewhat sketchy, more or less.

If this weren't a game won by POE, though, I admit I probably wouldn't be calling them scum.

The thing about it is, though.
You're conftown.
Torque is as town as town gets.
Chito and Yuuri are also town.
Joan is town.
I am town.
That's 5/9 slots right then and there.

Leaving {Almost50, Near x Mello, Elena, Reasonably Psychotic}.
I thought that SuperfluousNinja's push on Reasonably Psychotic made them town. I'm reconsidering that, but right now I still think more town than not. Reasonably Psychotic also has some strange interactions with Almost50 but it's hard to parse if those are scumbuddy interactions or anti-scumbuddy interactions; I'd need to research more to determine which.

The question to ask isn't who the scumteam is; it's who the town are.
And then, after identifying who the town are.
From the remaining candidates.
Identifying which teams work and which teams don't.
Almost50-Elena is unlikely, but not altogether impossible. (Which is one of the reasons I support the Elena lynch; it's not impossible for her to be scum. I don't think she is, but that was the same stance I held on Vedith, sooooo.)
Almost50-Near/Mello is incredibly plausible and maybe outright probable.
Almost50-Reasonably Psychotic is a team that I need to investigate more to determine (in)viability of.

ooba(5)

~ Dunnstral, Spike and Jet, Elena Fisher, Clemency, Gamma Emerald

ooba(4)

~ Dunnstral(4), Spike and Jet(37), Elena Fisher(12), Toogeloo(29)

Spike and Jet(5)

~ Severa(262), singletonking(45), Ankamius(150), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(88)

ooba(4)

~ Elena Fisher(12), Toogeloo(29), Spike and Jet(104), Near x Mello(260)

Creature

(9)

~ Severa(262), singletonking(45), Ankamius(149), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(51), Near x Mello(266), Pink Ball(34), Elena Fisher(30), Joan of Arc(100)

--

HAMMER

Gamma Emerald(3)

~ Reasonably Psychotic(25), Chito and Yuuri(37), Torque(30)

ooba(2)

~ Creature(104), Toogeloo(31)

Severa(1)

~ mastina(25)
Not Voting (2): Almost50(88), ooba(2)

So the answer to "how did Near x Mello treat the SuperfluousNinja slot D2" is...

"Much the same as they treated the slot on D3"--they did technically vote for the slot at one point...but did not stay on that wagon. And WHEN they voted on the wagon, the Spike/Jet wagon was larger; their vote didn't put ooba at risk of being lynched. They avoided voting ooba when ooba was the dominant wagon.

And in fact.
Were on the wagon opposite of ooba, Flavor Leaf.

So for a slot that accuses my interactions of allegedly being "distancing without bussing".
They sure as fuck seem to have interactions that fit as being "distancing without bussing".

Errr... let's try that without the broken tag?

Almost50, I explained why I put him into my poe pool in the neighborhood. Basically, it's a weak meta read. He was originally cleared of the poe pool--in fact, I thought his vote on SSBF spewed him as being town. But then, today, I realized something when driving home from work: literally every single time I've thought of Almost50 in a specific way, he has actually been scum that game, and I was thinking of him in that way this game.

Almost50's play this game essentially lacks "oomph". He's posting, sure, but there isn't a real strength behind his pushes; there isn't a real fire to be seen. Every time I've seen this, I've thought, "Oh I've seen Almost50 be a little apathetic as town, he looks town for these (superficial) reasons so this must be one of those off-games of his".

And yet, every time I can think of? When I had that thought, he was actually scum. The superficial reasons were superficial, skin-deep, not actually valid, and the lack of oomph wasn't from apathy, or at least not apathy born of problems beyond the keyboard; the lack of oomph was directly correlated to his alignment. And this game, Almost50 is lacking oomph, and the only reason I can really think of for having him as a townread, I'm thinking about and thinking...isn't it kinda superficial?

Ank, I could actually get REALLY good feedback from you, here.
My references for Almost50 as scum are these three games.

His towngames look more like this, this, this, and also this, plus some of this.

You've been in at least a couple of those, so you can compare them to here.

It's not like it's a definitive difference, not a night/day lock-solid foolproof metric.
But.

There IS that trend. Where as town there's just a kind of...oomph to it--one which you can still ignore but it's difficult and annoying. One which has presence enough to demand active effort to not pay attention to it.
Whereas here, I can effortlessly ignore him--I don't need to roll my eyes at him, I can just cruise by without really trying to. Something which tends to not happen when he is actually town, if that makes sense.

Robert/ooba, it's mostly that Robert's play was underwhelming. My reference for his towngame is his play here, and what he did here was just...so, so much less than what he did there. ooba's entrance into the game also felt like it was a scum entrance--all of these are weak reasons, but they do suggest a lurking/apathetic scum that got replaced.

This was the start of the Almost50 case--keep in mind that Ankamius, in private inside her neighborhood, apparently agreed with my conclusion here.

Is the shepherding being done behind the scenes?

It takes a scum player of VERY high caliber to pull that off--who in this list can do that besides myself, maybe-Almost50, Morality/Flavor Leaf, or Reasonably Psychotic. And in the case of Reasonably Psychotic, I already laid out why I don't feel this is Cerb's scum manipulation; there isn't so much as a single trace of it as far as I can see.

Almost50 actually fits as a scum shepherd, and I am going to cite what I did in my neighborhood on the subject:
Assume the scumteam has one individual who is the primary thinker/planner.
Assume it is not Near/Mello.
Assume it is not Reasonably Psychotic.

Aside from me, who fits the description best of being a scum thinker/planner? There's a few who are definitive nos; Joan, Vedith, Pink Ball, Dunnstral. Hypothetically they could be scum and could contribute, but would not be SPEARHEADING discussion of strategy.
There's a few who are capable of it when there's literally nobody else, but are all too happy to take a back seat. Gamma and Elena are who I'd profile as such.
There's a few who I don't know well enough to make a determination one way or another, but I'd guess at not being in the role; that's Chito/Yuuri, Torque, and Robert.

But the list of people who could be scum planners 100% of the time.
Is a small one.

It's {me, Near/Mello, Reasonably Psychotic, Almost50}. (Morality and Severa both counted, but are dead, so.)

If we assume that scum have a planner, then you need to get into each one of the scum planners' mindsets.

Here is where I diverge from my original analysis, because I want to point out:

Votecount 1.16

Vedith(10)

~ Chito and Yuuri(85), mastina(78), Joan of Arc(32), Drixx(22), Gamma Emerald(82), Torque(82), Spike and Jet(127), Near x Mello(97), Almost50(58)

, Vedith(75)

-- HAMMER

Gamma Emerald(3)

~ Elena Fisher(22), Pink Ball(163), Clemency(57)

Pink Ball(2)

~ Robert2424(17), Morality(29)

Joan of Arc(1)

~ Dunnstral(31)

Drixx(1)

~ singletonking(62)

mastina(1)

~ Toogeloo(29)
Not Voting (1): Reasonably Psychotic(55)

Almost50's planning strategy is similar to Morality's: screw the risk, get those counterwagons up. (And, mind you--I wrote this as a case for Morality being scum, so.)

Almost50, himself, was on the wagon, but...
Votecount 1.11

Vedith

(5) ~ Near x Mello(73), Chito and Yuuri(70), Torque(60),

Clemency(43), Spike and Jet(115)

Pink Ball(5) ~ Gamma Emerald(66), Joan of Arc(29),

Robert2424

(15),

Almost50

(44),

Vedith

(41)
mastina(2) ~

Toogeloo

(21), Pink Ball(124)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(20), Dunnstral(25)

singletonking(1) ~ Morality(18)

Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(51)

Clemency(1) ~ Drixx(11)

Not Voting (2):

singletonking

(23), Reasonably Psychotic(36)

Votecount 1.15

Vedith

(5) ~ Near x Mello(91), Chito and Yuuri(79),

Clemency

(52), mastina(73), Joan of Arc(32)
Pink Ball(3) ~

Robert2424

(17),

Gamma Emerald

(78),

Morality

(29)
mastina(3) ~

Toogeloo

(25), Almost50(53),

Spike and Jet

(124)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(22), Pink Ball(157)

Drixx(2) ~ singletonking

(48), Torque(67)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(29)

Clemency(1) ~ Drixx(19)

Not Voting (2):

Vedith

(49), Reasonably Psychotic(47)

As I originally said in my analysis--Almost50's approach as a scum spearhead is almost identical to that of Morality; fuck VCA over by having a scumbloc vote together, because the town won't be expecting it and it will throw them off.

In the former especially, there is that rather suspect pattern where Almost50 is surrounded on both sides of the wagon by scum. And that same wagon, Gamma Emerald would then later join not long after.

I'm seeing Gamma and pink ball wagons be essentially stagnant at where they are from even before vedith-slot became a decently sized wagon.

If the solve of Flavor Leaf-ooba-Toogeloo is correct, then the Pink Ball counterwagon to Vedith had

three

scum on it--not shown in any single votecount, but when you look at it, Robert was on that wagon; Morality was on that wagon; Vedith was on that wagon. The only person in the solve not on that wagon was Toogeloo.

That seems like it counts as trying-yet-failing, because failure was inevitable.

Plus what stops scum from pushing the pink ball or Gamma wagons?

What makes you think they didn't?

Both proven and suspected scum voted in those wagons.

The Vedith wagon had too much going for it to fall apart; the counterwagons were all self-evidently flawed and weak, off of superficial reasoning with the sole exception of the Pink Ball wagon--which DID rival Vedith's...until Pink Ball obvtowned himself.

Pink Ball was the closest to a viable counterwagon, which is shown to have contained scum, but he made that lynch not be viable with how he obvtowned himself. Vedith meanwhile became more and more an appealing lynch because he made misplay after misplay--none of those misplays looked intentional, so much as accidental, genuine, fuckups on his part that screwed him over.

Again, I wrote this about Morality...but it's actually more applicable for Almost50.

Almost50 was on most of the counterwagons to Vedith--Pink Ball and me most notably.

Almost50's Not Voting status I found incredibly suspect, in tandem with him having been in my POE pool.

I'm referring to Almost50's status at the end of D2. I'll be getting more into this in a bit, but keep it in mind.

Ankamius says that Almost is more likely to flip scum than not, and that his flip would be useful either way.

Ankamius has a strong track record for nailing Almost50 as scum.

I had him as a peripheral scumread; Severa had him as a scumread; Ankamius had him as a scumread; that's good enough for me.

And to give that reference--

a50 is

Town: {Ankamius, Gamma Emerald, singletonking, Chito and Yuuri, Joan of Arc, Severa, Torque, mastina}
Dunnstral
Spike and Jet
Toogeloo
Elena Fisher
Reasonably Psychotic
Almost50
ooba
Pink Ball
Near x Mello

first guess at actual scumteam is
{vedith, spike and jet, reasonably psychotic,

almost50

, toogeloo}

So reading Almost50's iso.

Hell yes he's scum, and has sketchy Gamma associatives as well. (Not going into the sketchy Robert associatives and sketchy Vedith interaction.)

A real highlight for me though is this,

@Drixx: I know why you may not think I'm playing to my town meta, but I can't explain it right now. Maybe on D3 or D4 if we're both still alive.

Given who died N1 and all.

I'll be going into these more, as well. Keep paying attention.

This post implies that certain hoods do not contain scums and certain ones do but how would you know that unless you had info on what hoods are available in the game? It’s doubtful that a Townie would be able to do anything but assume let alone speculate on an all scum hood.

What makes you think scum have info about all hoods available in the game
ie
How is bnl's thing more likely coming from scum than town?

I never said that scums had info on the hoods available in the game.

Looking back at BNL's post, it's suspicious that the post he made implies that not all hoods contain scum. It would be one thing if he brought up multiple possibilities like Drixx did when discussing possible house set-ups but he doesn't do that.

We have no idea if all the hoods in the game has a scum or not. Some of us are in one hood, some are in multiples like Morality (who elected to post in one channel and not in the other) but as far as alignments are concerned, there are no confirmations. Given this, it's a big leap to say that one or more of the hoods are all-town unless BNL had prior information knowing where the scums are, which only scum would know.

Kinda sorta feel like this from SSBF was a scumslip he tried to cover up RE: Almost50...who, as scum, has exactly that, access to every channel.

By that, I mean, he tried to project BNL/singleton's claim to an actual real scum role in the hands of another player (Almost50), essentially, and when called out on it by Near x Mello, tried to cover it up.

Take a look at him.
Take a damn good look at him.
Read my points on him.
Realize he ABSOLUTELY kills Drixx here N1; he ABSOLUTELY kills Ankamius (one of the best players in the game at reading him) N2; realize Drixx held suspicions MIRRORING YOUR OWN that Almost50's role was a scum role; realize Ankamius (again, one of the best players in the game at reading him) scumread him; realize that Severa (who, while an imperfect scumhunter, is still a

good

scumhunter) was scumreading him.

Chito: A50 did claim a post restriction and that the post restriction would not cause him to be prodded in the main thread. A post restriction does not make him town with certainty but I do believe the post restriction is likely real.

Repeat after me.

Role != alignment.

His role is real; there's never been any question to that.

The alignment's the important part; I'm pretty sure it's a scum role.

1469 is wrong in ways that are unlikely to come from scum, 73 is a level of early game solving that rarely comes from scum a50 and 1510 works against the way that a50 is more pockety as scum and less combative.

1469 is wrong in exactly the ways I've seen Almost50 be wrong as scum; 73 isn't really game solving; 1510 is responding to me literally the only way which he can; attempting to pocket me would only ensure his lynch and combating me is literally the only way he knows to fight me off.

Considering that AP is A50's "jokey" account, I would say A50's play in this game has a comparable amount of jokiness and random setup speccy stuff compared to Ballroom Blitz, which is a more recent game: viewtopic.php?t=78486&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

That's the problem.

AP

is his

joke

account.

Almost50

is his

serious

account.

The level of

jokiness

/setup spec stuff in this game is comparable to his

joke

account...
...But he is playing on his

serious

account.

You see the issue with that, yes?

Almost50 is scum on every account--by POE, by Ankamius scumreading him, by Severa scumreading him, by his interactions with flipped scum, sketchy posting throughout the game, by role speculation, and by the nightkills, among other factors.

Chito: I guess I can see where you're coming from a bit better after writing 3456, I can see how at a glance this looks a lot like scum A50. Some of the things I thought he didn't tend to do as scum he actually sometimes does, but I'm still having a hard time seeing him as scum here anyway.

Well then look at all the other factors.

There are four scum in the game--even if Gamma's one of them (which yes I agree with you I think she likely is), she has a partner; who is it?

You agree with the POE of Torque/Pink Ball/Dunnstral/Reasonably Psychotic/Joan as being town...
...Which leaves you a grand total of four names for two scum slots.
If Gamma's scum.
That's still one scum in Elena/NearxMello/Almost50.

POE is HARSH against him.

Even if you ignore the POE pool.

Drixx had setup reasons for suspecting Almost50; do you think that in a ROLE MADNESS game, Drixx was killed exclusively for counterclaiming the scum role? (When there are, in fact, multiple town players--myself included--who have a role acting as a CC to Vedith's, and there are many town roles which CC one another.) We know at this point he wasn't killed to silence his voice in his neighborhood; that theory went debunk when Severa flipped town. Drixx had his eyes on Almost50, for good reason.

Ankamius is one of the best players on mafiascum--dead serious. Well, as town, at least. She's literally one of the worst threats to go up against--while that does mean literally everyone would kill her, it also means she has reason to be respected on her reads...ESPECIALLY her Almost50 read. She is one of the best players at reading Almost50. I rate her ability to read him as better than mine, and according to Joan, she had a rather notable scumread on him.

Severa may have been wrong on Spike/Jet, but RC is also a strong town player; he has a damn good process. He had Almost50 as one of his suspects. While he was vigged, I wouldn't discount the possibility of a scum vig right now, which brings up the question of who as scum would want him dead like that; the answer is, those who were afraid he'd catch them. And Almost50 is in that pool.

There's so much for him being scum, and the most there is for him being town is "he can do this stuff as town; he doesn't have to do this stuff as scum", pretty much. He just makes the most sense as one of the remaining two.

Ank may be good but she was in the thread for like 5 days and was not privy to today's flips, including Toogeloo who might have adjusted her PoE.

Her scumread on Almost50 existed separately from her scumreads elsewhere.

Thus, the flips may have adjusted her other reads, but wouldn't have adjusted her Almost50 read.

Also, no town player is going to have perfect reads, but that doesn't mean you ignore their reads because of the ones which were wrong.

Severa also literally said he just did not read Elena, so it's not like Severa was arguing A50 was scummier than Elena (at least not in this thread, lmk if he posted some night time reads list before he died).

Him ignoring Elena doesn't mean he ignored Almost50; him ignoring Elena doesn't affect how he scumread Almost50.

How does night kill analysis point to Almost being scum in your opinion?

Because Drixx died; Ankamius died. Both had other reasons to die and Almost50 isn't going to kill someone JUST because they scumread him...but they both scumread him.

And Drixx is not such a player.
Drixx, when using logic based around mechanics, is on par with Ellibereth in being convincing--
But only when utilizing that logic based around mechanics.
When based on logic around gameplay, Drixx has charisma arguably worse than Creature.

Drixx had no mechanical reasons to read me, but DID have mechanical reasons to scumread Almost50.
Drixx's scumread on me from play was thus worth jacksquat. It meant absolutely nothing, because Drixx scumreading someone off of play is as harmless as harmless comes.

Yes, his mechanical play is on par with Cerb's, which is why their hydra is devastating in the long-term. Him being a mechanics-based player? He was a fucking non-threat.

When based on logic around gameplay, Drixx has charisma arguably worse than Creature.

And not only does he lack that charisma, but his play-based reads are also town par--they're nothing above average.

And average town is still shitty. Average town is "maybe catches one scum if they're lucky, and if they're really lucky, two", pretty much--and when using gameplay-based reasoning rather than mechanics-based reasoning, that is the level of play I ascribe to Drixx.

So I don't consider him a threat. Him being suspicious of me from gameplay reasons was barely worth a footnote. It certainly wasn't worth a nightkill.

Now, him being suspicious of someone from a role reason, from a mechanical viewpoint of the game...
...THAT is an entirely different thing altogether. THAT is a threat. THAT is where he specializes in fucking scum over. And he was on the right track...if you assume that Almost50 is scum.

Here are the points of interest regarding A50, which he wants you to forget about:

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

I don't like your voting patterns. Let me give you an example: You think BOTH FL & ooba are scum?

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

I pointed out that I had mentioned something about Morality in my pt, and he ate it up. He then goes on to ask me who scum is in my hood (nonsense, the burden is on him, and the pressure should be on him)
Notably, if scum don't have daytalk then just being scum wouldn't be enough to gather this information, so that point by him is moot anyway. I theorize that he can't see into my neighborhood during the day, but may or may not be able to get info on it during the night, and if he can't then he was just making stuff up

It's time to resolve this. What information does my first post on day 3 inside my neighborhood convey?

Naw, it makes sense. Note this is WITHOUT me bothering to reread anything, or ISO A50.

The strongest argument in favor of him being town was the warning he gave everyone(to share what I was thinking there, he only does that as scum in two situations: If his teammates include Drixx, myself, Wisdom, Alisae, or mastina(just don't see that coming from anyone else in this game who's scum game I'm familiar with), or if a/his scum role includes an ability to spy on/be part of all the PT's). I found it unlikely that his team included the people I thought capable of guiding him towards taking that line, but as the game has gone on I've grown more certain that the scum team has that ability to spy on pt's, so he's really left with nothing in terms of reasons to townread him.

Honestly, pure speculation of course, but I think it's super likely that his absence from the thread right now is part of an ability that let's him look at all the other PT's during this time when he's gone from the main thread.

That's a lot of statements to make.

But let's back them up.

Looking at the players list I don't seem to recall anything Super Smash Bros. Fan or Maria have posted. Checking the activity it's no wonder as each has only posted once (and Maria even did it under an alt).

Could the two of you please step into the center of the stage and perform a first dance?

This is his first interaction with the Vedith slot.

@Gamma: How am I supposed to answer this now? You know my alts, right? Would you be kind enough to figure out the rest?

Nothing to do with alts, everything to do with you hemorrhaging scum-exclusive info previously.

I understand your paranoia, but it's overly naive of you to do so here for several reasons:
1- That was a slip about an in-game mechanic there. Here it was confusion about what game it is and who the mod is.
2- Do you really think I would be so careless as to slip AGAIN here? Like, there it was bc I was a replacement and I jumped the gun. Here I am a starter and have had plenty of time to read, reread and prepare well if I wanted to have anything "planned".
3- When that happened I tried my best to get out of the hole I had dug myself into without explaining much. Here I gave you as much info as I could. Try AP. Period.
Happy?

This is an incredibly awkward interaction with Gamma Emerald.

My inactivity in this thread until now was due to life being busy, not deliberately avoiding the thread.

(Vote: this dude)
This phrasing is most irritating to me. "my inactivity

in this thread

" hints he has been posting "elsewhere", and if that's the case then "busy life" certainly is not the reason.
Please reread his phrasing and compare it to "My inactivity

in this thread

until now" which probably wouldn't have rubbed me the wrong way.
@Super Smash: Please tell us how many posts you has on any channels you're in, and that's for starters.
Oh, and for the VC tool to recognize the vote:
VOTE: Super Smash Bros. Fan

Even for Almost50, this is an "out-there" reasoning for a vote, which reeks of being a bus vote based on TMI.

@Vedith: Why PB?

Continued awkward interactions with the Vedith slot. Up to and including:

@Vedith: Why PB?

Because I'm top voted and I got worried and panicked. You should vote with me.

I love your honesty. here's a reward:
UNVOTE:

Unvoting the slot, and not pressing elsewhere.

Almost50 drops an unvote, and critically--he avoids voting again. He doesn't latch onto something else; he just drops his push, dead, because he "liked his honesty".

I love your honesty. here's a reward:
UNVOTE:

That was a little easy. What if I was lying?

If you had said anything else I would have suspected you were lying. This is the one and only reason I thought might make sense for that vote.

The awkward interaction continues.

Vedith

(5) ~ Near x Mello, Chito and Yuuri, Torque, Clemency, Spike and Jet, <<< all town wagon.. on a

townie

[

X

]

Almost50(1) ~

Vedith

, <<<

town

on town

[

X

]

Not Voting (3): Reasonably Psychotic, Almost50, singletonking, <<< 3 lazy townies (yes, I know I'm one of the 3)

Key notes here.

My theory is Vedith is an easy push, so scum are counting on town to do the job for them.

Hey, Wisdom.
Why the fuck did you call me out on this sort of shit, but not Almost50?

cmon, thats weak. "easy" wagons happen on scum all the time. I agree with your gamma and pink reads.

Separately, it does seem to be weak indeed. However, there are some other (even weaker) indications that -collectively- add up to a "not-so-strong yet not-too-weak" reasoning.
For example, my PoE and my SRs support that conclusion. Of course I cannot be confident without having any flips at all, but IF I am correct about X, Y & Z being the scum team then that's that.
As for Vedith himself, I don't think Scum!him (who had just voted someone and declared it was a survivalistic vote on his counter wagon), would respond to me unvoting him by FoS'ing me. (After all, he knows I'm bad.. I'm bad, he knows it.. ) and he thus was risking me not only revoting him but actually pushing him for real.

@Dunn: I'm not saying he flips red.

In fact I still lean towards a green flip.

HOWEVER, this will never go away. It's better to deal with it NOW than to let scum use it as a smoke screen to keep us chasing our tails all game.

Because Almost50 was doing the very fucking thing

you

were accusing me of doing.

Stalling the Vedith lynch.

@A50: If Vedith is a villager and is an easy push as you say, scum has all the incentive to hop on his wagon yet the wagon came to a halt
Either there is scum already voting there or Vedith is a wolf

No. If they thought town would do the job for them they would stay clear off the wagon and play for time. Maybe they thought it "could" go through without them and now are considering throwing their weight behind it towards the end of the day, but for now are hoping that the town still does the job for them.

Also let's not forget the other 2 wagons are on stronger TRs, and scum wouldn't e stupid enough to try and save one of them by pushing someone unlikely to get lynched on D1. The wagons are thus composed so that any townie looking to consolidate at crunch time would look at the 3 and think Vedith is the right way to go given there are no other options by then.

More Vedith defense.

I support Toog's notion. Let's force scum to hop on counter wagons sooner than later so it will become apparent who's aligned with whom
VOTE: mastina

I was a Vedith counterwagon.

@Drixx: I know why you may not think I'm playing to my town meta, but I can't explain it right now. Maybe on D3 or D4 if we're both still alive.

Almost50 acknowledged that Drixx posed a threat here--Drixx's point on Almost50 was this:

A50 is either having a laugh as an informed/scum role or has somehow managed to be over the top nonchalant as town since the last time I played with him as town.

And this is the crucial bit. Drixx and Cerb both saw the same thing.
Drixx.
And Cerb.
The mechanics-based players.
Both saw the same thing.
When looking at Almost50.
They saw.
A mechanical reason to scumread Almost50.

Drixx. The CO-KING OF MECHANICAL SCUMHUNTING.
AGREEING WITH CERBERUS, THE OTHER CO-KING OF MECHANICAL SCUMHUNTING.
HAD A

MECHANICAL

REASON.
To scumread Almost50.

Almost50 brushed it off.

VOTE: Vedith
All caught up. Not even sure how I feel about this, but letting him off the hook will always come back to haunt us later on regardless of his true alignment.

L-1

This is also a blatant scum bus.

I'd also like to note from D1:

This leaves me with S&J, SSB, Gamma, Joan, Toog (I suspect he may have a 1-shot global protective ability?? ), Drixx, Maria (my nemesis), mastina, Robert & NxM to sort

preliminarily

.

He sorted Spike and Jet.
He sorted Vedith.
He sorted Toogeloo.
He sorted Drixx.
He sorted me.
He sorted Near x Mello.
He sorted Toogeloo.

But Gamma/Joan/Elena/Robert have ambiguous sorts, at best. The closest to a Robert sort?

I feel

left

out.

Actually, you can't be more

right

.

That's literally the extent of his Robert interactions.

Gamma's no better in that regard.

@Gamma: So you've arguing against mastina being worthy of a sheep, and you say Joan of Arc's response isn't a town response, yet you joined the same wagon they're both pushing?? What gives?

Another awkward Gamma interaction.

@Mortality: You're clever, you're funny and -in this game- you're TOWN.

Starts with this...

@Near: Not yet. I am waiting for a few people to come say something useful today before I vote. But, it's likely that I will vote her "eventually" if that's what you're asking.

Refuses to vote...

OH! A MASTINA TRAIN! I LOVE IT!!
VOTE: mastina

...Votes me...

Near/Elena/Torque scum team

Well, I'm on Elena and I thought you were too. Let's lynch this first then we see who else. I don't think both Near & Torque bused Vedith, so I believe at least one of then is Town here.

...Is even sheeping Flavor Leaf...

No. I know his play and I kinda know when he's being manipulative-as-scum vs manipulative-as-town. FL is dropping his guard here, which is something he never does as scum. He is making himself overly vulnerable, and he

could indeed

get lynched TODAY, yet he's not backing off. It's because he

believes

he's right about you being scum (which is one major reason I'm calling his reads shit).

...And defending him...

We have no idea if all the hoods in the game has a scum or not. Some of us are in one hood, some are in multiples like Morality (who elected to post in one channel and not in the other)

This is interesting
Did Morality end up posting in any other channel?

*Sigh*
I can't argue with THAT.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

...But when a Flavor Leaf lynch seemed viable, he jumped on, not questioning the nature of the "slip", not finding the obvious flaws in it. (Heck I scumread Flavor Leaf but I knew the slip was bs.) Flavor Leaf, the dude he was sheeping. The dude being voted by me, someone he was quite happy to lynch. He voted without hesitation, without critical thought.

UNVOTE:

He does unvote after

someone else

points this out...

...But why didn't HE, the kind of person who specializes in finding that sort of thing, notice this?

What's more.

He left himself Not Voting there--where he stayed throughout the day.
Why no vote here?
Or here?
Or here?
Here?
When Spike/Jet was being wagoned, why didn't he fight it?
Why didn't he insist that Spike/Jet was town?
Why, when on D1 to counter the Vedith wagon he voted...
...Did he not vote?

On D1, when there was a player he townread (Vedith), Almost50 tried to counterwagon them, and admitted as much.
On D2, a player he townread, Almost50...did nothing for.
The difference between the two is Vedith was scum and Spike/Jet wasn't.
He contributed nothing to the Creature discussion.
He posted, but it was just that--posts. Nothing constructive in them, one way or another. No accusations against Creature, no defense of Creature. Silence.

Then there's the scum's interactions with him.

Okay right now I'm at this.
VOTE: Almost50
Challenge me.

This is blatant scum theater--this is not a real push. This is not an attempt to generate a counterwagon. This is an attempt to make distance.

A50 is town guys.

Why?

More of the same.

The unvote was most likely a hop off the sinking ship. It's not unusual for me to be the main attraction to the death tunnel day 1, so why stay on?
The reason of me panicking, I can't see this being bought by anyone who has played with me previously, yet it was apparently a really good answer to stop voting.

Originally Almost looked to be pushing the game, and when it looks to have little to no pressure on them, it's a bunch of worthless and empty typing.
That said, the game state is in a bad shape, so it's plausible that this is void, but I'm still going with tut tut.

That's all I have as I don't want to vote Gamma yet.

Aside from this being an awkward Gamma interaction as well, this is an awkward push on Almost50.

But this is my point to the game, since I joined in (I take no blame though) majority players are doing fuck all. So the fact that Almost had better looking posts until as of recent means I shouldn't use that as a reason to thing of him as scum... However much I want to.
It's also sad that my biggest current scum read goes ahead because of an unvote on me. But that's how it is.

Here he's already giving reasons for backing out of the scumread on Almost50.

VOTE: Pink Ball

In fact, he drops it altogether.

Why didn't he keep pushing Almost50?

Idk, I havn't seen much of a change with Pink ball or Near. I'd actually put Mastina as an actual town read, she's been completely different then the game I played with her when she was scum. Maybe its so many people causing issues for me, But I have half the reads I'd like.

Vedith is odd

, but don't have strong feelings either ways. However, a flip would help with reads there...

A50 seems crazy still

. Toogeloo post seem odd to me as well.

Pay attention to these reads from Robert as well.

I can do more, but that'd go into Gamma-Almost50 when neither has flipped...yet.

Here. Why Near x Mello's most likely to be scum; why Almost50 is scum.

[mastina]

Like.

I've (bleeped because bleep the mod) explained.

From the (bleeped because bleep the mod) onset.

"This is a game won by POE".

How the (bleeped because bleep the mod) is that any less clear than can be?

Pink Ball was obvtown from his reaction to being wagoned D1 plus Vedith's treatment of him; he became conftown with Elena targeting him.
Reasonably Psychotic was obvtown from SuperfluousNinja's treatment of them; they became conftown via Cerb targeting Chito and Yuuri.
Torque is literally as town as town gets this game, abundantly clear every single (bleeped because bleep the mod) step of the way that he is town.
Joan is absolutely 100% town because this is absolutely her play as town.
I am town.

That's 5/9.
Chito and Yuuri is obvtown from their Vedith hard push not to mention reasonable stances held throughout the game and their overall game approach.
That's 6/9.

That leaves you three names for two scum.
Elena Fisher.
Near x Mello.
And Almost50.

Three candidates, two scum.

Elena Fisher I outlined reasons why I felt it wasn't her, which I admit I didn't quote.
Near x Mello I outlined reasons why they fit as scum; they haven't done any actual pushing on scum in spite of accusing ME of that (bleeped because bleep the mod) same thing. They defended SuperfluousNinja when push came to shove AND avoided the ooba wagon when it was picking up steam...twice, only on it for a brief time.
Almost50 I outlined the reasons why he's scum endlessly.

Game of (bleeped because bleep the mod) POE.
Plus reasons to scumread Almost50 and Near x Mello.

I already (bleeped because bleep the mod) did that.

So what the (bleeped because bleep the mod) more do you (bleeped because bleep the mod) want from me than what I've (bleeped because bleep the mod) given.

I've proven as much as I can.
Why everyone in the townbloc is town.
I've proven as much as I can.
Why I am scumreading who I am.

There's literally nothing (bleeped because bleep the mod) left for me to do except (bleeped because bleep the mod) shut down the bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) wagon on me.

[mastina]

Also, I'll ask anyone not to mess you up. Y

ou immediately kill anyone who successfully kills you (That said, if you don't die, you don't kill).

- But you ARE actually a handsome boy. Your appearance, except those tattoos, are really girls' favorite, once you become less shy, though.

{(UNLOCKED NIGHT 2) Each night, you may target any player and redirect any actions targeted at them to you. The target will also know that you are targeting them, but not what you did. This power only works at female targets though. I mean, yeah. Also, you may only target a player once with this ability.}

Check the bolded and the Red.

I claimed that Dunnstral used this power on me last night (Night 3) His night 3 power was making someone bodyguard him. I asked if I was the target of the night kill and he redirected that to himself would the mafia who tried to target me die. The answer was yes. So by that logic, someone avoided dying by being immune.
If we can try to figure out who did an action on n3 that removes them from the pool.

So WHY.
THE.
(bleeped because bleep the mod).

ARE YOU (bleeped because bleep the mod) VOTING ME.

WHEN

TORQUE CONFIRMED THAT I VISITED HIM

.

BY YOUR OWN (bleeped because bleep the mod) LOGIC.
I SHOULD BE (bleeped because bleep the mod) PROVEN TO NOT BE THE (bleeped because bleep the mod) KILLER.

[mastina]

even if its a n3 thing it can be an automatic passive and they can still use, say, a n2 active

My N2 action isn't proven but is very (bleeped because bleep the mod) easily self-evidently a real (bleeped because bleep the mod) thing.
My N3 action IS (bleeped because bleep the mod) proven.

It doesn't even (bleeped because bleep the mod) matter if the passive Torque got was mine or Near x Mello's.

THE FACT TORQUE SAW ME VISIT HIM PROVES THAT I USED A NON-ROLEBLOCKING ACTION ON HIM.

Because I was proven to use my N3 power.

And because my N2 power is self-evidently NOT (bleeped because bleep the mod) kill-immunity. (Like. Try to (bleeped because bleep the mod) think of a way to make that (bleeped because bleep the mod) flavor work. It doesn't.)

It is (bleeped because bleep the mod) self-evident.
I didn't do the (bleeped because bleep the mod) kill.

Which means BY YOUR OWN (bleeped because bleep the mod) METRIC.

YOU SHOULD BE (bleeped because bleep the mod) HUNTING A DIFFERENT PLAYER.

Maybe.

Like.
Oh.
Sayyyyyyyyyyy.

Kirito?
WHOSE (bleeped because bleep the mod) THING IS BEING ABLE TO BLOCK ATTACKS LIKE DUNNSTRAL'S.

Almost50 should be a (bleeped because bleep the mod) flavor GUILTY.

[mastina]

I'm voting you for a lot of the same reasons I voted Creature combined with the logic I outlined before.

That it'll shed some (bleeped because bleep the mod) light on things?

OH THEN DO (bleeped because bleep the mod) TELL ME.

WHAT THE (bleeped because bleep the mod) ARE THOSE (bleeped because bleep the mod) THINGS.

TELL ME (bleeped because bleep the mod)

EXACTLY

WHAT YOU GET FROM THE FLIP.

Because you get jack(bleeped because bleep the mod).

[mastina]

even if its a n3 thing it can be an automatic passive and they can still use, say, a n2 active

My N2 action isn't proven but is very (bleeped because bleep the mod) easily self-evidently a real (bleeped because bleep the mod) thing.
My N3 action IS (bleeped because bleep the mod) proven.

It doesn't even (bleeped because bleep the mod) matter if the passive Torque got was mine or Near x Mello's.

THE FACT TORQUE SAW ME VISIT HIM PROVES THAT I USED A NON-ROLEBLOCKING ACTION ON HIM.

Because I was proven to use my N3 power.

And because my N2 power is self-evidently NOT (bleeped because bleep the mod) kill-immunity. (Like. Try to (bleeped because bleep the mod) think of a way to make that (bleeped because bleep the mod) flavor work. It doesn't.)

It is (bleeped because bleep the mod) self-evident.
I didn't do the (bleeped because bleep the mod) kill.

Which means BY YOUR OWN (bleeped because bleep the mod) METRIC.

YOU SHOULD BE (bleeped because bleep the mod) HUNTING A DIFFERENT PLAYER.

Maybe.

Like.
Oh.
Sayyyyyyyyyyy.

Kirito?
WHOSE (bleeped because bleep the mod) THING IS BEING ABLE TO BLOCK ATTACKS LIKE DUNNSTRAL'S.

Almost50 should be a (bleeped because bleep the mod) flavor GUILTY.

This deserves elaboration in its own (bleeped because bleep the mod) post.

Kirito is the best (bleeped because bleep the mod) swordsman in Sword Art Online.
His shtick is how elite he is. He's the best, pretty much. He's not only experienced, but also just that damn good.
What sorts of powers do you expect an ultimate swordsman to have?
You expect him to have powers that would deal with combat. Deal with avoiding damage, while inflicting it.

Tell me I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) wrong on this, Cerb.
Tell me you don't (bleeped because bleep the mod) see where I'm coming from on this point.

[mastina]

Pedit: mastina can you do me a favor and take a step back from the computer for 10-20 minutes then come back? I'll happily explain to you after that.

(bleeped because bleep the mod) that.

I. am. being. (bleeped because bleep the mod). lynched.

YOU ARE PART OF THE (bleeped because bleep the mod) LYNCH.

You want me to (bleeped because bleep the mod) calm down?

THEN (bleeped because bleep the mod) UNVOTE ME.

[mastina]

Pedit: mastina can you do me a favor and take a step back from the computer for 10-20 minutes then come back? I'll happily explain to you after that.

(bleeped because bleep the mod) that.

I. am. being. (bleeped because bleep the mod). lynched.

YOU ARE PART OF THE (bleeped because bleep the mod) LYNCH.

You want me to (bleeped because bleep the mod) calm down?

THEN (bleeped because bleep the mod) UNVOTE ME.

Need I remind you, Pink Ball promised to hammer me when I got to L-1?

So me being at L-2 now.

IS EFFECTIVELY ME AT (bleeped because bleep the mod) L-1.
LYNCH, MINUS ONE VOTE.

Don't (bleeped because bleep the mod) forget that, and Pink Ball absolutely WILL jump on at the first available hammer opportunity.
Don't delude yourself into (bleeped because bleep the mod) thinking otherwise.

[mastina]

1) We lynch Mastina and she flips town. I would probably be next on the chopping block given I'm a vanilla townie and have nothing to really prove my innocence besides my play, but even people think that's somewhat scummy. After that it'd be a 6p and we'd hopefully kill A50

And how, pray tell, do you obtain that gamestate?

By praying Chito and Yuuri isn't (bleeped because bleep the mod) lynched?

Good luck with that.

2) We lynch Mastina and she flips scum. The next likely lynch would be C&Y or Joan/A50 we'd be able to lock a few people out of even being scum and have clears along the way. The game would basically be solved.

And yet you fail to follow that to the (bleeped because bleep the mod) conclusion.

I don't have (bleeped because bleep the mod) viable scumbuddies.

So HOW, precisely, is the game (bleeped because bleep the mod) solved?

It's (bleeped because bleep the mod) not.

[mastina]

If I unvote you will you do as I just requested?

Leave for half an hour?

GLADLY.

[mastina]

Also.

People keep saying that empty (bleeped because bleep the mod) logic of.
"If we lynch mastina, it breaks the game open".

Why do they (bleeped because bleep the mod) apply that logic to me.

And not think about the effect on other players?

What an Elena lynch does; what a Near x Mello lynch does; what an Almost50 lynch does.

[mastina]

UNVOTE:
Cya in 30 then.

KK last post, you ninja'd me. <3

[mastina]

HOLY (bleeped because bleep the mod) (bleeped because bleep the mod).

I just realized the EXACT flavor reason for Almost50 being bulletproof.

I can't post it until 10:18 (which is exactly 30 minutes from my last post), but I know EXACTLY what allowed him to kill Dunnstral.

And yes.

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically.

Do you know how I figured it out?

Simple.

At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.

But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound).
The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Spoiler: ACTUAL SPOILERS

Too lazy to watch the whole thing, skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies.
But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially.
And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win.

And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum?

Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

Do you want me to detail this further?

Because this is pretty (bleeped because bleep the mod) definitive proof of concept.

That Almost50 is the scum who killed Dunnstral.

And FURTHERMORE.
Kirito makes sense as flavor for having insight into all the neighborhoods, an ability Almost50 claimed he had more or less and yet retracted when he said he didn't have Channel 48 access in spite of there being definitive proof he knew what was going on there. (Do I need to literally walk you through this by pointing out Dunnstral's posts on the subject, or can I trust you to have the (bleeped because bleep the mod) intelligence to remember that detail?)

Because Kirito shows consistent knowledge of the virtual world.
He was a "Beater" in Sword Art Online, a beta tester.
He was entrusted with the seed of Sword Art Online, which he released to the public (more or less). He was given executive, administrative powers over the system.
And he was in every plot-relevant game, including knowing about the pod-players (I forget what their in-universe term was, but fulldivers who were in the game always because they had no choice).

Almost50's flavor being (bleeped because bleep the mod) Kirito makes him a literally (bleeped because bleep the mod) picture-perfect fit as being the cause for these things.

And I've got ten minutes left on my self-imposed exile.

Even if my girlfriend is home now which might mean I need to break from them for a few minutes to post this.

Breaking my (bleeped because bleep the mod) holy rule of girlfriend > mafia.

For something this (bleeped because bleep the mod) important.

I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) doing it.

(bleeped because bleep the mod), I'd be posting it right now and breaking my 30-minute promise, too, if I didn't want to prove that yes I (bleeped because bleep the mod) uphold my (bleeped because bleep the mod) promises.

I could even get away with it, too. Elena originally asked for 20 minutes; it's been that long.

But I digress; I'm typing to pad out time at this point which risks losing my message.

The tl;dr:
Read this analysis (spoilers abound).
And/or watch

Spoiler: this video (ACTUAL SPOILERS)

From the 3:30 mark in the video to the end.

And you'll know EXACTLY why Almost50 is scum.

I am absolutely 100% (bleeped because bleep the mod) right here.

[mastina]

HOLY (bleeped because bleep the mod) (bleeped because bleep the mod).

I just realized the EXACT flavor reason for Almost50 being bulletproof.

I can't post it until 10:18 (which is exactly 30 minutes from my last post), but I know EXACTLY what allowed him to kill Dunnstral.

And yes.

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically.

Do you know how I figured it out?

Simple.

At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.

But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound).
The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Spoiler: ACTUAL SPOILERS

Too lazy to watch the whole thing, skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies.
But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially.
And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win.

And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum?

Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

Do you want me to detail this further?

Because this is pretty (bleeped because bleep the mod) definitive proof of concept.

That Almost50 is the scum who killed Dunnstral.

And FURTHERMORE.
Kirito makes sense as flavor for having insight into all the neighborhoods, an ability Almost50 claimed he had more or less and yet retracted when he said he didn't have Channel 48 access in spite of there being definitive proof he knew what was going on there. (Do I need to literally walk you through this by pointing out Dunnstral's posts on the subject, or can I trust you to have the (bleeped because bleep the mod) intelligence to remember that detail?)

Because Kirito shows consistent knowledge of the virtual world.
He was a "Beater" in Sword Art Online, a beta tester.
He was entrusted with the seed of Sword Art Online, which he released to the public (more or less). He was given executive, administrative powers over the system.
And he was in every plot-relevant game, including knowing about the pod-players (I forget what their in-universe term was, but fulldivers who were in the game always because they had no choice).

Almost50's flavor being (bleeped because bleep the mod) Kirito makes him a literally (bleeped because bleep the mod) picture-perfect fit as being the cause for these things.

And I've got ten minutes left on my self-imposed exile.

Even if my girlfriend is home now which might mean I need to break from them for a few minutes to post this.

Breaking my (bleeped because bleep the mod) holy rule of girlfriend > mafia.

For something this (bleeped because bleep the mod) important.

I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) doing it.

(bleeped because bleep the mod), I'd be posting it right now and breaking my 30-minute promise, too, if I didn't want to prove that yes I (bleeped because bleep the mod) uphold my (bleeped because bleep the mod) promises.

I could even get away with it, too. Elena originally asked for 20 minutes; it's been that long.

But I digress; I'm typing to pad out time at this point which risks losing my message.

The tl;dr:
Read this analysis (spoilers abound).
And/or watch

Spoiler: this video (ACTUAL SPOILERS)

From the 3:30 mark in the video to the end.

And you'll know EXACTLY why Almost50 is scum.

I am absolutely 100% (bleeped because bleep the mod) right here.

Quote for pagetop.

[mastina]

And yes Elena that was exactly half an hour, you can't complain about it because I said it'd be half an hour and it was EXACTLY half an hour.

If you wanted it to be "give me time", generic, shoulda specified so.

[mastina]

You can make it more unlikely yes, but impossible? No.

Response Link One.
Response Link Two.

[mastina]

Are you feeling better? That was mostly the whole reason I asked.

Well I owe you thanks because I wouldn't have made the flavor-role breakthrough otherwise.

You should read it since you think Almost50's scum.

[mastina]

lets note that theres still zero mention of mastina

Let's also note that you're (bleeped because bleep the mod) pushing someone who is, explicitly, (bleeped because bleep the mod) V/LA, and who was, explicitly, (bleeped because bleep the mod) prodded, and therefore, is, EXPLICITLY.
(bleeped because bleep the mod). not. able. to. Address everyone.

I am not the only one Chito and Yuuri haven't mentioned post-prod.
Because guess what?
I'm nobody special to Chito and Yuuri, struggling to post while V/LA.

If anything.

The fact Chito and Yuuri didn't have me in their sights.
Is (bleeped because bleep the mod) proof that we're not scumbuddies.

I also note you have no counter to 4749.

[mastina]

I also note you have no counter to 4749.

Because it doesnt need one. You're stretching based on flavor.

No, I'm not.
Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

[mastina]

people go after mastina: they cant be her buddies
people dont mention mastina: they cant be her buddies

Yes, exactly.
People who defend me can be buddies.

Nobody is defending me.

My point was that if Chito and Yuuri were my scumbuddy, they WOULD mention me--in defense of my actions/stances.

[mastina]

Not only that, but he is voting reading things mastina wrote in depth, because he knows if he were to read them in depth, he'd be forced to admit that she is town and give up on his planned mislynch, and this is not something he can afford to do with two of his teammates dead.

You're all going to feel really stupid when you realize that of all people.

It was Joan who got things right.

She'll never let you forget it in future games, either.

Your best hope of saving yourself the trouble in future games is to trust her in this game and with that trust, be able to point to it and say "I contributed just as much" so she can't hold it over you.

[mastina]

Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

Hey Cerb.

Really important I catch your attention with this.

You're good with mechanics right.

So what do you say about this?

Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

[mastina]

should i reconsider my townread on rp

The only way Reasonably Psychotic could be scum is if they are scum with Chito and Yuuri--which would, by necessity, mean that I am town.

Y'know.

The person you're still voting.

Nice try to widen up the mislynch pool and also nice try not to follow the obvious chain of events. (If you doubt someone's status as town and there is a role which causes that player to be innocent, you'd lynch the person claiming the role causing that player to be innocent first.)

I've been quite consistent in my approach: shrinking the lynch pool to the point of containing the scum.

You've been quite consistent in your approach as well; widening the lynch pool to the point of allowing anyone in the game to be scum. Except for those that'd be inconvenient to call scum.

[mastina]

And by the way, I did the calculations.
It is possible to lynch Almost50.
Myself, Joan, Cerb, Amzela, Elena is 5/6 needed.
From there, any of Chito/Yuuri, Torque, or Pink Ball willing to vote there would be a hammer.

I'm not as sure I can get Near x Mello lynched today--there's myself and Joan, but I'm not sure I can count on the support of Cerb/Amzela or Elena; I'm even less sure I can get Chito/Yuuri, Torque, or Pink Ball there.

The alternative lynch is then, Elena--I can probably get Joan here, and Chito/Yuuri is a definitive, with Pink Ball as another supporter; 4/6 there, with a need for two from Cerb/Amzela, Torque, and Near x Mello.

Possible, but less desirable at this point.
Because I maintain my position.

Elena is possible scum.
I don't think she

is

scum, but she's possible scum. Being possible scum, who is scumread widely, and whose death would conftown Pink Ball when Pink Ball is unkillable, is a huge net benefit for the town--but I don't think she'll flip scum.

So (bleeped because bleep the mod)it, I'm going for it.
VOTE: Almost50.

[mastina]

And by the way, I did the calculations.
It is possible to lynch Almost50.
Myself, Joan, Cerb, Amzela, Elena is 5/6 needed.
From there, any of Chito/Yuuri, Torque, or Pink Ball willing to vote there would be a hammer.

I'm not as sure I can get Near x Mello lynched today--there's myself and Joan, but I'm not sure I can count on the support of Cerb/Amzela or Elena; I'm even less sure I can get Chito/Yuuri, Torque, or Pink Ball there.

The alternative lynch is then, Elena--I can probably get Joan here, and Chito/Yuuri is a definitive, with Pink Ball as another supporter; 4/6 there, with a need for two from Cerb/Amzela, Torque, and Near x Mello.

Possible, but less desirable at this point.
Because I maintain my position.

Elena is possible scum.
I don't think she

is

scum, but she's possible scum. Being possible scum, who is scumread widely, and whose death would conftown Pink Ball when Pink Ball is unkillable, is a huge net benefit for the town--but I don't think she'll flip scum.

So (bleeped because bleep the mod)it, I'm going for it.
VOTE: Almost50.

(Pagetopping this because it is important.)

[mastina]

Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

Hey Cerb.

Really important I catch your attention with this.

You're good with mechanics right.

So what do you say about this?

Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

(Also this.)

[mastina]

like its super obvious for everyone not joan that what i was saying was that you should be lynched before you manipulate people into townreading you
Joan takes that to mean "wisdom doesnt want mastina to obvtown"

The two are one and the same.
You can't pretend they're not.

Joan is absolutely right there.

[mastina]

So to summarize where I am coming from:
Pink Ball was obvtown from D1 play plus Vedith, elevated from obvtown to conftown via Elena--nobody disputes this read so I don't need to explain it further.
Reasonably Psychotic was obvtown from SuperfluousNinja (not to mention is a likely target of that ability), elevated from obvtown to conftown via Chito and Yuuri--this is not a read which needs explaining because this is self-resolving given the appropriate time.
Torque is universally townread by everyone--I don't need to explain this townread because everyone agrees with it.
Joan is universally townread by everyone--I don't need to explain this townread because everyone agrees with it.
Since I know I am town, that leaves four remaining slots, containing two scum.

{Almost50, Near x Mello, Elena Fisher, Chito and Yuuri}.

Chito and Yuuri were the hardest pressers of Vedith. Nobody pushed Vedith harder or more consistently than they did. If you want proof, check this out. I conveniently highlighted Vedith for you so you can see it.
But if you look at them, their read was there even before Vedith held the slot:

That make me wonder -- Apathetic town or scum that didn't get excited about their role PM:
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Elena Fisher
What do you guys think? Which out of SSBF and Elena is busy town and which is scum that doesn't like their role PM?

Chito: VOTE: SSBF

Looking at the players list I don't seem to recall anything Super Smash Bros. Fan or Maria have posted. Checking the activity it's no wonder as each has only posted once (and Maria even did it under an alt). Could the two of you please step into the center of the stage and perform a first dance?

VOTE: SSBF
-Yuuri

Chito: Join us on smash
VOTE: smash

Chito: Guys let's all join hands and get on this SMASHING wagon :3

I guess we go back to this then
VOTE: Smash

Chito: It doesn't dramatically move me either way. I liked a few things a little bit but the "should I claim thing?" seemed just a bit more like how I feel scum would react to replacing into a scum slot under pressure than town. I wouldn't say it pings me really hard, though. Smash pinged me, I didn't townread the replace, and no, I'm not townreading Vedith's entrance.
I just a little bit want to fight you on Rob too, but I don't have access to whatever he said in the PT that made you feel he was more townie I think
I certainly don't townread him for what he's said in Channel 5. (I don't scummread him for it either it's pure NAI)

This is the transition point, but notable: Robert as a peripheral scumread from Chito and Yuuri.
I'd like to point out how strongly anti-bussing these interactions are. Scum tend to fit into one of two molds; they either never ever ever release from the tunnel on their scumbuddy,

or

, they vote their scumbuddy but then quickly make excuses to get off and stay off. Chito and Yuuri got off...and back on...and back off...and back on...but stayed on more than off, and never made an excuse to STAY off. That is strongly indicative of town.

But let's continue pointing out Robert interactions as well.

We could sacrifice Robert to the Gods of the Post Count. This is an offering that would likely not offend the gods, although whether it would grant us a bountiful harvest is unclear. Such sacrifices tend to be erratic in quality, but do not tend to be significantly worse than other forms of offering.

Like you want to go yolo on Robert then that would be G, you want to help me figure out Elena's alignment that would be nice, but if I need to get a flip to resolve this thing between you and Near then it will be your flip.

Chito: To be clear, our vote hasn't moved from Morality yet because I want to talk to Yuuri about Elena's argument on Clem vs. Dunn's case on Robert in our hydra PT; also, perhaps, I very slightly want him lynched for talking shit about Nancy and so I wouldn't mind lynching him out of spite. But I'm not particularly optimistic he flips red at this point.

These I admit are not outside the realm of scum distancing, by the very same metric I established earlier; not joining the wagon there. But when you look at Chito and Yuuri's stances as a whole, their entire thought process is more or less transparent.

Across the whole game, they have shown a reasonable, logical train of thought, where they have outlined their thought process clearly and unambiguously. They have been asking questions that have moved the game forward in a clearly understandable, town-motivated way. They have been open, they have established dialogs, they have tried talking to people and bridging gaps, getting people on the same page, and I can quote literally dozens of examples of this from their iso.

They were literally the hardest pushers of Vedith being scum. They were on the peripheral supporting Robert as scum. They have had a trajectory of their reads easy to follow; you can understand how they got from point A to point B, and there's plenty of reasonable conclusions to be had in their thoughts.

So with that townread established.

You get to the magic 3.
{Elena, Near x Mello, Almost50}.

Elena Fisher, I don't believe is scum for one simple reason:
She doesn't fit as a scumbuddy with either of the two remaining names in the POE.
Near x Mello has been pushing her as scum for the whole game.
She and Almost50 have been antagonistic with one another to almost the same degree as I have been.

But beyond that, since others' POE pools include Chito and Yuuri for some weird reason when Chito and Yuuri are literally as obvtown as obvtown gets this game.
The way she played her role was town-indicative. She had no reason to claim it in the first place; she had no reason to use it to clear Pink Ball. In doing so, she not only made an unkillable conftown, but also placed her head in the chopping block, because in order to verify said unkillable town as conftown she'd need to be lynched.

These are some fairly compelling reasons, but they aren't enough to clear her the same way Chito and Yuuri are cleared, or any of the others are cleared. They are enough to put her out of my immediate focus.

Near x Mello fits as being scum, because if you look at

their

stances, they are pretty much the opposite of Chito and Yuuri.

ooba(5)

~ Dunnstral, Spike and Jet, Elena Fisher, Clemency, Gamma Emerald

ooba(4)

~ Dunnstral(4), Spike and Jet(37), Elena Fisher(12), Toogeloo(29)

Spike and Jet(5)

~ Severa(262), singletonking(45), Ankamius(150), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(88)

ooba(4)

~ Elena Fisher(12), Toogeloo(29), Spike and Jet(104), Near x Mello(260)

Creature

(9)

~ Severa(262), singletonking(45), Ankamius(149), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(51), Near x Mello(266), Pink Ball(34), Elena Fisher(30), Joan of Arc(100)

--

HAMMER

Gamma Emerald(3)

~ Reasonably Psychotic(25), Chito and Yuuri(37), Torque(30)

ooba(2)

~ Creature(104), Toogeloo(31)

Severa(1)

~ mastina(25)
Not Voting (2): Almost50(88), ooba(2)

When the ooba wagon was at its peak, Near x Mello were voting the other wagon. (I'd say counterwagon but technically I believe the Morality wagon came before the ooba wagon.) It was only after the ooba wagon was not at its peak that Near x Mello joined--yet they switched votes to Spike and Jet when the ooba wagon was picking up steam a second time. Had they stayed on ooba, the ooba wagon would've been larger than the Spike/Jet wagon.

They avoided voting ooba when it really counted--the thing which they accused me of doing.

Then on D3...

VOTE: rp
~Near

@RP
mastina and myself aren't touching you, I think

Why is RP town?
~Near

your just trying to discredit me, thats what youre doing
~Near

^subtly saying "this guy was wrong on severa, you shouldn't listen"
~Near

also spike & jet are also flipped and town
so far youve been 0/3
~Near

AND YET YOU'RE VOTING THE SAME PERSON AS THEM.
-Yukiteru

Ok so anyway, let me give you more of an actual introduction....

The only player I know here is Almost50 who I played with a few months ago. Otherwise the rest of you probably don’t know me and I don’t know you. Personally I don’t view this as a problem because I give 0 shits about meta and any meta-analysis. My reads are always entirely based on the situation and the motivations behind them. In fact it always amuses me to no end when people freely hand out playbooks to the scum team when they openly discuss “behavior X is towny of him and behavior Y is scummy”. So don’t count on me participating in any meta analysis here.

I have a few gut reactions but keep in mind that I didn’t officially inherit this role until late-ish last night and have only had about 2 hours to read up on over 3000 posts. My reads will come eventually. It does also help simply to get involved so I’m hoping to poke my head in a lot during these first few real-life days to get a better sense of you all.

Finally, anime is just an excuse for adults to keep watching cartoons and I don’t know a damn thing about anime. Shoot me.

Alright as if there were really any question...

VOTE: SuperfluousNinja.
Robert was playing in a way which loosely suggested he was scum, and the flake reeked of being an apathetic scum flakeout.
ooba's utter in-and-out without so much of a word of analysis reeked of being an apathetic scum flakeout.
And this entrance is a scum entrance.

mastina youve been wrong on both toog and fl. Is it time to apply bop yet?
~Near

that statement by rp was awful. SN has barely been here to know which wagon is likely to go through
Seeing you agree is more awful
~Near

how does a mastina/rp/elena team sound, guys?
Mastina pushes rp but forgets about it and starts tunneling town, and keeps elena as a townread for bs reasons. Elena and rp already made sense as buddies. I like it.
~Near

i dont agree youre "the most viable counterwagon", thats your own manipulative words to make your point
~Near

VOTE: SuperflousNinja

this lynch is stupid
theres no way both mastina and rp are town and theyre both content lynching this
~Near

page reminder that scumteam is mastina/rp/elena
everyone else is town
~Near

Do you think the constant lack of information on SN's part makes them town? I noticed they're not in your scumreads rn. In fact your scumpool looks remarkably different than from yesterday, explain.

yes sn posts and the fact both mastina and rp are pushing them for shit reasons have made sn a townread
My reads are the same as yesterday + mastina
~Near

eod2 was rc/ooba/rp
With rc flipping town that became ooba/rp/elena with mastina as a possibility but Elena+ooba didnt quite fit
and now im at mastina/rp/elena which fits perfectly
~Near

There's more.

VOTE: mastina
don't feel like lynching vedith anymore so I'll vote who mello wants
~Near

I can also vote drixx if he gains more traction

when i dont want a vedith lynch anymore everyone votes vedith

torque this is bs
The starfish claim is elaborate enough that there is zero doubt its provided
And his flavor matches the claim
Its not made up. Whether a real role or a provided fakeclaim, its the mod's mistake.
~Near

Remember the mold I used to describe what scum do?

They look for an excuse to get off the wagon.

Near x Mello absolutely did. And even when rejoining,

i dont get it but whatever
VOTE: vedith
~Near

He does so only after Vedith couldn't have escaped.

This is the pattern of scum distancing but avoiding the bus--when momentum builds on the scum, Near x Mello bailed from them.

The exact pattern of a scumbuddy.

Almost50, however, is who I'm trying to lynch, and deserves his own post.

[mastina]

the flavor list I collected is from before the end of D3. It's possible any/all of these people changed roles at the time the kill on Dunnstral went through.

But we know Almost50 did not.

If Almost50 changed his role, he wouldn't still have the posting restriction of being unable to post for the first howeverlongitis days of the game.

So we KNOW he is still Kirito.

[mastina]

Almost50 is scum because:

1:

His play lacks impact.

Almost50's play this game essentially lacks "oomph". He's posting, sure, but there isn't a real strength behind his pushes; there isn't a real fire to be seen. Every time I've seen this, I've thought, "Oh I've seen Almost50 be a little apathetic as town, he looks town for these (superficial) reasons so this must be one of those off-games of his".

And yet, every time I can think of? When I had that thought, he was actually scum. The superficial reasons were superficial, skin-deep, not actually valid, and the lack of oomph wasn't from apathy, or at least not apathy born of problems beyond the keyboard; the lack of oomph was directly correlated to his alignment. And this game, Almost50 is lacking oomph.

Here, he is easily ignored. Here, he lacks impact. Here, he's just there. Here, you can pay him no attention. I can just cruise by without really trying to. Something which tends to not happen when he is actually town.

2:

This is his scum meta.

Compare these three games.
To this various compilation[/url of hisnumerous towngames.

Then see which of those two this game is closer to.

3:

Nightkill Analysis; every scum kill scumread him.

Drixx was, mechanically, suspicious of Almost50 holding a scum role--Drixx being a king of mechanics, this made him a threat because he was mechanically suspecting Almost50. Reference:

A50 is either having a laugh as an informed/scum role or has somehow managed to be over the top nonchalant as town since the last time I played with him as town.

Drixx said that Almost50, to his knowledge, hadn't managed to be this "over the top nonchalant town" as town before; Drixx noted that Almost50 was likely having a laugh as a scum role.

Almost50 acknowledged the threat Drixx posed:

@Drixx: I know why you may not think I'm playing to my town meta, but I can't explain it right now. Maybe on D3 or D4 if we're both still alive.

This showed that Almost50 did view Drixx as a viable threat to him.

Ankamius has an established track record of correctly scumreading Almost50. In particular, look at what she did to Almost50 in police academy. She DESTROYED him. She absolutely recked him.
And she was scumreading Almost50.
Almost50 had access to that neighborhood; he knew that Ankamius was scumreading him as a result. This means that he absolutely viewed her as a threat.

Dunnstral was literally one of the strongest proponents for Almost50 being scum. I cite this as evidence:

Pretty sure Mastina is town
And then I think there's enough pointing to town RP that I don't want to lynch them either
Let me talk about my reads for a moment, they look something like this:

Torque, Mastina

Reasonably Psychotic

Elena Fisher, Gamma Emerald

Chito & Yuuri, Pink Ball, Near x Mello

Almost50

Almost50

: Here are the points of interest regarding A50, which he wants you to forget about:

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

I don't like your voting patterns. Let me give you an example: You think BOTH FL & ooba are scum?

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

I pointed out that I had mentioned something about Morality in my pt, and he ate it up. He then goes on to ask me who scum is in my hood (nonsense, the burden is on him, and the pressure should be on him)
Notably, if scum don't have daytalk then just being scum wouldn't be enough to gather this information, so that point by him is moot anyway. I theorize that he can't see into my neighborhood during the day, but may or may not be able to get info on it during the night, and if he can't then he was just making stuff up

There's more.

Almost50 either can see into all neighborhoods, is hiding in my neighborhood but won't reveal, or had his scum mates in my hood relay my thoughts to him

Let's start with #3. Now that you know/suspect there's scum in there you need to decide whom it is. THAT is a good starting point.

First step is to lynch you

A50 is probably lying about being able to see into my pt, but I also don't think scum have daytalk, so he could just be lying straight up to cover himself making stuff up earlier
Which goes back to the original point of "why did he scumread me"

Also, A50 is more likely to be scum than either of Mastina/Elena individually, and isn't more likely to be correct on his reads than average if he's town anyway

i dont get it but whatever
VOTE: vedith
~Near

VOTE: Vedith
All caught up. Not even sure how I feel about this, but letting him off the hook will always come back to haunt us later on regardless of his true alignment.

L-1

For comparison, here's what a towny vote looks like:

VOTE: Vedith

Torque, Mastina

Reasonably Psychotic

Elena Fisher, Gamma Emerald

Chito & Yuuri, Pink Ball, Near x Mello

Almost50

Alright, I did some thinking, here is what I think about the game now:

Torque
Mastina
Reasonably Psychotic

Joan of Arc
Chito & Yuuri

Elena Fisher
Pink Ball
Gamma Emerald

Near x Mello

Almost50

Vote Almost50 or you're getting lynched today
It's that simple

There's more, but I think I've made my point abundantly clear.

Almost50 was Dunnstral's #1 scumread.

Ankamius, who has an established track record of being able to NAIL Almost50 as scum, was scumreading him.

Drixx, who is a mechanical king, had a mechanical scumread on Almost50 and thought his approach wasn't likely to come from town.

The scum nightkills all support him being scum.

4:

Role; he has a scum role.

This is a double point, actually.
Cerberus himself pointed this out, in tandem with Drixx above:

The strongest argument in favor of him being town was the warning he gave everyone(to share what I was thinking there, he only does that as scum in two situations: If his teammates include Drixx, myself, Wisdom, Alisae, or mastina(just don't see that coming from anyone else in this game who's scum game I'm familiar with), or if a/his scum role includes an ability to spy on/be part of all the PT's). I found it unlikely that his team included the people I thought capable of guiding him towards taking that line, but as the game has gone on I've grown more certain that the scum team has that ability to spy on pt's, so he's really left with nothing in terms of reasons to townread him.

Honestly, pure speculation of course, but I think it's super likely that his absence from the thread right now is part of an ability that let's him look at all the other PT's during this time when he's gone from the main thread.

His ability to look at PTs is also proven by his knowledge of Dunnstral having held Morality suspicion in the PT but not the game thread.
For that proof, refer again to Almost50/Dunnstral:

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

I don't like your voting patterns. Let me give you an example: You think BOTH FL & ooba are scum?

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

Or you saw it in my neighborhood, where I did have suspicion on Morality at one point

So does this mean you're hiding in that neighborhood, or are your scum buddies feeding you info? Can you make a post if you're in my neighborhood?

Whether or not I am in that neighborhood is irrelevant. I did explicitly warn against the possibility of me being able to read ALL Channels, so anyone who said anything they shouldn't have will only have themselves to blame. And yes, that explains the remark then. Thank you.

It's not irrelevant, if you're not in my neighborhood my assumption is then that you're scum and that someone in the neighborhood is feeding you info. You said you needed to reveal in one of your neighborhoods on day 3, why not do it now?

Almost50, in spite of claiming otherwise, had a method of knowing about content from the Channel 48 neighborhood where Dunnstral posted the Morality suspicion.

He has proven access to no less than two other neighborhoods.
If he has the ability to read/interact with three...why not all four?

The scum spy is literally outed as being Almost50.

But beyond that, there is also the case I made:

Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

We know that the scum have a way to be immune to death.
It can be reasonably inferred this method is not unlimited, or else scum would've killed Chito and Yuuri.
It can be reasonably inferred this method would be likely to be a bulletproof, one shot, as a result.

Almost50's flavor perfectly aligns with possessing a bulletproof.

Furthermore, Almost50's vague roleclaim means that he has the open door to fakeclaim whatever he wants:

My role is as follows:

On N1 I unlock "Experience". Starting N1 I gain 100K Exp times the Night # (100K on N1 + 200K on N2 + 300K on N3). That's it.

On N2 I unlock the post-restriction you all have witnessed (it applies to every subsequent day phase, so I won;t be posting for the first week of D4 as well)

On N3 I "thought" I would gain a new ability. After discussing with the mod and rereading the role PM I realized it didn't say I would gain a new ability on N3, but rather "when I've gained enough experience". The mod specifically told me 600K may not be enough still. That was when I exclaimed on how I was supposed to decide on whether I should request a new role when I don't know what THIS role's ability is/would be. Tatsuya said to take it on faith and that I'd have to gamble on one or the other.

So, that's what my role is, and my flavor has been claimed to both members alive in CH5.

He can claim that he gets nothing; he can claim that he got something that can't be proven. The claim is one with absolute zero accountability. The claim is one which leaves him flexible enough where he can claim whatever he wants--including claiming nothing.

It is the perfect cover for possessing a bulletproof, because he doesn't need to claim he has it and can claim something else--or even nothing at all.

5:

Suspicious interactions with flipped scum.

@Vedith: Why PB?

Because I'm top voted and I got worried and panicked. You should vote with me.

I love your honesty. here's a reward:
UNVOTE:

Remember when I said that scum would look for an excuse to unvote?

This is that.

Almost50 drops an unvote, and critically--he avoids voting again. He doesn't latch onto something else; he just drops his push, dead, because he "liked his honesty".

not seeing why vedith is town, enlighten me
~Near

For now, it's a gut feeling (and certainly not the strongest of my reads). Gamma & Pink Ball though are strong TRs and I'm confident they're both Town.
My theory is Vedith is an easy push, so scum are counting on town to do the job for them.

cmon, thats weak. "easy" wagons happen on scum all the time. I agree with your gamma and pink reads.
~Near

Separately, it does seem to be weak indeed. However, there are some other (even weaker) indications that -collectively- add up to a "not-so-strong yet not-too-weak" reasoning.

For example, my PoE and my SRs support that conclusion. Of course I cannot be confident without having any flips at all, but IF I am correct about X, Y & Z being the scum team then that's that.

As for Vedith himself, I don't think Scum!him (who had just voted someone and declared it was a survivalistic vote on his counter wagon), would respond to me unvoting him by FoS'ing me. (After all, he knows I'm bad.. I'm bad, he knows it.. ) and he thus was risking me not only revoting him but actually pushing him for real.

@Dunn: I'm not saying he flips red. In fact I still lean towards a green flip. HOWEVER, this will never go away. It's better to deal with it NOW than to let scum use it as a smoke screen to keep us chasing our tails all game.
IMHO, I don't even know why he decided to full claim at that point. Yet again, I dunno why people are claiming their roles in hoods either. *Shrug*

This is the very thing Near x Mello accused me of doing: Almost50 was stalling the Vedith lynch.

@A50: If Vedith is a villager and is an easy push as you say, scum has all the incentive to hop on his wagon yet the wagon came to a halt
Either there is scum already voting there or Vedith is a wolf

No. If they thought town would do the job for them they would stay clear off the wagon and play for time. Maybe they thought it "could" go through without them and now are considering throwing their weight behind it towards the end of the day, but for now are hoping that the town still does the job for them.

Also let's not forget the other 2 wagons are on stronger TRs, and scum wouldn't e stupid enough to try and save one of them by pushing someone unlikely to get lynched on D1. The wagons are thus composed so that any townie looking to consolidate at crunch time would look at the 3 and think Vedith is the right way to go given there are no other options by then.

He went out of his way to defend Vedith, in fact.

I support Toog's notion. Let's force scum to hop on counter wagons sooner than later so it will become apparent who's aligned with whom (even if I die you will have the VCA at your disposal, though -tbh- I'm not sure I get shot over half of this players list.)
VOTE: mastina

And voted a counterwagon to Vedith.

Okay right now I'm at this.
VOTE: Almost50
Challenge me.

A50 is town guys.

Why?

This is blatant scum theater--this is not a real push. This is not an attempt to generate a counterwagon. This is an attempt to make distance.

The unvote was most likely a hop off the sinking ship. It's not unusual for me to be the main attraction to the death tunnel day 1, so why stay on?
The reason of me panicking, I can't see this being bought by anyone who has played with me previously, yet it was apparently a really good answer to stop voting.

Originally Almost looked to be pushing the game, and when it looks to have little to no pressure on them, it's a bunch of worthless and empty typing.
That said, the game state is in a bad shape, so it's plausible that this is void, but I'm still going with tut tut.

That's all I have as I don't want to vote Gamma yet.

This is an awkward push on Almost50.

But this is my point to the game, since I joined in (I take no blame though) majority players are doing fuck all. So the fact that Almost had better looking posts until as of recent means I shouldn't use that as a reason to thing of him as scum... However much I want to.
It's also sad that my biggest current scum read goes ahead because of an unvote on me. But that's how it is.

Here he's already giving reasons for backing out of the scumread on Almost50.

VOTE: Pink Ball

In fact, he drops it altogether.

Why didn't he keep pushing Almost50?

It's the same pattern:
Voting for a scumbuddy, but then backing off, creating distance without actually bussing.

Idk, I havn't seen much of a change with Pink ball or Near. I'd actually put Mastina as an actual town read, she's been completely different then the game I played with her when she was scum. Maybe its so many people causing issues for me, But I have half the reads I'd like.

Vedith is odd

, but don't have strong feelings either ways. However, a flip would help with reads there...

A50 seems crazy still

. Toogeloo post seem odd to me as well.

Pay attention to these reads from Robert as well.

[mastina]

I don't actually see why Elena can't be scum fake claiming the weak modifier.

She can; I simply have reasons for not thinking she is.

but that conftown is lost if she is flipped

No, because said conftown is also unkillable.

[mastina]

You misunderstand.
Scum!Elena claims PB is conftown; scum!elena is flipped, and now PB is no longer conftown because they were vouched for by scum.
They are, wt the least, downgraded to probtown, depending on if you think Elena was more or less likely to fake a clear on her teammate.

It should be noted that the plan was for Torque to watch Pink Ball--thus confirming that Elena visited.
With Elena flipping, if her role did contain a weak modifier, then regardless of whether she flipped town or scum, Pink Ball would be conftown because Torque would've confirmed Elena's visit.

Yes, Torque didn't watch Pink Ball, but Elena was under the impression he would be.

Yes, it does mean that Elena as scum fakeclaiming the weak modifier doesn't conftown Pink Ball.

But given these circumstances, the idea that she's scum fakeclaiming weak, visiting her scumbuddy, are...quite a stretch to say the least; it is far more likely that that's not the case.

[mastina]

I'm quite curious about our millers,actually. A watcher isn't sufficient reason for millers. Purely a red herring, or is someone a cop? Or did someone maybe have a cop as the role they could drop into? But no, adding a cop to the game on N4 is really bad for scum and hard to balance. :/

It's pretty much proven to be exactly that, though: either a red herring (quite possible), or a N3 switch (equally as possible).

[mastina]

Honestly, the tmi on Dunnstral, plus the scum need for kill immunity last night, as well as the general lack of oomph in his play.

he has oomph as scum too. lack of oomph is not ai

False.

anyone could have kill immunity

False.
For someone to have kill immunity, they need to have a flavor justification for it.

or it might not even be kill immunity but a doc or a rolestop or anything else

For that to be the case, the scumbuddy must have targeted their scumbuddy doing the nightkill.

we cant speculate off flavor

Except yes we can?

he obviously has access to all pts so he read what dunn said

Yeah...but critically, he denied this fact. Cerb said it himself:

If he has access to all pts, he's likely scum. If he has access and LIED about it, as he did in the dunnstral case, he's DEFINITELY scum.

[mastina]

why the hell would he tell people not to post in pts as scum who has access to all pts

Why the hell wouldn't he?

[mastina]

nobody even makes sense as scum with almost
elena? no
chito? no
nobody can be scum with almost

You fit, and ironically, you're trying to use the same logic I did about me, for Almost50, and I feel like I can point out that both of these players have just as much a chance of being scum with Almost50 as I have with being scum with them.

[mastina]

why the hell would he tell people not to post in pts as scum who has access to all pts

Why the hell wouldn't he?

Because common sense

Common sense?

From Almost50?



It's like you don't know him at all.

[mastina]

i said like a million times chito makes sense as a mastina buddy

And ignored me when I said otherwise.
Why shouldn't I ignore you when you say you don't fit as an Almost50 buddy?
Or for that matter.
Why shouldn't I ignore you when you say that Chito and Yuuri doesn't fit as an Almost50 buddy?

I don't think Chito and Yuuri are scum, but I also don't see why you think that combo is impossible.

[mastina]

i never said i dont fit as an almost buddy
i said im not scum so from my pov there are no almost buddies

And yet that argument carries no weight when it's mine.

[mastina]

so even interactions aside, a combination of {me, almost, Chito} means all scum were in ch5

And this is supposed to be unlikely...

...Why?

...When alignments were generated after people's picks, and people got their first picks pretty much, and their first picks are the flavor which their neighborhood membership are based upon?

Everyone in channel 48 picked a slice of life anime; everyone in other channels has linked flavor based on some other common traits. Those were always picked, no matter what, and alignments were the next thing rolled. So why wouldn't there be all scum in the same neighborhood? That's like saying there wouldn't be all scum in a row in the playerlist--in spite of the mod using explicitly random alignment generation.

Random doesn't mean "this can't happen", it means it is statistically an anomaly to happen, but can in fact happen and does. A mod who rerolled because all scum were in a row on the playerlist would be using (bleeped because bleep the mod) mod interference.
Same argument applies for neighborhoods--a mod who rerolled because all scum were in one neighborhood would be using that very same mod interference. It is (bleeped because bleep the mod) modding all around so if you believe in the competency of Tatsuya as a moderator, you MUST believe as a direct correlation that Tatsuya would stick to their flavor/alignment guns and no shift things on that merit.

[mastina]

One of the terms they have is 贴脸, I don't know if there is an elegant way to translate this term, but what that means is when somebody makes a statement that comes without logic, is purely emotional. Usually is when somebody bets intangible things like reputation, pride, intelligence, personality and emotions to gain trust. Some example could be like "If I'm not town, I will quit mafia forever.", and "If I flip cop, you go eat shit.", these statements are hugely imbalanced for the game and goes against the game's spirit and it's an unspoken rule that you don't make such statements.

And as far as I'm concerned.
That phrase might as well translate to "Welcome to (bleeped because bleep the mod) mafiascum players".

I can and HAVE seen players made the EXACT type of play you are talking about...as scum.
(bleeped because bleep the mod), back in the day.
When AtE kings ruled the day.
Players like RadiantCowbells were INFAMOUS for it.
If he were alive, he'd be the FIRST to tell you as much, in fact.

That what Almost50 said does

not

make him town, that he is just as equally capable of saying it as scum--and would.
Anything which you can do as town, you can do as scum.
ANYTHING.
There are things that are despicable to do as scum--that doesn't mean they aren't done.
There are things that are despicable to do regardless of alignment (and this is what I classify Almost50's action as)--that doesn't mean that they were done as town.

(I'd put a 99% on it).

Would this faith remain if I linked to multiple cases of people making almost identical posts to Almost50...as scum?
Because I can.

You know WHY I can?

Because on mafiascum.

Home of toxicity.

That kind of play.
Is.
Not.
Uncommon.
From.
Scum.

Anyway, your plays coming into the day by voting Elena is tbh, kinda questionable, given your position on the game.

My position on the game is "(bleeped because bleep the mod) everyone else, I don't (bleeped because bleep the mod) care that she's not scum, I want some (bleeped because bleep the mod) vindication" more or less, when it comes to voting Elena.
My vote is currently on Almost50.
But I would move back to Elena if need be for that one reason alone.
Her townflip proves me right.

It serves other purposes. It conftowns Pink Ball.
But it mostly serves to prove me right--not just to others. But also to myself, because being proven right helps me more than not being proven wrong ever would. (Spike and Jet as a lynch, for instance, was a case of me not being proven wrong, but I wouldn't actually call it a case of me being proven right. Elena as a lynch, flipping town, WOULD be a case of me being proven right.)
Like I said.
She is in the POE pool. Her lynch proves I'm not partners with her. Her lynch closes a lot of mislynch options. But I still think she's town, so really my only main reason I'd vote her is exactly what I said, for vindication.

And we can in fact do better than that--thus why I'm voting Almost50.

you voting her too, as I said before, I don't believe your justification.

Dude read our (bleeped because bleep the mod) neighborhood.
I literally said in there.
And this is almost verbatim.
"If you're not dead tomorrow, I'm lynching you".
And you know how I am with promises.

I forget what more I want to say. I'm sure there are more things though.

How about my full commentary on people?

It's not like it's a ton of posts.
Just two.
I mean there's a lot more than those two when it comes to why I'm town, but those two are why everyone except for Almost50 and Near x Mello are town.

[mastina]

Chito: @A50, I think I kinda gave up trying to actually make my way through mastina's wallposts but I keep feeling like I should seriously engage with them but there's just so many repeated points.

They're not repeated.
They build off of one another.
They're never irrelevant, either.
If you want to engage with why I'm not scum, there's a huge amount to wade through, sure.

But if you want to see why everyone except for Almost50 and Near x Mello are town--and here is where I

am

repeating myself--you can do it quite simply:

Just two.

Those two posts are all you

really

need.

[mastina]

She's been lying out of her teeth

Oh really.
Then you'd be quite able to share with the class what said lies would be!

[mastina]

Please refrain from using inappropriate words, guys.

Remember when I said the mod warned me and that since then I've been using "(bleeped because bleep the mod)"?

I wasn't (bleeped because bleep the mod) lying.

[mastina]

@mastina, who is the scum in 2.13 again?

You already know that the first half of the wagon is SOLIDLY town.
We already pretty much know Joan is town.
We know that Pink Ball is town.
What does that tell you?

The only possible scum on the wagon are Near x Mello and Elena Fisher.

You might note both are in my POE pool and I'd lynch either.

Why so few scum on a known town wagon?

Because the wagon was led by (bleeped because bleep the mod) RADIANTCOWBELLS.
RC can make an all town wagon on town by sheer force of personality alone--I don't think he

did

, but I've seen it happen, on multiple occasions; he's gone from having a wagon with nobody voting there to lynching that player in less than 48 hours, on at least three separate occasions that I can think of. (Granted, at least one of said occasions

was

on scum, butstill.)

I don't think the lynchwagon is that productive.
Instead, I'd look elsewhere.

If you paid attention to my posting, you'd also know that I pointed out that Almost50's lack of vote was suspicious-as-(bleeped because bleep the mod). It wasn't a compelling/strong enough point to be included in my Almost50 case, but it

was

one of the things I thought made him scum. I didn't include it in the case because I felt it was a weak point that'd drag the total quality of the case down, but that doesn't mean it isn't a point altogether. Almost50 had

multiple

chances to cast a vote on D2--he chose not to.

You don't find that suspect even remotely?

[mastina]

Spoiler: Oh God Please Don't Break

so even interactions aside, a combination of {me, almost, Chito} means all scum were in ch5

And this is supposed to be unlikely...

...Why?

...When alignments were generated after people's picks, and people got their first picks pretty much, and their first picks are the flavor which their neighborhood membership are based upon?

Everyone in channel 48 picked a slice of life anime; everyone in other channels has linked flavor based on some other common traits. Those were always picked, no matter what, and alignments were the next thing rolled. So why wouldn't there be all scum in the same neighborhood? That's like saying there wouldn't be all scum in a row in the playerlist--in spite of the mod using explicitly random alignment generation.

Random doesn't mean "this can't happen", it means it is statistically an anomaly to happen, but can in fact happen and does. A mod who rerolled because all scum were in a row on the playerlist would be using (bleeped because bleep the mod) mod interference.
Same argument applies for neighborhoods--a mod who rerolled because all scum were in one neighborhood would be using that very same mod interference. It is (bleeped because bleep the mod) modding all around so if you believe in the competency of Tatsuya as a moderator, you MUST believe as a direct correlation that Tatsuya would stick to their flavor/alignment guns and no shift things on that merit.

Bullshit!

Oh do tell. Point out what's wrong.
Because my point's pretty damn right.
I am telling you that not as a player.
But as a (bleeped because bleep the mod) moderator.
I'd frankly blacklist a mod who, seeing all the scumteam in a spot, decided "welp that's unacceptable, let's reroll".
And this game being reviewed by mhsmith and Varsoon, I can be confident that even IF Tatsuya WERE that kind of a mod, they would encourage him to not do so, to leave it as-is.

Spoiler: PLEASE DON'T BREAK SITE

One of the terms they have is 贴脸, I don't know if there is an elegant way to translate this term, but what that means is when somebody makes a statement that comes without logic, is purely emotional. Usually is when somebody bets intangible things like reputation, pride, intelligence, personality and emotions to gain trust. Some example could be like "If I'm not town, I will quit mafia forever.", and "If I flip cop, you go eat shit.", these statements are hugely imbalanced for the game and goes against the game's spirit and it's an unspoken rule that you don't make such statements.

And as far as I'm concerned.
That phrase might as well translate to "Welcome to (bleeped because bleep the mod) mafiascum players".

I can and HAVE seen players made the EXACT type of play you are talking about...as scum.
(bleeped because bleep the mod), back in the day.
When AtE kings ruled the day.
Players like RadiantCowbells were INFAMOUS for it.
If he were alive, he'd be the FIRST to tell you as much, in fact.

That what Almost50 said does

not

make him town, that he is just as equally capable of saying it as scum--and would.
Anything which you can do as town, you can do as scum.
ANYTHING.
There are things that are despicable to do as scum--that doesn't mean they aren't done.
There are things that are despicable to do regardless of alignment (and this is what I classify Almost50's action as)--that doesn't mean that they were done as town.

(I'd put a 99% on it).

Would this faith remain if I linked to multiple cases of people making almost identical posts to Almost50...as scum?
Because I can.

You know WHY I can?

Because on mafiascum.

Home of toxicity.

That kind of play.
Is.
Not.
Uncommon.
From.
Scum.

Anyway, your plays coming into the day by voting Elena is tbh, kinda questionable, given your position on the game.

My position on the game is "(bleeped because bleep the mod) everyone else, I don't (bleeped because bleep the mod) care that she's not scum, I want some (bleeped because bleep the mod) vindication" more or less, when it comes to voting Elena.
My vote is currently on Almost50.
But I would move back to Elena if need be for that one reason alone.
Her townflip proves me right.

It serves other purposes. It conftowns Pink Ball.
But it mostly serves to prove me right--not just to others. But also to myself, because being proven right helps me more than not being proven wrong ever would. (Spike and Jet as a lynch, for instance, was a case of me not being proven wrong, but I wouldn't actually call it a case of me being proven right. Elena as a lynch, flipping town, WOULD be a case of me being proven right.)
Like I said.
She is in the POE pool. Her lynch proves I'm not partners with her. Her lynch closes a lot of mislynch options. But I still think she's town, so really my only main reason I'd vote her is exactly what I said, for vindication.

And we can in fact do better than that--thus why I'm voting Almost50.

you voting her too, as I said before, I don't believe your justification.

Dude read our (bleeped because bleep the mod) neighborhood.
I literally said in there.
And this is almost verbatim.
"If you're not dead tomorrow, I'm lynching you".
And you know how I am with promises.

I forget what more I want to say. I'm sure there are more things though.

How about my full commentary on people?

It's not like it's a ton of posts.
Just two.
I mean there's a lot more than those two when it comes to why I'm town, but those two are why everyone except for Almost50 and Near x Mello are town.

Horseshit!

Again, do tell. I can (and in some cases, have) backed my argument up; where's your rebuttal?

READ MATHBLADE'S ISO IN ANY OF HIS PREVIOUS GAMES. IT WON'T GIVE YOU ANY INSIGHT BECAUSE MATHBLADE ISN'T EVEN PLAYING IN THIS GAME, AND THAT PROVES YOU ARE SCUM.

The difference is I've cited actual game evidence that is relevant and pertinent.
Yes, quite a bit of it is in self-defense, but everything I link checks out and has game-relevance to the points I raise.

Except for that one time where I was up late and was rambling.
That one time, sure, yeah, didn't have game relevance, although I later managed to make some from it anyway.
But aside from that one ramble where I went on, everything has had relevance to the points being raised. I gave clear evidence and clear counters and clear cases.

You pretending that they're irrelevant doesn't make them so.

P-edit: You mean when you said..

Fuck

this bullshit the mod just

fucking

warned me.I'm

fucking

done.

?????

Correct. That did happen, in the same tone that Tatsuya posted publicly just now.

[mastina]

Almost50 had multiple chances to cast a vote on D2--he chose not to.

Chito: He voted both you and Elena, who you just said is possible scum?

I was referring to after his unvote.

He had multiple chances to put that vote back on.

He chose not to.

He chose to remain Not Voting at that critical juncture in the game.

That's what I found suspect.

[mastina]

He left himself Not Voting there--where he stayed throughout the day.
Why no vote here?
Or here?
Or here?
Here?
When Spike/Jet was being wagoned, why didn't he fight it?
Why didn't he insist that Spike/Jet was town?
Why, when on D1 to counter the Vedith wagon he voted...
...Did he not vote?

On D1, when there was a player he townread (Vedith), Almost50 tried to counterwagon them, and admitted as much.
On D2, a player he townread, Almost50...did nothing for.
The difference between the two is Vedith was scum and Spike/Jet wasn't.

This was my original point. You read this, yes?
So you should know what I mean by it.
Like I said, it didn't make the cut for being a strong compelling point to include in my Almost50 case, but it still resonates AS a valid point.

[mastina]

Chito: Mastina, your arguments for A50 scum kinda ignore the things that make him town.

I've countered those, too, albeit admittedly not as well as I should.

One thing that I know you're not aware of since we haven't really talked about it is that A50 was starting to push Ankamius the same night that scum were nightkilling her (which we know since Gamma vigged RC right) in Channel 5. Just for reference, I have never seen scum push someone in a PT the same night that they are nightkilling that slot.
This is the post of someone who is submitting a nightkill on Ank within the next 18 hours of that post? Like... I don't think so.

Yes?

Like.

It's called.

Using the (bleeped because bleep the mod) neighborhood for cheap-ass towncred.

It's literally a basic bitch move.

Neighborhoods are

ridiculously

easy to manipulate.
You want proof of this?
Look at the list of Large Theme games featuring games that have literally everyone in a neighborhood.

Look at how many of them are town wins.

I'm sure if I thought about it hard enough I'd be able to remember one or two, but in spite of this being a REALLY common mechanic, you know how many of them are scum wins?

Almost literally every single one.
Scum won, in part due to neighborhood manipulation.

[mastina]

Look at the list of Large Theme games featuring games that have literally everyone in a neighborhood.
Look at how many of them are town wins.

This would take me time to compile, but I legit would be willing to, to prove this point.
Biochemistry, scum win; SMITE, scum win; Night and Day, scum win; etc.

Do you want me to find all the large theme games with the every-player-in-a-neighborhood and check which alignment won?

Because disproportionately, you'll find them to be scum wins, I guarantee it.

For that exact reason.

Scum manipulate what they say in the neighborhood to their advantage.

If Almost50 had said that in the game thread, it'd have been a valid point, believe it or not.
But he didn't.
He specifically said it in the NEIGHBORHOOD.
To manipulate his NEIGHBORS.

[mastina]

Chito: Mastina, your arguments for A50 scum kinda ignore the things that make him town.

N x M's arguments for why mastina's scum kinda ignore the things than make her town, and I don't see anyone calling them out regarding that, except me.

This, too.

[mastina]

Look at the list of Large Theme games featuring games that have literally everyone in a neighborhood. Look at how many of them are town wins.

This would take me time to compile, but I legit would be willing to, to prove this point. Biochemistry, scum win; SMITE, scum win; Night and Day, scum win; etc.
Because disproportionately, you'll find them to be scum wins, I guarantee it.
For that exact reason.
Scum manipulate what they say in the neighborhood to their advantage.

(Btw, I don't count Steven Universe as being an example because technically speaking, the neighborhoods were optional. However, if I did, the town win in Steven Universe 2 is counterbalanced by the equal and opposite scum win in Steven Universe original--and, mind you, it should also be noted that the town win in SU2 was in (bleeped because bleep the mod) lylo, and was VERY close, as both Drixx and Cerb will insist on reminding you. They almost won that game, anyway! And had they, it'd only corroborate my point further. Scum manipulate their neighborhoods in precisely the way they need to in order to pocket members of said neighborhood.)

[mastina]

Oh and by the way.
Open offer.
If you want me to give a single-post case for why I am town, fully down for it.

Would take me some time to write up because there are a LOT of strong (bleeped because bleep the mod) points each of which could be backed up extensively, but I could get it to be like...the ten strongest points or so.

[mastina]

He isn't even trying over and over and over and over again, and expects all of you to follow blindly. If you give in to his demands like this, then you're not as logical as I thought you were.

He was all over Chito or Elena yesterday, yet as soon as Almost50 came in swinging, he jumped back onto mastina, abandoning his Chito/Elena scumread on the spot. It was as if he was waiting for someone to provide justification why his preferred mislynch was scum, which Almos50 did.

Don't do as scum wishes.

You know you've been owned when it is JOAN of all people who raises the strong points.

[mastina]

Sounds like what you did with Torque and Elena tbh

Oh do tell.
Because every time my neighborhood townread me for something in the neighborhood, I specifically told them not to townread me for that thing.
Every time I did something which I knew could be seen as manipulative, I specifically told them I was working on fixing it--for instance, working on bringing it to the game thread.

And with the exception of the flavor leaf case, every time I said something in the neighborhood, I brought that content into the game thread.

With the sole exception of roles, every piece of game content in my neighborhood, I brought out to the game thread.

So do tell what's so manipulative about my neighborhood--because you can directly access its content through my iso HERE. You can quote my posts in the game thread which drew from neighborhood content and mark which ones were "manipulative".

Literally the entirety of my neighborhood (minus the flavor leaf case), it is in the game thread.
I have 132 posts in there.

You know how many of those posts don't have an in-thread equivalent?

One, where I said to Elena that if she didn't think Gamma was scum he'd be a good target, and where I defended why the game has four--not five--scum in it.
A couple dealing with roles.
A post on February 27th where I said I was talking to the mod and to wait for a bit.
Maybe a post on why SuperfluousNinja was scum (don't know if that got in thread or not).
I guess there's a few posts on my Spike/Jet stance, as well as my preference for ooba. That'd be two more.
Then my flavor leaf case and responses to it--another three.

That's it.
The entirety of posts with no in-thread equivalent.
Out of my 132 posts, a grand total of ten have no game equivalent--the rest?
The rest all found their way to the game thread.
Literally ALL of them, at some point, I used in this game thread.

So, tell me.
Which of those ten was manipulative?
Or, tell me.
Which piece of my game thread content, originating from the neighborhood first, was manipulative?

[mastina]

(Mind you the reason I didn't post the flavor leaf case in here is because it was incomplete. It wasn't coherent, it wasn't complete, it didn't cover all the points I wanted it to, so I knew that if I posted it in here, it'd be ignored. I posted it in the neighborhood but told them, repeatedly, "this case is incomplete", stressing that fact, that I was pretty much using the neighborhood as a notepad, essentially, where I'd be able to look at it and refine the formatting. But the slot was replaced before I could refine in further, and Severa made me lose all interest in casing the slot, which is why it never made its way to the game thread.)

[mastina]

Your explanation sounds exactly what I would expect from a scum manipulating town on a neighborhood lol

I repeat.
Do tell.
I have been incredibly transparent about my content.
It is out in the open, for peer review.

What sounds manipulative about it, precisely?

[mastina]

To my knowledge, EVERYONE still in the game has at some point said they would vote mastina.

And what does that say about me?

Oh yeah.

It says that either my scumbuddy decided to (bleeped because bleep the mod) bus.

Or that I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) town, because I don't have that defense.

[mastina]

Whats the secondary consensus?

By votes, that'd be Almost50.

By opinion, him/Near x Mello/Elena. Not quite sure whether by opinion Elena > Near x Mello, or Near x Mello > Elena, but both of them sit in the same spot as Almost50 does.

[mastina]

Amz, though, thinks their suspicion of us, which is rooted in their fear that our slot splitting was caused by us getting killed by dunn last night, is a very town thought to have.

I agree with that interpretation for what it's worth.

[mastina]

mastina's main case against A50 was on D3, and you began D4 saying you would lynch mastina. I don't think things have changed that much to make that kind of change of mind.

Check your facts mate.
If you think that my content came from D3, you apparently haven't been reading D4.

[mastina]

I think lynching mastina explains the mechanical mystery far better, don't you think?

Considering that I am mechanically proven to not be the source of the nightkill immunity?

Nope not really.

Like.

Torque confirmed that I visited him.
This means that I can't possess a doctor power to protect my scumbuddy, because you can only use one action a night. (Scum can use one action plus the nightkill, so I could be the killer still, yes--but I could not be the source of the kill immunity.)

It is 100% proven that scum had kill immunity.
It is 100% proven that I did not give a scumbuddy kill immunity, and a solid 95% proven that I do not possess natural kill immunity.

That doesn't

altogether

eliminate the chance I'm scum, sure--but it does incredibly limit the options.

[mastina]

Amz wants us to just hammer mastina to end the day so we can move on.

Mistake; I can show myself to be town fairly easily, if someone only asks it of me.

Would take me a few hours to write out, but I can do so--if you ask it of me, you'll have it.

[mastina]

I can't keep handling Joan's harassment in our Channel.

That harassment doubles down when I flip town.

Still planning on replacing out when that happens?

[mastina]

But your harassment without mastina's flip is unjustified

Why? She's got a (bleeped because bleep the mod) accurate read on me, and is the only one to have one--even in a playerlist which SHOULD (bleeped because bleep the mod) be able to read me.

She has every right to it, because she's (bleeped because bleep the mod) right--and you can't pretend she doesn't deserve it when she. is. right.

[mastina]

sure, i wanna see those kind of posts made by scum. i've only seen it once on MS and that was my own slot in Yume's cutsie upick and we were town

I've seen them before from scum, but don't have the time tonight--can do this tomorrow after I'm home from work tho! It'd take some time to track them down, but is doable.

[mastina]

@mastina: actually, what happened to the full claim today idea you had yesterday?

I fullclaimed.
Others didn't.
It's not like I can exactly force them to, now, can I?

I want it, sure.
But I can't force it.

[mastina]

I actually liked A50's case on Elena, and if he thinks that despite it that mastina is still the more likely scum, then I'm willing to back him up.

It should be noted.
That of the people voting me.
The closest there is to a case on me comes from Near x Mello.

...Whose points on me being scum.

Were proven wrong.
Time and time again, literally shown to be factually incorrect at every step of the way.

And that's what you're aiming to sheep?

[mastina]

yeah, now that shes close to a lynch
for the rest of the game theyve avoided it

False. Chito and Yuuri set it up at the end of D3.
They were V/LA for D4.
Don't (bleeped because bleep the mod) pretend that they weren't V/LA. Because of course Chito and Yuuri aren't going to be voting me when they're V/LA, they're not going to be voting ANYONE while they're V/LA.

[mastina]

there are 203 pages of content to see who makes sense as scum with mastina
deciding it off who is voting her now or not is silly

Yeah go read those 203 pages of content.
It's almost as if they will hard-spew me as town!

[mastina]

Now that you mention it, mastina also takes it for granted the immunity is active here

Hmm. Fair. Mastina also never considers(in that post) that the other scum member could have protected whoever made the kill.

What.
I quite clearly said.
Literally.
"neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others."
Neither having it as a passive bulletproof, nor having a way to grant it to others i.e. as a doctor.

The fact of the matter is, we know scum have kill immunity; we

don't

know what form it takes--but it's PROVEN that whatever form the kill immunity takes, I

fundamentally could not have had it

.
That doesn't make me outright cleared, because it'd be possible for a scumastina scumbuddy to give scumastina kill immunity (e.g. doc protecting scumastina). But it explicitly limits the options available.

I am of the opinion the kill immunity is in fact a passive bp--which again, is why Almost50's slot is so suspect.

Not everyone in the game has characters who have flavor that would explain a lack of death; only certain ones do.

My stance has never changed.
Scum are 100% proven to have had a kill immunity.
Scum are, 99%, not likely to have known Dunnstral would've killed them.
This means that scum didn't activate a one-shot kill immunity; what they used was then restricted to two possibilities:
The killer has a passive kill immunity, bulletproof. (I say gated, but it need not be so, even though that's my theory.)
OR.
The killer was protected by their scumbuddy, who used a protective action on their scumbuddy. (For this to be the case, the protective ability in question is almost assuredly not one-shot...unless it's a rolestop, in which case, scum thought their scumbuddy making the nightkill might've been targeted by town with an action that they didn't want to succeed. Far more likely to not be 1x.)

Those are literally the only options.
And I am proven to have targeted Torque last night--meaning I couldn't have performed a protective action on any hypothetical scumbuddy.
Yes, a hypothetical scumbuddy could use a protective action on me, but vice-versa is not the case.

[mastina]

I am trying to read back here and not getting why mastina is the leading wagon here. This is very hard to parse.

Just for the record.

Remember ooba's entrance being a scum entrance?
I sure do.

Remember SuperfluousNinja's entrance being a scum entrance?

I sure do.

This is a scum entrance.

[mastina]

Is mastina going to post about the current conversation?

Yes at my own pace.

[mastina]

The problem here is she isn't even using her own manifested manual for reading me.

1: By his own confession, the manual's out-of-date.
2: Frankly, I don't remember all my tells to read every scummer--not even notable ones. Remember how on D1 I said that I once had a tell to read Joan? It's true, I did...but I can't remember what it is. And to be blunt, I've forgotten what the method I used to read Almost50 was.
3: My read on Almost50 has been shown to be inaccurate in some games recently--see also point #1.
4: Even so, I've done the best to remember my methods of reading them and

have

used some of the knowledge I've applied in the past.
5: This is thinly-veiled OMGUS.

She's literally inventing reasons to make it look like she scum reads me.

Okay so what about 4825 is "inventing reasons"?
Rather than actually (bleeped because bleep the mod) scumhunting?

lets actually remember who drixx scumread and wanted lynched, shall we?

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...
VOTE: Vedith

Who but me is seriously going to push Mastina? Once I flip then Vedith gets roped I think. QED I would prefer what I view as the more difficult and dangerous slot.

1: This ignores the nightkills since then.
Ankamius? Townread me.
Dunnstral? Townread me.

2: Drixx DID have a scumread on Almost50. Yes he scumread me because he thought I was white knighting/buddying him (really stupid (bleeped because bleep the mod) thing, by the way, because why the (bleeped because bleep the mod) would I waste my time buddying him ESPECIALLY if he were a planned nightkill, but I digress). But that doesn't change the FACT Drixx made this post:

A50 is either having a laugh as an informed/scum role or has somehow managed to be over the top nonchalant as town since the last time I played with him as town.

Let's look at the contribution:
i.e. three posts that actively stall and try to get people to lynch people not Vedith. And only AFTER Vedith scumclaims and dooms himself because the mod himself could confirm Vedith was lying there, mastina comes and posts this
and is now acting as if this^ somehow contributed to the Vedith lynch. Newsflash, Vedith made a claim that, once again, would be confirmed false BY THE MOD. Not to mention singleton and others having already picked up on this. Not to mention Drixx fucking counterclaimed doctor. All of these prior to this post.
And yet Mastina is acting as if she somehow gets credit for the Vedith lynch. What is this if not scum manipulation?

You're pretending that I didn't already answer this post.

I did.

Do you want me to quote that entire wall again?

Or maybe youd like to look at this post where mastina encourages my tunnel on FL
And maybe think to yourself, even if mastina thought FL is scum, why the hell would she encourage such a toxic comment from Wisdom?

And the fact that the (bleeped because bleep the mod) mod had to (bleeped because bleep the mod) WARN ME because they thought I was being too (bleeped because bleep the mod) toxic didn't tip you off to that not being a (bleeped because bleep the mod) scumtell?

Newsflash.

Town mastina is toxic.

Scumastina's the nice one.

Vote mastina win a prize, vote mastina win a prize.
For real, vote mastina. Or A50. But if you vote outside these two, the suffering will continue till the end. If mastina or A50 aren't lynched today, I'm going to replace out too, and this is not a warning or a threat to make you act in a way or another, it's just a fact that I can't keep handling Joan's harassment in our Channel.

This is not a reason for a scumread.
This is a reason to vote someone they don't like.

Torque I believe presented it as a PoE lynch to push for a solve.

A solve which when I pressed them on the details of how the (bleeped because bleep the mod) it'd work were sketchy at best mind you.

I really didn't like the Gamma hammer

A hammer I didn't know was a hammer and which I've got more people vouching for me is something I wouldn't lie about regardless of alignment than is possible for being scumbuddies. I can't be scum with EVERYONE who vouched for me when I said I wouldn't lie.

I didn't know it was a hammer.

Thinking I did won't magically make it true.
Because I've as definitively proven as is possible I didn't know--nor did I care, sure, yeah, but I didn't know.

[mastina]

needless to say that almost replacing out is yet another sign of him being town, especially at this point where mastina is finally close to a lynch
lets watch mastina bs over this

Sorry, scum replace out due to toxicity. Pretending they don't won't magically make it so.

(Bleeped because bleep the mod), the one and only time I replaced out? It was as scum--for exactly that reason. Toxicity. I didn't want to be banned and I knew that with how I was feeling that game, I WOULD be if I stayed in the game. (Mind you, the reasoning was different; I was being misgendered to a level bordering on harassment, but the base point remains.)

It means nothing.

Why would it?

People replacing out due to toxicity isn't town and on mafiascum never has been. Because mafiascum is just that (bleeped because bleep the mod) toxic.

[mastina]

The fact of the matter is, we know scum have kill immunity; we don't know what form it takes--but it's PROVEN that whatever form the kill immunity takes, I fundamentally could not have had it.

how is it proven you dont have, say, a passive 1shot bp?

Name a way Nozomi Tojo could have that ability.

In a game where abilities are tailored to flavor.

Give a flavor which would in any way, shape, or form give any SEMBLANCE of justification for a BP.

...No?

...Yeah thought not.

I can't have it because my character doesn't fit that flavor.

[mastina]

How is that a scum entrance?

Coming in and questioning why the lead wagon on town exists is a classic scum entrance, because it allows for them to deliberately create distance, more or less.

It's more complicated than that but I was supposed to be in bed literally ten minutes ago so can't really explain now, so.

[mastina]

Urgh, I know I need to post today, but...
...I am siiiiiiiick.

I'm REALLY not feeling up for it--especially not this game.
This game's enough to make me sick when I'm healthy from the sheer emotions (which, by the way, I do promise are not the norm--pre-SuperfluousNinja-modkill, I was pretty much all offense and quite willing to eat a mislynch, but post-SuperfluousNinja-modkill I absolutely refuse to be mislynched given the circumstances there, thus why there was the sudden shift from me), so I'm just...not up for it today.

I need to be at the top of my game in my best form to play in here and at least today, I'm not.
I need rest, rest I won't be getting tonight, but which with luck I can get tomorrow night.

So, expect tomorrow to be even-worsely-sick, but Saturday to hopefully be recovered or if not, on the road to it, with Sunday as with-luck the full recovery date.

[mastina]

(Doesn't help that physical sickness feeds mental sickness, which then feeds physical sickness. Bipolar disorder's low/depressed half + physical sickness = knockout for mental/emotional health.)

[mastina]

(Bah post.)

[mastina]

And the worse fucking part of this all.
Is that scum fucking know why I shouldn't be lynched this game ever.
They fucking know why I should by all rights be conftown.

But they are all too happy to take advantage of town fucking incompetence.

And literally.
Every fucking thing I've done.
Since SuperfluousNinja's modkill.
Can be traced back to this exact fucking fact.

Am I missing something here

Yes, you are.

Why would a modkill on scum make you 'fucking ticked off' as town?

Well for a start, a modkill rather than a lynch prevented me from giving further interactions that would've proven I'm not scum with SuperfluousNinja, but more to the point, it wasn't JUST the modkill.

It was the modkill, in tandem with being pushed as scum

after

the modkill when the modkill should've made it abundantly clear I was town.

That slot was MOD KILLED. mastina had nothing to do with the flip yet she is trying to steal credit for it too.

Because it is pretty fucking self-evident that SuperfluousNinja tilted because of me?

Fuck yes, I have something to do with that.

4:

Most importantly of all, I know for a

FACT

that SuperfluousNinja tilted because of me.

Now, mind you. I will admit. Proof of him tilting because of me does not prove I'm town, because I can't prove he wasn't a scumbuddy being tilted because of me. But the fact that he was tilted because of me should be strong evidence I am town, and I can show it quite easily. I WILL fucking prove the tilt was because of me, guaranteed. This, mind you--the reason I say this is the most important of all--is the whole fucking reason I'm doing all of this. The whole reason I am doing this, because there should be absolutely NO fucking realm where I am EVER in ANY fucking risk of ever being mislynched, thanks to what happened.
I wouldn't be bothering to prove I'm town if it weren't for this. Because this, and this alone, should be fucking reason enough to know that mislynching me is literally doing the scum's work for them because they know that the tilt was because of me just as well as I do.

Hey so like.

You remember all of these?

And where I gave you the promise that I would NEVER normally be playing this way in the game, that I had a damn fucking good reason for it?

Yeah well.

Since the game is now over.

I can share that reason:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: What the FUCK!
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:50 pm
From: SuperfluousNinja
To: mastina

What is with the pointless gloating over the WIFOM thing? Why did you feel the need to do this?

I am barely holding it together in my life and I just get treated like a piece of shit by you for no reason. This had NOTHING to do with the game. NOTHING.

I’ve already quit in case you’re going to tell me this is a rules violation. I intend to settle this with you and then never return.

What makes you think it’s okay to treat people like this?

THIS is what I knew.
When I said I knew for a fucking fact that SuperfluousNinja was tilted because of me.

I knew for a

fucking

fact

he was tilted because of me

.

And I couldn't discuss this without myself being modkilled--this doesn't entirely justify my behavior, sure, but it sure as fuck gives you some context, now, doesn't it?

I knew he was modkilled because of me.
I knew he was tilted because of me.
I knew he broke the game rules to contact me, because he was just that frustrated by his push on me.
And I knew the scum knew this, because the scum knew that he wasn't modkilled for contacting a scumbuddy. With them knowing it wasn't from a scumbuddy, they knew the only other person he'd have contacted was me.
So I KNEW that they were aware of this--and I was thus, immediately suspicious of the people who

pushed me as scum after the flip that should've cleared me

.

And I was ticked off, too, because if SuperfluousNinja hadn't broke the rules and gotten modkilled, he'd have been lynched that day normally...a lynch that would've given me further time to prove he was scum and that I wasn't scum bussing him.

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Youtube HQ (Scum PT)

Also, I've figured out mastina's flavor.

Kinda impressed by this.
I described my anime in a way I thought nobody would be able to guess even though I never lied, telling technical truths. (There are in fact battles and tournaments in love live!)

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Channel 5

mastina claims to be a great scum hunter, so she should agree BoP applies to her.

What.
This is.
Literally the opposite of what I say.

Never.
Do I ever.
Say anything other than.
"I am a mediocre scumhunter at best".
Or.
"Occasionally-good-but-otherwise-below-rand-with-no-ability-to-tell-the-difference-between-the-two". Which is a more longwinded way of saying the same thing, where I am

occasionally

good, where I OCCASIONALLY am in my element and NAIL things, but outside of those times, because I can't tell I'm outside of those times, I'm way below random.

Never have I ever said anything but this.

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Campsite Channel

Lol a good player can have bad games too, Joan, of course they can. mastina fucked up town badly on Red Flag, for example. She was the town leader there and even with the scumteam playing pretty good, mastina was responsible of making that game impossible for town to win.

Uh, I wasn't the town leader at all that game?

I also scumread most of the scumteam, too, but that was the game that caused me to stop trying to read Gamma because I meant what I said; if she was town I was never seeing it and I would forever revoke my right to read her--which I told you this game. I said I couldn't read her, that I had no right to, specifically because I committed to voting her that game.

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Torque & Pink Ball Neighborhood

she played with what I was feeling at that moment.

It's honestly one of the only things I'm good at doing.
Pushing people with what they feel at that moment.
I am usually fairly good at getting actionable information out of those pushes--I fully admit that D3 onwards, my ability to do so was compromised, but as I've explained before, that was due to myself being compromised. I knew SuperfluousNinja was tilted because of MY push on him, and that colored my perspective. It biased my viewpoint in multiple ways; it made me think the scumteam was going to continue to react negatively to my pushes, it made me incredibly survivalistic, and it made me in general read things with a level of discare towards hostility, both in terms of reading others and in terms of keeping it in check.

When I promised that my play this game would normally NEVER be this way, I meant it. The SuperfluousNinja modkill was, in a way, tilting to me, in spite of him being the one that was tilted. I DO think that if you check my play, there is a quite self-obvious, self-evident stark contrast between pre-SuperfluousNinja-modkill-mastina, and post-SuperfluousNinja-modkill-mastina, and I promise you it is exactly because of what happened to me, which I couldn't share. I was frustrated that I fucking knew what happened, and knew the scum knew what happened by proxy, yet couldn't tell the town what happened without being modkilled.

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Torque & Pink Ball Neighborhood

I would love to know how mastina would read herself if she didn't know her alignment in this game. I think she would scumread herself.

Nope!
I have the How to Read mastina: the Flowchart, and I know how to use it.
I checked literally almost every single town box there while only checking one or two of the scum boxes--which I deliberately checked, thanks to the SuperfluousNinja modkill. (I switched gears to focus on defense, a signature move of scumastina. But that was literally the only thing I did, and I did it quite deliberately because I wasn't getting fucking lynched after that so I was pulling a no holds barred outright brawl to stop it--including channeling my scumgame.)

If you followed the flowchart this game, you would've been able to painfully, PAINFULLY be aware of how much it was my towngame.

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Amzela & Torque Neighborhood

But yeah. It’s juet a private hood. To talk. Because I really want to like Mastina but I have trouble reading her stuff as non-emotional or not-defensive.

The reason for this is that I was very emotional and very defensive--for damn fucking good reason.

If what had happened to me, had happened to you--that is, you knew scum that you'd pushed messaged you and got modkilled for it--and then after that,

you were pushed as said scum's scumbuddy

, how would YOU react?

I'd bet you'd be pretty fucking emotional and defensive!

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Setup Creation / Backup / Review

Mastina is just being super tilted for eating bad pressure when she (correctly imo) thinks she’s obvtown (even WITHOUT the ninja stuff).

Pretty much, yeah!
I didn't need the SuperfluousNinja modkill to be obvtown, but knowing I had that

on top

of what was already there? Adding fuel to the fire.

[mastina]

nah i had shit reads all game

I won't pretend I did any better!

[mastina]

That image would never apply though because I've never once stated I was a scumhunting god. If you thought otherwise, you were misinformed.

[mastina]

Can we discuss the fact that Dunn was objectively town MVP this game
And pretty close to town mvp in gifs game
What is going on

Dunnstral is a ridiculously underrated player. I've always thought him to be fairly competent, he's just someone who is incredibly low-key, so

even knowing that he is fairly competent

, even KNOWING that, I tend to in spite of knowing he's competent, tend to still be suspicious of him when I know I shouldn't, and not sheep him when I know I should.

Kinda like Creature in that way.

[mastina]

Mastina how accurate is that thing in reading you

About 80%, thereabouts, give or take 10%.

It is

incredibly

draining for scumastina to mimic town-mastina to the degrees necessary to hit the right notes--and even then, usually detrimental to do so because town-mastina is frankly a shittier player than scumastina, making it usually more trouble than it's worth to break significantly from the flowchart. The flowchart is an established set of habits and trends which are there because they are what I naturally default to, but it's not foolproof because obviously knowing about it, to some extent I can choose to subvert it.

I just usually don't.

You also have to keep in mind the flowchart's a guideline and that it is literally impossible to hit 100% all of the town notes and miss all the scum notes because some items are mutually exclusive. But this game's as close as you can get; if people had asked me for my mastina-is-town case, one of the items would've been me going through the flowchart line-by-line and demonstrating why almost every single line indicated I was town with the one or two exceptions (notably, my self-defense) being for the reasons I explained; I had a damn fucking strong motivation to

live

, or more accurately, not be lynched.

If so it's kind of a trust tell.

It's not a trust tell because it is not something deliberately enforced.
It is a meta tell.
It is self-meta, yes, because I wrote the flowchart.
But it is not something I try to uphold. I don't

intentionally

uphold it. It's just that when I wrote it, I wrote

that damn accurate

an analysis of my game--an analysis so accurate, I

can't break it

. I can subvert it, I can manipulate it, but the flowchart to this day remains accurate, not because I chose to keep it that way, but because

I literally can't change my nature to make it NOT be that way

.

You know those psychological profiles I tend to write about others?
And how often I tend to be usually in the right ballpark and fairly accurate overall?
The flowchart was me psychologically profiling

myself

, and as a result, it is the most accurate of accurate psychological profiles. Since while I may not have a perfect understanding of myself, I sure have a better understanding of myself than any other individual; I know nobody as well as I know myself, so it figures my self-profile is more accurate than my profile of anyone else.

Believe me, I'd break free of it if I could. It's just that I

can't

, because the flowchart nailed my inner nature. It literally tells you who I am as a person. (Which is to say that I am a shitlord as town. )

[mastina]

You keep saying that the scumteam knew that SN pmed you and they didn't know, they didn't have that info.

They knew, through the announcement, that SuperfluousNinja had contacted

someone

and ate a modkill as a result.

They knew, through it not being themselves, it was not contacting scum.

They therefore knew it would be through contacting a member of the town.

And thus they would be able to, reasonably, deduce that it was me who was contacted.

Or so that was my impression at the time.
You follow the logic, yes? And why I had that impression that scum

knew

it was me contacted?

[mastina]

It literally tells you who I am as a person. (Which is to say that I am a shitlord as town. )

(Seriously, I encourage a read of it--it paints a

very

unflattering picture as to the nature of my towngame. Like, it literally tells you at every turn, "is this negative trait present? It indicates town. Is this negative trait present? It indicates town". Because...well...I am just a shitty person. I try to not be, but literally what you see in my towngames

is

the "trying not to be"; just imagine me but ten times worse and you'd get what I'd be if I didn't try. I'm just that shitty a person.)

[mastina]

I follow the logic, but there's no certainty about that, that's all.

There's no certainty to a person like you.
Did you really learn nothing about me as to guess why it'd feel certain to

me

?

[mastina]

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size - Control Room (Mod/SPOILERS Thread)

did u ever guess as to what all your cards did? I don't mind spoiling fwiw but it's more fun to guess first

Only that strength = strongman/strong-willed and some form of perma-roleblock, with a sense that Fortune was some form of protective and might've inversely created some form of Weak modifier.

So, was in the right ballpark, but not really, no; I never guessed.

[mastina]

calling herself 'mastermind'

I absolutely am a scum mastermind, but I'm anything but as town.