Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Slaxx]

Sup guys

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RCE minor town for 28

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Umlaut minor town for 45

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Baezu minor town for 62

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126 Hitalt/146 Baezu are both gross

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156/157 beazu gross

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Oh... I’m here already

Beazu’s Goan post seemed kinda town

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Giant. Six beers or something similar.

VOTE: Beazu

Mainly for the subtle insinuations of Asuka scum in 231 paired with no follow up or engagement to sort.

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Yea that “ausuka is playing scum well” shit is ugly. It sets a bar for other people where if ausuka plays Townie she’s mafia and can’t win either way. I don’t know how logically you can purport to know who is playing scum well but not be able to name those who aren’t. Beazu flips scum at least twice as often as rand.

[Slaxx]

231 is so damn ugly because it also downplays the content generated so far. It’s just so not town in every way.

[Slaxx]

Umlaut/RCE/Vork for town.

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Also Ausuka town contingent on Baezu scum.

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Yea that “ausuka is playing scum well” shit is ugly. It sets a bar for other people where if ausuka plays Townie she’s mafia and can’t win either way.

Is this an angle scum frequently take?

From my experience this sounds like something townies get accused of more often than something scum do intentionally.

I don’t have data in front of me so I couldn’t say.

But I personally find it gross. Anytime you set expectations for a player to play less towny it raises flags.

Also once again, I don’t like that he somehow has figured out the scum that is playing well but hasn’t pegged the ones who aren’t. Seems like at some point during that thought process you might have a little ping inside your head that your thought process is inconsistent.

[Slaxx]

Oh here we go again. Get it out of your system now. I’m not getting lynched this game bud.

[Slaxx]

It surprised me you didn’t have a vote down before my entrance but that’s not scum indicative for you.

You’re not getting evil vibes fro Baezu?

[Slaxx]

231 is so damn ugly because it also downplays the content generated so far. It’s just so not town in every way.

Bwahaha

You’re the only person with whom I’ve ever played that has ever insinuated that being on the fence on day 1 page 10 is anti town

Also, care to explain how in your entire read through you kept saying baezu town baezu town and then you vote for me?! Wut?

I understand the hyperactivity because I caught you and I’m really sorry I had to come in and ruin your fun.

But I think said you had a minor town indicative post and then one other Townie catchup. I also said like two-three of your posts were gross and explained, quite clearly, why.

[Slaxx]

Yea that “ausuka is playing scum well” shit is ugly. It sets a bar for other people where if ausuka plays Townie she’s mafia and can’t win either way. I don’t know how logically you can purport to know who is playing scum well but not be able to name those who aren’t. Beazu flips scum at least twice as often as rand.

Oh yes, here it is. My thought process laid out plain as day, in the post after I voted you.

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156/157 beazu gross

Baezu minor town for 62

231 is so damn ugly because it also downplays the content generated so far. It’s just so not town in every way.

Damn Bae look at all those posts I said you were scum in!

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156/157 beazu gross

Baezu minor town for 62

231 is so damn ugly because it also downplays the content generated so far. It’s just so not town in every way.

Damn Bae look at all those posts I said you were scum in!

126 Hitalt/146 Baezu are both gross

Wow mobile quoting sucks replace 236 with 237.

[Slaxx]

Yeah Aus’ two-scum spec is probtown.

Not surprised Bae is throwing shade at it.

[Slaxx]

But what's the best alternative as of now?
I don't feel like going elbow-deep into Slaxx quite yet.

Phrasing

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Ummmm as of right now Im not comfortable lynching bae

Uh. Why. Your spoilered post would indicate you are.

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VOTE: Fusosco

You don’t want to vote Bae because you have other pushes, but your catchup was a noncommittal reads list and the interactions felt forced.

Note to future readers: If Bae is town and Fuso is scum, then there was already one scum, maybe two, on Bae’s wagon.

[Slaxx]

*shrugs*

aight, I mean I already sorted you so anything you say can now be irrelevant.

Well the important thing is you’ve found an excuse to not engage.

[Slaxx]

I TR him. Do you have . . . any points to bring up, or just some mouth?

Yeah the fact you waived off his lynch by saying you had other pushes to make, while still voting someone halfway up your list, is suspect.

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Slaxx - what happened to your sr on Baezu? It was, like, really extreme. She's still the top wagon and if you were scumreading her I presume you'd still be voting her, so what changed?

Nothing happened to that read.

I think it’s pretty evident what changed though? Obviously I wanted pressure on someone else. It’s interesting no one bit and sheeped, but no one criticized my logic either.

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VOTE: Baezu

I’m fine with this. If a counterwagon had popped up on Fu after I tried to lead one I would have felt more confident in this being scum but I think it still has high equity.

There’s a world where they’re both scum, but that doesn’t seem to be the streak I’m on lately so lol

[Slaxx]

I don’t think you know what bussing means.

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<RCE, Auk, Alch, Vork> new townblock. Alch is gut.

Less impressed with empty and prodgy umlaut content.

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SS and FL are both more withdrawn than I’d expect them to be but FL mentioned a play style switchup and I’m basing SS on personality outside mafia and one marathon game so those aren’t particularly useful yet. Fu had a Townie reaction to my pressure.

Maybe something like

(RCE, Auk)
(Alch, Vork, Fu)
(SS, FL, umlaut, cby)
(hitalt)
(Baezu)

Uh... who am I forgetting I just looked over the list twice

[Slaxx]

Wait this is 12 players and not 13?

So we have on less mislynch. That’s... interesting.

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I like Auks two scum spec a lot less now that it’s actually more possible there’s only two scum.

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It’s possible and probably probable (lol?) that there’s 3.

But 13->12 means one less mislynch on average, so 2 could be a thing if town isnt stacked.

The whole reason I liked Ausuka’s two scum analysis is because it seemed like it was a lack of information on how many scum there are.

But 12 makes 2 more possible so it could be tmi.

I’m moving Ausuka down to lean town I think, the rest of their play has still been Townie. That’s just giving me reservations.

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I guess I misunderstood her whole post the first time I read it.

When she said 11/12 I thought she meant 11/12 not 11 or 12. Yikes. That’s bad on my part.

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I like Auks two scum spec a lot less now that it’s actually more possible there’s only two scum.

Well no, because had there been 13 players it would have been obviously bullshit but now it's actually a reasonable thing to think about.

I don’t want to get too caught up on it because I think she’s town still.

But the point is the confidence and tone in which she said it, with my perception of it still being likely three, made her super Townie because she lacked info. You gotta think fmpov reading it and just figuring it’s three/thirteen, I’m kinda laughing like why would there be two, she must be town.

[Slaxx]

That’s what I get for reading at breaks during work ig

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That’s not the exact point I’m trying to get across but I have no clue how to articulate it.

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If people want to use it to read me and my thought processes that’s fine but once again I still think she’s town, just less confident.

[Slaxx]

Lol. Never felt like taking it off.

Why?

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Ok so let’s say I’m scum- who is the other scum?

Lol...

[Slaxx]

Lol. Never felt like taking it off.

Why?

...Because I don't scumread anyone heavily enough to vote yet?

I am in agreement with the desire for a counterwagon to Baezu. But... I don't really have any ideas.

Voting literally anyone but yourself is going to help you piece that together if you’re town.

[Slaxx]

Less impressed with empty and prodgy umlaut content.

Kind of busy today and likely tomorrow, consider this a pre-emptive prodge.

I mean the guy said 'IRL stuff- sorry'

Fair.

The noncommittal tone could have just been from irl interference. I’ve been there.

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@Mod I’m still angry I was talked out of voting you in Vengecop

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I’m totally serious- who would my “partner” be?

People who ignored you or soft defended you are always the most likely.

Maybe FL? I can’t remember him talking about you much. On mobile but I’ll check.

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Yeah FL is good. Said you were scummy, never voted you, had been doing an awkward dance around pushing me. That’s fine.

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Maybe hitalt?

Hes been kind of fielding the idea that this isn’t a good wagon without hopping off. Looks more intentional than it should.

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Ok so let’s say I’m scum- who is the other scum?

Lol...

I’d like to know why you found this funny please

With the phrasing (“is”) it looked like a hard assumption of one more scum and not two, which isn’t something I’d be expecting town to be assuming. I’m still just playing like there’s three but maybe that’s the wrong approach.

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SS I don’t think works as your partner because he should be driving the Hitalt counterwagon here.

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And all three of y’all doesn’t work well.

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Nothing really to rule out Umlaut.

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I did meta on RCE last game and this is much more town-him.

I could probably bite into pressuring FL more. That’s not a terrible wagon.

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Is it bad that I can see an RCE/FL scum pair? (+1 if setup?)

It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

Would you vote FL?

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I did meta on RCE last game and this is much more town-him.

I could probably bite into pressuring FL more. That’s not a terrible wagon.

The one you guys flash lynched me as doc? Good times.

Hey. That wasn’t me. The loss rests squarely on my shoulders but THAT wasn’t me.

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I don’t like FL’s reaction to perceived pressure, it’s got appeals to town PRs and subtle credibility digs in it.

That being said he’s claimed “weak investigative” as VT so, whatever.

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Because he knows better.

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So then why aren’t you trying to figure out slaxx’s reasoning?

Like you even had a vote on Slaxx then dropped it because???

Slaxx is very much feeling the pressure.

No

[Slaxx]

1. You’ve given no reasoning for your scumread so we can’t even discuss what the issue is
2. I think most people see I’m playing to my confrontational town meta
3. In our recently completed game you flipped your reads so much as town it made my head spin so if it comes down to you and I in lylo and you’re town I think we will work through it like we did last time

If you want to solve my slot you need to start digging at me. It will help me solve yours as well. This blanket opaque confidence isn’t helping anyone. So let’s dance brother.

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You can’t solve FL by using logical thought as a proxy, fyi. I don’t have the correct method but I promise that’s not it.

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Your logic is on a whole other plane than mine.

I like and appreciate that about you fwiw.

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Plain? Plane?

I grew up in rural southern Indiana I don’t english well.

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Actually I think plane is right because it's a geometry reference

I wanted to be in an aero plane or a geographical plain, though

A plain geographical plane is probably a plain if it’s 2D.

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Stalling for what? I literally answered your questions literally.

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I feel like scum is making contentless posts in order to get us closer to the deadline so that town will then have to react quickly and without thinking

Lmfao

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That’s the second of Beazu’s post where he says “I think scum are doing x” that is a clear reference to people in the thread.

It’s a bad post because it doesn’t do anything to solve for the slots nor does it confront them directly.

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Also the rationale that

1. Scum would blatantly post off content stuff and
2. Posting off content stuff somehow is mutually exclusive with others being productive

Is lame.

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How about the fact that we haven’t heard a peep from cbynumbers replacement

Not just any replacement, but Volxen.

I’ve only had experience with them in the Michael Scott hydra that I recall though.

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I’m still wary of SS’s detached style. Speaking more in generalities that are tangentially related to the game. Idk.

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yet no one is coming up with an equally good counter wagon that I can get behind.

Why haven't you begun one then? If you don't have reads, couldn't you try to ISO-dive people and see if you can get reads out of that? At least can you tell me why 420 is wrong? Same sentiment to SS.

Weirdness, things that make no sense, and excessive confidence are towntells. Trying to blend in can be characteristic of a new-ish (or in this case coming back after a long hiatus) player. The stuff that you said was posturing could just be impulsiveness.

Ausuka's style of posting should be the focal point of a read on them, not some setup spec. Is the fact that they are speccing town? Im asking whoever.

The fact of doing setup spec is maybe slightly towny, but player dependent. The way someone does setup spec can be towny, however.

I'd say multiple times.

I'm pisspoor at alt guessing but now my curiosity is piqued

Though I don't think it would necessarily help me read you as I think I read you pretty well in that game.

Depends. Most towntells involve thoughts rather than mere words, and everyone has a different level of skill at emulating those thoughts as scum.

It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

I'm trying to spot scum theater as it's what I fell victim to in my recent games.

Well spot it after you have that sweet sweet redflip. Preflip associatives are a great way to convince yourself that someone is scum without a good reason.

Like- I would be looking for COMPLETELY different things depending on whether there are 2 or 3 scum.

I would not, and I think you doing so is based on a mistaken belief that you can predict how scum will act in a given situation.

The only reasons knowing the the ratio is relevant are (1) evaluating potential townslips and (2) judging the balance after massclaim.

I tend to read this type of stuff as wanting to appear helpful while not actually driving forward progress. But I’ve also met day 1 players who just don’t get... elbow deep... into the game until a couple flips.

I doubt I go anywhere tonight but if I do SS needs to be kept on the radar.

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What bothers me about them most I think is that they are reinforcing or arguing other people’s reads without ever using in-game content, or taking a clear stance on the players in question.

Now these were definitely picked out of a much larger ISO, but I would implore everyone to take five minutes and brush through the ISO and see the “noise to signal” ratio there.

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I doubt I go anywhere tonight but if I do SS needs to be kept on the radar.

What's this supposed to mean

It means people need to keep in mind not to let you do what you’ve done today throughout the game.

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I can claim if we want an activity boost.

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Hey Vedith I’ve been softing mason so you should probably crumb too

Whoops wrong topic

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I haven't read them and I probably won't. 26 pages is a lot :<
What was said?

Umlaut only wrote like 2 pages- are you serious?!

Ausuka, how is this not triggering your scumdar?

I’ve got news for you bud, this doesn’t work. Vedith just subbed in as town and didn’t read the thread last game we were in. FL was there, he knows.

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I’ve got news for you bud, this doesn’t work. Vedith just subbed in as town and didn’t read the thread last game we were in. FL was there, he knows.

I mean, I read from when I subbed in.

Many ahhhhhs, son.

Very eclectic dialogue, it’s totally hip.

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Ausuka is so town.

I’ll look into Baezu meta later. Any recent town games?

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Do I need to lynch Ausuka?

Ew no

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VOTE: Flavorleaf

Vedith and Hitalt should join me.

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Volxen you got a reads list?

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Fucking shit I’ve been misgendering Bae

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@Vork

Wouldn’t worry about Alch, they’re town.

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I don’t think FL is town because while his past town games have this air of optimism and solviness this one feels way more agenda driven. We literally just got done with a game where he said he flips reads a lot, and he’s been on my slot since like page 5. I really think that he was planning on ML with this slot until I replaced in, and FL knows I’m a rough mislynch. What I’m trying to figure out is WHY he wouldn’t just change his read on me, especially knowing that he just told me he flips as town. Would have been an easy escape out of the situation. I’ve thought of

1. I tend to be a cohesive town player according to several players I’ve played with, albeit not with amazing reads lately, so keeping shade coming my way could prevent the town from operating as a unit.
2. Maybe sticking to a strong scumread on my slot gives him cover if he needs to drive a counterwagon, in which case, Bae is town as he didn’t pull that card.

But yeah, the rigid ness and unexplained nature of his read on me isn’t town him. He usually gives weird, but coherent, reasons. I also don’t like how he’s kicked the can on solving what, 3 slots until later now?

[Slaxx]

Fucking shit I’ve been misgendering Bae

Guess you missed this post?
602

Somehow, I did.

[Slaxx]

Even though I did it again right now. Yikes.

I think it’s the boy avatar, I sometimes do that with guys with women avatars.

Could also be the latent sexism I’m always trying to shed from my upbringing. Either way be patient with me

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GAME RELATED

I think FL is scum

That’s what this is about.

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GAME RELATED

I think FL is scum

That’s what this is about.

How confident are you in this read?

I’m confident he’s not playing to his own purported town meta. I’m confident his read on me is not like what I’ve seen in the past. I’m confident him saying he was sure I was scum but not wanting to push me is a little hard to digest, even coming from him.

How confident am I those make him scum? I think if there’s 2/11 players, and he everyone has around a 20% shot, he might be 30%.

Not super confident, yet. A wagon would help that, and is undoable, if you’re debating getting on it.

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FL, the issue is that if you’re so confident I’m scum you should be lynching me but you’re not, and I don’t buy it.

Also, if there are 3 scum, day 3 is mylo with 2 MLS and 2 kills, so if this is one of your gambits its a stupid one.

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Also, do you really think Alch and I, as scum, just both vote you there? I don’t buy any of your logic and it’s a different kind of logic than the last game we played together because it’s not as Socratic. It’s highly agenda driven.

[Slaxx]

Also I swear to fucking god if you’re VT and fakeclaiming, after what happened with Jib last game, I’m going to think a hell of a lot less of you.

[Slaxx]

Dude

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@Slaxx - I consider myself a reaction test player. My town games speak for themselves. My crazier town games are generally my better town games.

I think we’re both town atm, so let’s find scum.

I’ll bite. What are your thoughts on the volx slot?

I don’t like how the wall basically amounted to Ausuka was town, something most of us have already decided. It was underwhelming.

[Slaxx]

Who are you and what have you done with Boon?

Also now that I'm reading over this again with a fresh set of eyes

Also, do you really think Alch and I, as scum, just both vote you there?

I don't like this. I really really don't like this.

Slaxx in scum PT= "Hey, let's vote FL"
Slaxx in Game Thread= "Do you REALLY THINK we'd do that??"

This reeks of something.

Don’t know how to respond except I’m insulted you’d think I’d encourage my partner to blatantly chainsaw for me. I’ve won every scum game of mine since I’ve been back, I’m not sloppy.

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@Slaxx - look at how I played that last game with us.

I also didn’t have any confident reads early, and I stated Sad Sheep was pretty lock scum Day 1, then listed the 4 names, Mohab, Dr Worm, Sad Sheep, Slaxx. I went over them all, and decided Dr Worm was the best lynch because the other 3 were better to keep around longer rather than because I thought Worm was scum. Then he flipped scum.

I’m unsure why you think this is me playing differently.

I actively play differently in every game I play, however, so I guess that fits. I just have my same personality so some games come off similarly, and I can admit that.

My main issue was the lack of flexibility in your reads. Last game you have my brain whiplash (same with the other game we were in, sheep’s I think) but this one you seemed very stagnant.

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Lol

I’m not taking issue with you explaining your read, I’m taking issue with the fact that’s the only read you explained. Felt like you’d have more upon entrance.

What bothered you about Siv’s slot? I can’t answer for him but as you said, no harm in exposing reads.

[Slaxx]

Cbynumber did feel pretty genuine though. And I don't think doing nothing is really scum indicative...?

That’s definitely the position I’d take if I were you:

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I actually kind of like SSs reaction to that.

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I'm starting to like slaxx less.

You’re a fickle fickle guy.

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What’s the fifth vote stuff about Volxen?

You seem to be dancing around calling me scum. If that’s your read, own it.

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I think sudden FL 180s are either NAI or town/him.

I know hitalt will have a heyday with that but whatever.

And not alchemist. Maybe Hitalt, less likely Vork... but there’s a world where that wagon is town.

Most of the time when I see people saying there has to be one scum on the wagon it’s scum directing the lynch. To be clear, I’m not applying that to this situation, but it’s either misguided or malicious.

Mastina notably did it in schadd mini normal and If I recall correctly Pers did it off-wagon in a game where him and his buddy double bussed.

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Also that wagon was fairly hard to get up to five, which makes me really question whether it was scum motivated at all.

[Slaxx]

(Aus, Vedith, Alch, RCE)
(Vork, FL)
(Fus, HitAlt, Baezu)
(S_S)
(Volxen)

VOTE: Volxen

I don’t like that all Volxen has done so far is pry a bit at me and call Ausuka town. I slept on it and I don’t like the wagon directing either. I also don’t like how’s he is subtly reframing things people are saying. Like, when I said I was concerned that his only content was Ausuka related he switched that to me discouraging him from sharing reads. There’s a piece of me that thinks maybe I could have been more explicit about it but I feel like what I said was fairly self-explanatory.

S_S is probably a pretty malleable read, I go back and forth.

Both these players I feel like I have to pull teeth to get content from and I’d be surprised if they were both town. I know people are less confident on Alch than I am but trust me there.

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There’s a very specific reason I think Alch is town that I don’t want to reveal yet, but I’m very confident.

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My Vedith read has been on point I think three or four games now, one in the face of RC being wrong on him and two others when he was Tunnelling me (one he was town and one he was scum) so I’m like... pretty dang confident in that one too.

If Ausuka is scum, lol.

And RCE is a bit of a gut read but I think there’s plenty from that slot that heavily indicates town.

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Also I don’t get the narrative that formed around why cby was town and it kind of fell off my radar.

I think that’s a hard sell when you look at the ISO.

[Slaxx]

And, not to tunnel, and I know my reads have been bad lately but...

SS <-> cby

Interactions work together as a pair really damn well both ways. Cby asked about someone else’s read on SS twice and SS seemed happy to write him off as town pretty quickly.

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There’s a lot of soft defense of that slot in SS iso as well.

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In which case, if Volxen is scum, HitAlt is very town and should not be lynched ever.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, this is the first time I’ve been cool with a solve today without having to bluster.

I think Volxen is the lynch today and SS is the investigation if he’s scum. If he’s town y’all can investigate me.

[Slaxx]

I was waiting to get some flak for pre flip associative analysis but I think it helps you read the game state in a macro way.

Like, if I have six town reads like I do today, but I can’t find any convincing pair among the remaining five, then that’s an issue with my PoE and so I need to re analyze.

[Slaxx]

What’s different about HitAlt here SS?

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Rent was the one about the chemistry teacher with lung cancer right

[Slaxx]

Fu your vote would looks mighty attractive on Volxen.

[Slaxx]

(Aus, Vedith, Alch, RCE)
(Vork, FL)
(Fus, HitAlt, Baezu)
(S_S)
(Volxen)

VOTE: Volxen

I don’t like that all Volxen has done so far is pry a bit at me and call Ausuka town. I slept on it and I don’t like the wagon directing either. I also don’t like how’s he is subtly reframing things people are saying. Like, when I said I was concerned that his only content was Ausuka related he switched that to me discouraging him from sharing reads. There’s a piece of me that thinks maybe I could have been more explicit about it but I feel like what I said was fairly self-explanatory.

S_S is probably a pretty malleable read, I go back and forth.

Both these players I feel like I have to pull teeth to get content from and I’d be surprised if they were both town. I know people are less confident on Alch than I am but trust me there.

[Slaxx]

Also I try not to do activity tells especially between hydras and single players but he’s much more engaged as town on his Michael Scott hydra, and when we hydraed together as scum on The Great Wall he kinda set back and let Auro and I run the show. I don’t know if that’s really factoring into my decision, there’s plenty of in game reasons, but that’s a little cherry on top I guess.

[Slaxx]

You’re vote is pointless is you express intent to move it upon such a low barrier

You might as well threaten to piss outside tonight

He’s not going to caste either way

[Slaxx]

Your

That’s a typo I’m not that far gone

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I’m not sure.

I actually think Volxen has given a decent amount with his walls. It’s kind of a what he presented, how he presented, Kinda thing. Came off very projects to me, like he was trying to appease.

No that’s false.

He gave a noncontroversial townread then hedged his bets between us and danced around scumreading me. His play has been very underwhelming especially for a content rich game like this.

[Slaxx]

I’m right on this one Vedith

I can feel it

In the air tonight

Come on

[Slaxx]

Oh

Maybe I’m stupid but that sarcasm wasn’t evident

[Slaxx]

\o/

[Slaxx]

I said nothing about VCa. You keep doing this, you keep reframing the conversation to things that I’m not saying. You’re scare crowing.

If you’re a heavy analytical town player why have you given absolutely no unique insight into the state of the game? Nothing you’ve said makes me think you’re trying to solve. What are your other scum reads? Who can’t you figure out and why?

This is not town you.

[Slaxx]

And that whole thing about me determining your alignment is bullshit. I really tried to give you a chance to catch-up because I wanted to play for a while with you. And you completely biffed it.

[Slaxx]

Volxen you got a reads list?

This is me trying to give you an out. And pretty much every post about you since then before my vote on you. I waited what, 4 days for you to post something impactful? And nothing. Just heading and easily manufactured safe townreads.

[Slaxx]

I’m sorry if I’m wrong here but I really don’t think I am. You’re also skipping over posts where I try to sort your alignment and instead responding to Vork, right after saying you don’t believe I’m trying to sort your alignment. Idk what to tell you man.

[Slaxx]

I’m sorry, I realize I did say I didn’t like the way you did the VCA. But it had nothing to do with the fact you did it and everything to do with you arbitrarily assigning at least one scum to those five reads.

[Slaxx]

And I don’t think you’re playing the way you did in kids with guns.

I feel like you’re displaying a reluctant playstyle, and how am I not supposed to attribute that to letting us take over the hydra in lynchpin?

Like I see this guy who’s active in Lovers and Kids With Guns, who when I hydra with him basically takes a back seat as scum, and then all my interactions with him are like pulling teeth for reads? I mean how’s it an irrational leap to think you’re scum here? It absolutely isn’t.

[Slaxx]

You’re literally pretending like three days isn’t enough time to give a reads list after you’ve had four? And responding to joke posts but ignoring mine? Okay. Everything you post is set up to deflect and give as little game related content as possible, to the extent you’re literally, blatantly making up reasons why you can’t give reads and solve more. You didn’t even refute why I thought you were scum, and it’s further proving my point. You just listed a few games, which if anyone else read, literally fucking prove the point I’m trying to bring home, which is that this isn’t town you. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen someone obfuscate this much just to avoid game-progressing interactions. Like Christ man.

[Slaxx]

The fact you’re banking everything you have on me being scum while not considering the consequences of being wrong also doesn’t line up with your town meta. You say you’re analytical, again, but aren’t even planning on contingency. If you are town, this is a really really shitty play because we’ve lost two days.

I gave you an out. I gave you so many options to play the game in a broader sense and interact more. You’re not even directly interacting with me or trying to solve for my slot anymore, whereas I am. I can’t write this off as you playing poorly, I believe you are playing in bad faith.

[Slaxx]

Idk slaxx. He seems like he’s accepted his lynch and it comes off as Towny to me. Unless you think this is a ploy hoping that something happens in the next 3 days to shift attention away from him I don’t think he’s flipping red and everyone seems to be in agreement about not risking a PR claim by wagoning someone else. 3 more days couldn’t hurt if he’s getting flipped anyway.

That’s literally what’s happening here though.

Ask yourself: as town, would you be this confident in the game state after like 9 posts of interaction? Literally to the point where you were okay with not even solving for other slots? Especially if you sell yourself as an analyst? Keep in mind Volxen didn’t even have a stance on me until what, yesterday?

He’s barely interacted with anyone else and is confident I’m scum. How many people have I pressed today, four? FL, Fusc, Bae, now him? And I get that he hasn’t been here nearly as long, but the point is he’s throwing up lame excuses as to why he doesn’t plan on doing it in the future.

On top of all that, I generally think defeatism towards a lynch is a scumtell. If you’re town you still can do a lot with the last couple votes on your wagon.

[Slaxx]

That's why I was telling you to tone down the hatcheting in the scum PT.

gut read this post as scum, tbh. not voting until i read tomorrow, tho

That’s a really weird one to read after the shit show that had been the last 48 hours but I won’t be picky I guess.

[Slaxx]

He’s pulling a Morality and creating WIFOM interactions for us to try and associate, but we’d be best to not look into it too deeply else we run falling for a WIFOM trap.

Holy. Shit. You are town this game.

I noticed that too but was going to ignore it, might have gotten more reads from people reacting to him.

[Slaxx]

I’m sorry, I realize I did say I didn’t like the way you did the VCA. But it had nothing to do with the fact you did it and everything to do with you arbitrarily assigning at least one scum to those five reads.

That's was my whole point though. You basically said... "I'ts OK you did the VCA, but it's shady that you came to the conclusion that there was likely scum on Baezu's wagon". Why is me saying that it's

probable

(not 100% guaranteed) that there was scum on Baezu's wagon scummy/suspect? Yes it's possible that both Baezu is town and her entire wagon was town. I just don't think that scenario is all that likely, and the purpose of me doing the VCA was to drive home that point. You can disagree with my analysis, but I don't understand why you think the conclusion I came to is scummy.

Here is an example of a town game where I did similar VCA analysis on day one before any flips happened:

Newbie 1893 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77453)

The first post in your ISO in that game is more solvey and Socratic than anything you’ve done this game day.

It’s not that you did the VCA, once again, and I know you get that. But it seemed very arbitrary. It wasn’t accompanied by other reads besides pretty cookie cutter safe ones, and it didn’t really come with any interaction with anyone on the wagon besides me.

[Slaxx]

Wait where is the VCA in that game

[Slaxx]

I’m skimming on mobile and can’t even find it?

[Slaxx]

Dude scrolling through this ISO is just making me more confident of my read of you in this game >_> I get there are different levels of interest depending on game state but damn.

[Slaxx]

HitAlt should be investigated at some point as well. I find him somewhat suspect. Not sure about Vedith or Something_Smart.

...really

You don't think SS would make a good investigation?

[Slaxx]

And I don’t think you’re playing the way you did in kids with guns.

I feel like you’re displaying a reluctant playstyle, and how am I not supposed to attribute that to letting us take over the hydra in lynchpin?

Like I see this guy who’s active in Lovers and Kids With Guns, who when I hydra with him basically takes a back seat as scum, and then all my interactions with him are like pulling teeth for reads? I mean how’s it an irrational leap to think you’re scum here? It absolutely isn’t.

Also Slaxx... I repeatedly stated in the Lynchpin Discord hydra channel that the reason I wasn't posting much is because I didn't want to create hydra dissonance between us. In the beginning of the game, Auro and I had come up with the strategy of trying to get Creature mislynched by pushing the narrative that "Creature is likely either the lynchpin or scum". That was the strategy Auro and I had come up with, but then you wanted to go in a completely different direction and start pushing Allomancer. Soon you basically took control over our slot, and because you and I have very different playstyles, I was concerned that if I posted a lot in the game thread there would be a ton of hydra dissonance because of the different strategies we had in mind. I mentioned this like several times in the Lynchpin Discord hydra channel. That's why I stuck to mostly giving advice/suggestions in the Discord hydra channel and left the posting in the game thread mainly up to you and Auro, because the two of you were pretty in sync with each other in terms of strategy/approach.

Re: the lurking volxen scum argument, this is fair. You're still not playing to your town meta though. I don't see the town motivtion in just directing investigatives and vigs etc instead of actually giving transparent reasons and interacting with people more. Once again, you didn't even start really branching out and pressing people until there was a wagon on you, and even now there's still not a lot of in-game reasoning as to why so and so is scum/ so and so is town. Just x would make a good vig shot, y would make a good investigation.

Let's say I am the vig and you flip town, who do I shoot?

[Slaxx]

ausuka

Not okay

Why does it “feel wrong”?

[Slaxx]

My issue with Ausuka is she said that the wagon didn’t feel right because it felt easy, but then voted Bae. Bae’s wagon felt a lot easier to me, but maybe it’s because I was doing most of the work on volx and less so on Bae. But even putting that aside I feel like Volxen
‘S wagon has been more difficult, proportionally so given that in my own eyes Volxen has been more obvious than Bae.

My other issue is that Ausuka brought up a pretty compelling meta reason for why Bae might be town, looking into her history. I don’t know why scum Ausuka would go to those lengths to clear Bae and dismantle the wagon, then later get back on it. I also don’t get why Aus would leave this wagon either unless Volx and Aus were partners.

If Volx flips town here Aus to me is basically a clear. If Volx flips scum, I’m basically begging the investigative to check SS, but if you don’t want to, Aus would be fine.

[Slaxx]

I just got back from my dog having stitches and I’m exhausted- I’ll catch up tomorrow

Don’t take the cone of shame off no matter how much they whine! Hope they’re okay.

[Slaxx]

I understand! Mine has a hot spot that needs looked at.

As long as you are consistent with the antibiotics (if they gave you any), and you don't let any wound-licking happen it will pan out fine . If they recommended a followup make sure to go to that as well!

Game related: can we please lynch volxen like oh my god.

[Slaxx]

Only other person I’ll lynch today is SS.

[Slaxx]

O.o

It’s nothing personal. I still think Volxen has high scum equity but I think you do too. If people are blind on Volxen, fine, maybe I’ll be taken seriously if you flip red.

I’m also getting a heavy two-man scumteam vibe based on the macro game and how hard it is to get wagons to form.

[Slaxx]

48 pages with a single brief L-1, and one other L-2.

Yes

I’d say that’s difficult.

[Slaxx]

You might not have been trying but I have.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Wanna make another wagon happen?

I liked your self vote better

[Slaxx]

Don’t bother with Vedith, the real big will shoot him tonight and if the claim is real, or maybe n3.

[Slaxx]

Serious, not real. You get my drift tho

[Slaxx]

Also we should lynch today. Lynching on evens isn’t a big deal this far out. If the time comes where NL is appropriate then that will become obviousz

[Slaxx]

Scum post

I don't know if you are just completely incapable of reading me or you are scum, but you are taking a pretty one-dimensional view of my slot. Then again, considering I am the most widely scumread person in this game, and people are even talking about scum!Ausuka... I would say most people are completely in the dark as to who is actually scum.

That's why I am trying to help direct the night actions for our town power role(s), because I don't think this game is ever going to be won strictly the "old fashioned way" (i.e., by actually reading people correctly).

If Slaxx is scum like I strongly suspect that he is, then he's already done a very good job at deepwolfing and fooling everyone into thinking that he is town.

I’m still really floored you think that you happen to have better reads than most of the other people here despite giving little reason for any of them. I’m still not even entirely sure what your case is against me besides you think I’m misrepping your meta? I addressed the other issues already, and some are just patently false, like me not trying to engage with you.

[Slaxx]

I just don’t buy that line of thought.

I get some of it is Siv as well I guess but it’s my interactions that seemed to be your catalyst.

[Slaxx]

Don’t make me call Bob Vance.

[Slaxx]

RCE

[Slaxx]

If the mods started cracking down on alternative accounts would they control alt deletes?

[Slaxx]

The hammer is up for grabs

How many times do I have to call it?
Intent to hammer in a few hours

I think Vork is town no matter what.

I don’t see why mafia would make this much of a show about hammering. Generally you don’t want to be remembered as being hesitatant about your vote regardless of the flip.

[Slaxx]

This could be an all town wagon I think.

[Slaxx]

>.<

Always appreciate your insight!

I actually enjoy playing with you I just think you’re scum so I have to give you shit.

[Slaxx]

0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes is ideal

[Slaxx]

Well of course we do. Better a flip then a no lynch.

[Slaxx]

Than

Dammit

[Slaxx]

I don’t think two hours will make a difference.

54 pages is plenty for day 1. Lots of my games end around there lol.

[Slaxx]

Ask me any question I won't lie to you.

Brb, let me wikipedia some paradoxes that you physically can't answer.

But it's not though- like I swear someone promised content that they didn't deliver on, and I'd rather they did before the flip.

If we miss deadline it’s on you

[Slaxx]

Well if it's just going to be discussion on how Volxen is scum then there isn't much point and you should hammer now.

Dude

You can hammer too

Lmfao

[Slaxx]

Why risk having to take responsibility when you can just end it

Makes no sense

Max two people die tonight? Don’t see a world where more than that do in a normal.

[Slaxx]

Are you seriously asking me why I’m concerned about a no lynch?

[Slaxx]

Here’s some fourth year calculus for you:

1 less lynch means = 1 less town-motivated kill

I’m publishing in the Journal of Obvious Math soon look for me.

[Slaxx]

But apparently not the journal of obvious grammar rip

[Slaxx]

Town cleaned up well here. Ive been off and on following.

I got vigged before I could 180 on Alch

I got heavy town PR vibes the first half of the day from him, but as the day went on, in particular his post directed at me about how Volxen seemed town, pinged me hard. I should have 180d there but... oh well.