911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)

[tris]

@Baezu, do you have that readslist you said you'd make?

[Baezu]

Was this the post that irritated you?

I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles

The fact that he made a scum pool out of four random people without any explanation?

[insomnia]

That later on turned to a 6 player pool and he removed me, the ony person he voted for at that time

[insomnia]

Who tf votes for a No-lynch and then when suspicion is on somebody you sneak up a naked vote

[Enigma]

Didn’t you get really pissed off at not mafia for mislynching you in The Lab?

yes, but i still think hes good quality when hes not screwing me

i stand by my position that YM is not the ideal lynch position today.

[Enigma]

I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO

mechanically, how does threatening to l-1 someone make sense? then what are you going to do when they claim? ohh nah lets not lynch them?
we are not going down the path of lets l-1 claim then the next guy and next guy, it just makes it easier for scum to hunt prs.

[Baezu]

Elbirn- town town town

Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)

Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum

nahhh im not, sorry

VOTE: insomnia
here for now is good

Why?

Do you have any other scumreads?

VOTE: enigma

yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game

insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie

Guilty lion- town

Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...

Invisibility- again, it feels like I’m missing something...nothing she does seems particularly townie to me

Maria is one that I can usually tell right away when she’s town and I’m not getting that vibe this game...

Ofthz is town

I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy

It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.

Eh. I kind of wished that early wagon on you had stayed, but whatever. Imma just pretend the whole family emergency business didn't happen.

[vote[Insomnia[/vote]

Skitter - town

Tris- town

Volxen- town

YM - I initially put my vote on them to get some response and get them talking then the wagon formed and it felt like it might be heading towards a mislynch. They haven’t provided much content but they’re null to me at this point

;tl/dr

In no particular order

Town- {volxen, tris, skitter, ofrhz, Elbirn, GL}
Null- {invis, YM}
Scum - {enigma, Maria, roster}

VOTE: enigma

[Enigma]

In post 358, Enigma wrote:
i sr gl

Explain? Because I really disagree with this one.

i pretty much said in the post i havent figured out how to explain it yet, which is why in the first place i didn't really note it

[ofrhz]

Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...

Is this a tr or an sr

[Enigma]

I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO

ps: i remember when i called out the entire scumteam in lylo, and then you called me bad and said my reads were all wrong and that i was scum?
was that mechanical?

[insomnia]

What does that game have to do with any of this?

[ofrhz]

Baezu why do you tr volxen?

[Enigma]

What does that game have to do with any of this?

its a subtle hint that willingness to reassess your scum reads and actually listening to what other people say can be a productive thing

[ofrhz]

Thinking enigma is town

VOTE: invis

[Enigma]

Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)

how is this post bad

[insomnia]

What does that game have to do with any of this?

its a subtle hint that willingness to reassess your scum reads and actually listening to what other people say can be a productive thing

It’s day one and your scum read on me is bad already

Why should I listen to you?

Just because you late game found BuJ scum because he was voting you and then you could form associations based on that read it doesn’t make you a good player sry

[insomnia]

I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around

Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.

Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO

mechanically, how does threatening to l-1 someone make sense? then what are you going to do when they claim? ohh nah lets not lynch them?
we are not going down the path of lets l-1 claim then the next guy and next guy, it just makes it easier for scum to hunt prs.

Mechanically, killing someone that

1) Is not helping to progress with town wincon

2) Is helping the wincon of scum by being suspicious and easy lynch bait

Is the right play here.

You’re basically saying “he’s too scummy to not be town” which is faulty logic.

[Enigma]

Just because you late game found BuJ scum because he was voting you and then you could form associations based on that read it doesn’t make you a good player sry

im not saying im a good player, im saying that you stubbornly refused to acknowledge someone else's logic or reasoning when it did not coincide with your own

[Invisibility]

why did tris vote me

like this

and not unvote
I voted volxen because he shaded someone early then did jack s word

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: yes
don’t claim or I will suck your shoes like pasta

vizzy you're votes this game are all really awkward. and like awkwardly timed too.
you just placed him at l-1 here (after saying you were willing to hammer) - why are you telling him not to claim? if you want him lynched i think it would be a lot better to get a claim first. if you're telling him not to claim because you dont' want the wagon to get lynched why did you l-1 him?

you know what insomnia can go back

i don't know what you mean by this

pressure him to play better, also I didn’t want a lynch yet
go back to a scumread

[insomnia]

Logic = makes sense

You are defending someone with 5 posts that votes for a no lynch at the beginning of the day and then has a 6 player lynch pool

Reasons for defending :

1) Provides entertainment. Where’s that entertainment? This isn’t a reason to keep someone around even if he was entertaining
2) shit associatives post-flip. I highly doubt that would be the case.
3) cop/vig should do our job instead of checking / shooting people that can’t be read. What a waste. I’ve explained a vig shot on him is useless, not sure this is how jester works, but the only scenario vig should shoot someone like YM would be if this was a jester setup.

You are refusing to vote someone that is preventing us from progressing. That’s why I scum read you.

Oh, that plus if he is town, it just proves you are scum who wanted to get merit points as they lacked content and probably will lurk half of the game.

There’s no reason to defend someone that isn’t even defending themselves. He has 5 posts, why are you going out of your way to defend him? If he was an active player with reads, then maybe I’d argue defending him would come off as natural, but...just why?

You’re helping to keep someone alive that will screw with town extra hard. That’s anti-town.

I guess this accusation is pointless if you don’t understand pure logical mechanics, so I’ll just end this rn

[Enigma]

Mechanically, killing someone that

1) Is not helping to progress with town wincon

2) Is helping the wincon of scum by being suspicious and easy lynch bait

Is the right play here.

You’re basically saying “he’s too scummy to not be town” which is faulty logic.

here let me show you ...

i agree with you:
1. yes i can see you reasoning behind why you would want to vote YM
2. someone like YM can be a liability later in the game

i argue that:
1. it is not a sustainable town strat just to lynch lynchbait
2. its easy for scum to jump on a town!lynchbait wagon and to defend themselves against it later in the game
3. it is much better use of a vig (or cop, but cop can have other better targets) to sort the role

i reject that:
1. im not saying hes too scummy to not be town - rather im saying you dont get any value out of d1 by tunnelling a lurker/troll and this does beneficial to town

[Invisibility]

ugh yes is probably doing this crap as playstyle because eogiiekejhowknwgiosbegh
UNVOTE:

VOTE: yes
voting on his own terms

and if you think this is a playstyle read why are you voting him again?

I looked into it and I felt like his votes and actions were scummy
all of his votes were on popular wagons and he just pulled a lynchpool out of a hat (presumably) to produce content
also I’m not all the way caught up when this post is made

[Invisibility]

YM you have (expired on 2019-04-07 01:02:59) to claim

Or I’m giving you the almighty hammer

Oooo really not liking this post.

1) you’re already voting him
2) you can’t hammer because he’s at L-2.

So basically you’re just trying to out a role claim?!

Not cool, my esteemed friend

VOTE: insomnia

this is bad too.
insomnia's view towards mafia is basically taht it's better to mislynch a player like town!yes mafia early on than to keep them around as mislynch bait that scum will try to lynch at game-critical moments later in the game (like, say, lylo). from this mindset of optimal mafia play, it makes sense for insomnia to push get him out of the game now, *even if he thinks he's town* (as opposed to letting his mislynch happen in three dayphases now, or letting him screw up lylo because he's still around) - and i think that despite having this pov, he'd prefer to let town!yes mafia stay around for a bit if he's a strong pr

you might disagree with him on a theoretical level but *from the pov that he's playing from* his push on yes mafia makes sense and i don't think it's scummy in this context

pedit hi ofrhz!

woah
UNVOTE:

[Enigma]

Logic = makes sense

You are defending someone with 5 posts that votes for a no lynch at the beginning of the day and then has a 6 player lynch pool

Reasons for defending :

1) Provides entertainment. Where’s that entertainment? This isn’t a reason to keep someone around even if he was entertaining
2) shit associatives post-flip. I highly doubt that would be the case.
3) cop/vig should do our job instead of checking / shooting people that can’t be read. What a waste. I’ve explained a vig shot on him is useless, not sure this is how jester works, but the only scenario vig should shoot someone like YM would be if this was a jester setup.

You are refusing to vote someone that is preventing us from progressing. That’s why I scum read you.

Oh, that plus if he is town, it just proves you are scum who wanted to get merit points as they lacked content and probably will lurk half of the game.

There’s no reason to defend someone that isn’t even defending themselves. He has 5 posts, why are you going out of your way to defend him? If he was an active player with reads, then maybe I’d argue defending him would come off as natural, but...just why?

You’re helping to keep someone alive that will screw with town extra hard. That’s anti-town.

I guess this accusation is pointless if you don’t understand pure logical mechanics, so I’ll just end this rn

1. if it is NM and he does actually decide to play, then he is entertaining to watch and idc
2. what associatives would you even get out of it - everyone could just throw a "he was being lynchbaity" and there is no dialogue or interactions from YM to prove otherwise
2.a) the only thing you'll get out of associatives will be me, and at this stage idc what YM flips because i don't even have a read on him
3. imo vigs, unless they are super good scum hunters, are a detriment to town and should just take safe shots like YM

[insomnia]

There is a fundamental difference in our mentality.