Open 78: Friends & Enemies (Over) - before 608

[Mr. Blonde]

/confirm

[Mr. Blonde]

Grimmy: show us your face (=your avatar)!

[Mr. Blonde]

First to post!

vote Celebloki

because voices in my head told me he's evil.

[Mr. Blonde]

unvote
vote Grimmy

...for forgetting that I'm here too, yet saying "Grimmy doesnt trust anyone!!!". Obvious scumtell.

[Mr. Blonde]

Only his dwarven towel boy knows for sure!!!

Grimmy - why no avatar?

He finds them suspicious.

I think it goes beyond that. Avatars find Grimmy suspicious.

[Mr. Blonde]

grimmy i'm getting this strange error when i try to view your avatar

Strange. I'm seeing it just fine.

dcorbe - why no avatar?

obvious scumtell

unvote
vote Korts

he was a town in one game where he attacked everybody over and over. Now he has voted just once. The town-korts I know would have voted at least 4 times already.

[Mr. Blonde]

Ahh, there's the Korts I know

Unvote
Vote: dcorbe

for not voting anybody

[Mr. Blonde]

Argh, votes flying back and forth. Could we get a votecount?

unvote

was just randomly throwing votes to see if some people would bandwagon or something...

Voting soon.

[Mr. Blonde]

Oh well... let's put some bandwagon moving:

unvote
vote farside22

[Mr. Blonde]

farside22: giving so thoughts on Mr. Blond so far I'm in a couple of current games with him. I will just say that he seems like this in all the games. I would say he is not a great scum hunter by any stretch of the imagination.

Thanks. I'll vote on you all games from now on

[Mr. Blonde]

Just checking in...

[Mr. Blonde]

Well, I gotta read back and come with better analysis... just wanted to remind I'm still here... Bit busy IRL right now.

[Mr. Blonde]

Rishi: Well, let's give you at least a little motivation to post something meaningful.

I do not need extra motivation to post. Just time...

dcorbe: I meant to ask you, Blonde, whether this comment was aimed at me or dcorbe. Either way I don't really follow how its a scumtell and I assume you're joking, as you did when I asked Grimmy to get one.

Was just joking. (I meant to joke about "not having avatar => scumtell")

Rishi: Still want something from Mr. Blonde, though.

Farside's vote on dcorbe (68) seems very opportunistic and there's I missed if there's some reason to vote dcorbe (dcorbe is explaining this well in post 155 quite well I think). This opportunistic vote is the main reason I'm voting Farside.

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Farside lists townies:

On to those I find townie:
Rishi
Poker
Rofl
Iceman
And no I'm not explaining my list. I am not giving scum an advantage

Giving absolutely no reasons <= this is not "scum advantage" if we know: it could be town advantage. Now it just creates confusion.

Bit scummy I think.

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I'm also missing why Farside is voting dcorbe.

dcorbe also reasons his vote by saying "just feels" (gut tell without any reasons is bit suspicious).

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As for others:

I find IcemanE saying bit odd words:

These are all decent scum tells, but I'm not sure she needs to be lynched IMMEDIATELY as you state in your most recent post. Is she the best candidate for a lynch so far today? I would say so, at this stage, but I'd like to do a little more talking before we take that step, call me reluctant or what you will but I'm in no rush to kill.

So, farside is the best candidate for lynch - yet IcemanE votes dcorbe?

[Mr. Blonde]

Ah, sorry for that... I gotta check these out again.

Votecount as of post 200

farside22 - 4 (Roflcopter, Mr. Blonde, Grimmy, dcorbe)
dcorbe - 1 (IcemanE)
Grimmy - 1 (Celebloki)
Korts - 1 (farside22)
Mr. Blonde - 1 (Rishi)

Not Voting - 4 (Pokerface, Surye, Korts, Tekkactus)

7 to lynch

[Mr. Blonde]

So, basically you are just:
1) Keeping your vote on me? because "you are not 100% sure he's savvy enough to realize he should be more helpful as scum". Now... that's an interesting reason

2) To me it looks like you are not going to hammer because it would make you look more suspicious...

3) ...yet you blame Korts for being afraid to hammer.

I think you are trying to look more pro-town and explain how the game works. You don't need to explain that mafia is also interested in scumhunting. It's clear to us.

So scum in this game might come across as being helpful.

Yep, like you.

[Mr. Blonde]

Blah, forgot to add "Mr.Blonde", so let's try again:

1) Keeping your vote on me? because "you [rishi] are not 100% sure Mr. Blonde is savvy enough to realize he should be more helpful as scum". Now... that's an interesting reason.

[Mr. Blonde]

I'm here (was quite inactive couple of last days: midsummer stuff), but otherwise have been watching the game. I'm happy with farside lynch, and think 12 pages is more than enough for day 1.

[Mr. Blonde]

I'll try to provide more insight in the future.

Meanwhile: the Korts's comment is a good catch. Hmm.

[Mr. Blonde]

Welcome aboard people.

[Mr. Blonde]

I'll said that I shall post later. Welcoming new people is what I do - has nothing to do with me posting or not posting other content.

By the way, this got my eye:

however, i don't think a lurkerhunt is what we need right now.

why not?

[Mr. Blonde]

i say a lurkerhunt is a waste of time because it takes our eye off of the prize today, which is lynching scum.

I don't think it's waste a time. In one game we lynched a lurker (who was a town), but it did give us information on those who were eager to lynch him - later helped townies to lynch scums.

but a lurker like you asking why we shouldn't be lurkerhunting makes me think you're looking for a way to get some heat off of your scumpartner.

Ah... since your initial thought was "heat off of your scumpartner", I start to think that perhaps you are one of the scums - and know that your lurker-scumparter Surye should not be voted.

[Mr. Blonde]

I was pretty busy/inactive last week: this week I have more time and shall write my thoughts.

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Meanwhile, roflkopter has suggested that scums are:

tek is so scum with farside

farside and muffinhead/korts

mr.blonde and muffinhead/korts

Whenever I see this type of pairing coming from one player... I start to think there's something behind it.

Something scummy.

[Mr. Blonde]

Well, the fact that you used "miraculous return of Mr. Blonde" (I don't see much miracleous that I was busy last week, and have more time this week - I call it life). If that wasn't a joke... then I presume you were serious, and seriously wrong - so I have no problem believing that you would be wrong on Tekkactus as well. Don't really see much more than guesswork there in that post.

[Mr. Blonde]

I said my opinion already: Don't really see much more than guesswork there in your post.

[Mr. Blonde]

Okay, here's some points that caught my attention:

post 75:

dcorbe - 3 (Mr. Blonde, Rishi, farside22)

post 76, roflcopter:

dcorbe wagon is being ridden by scum, methinks

unvote, vote: farside

Quite odd statement from rofl this soon.

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post 117, grimmy:

its seven to lynch.

farside has four votes so far.

My vote is safe, even if the deadline hits, because the four votes put her over the top in case of a deadline.

Vote: Farside

bit odd defendsive move from grimmy

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post 120, roflcopter:

still think the dcorbe case is a real reach. farside wagon is good.

uhh... way too early to tell, yet roflcopter seems sure about this.

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post 121, dcorbe:

At this point I'm inclined to agree. Plus it's time to start turning up some pressure on people.

So.

Unvote
Vote: farside22

(earlier he was fossing both Korts & Grimmy... why switch to farside?)

Then, post 127:

The thread deserves a reread by the mod. Technically it looks like she was already hammered.

I voted (Lynch), then pokerface unvoted to put her at L-1

I thought she was at L-2, actually that's why I didn't remove my vote.

@Mod?

See how eager dcorbe is to lynch farside?

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post 129, korts:

unvote

I'd take a look at rofl. I think that was a pretty convincing claim. What makes you so sure farside still should be today's lynch?

I didn't see a convincing claim... but I think it's a good point though.


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post 154, icemanE:

So far, the reaction seems to be pretty similar to when Grimmy didn't have an avatar. Then this happens:

Mr Blonde (60) wrote:

Unvote
Vote: dcorbe
for not voting anybody

...and the bandwagon begins.

Rishi (65) wrote:

Actually, I play in a lot of newbie games as an IC. I'd say that 90% of them will get an avatar if asked.

Unvote, Vote: dcorbe


Farside (68) wrote:

Someone needs to join a newbie game me thinks.
unvote:
vote: dcorbe

Those two votes seem incredibly opportunistic to me.

I agree - that's why I suspect farside.

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Korts (177), makes post by post analysis (something I've never seen him doing).

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farside (188), wrote:

On to those I find townie:
Rishi
Poker
Rofl
Iceman
And no I'm not explaining my list. I am not giving scum an advantage,...

unvote
vote Korts

I don't really understand what "advantage" scum gets from this... only makes townies confused.

icemanE (199)

Yeah, farside is still the best candidate, but being the best candidate (i.e., the most scummy) doesn't mean we've got to kill her right now - there are still going to be at least 3 scum going on into day 2, and if we're fairly sure farside is scum on day one, it makes sense to look into others, since we've got the time. I want to check everyone out before we kill someone - just because you've got a scum doesn't mean you have to kill it right then and there.

Doesn't make sense to kill it right away? We don't really know if somebody is a scum unless we lynch them. Find this statement quite odd. Not necessarily scummy, but still...

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(and at this point there was misquoted stuff... and problems with quotes)

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dcorbe, post 230:

You're making it sound as if I'm the one who put her at L-1.

Why is he worried about that?

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roflcopter (259)

1)trying to undermine the farside lynch

2)unfounded dcorbe hate, based not even on what he's done in this game but on what you perceive to be some kind of difference in his playstyle versus another game you've seen him in. please observe open game 69 (just recently concluded) and see dcorbe being just as unpleasant as he is in this game, as a townie.

tekk wrote:
Also, I sincerely doubt that dcorbe would have called me out if my post had been directed at anyone else.

bigger fos: tekkactus

So what if he undermines the farside lynch? It's day 1, we don't know if farside is a scum.

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dcorbe (281):

actually, on second thought..

I can't picture anyone hammering farside any time soon, so...

Unvote
Vote: icemanE

To me... dcorbe looks like he wants to lynch anybody than himself.

dcorbe gets frustrated with icemanE (285)

Doing any actual scum hunting doesn't seem to be a priority for you either. You'd rather just sit around, argue with me over stupid shit until any point either of us have made is LONG gone and bitch about my play style. Well I'm tired of walking on egg shells around you.

I think icemanE has been playing quite pro-town in this game.

dcorbe (332)

He's [Tekkacus] obviously paying attention to the thread, because he's quoting current events. He makes reference to the argument between icemanE and myself and the fact that Korts was recently replaced.

Overall he's being dodgy, evasive and he's actively lurking.

I would like to see a wagon get going so we can get some more useful information instead of going off into our own individual tangents about who we think is scum and who isn't

If what I've outlined is not a reason to at least wagon someone, I don't know what is. Hopefully if he gets wagoned a bit he'll wake up, participate a little more in this game, let us know why he's not a good target and also let us know who we should be focused on.

Unvote
Vote: Tekkactus

To me... it really starts to look like dcorbe wants to lynch anybody than himself. The fact that he pointed "as if you're playing to stay alive.." might tell what *he* is actually doing.

I remember being a scum, and accidentally once blurted out something similar about "what scums could do" (and was doing the same thing). I find this suspicious.

I find dcorbe's voting patterns & guesswork-reasons suspicious.

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Could somebody remind me about the reason why Korts/muffinhead is being voted? I didn't catch those...

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I still think farside's early opportunistic vote on dcorbe seemed suspicious (68).

dcorbe and roflcopter I feel to be scummy. grimmy made odd defensive comment which is quite scummy as well.

iceman still feels most pro-town to me, I think he tries to make effort to put analysis help town.

[Mr. Blonde]

muffinhead - please put votes on separate lines... otherwise your vote in post 340 might go unnoticed since it's in the end of the line.

I see rofl scummy because:
- he seemed certain in posts 76 and 120 that dcorbe is not to be lynched. I think it is quite soon to say so sure statements (this is the reason why I find him scummy: we really don't know who is the scum, yet he seems so sure - that was strikes scummy to me.)

do you find aggression to be pro-town?

Depends. Sometimes it can create confusion, sometimes it can put good pressure on people and generate good discussion. I've seen both to happen in mafia games.

[Mr. Blonde]

I like where this is going again.

Unvote
Vote: farside22

Okay, you've been jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon giving very little reasons - and defending by saying "my words make no sense". My post 338 points out how:
- dcorbe jumps from one vote to another very quickly, giving whatsoever no reasons besides "others must be right"
- worries about his imago (post 230)
- wants to lynch anybody besides himself, and actually accuses me of this

unvote
vote dcorbe

[Mr. Blonde]

Edit: darn quotes

Fixed

[Mr. Blonde]

Checking in.

Nothing useful to add.

[Mr. Blonde]

Checking in.... 17 pages. Yawn. Day 1.

Let's lynch somebody.

[Mr. Blonde]

Why?

[Mr. Blonde]

"Auch"