911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)

[MariaR]

You know what?
I trust you both
VOTE: Skitter

[ofrhz]

That’s L-1

Yeet

[light_ganski]

Vote Count 1.12

skitter30 (6)

- tris, ofrhz, Enigma, GuiltyLion, rosterfoster, MariaR

Baezu (2)

- Elbirn, insomnia

tris (1)

- skitter30

Enigma (1)

- Yes Mafia

Yes Mafia (1)

- Invisibility

Not Voting (2)

- volxen, Baezu

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

[Invisibility]

i was and now im not

[Elbirn]

Vote Count 1.12

skitter30 (6)

- tris, ofrhz, Enigma, GuiltyLion, rosterfoster, MariaR

Baezu (2)

- Elbirn, insomnia

tris (1)

- skitter30

Enigma (1)

- Yes Mafia

Yes Mafia (1)

- Invisibility

Not Voting (2)

- volxen, Baezu

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

intent to hammer

@Skitter speak now or forever hold your peace (aka claim)

[tris]

tris - don't understand the townreads here at all. her vote/unvote/revote on yes mafia was oppurtunistic (@ofhrz i know you don't think so, but i strongly disagree); she basically used the excuse of a pressure vote to hop on the wagon on someone that was pretty clearly not reacting to any sort pressure at that time.

her trajectory on me was also quite atrocious; she went from townreading me the page before to voting me as soon as someone else did without me, like, posting in between.

overall i think she's pushing oppurtunistic wagons.

I wasn't exactly townreading you then. I was just considering that you might be town because you had been saying things I generally agreed with. When I voted you, I wasn't confident you were scum or anything. I wanted to see more out of you, and see how you would do under pressure. Since then, you've continued to disappoint, so I've become more confident in this wagon.

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There doesn't seem to be much effective resistance to this wagon. I do believe that skitter is scum, so I wonder if there's some busing going on. Maybe scum have decided this is a lost cause. Or maybe they just haven't been very effective in getting town to join them elsewhere.

[tris]

At this point, this is the most confident I've been of a scumread in my recent games.

[Invisibility]

page 4
oh i get the self vote now lol

Stacking votes in rvs on someone without posts is scummy tho

Plus, he mentioned “The Lion is onto something” not “I agree with GL’s read”, huge difference.

VOTE: MariaR

Me likey pushing lurkers

?

Sue me

haha lol also
43 is wrong as frick

page 5

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ok

still feel the same about gl vs elbirn

[Invisibility]

i think scum thinking skitter is a lost cuase is plausible though because its kind of hard to convince people otherwise since this is based off of stuff thats already been done and cant really be fixed/unconvinced if that makes any sense that makes no sense
im fine with skitter going skitter is really good at scum and also at town
as ive said ive stopped being impressed with skitter
also i dont think i can really trust a read on skitter from myself
so its chill

[tris]

After skitter, Baezu might be the scummiest. I think I'll take a closer look at her read progressions.

[tris]

I wonder if roster could be busing. Sure, he made the first vote on skitter, but that wasn't for long. Now, when he's come back to the wagon, a skitter lynch was becoming more inevitable.

[insomnia]

Volxen has good posts as always, if baezu flips town then he would be the next person I'd look into. He knows how to build a proper scum case and knows when to take advantage of an easy push. If Baezu is town then his actions are really scummy and therefore he's an easy scum read / push.

Given volxen's lurkiness, I tend to believe he's a really analytical person, because even though he's not that active, when he is, he goes for quality rather than quantity. You can see the amount of time and effort behind a scum read ; the lengthy thought process.

I'm really not sure what your read on volxen is after reading the above. Is he only a scumread if baezu is town? Theres nothing independently scummy about him and he's a townread otherwise?

I townread volxen I just want to poke your brain

I’m town reading him because his accusation on Baezu is a good one

What I’m also saying is if we push Baezu and he flips town, there’s a chance volxen has orchestrated a good push on a scummy town, given his analytical nature. He isn’t a stream of consciousness poster, he takes his time to analyze every step and post he makes.

[insomnia]

@insomnia explain why you thought that baezu was town here?

People accused him on his entry post, which I find to be a really dumb scum hunting tool. That’s just from my pov, I don’t see scum hunting entry posts as an effective tool to catch scum

[insomnia]

Don’t hammer my white knight

[volxen]

Vote Count 1.4

Yes Mafia (6) - volxen, Baezu, skitter30, Invisibility, rosterfoster, tris

Elbirn (2)

- GuiltyLion, insomnia

Invisibility (2)

- MariaR, ofrhz

insomnia (1)

- Yes Mafia

Not Voting (2)

- Enigma, Elbirn

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

Vote Count 1.5

Yes Mafia (5) - volxen, Baezu, tris, insomnia, Invisibility

Invisibility (2)

- MariaR, ofrhz

tris (2)

- skitter30, Yes Mafia

Elbirn (1)

- GuiltyLion

insomnia (1)

- rosterfoster

Not Voting (2)

- Enigma, Elbirn

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

So the interesting thing here is in vote count 1.4 Yes_Mafia was at L-1 and at vote count 1.5 Yes_Mafia was only at L-2. When Baezu did her analysis of Yes_Mafia's wagon, she interestingly chose to look at the smaller L-2 Yes_Mafia wagon (vote count 1.5) and ignored the larger L-1 Yes_Mafia wagon (vote count 1.4). Which doesn't make sense -- if you really are going to try to do some pre-flip VCA, you want to look at all of the data. Why does town!Baezu focus on the smaller L-2 wagon and ignore the larger L-1 wagon against Yes_Mafia? That doesn't make sense if you are trying to draw reasonable conclusions about who may or may not be more likely to be scum. She shades the three of {Volxen, Invisibility, Tris} by saying that at least one of us "has" to be scum without mentioning the possibility of any of the other Yes_Mafia voters, {Insomnia, Skitter30, Rosterfoster}, being scum. At best it's bad VCA, and at worst she is pushing an agenda with her selective VCA to shade the three of us specifically.

This is the post I am talking about, where she did VCA based on vote count 1.5 (the L-2 Yes_Mafia wagon), but she never did VCA based on vote count 1.4 (the L-1 Yes_Mafia wagon):

L-4 ym

I agree that YM hasn’t done much and has scummy posts, but I don’t like how fast the wagon built on him...

Vote Count 1.5

Yes Mafia (5)

- volxen, Baezu, tris, insomnia, Invisibility

Invisibility (2)

- MariaR, ofrhz

tris (2)

- skitter30, Yes Mafia

Elbirn (1)

- GuiltyLion

insomnia (1)

- rosterfoster

Not Voting (2)

- Enigma, Elbirn

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?

Then there is Baezu's whole 180 on Maria from scumreading her to thinking that she should be the #1 protective target with no explanation as to why she made such a strong change in her stance towards Maria (see posts 381 and 513 ). She previously said she excluded Insomnia from her VCA because she was townreading him (see post 611), but yet she also previously listed both Tris and I as townreads (see post 381) and still shaded both of us with her VCA. A lot of Baezu's play here just feels really off.

[volxen]

VOTE: Baezu

[Elbirn]

The player she omitted from the VCA was none other than skitter.

*sips tea*

[volxen]

@Skitter, In post 599 you listed both Tris and Baezu as scumreads:

tris - don't understand the townreads here at all. her vote/unvote/revote on yes mafia was oppurtunistic (@ofhrz i know you don't think so, but i strongly disagree); she basically used the excuse of a pressure vote to hop on the wagon on someone that was pretty clearly not reacting to any sort pressure at that time. her trajectory on me was also quite atrocious; she went from townreading me the page before to voting me as soon as someone else did without me, like, posting in between. overall i think she's pushing oppurtunistic wagons.

beazu - the things she's saying and pushing don't really match the things she *does*. like after she voted insomnia she uses his read on enigma to push enigma herself, and she called out roster for voteparking on town!insomnia while voting insomnia herself; it doesn't really feel like her insomnia vote actually came from a read she really *believed* or *felt* since like her other reads and pushes don't really make sense when taken in conjunction with her stated scumread. i don't really feel like she scumreads insomnia so much as she used the existing wagon to find a place to slap down her vote with the most lamist of justifications. also i think she was buddyign elbirn in 184, that doesn't feel like a real thought that someone would actually, like, say

i don't think this is gaining traction like at all today but i still think this is scum so
VOTE: tris

idk if anyone wants to ask me something go for it

Why do you have your vote on Tris rather than Baezu? Tris is a widely townread player and you are clearly in the minority with your scumread of her. It's very unlikely that you could push a successful wagon on her, and you must realize this is the case based on the current state of the game. Baezu, on the other hand, is not a widely townread player and is coming under scrutiny due to some questionable things that she has done. You are currently the leading wagon at L-1 (6) votes, and Baezu is the closest thing to a competing counter-wagon at L-4 (3 votes). So wouldn't it make more sense for you to be voting for Baezu rather than Tris, given that you scumread both slots? Because your vote for Tris is really a vanity wagon at this point.

[Baezu]

That was an honest mistake guys, I did look at the vote counts and thought I had the one with all the votes. And I already explained why i focused on three of the four

[rosterfoster]

K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma

Why are you pushing a scumteam when we don't even know one flip? Makes me feel this for scum again. Ughh.

[rosterfoster]

But skitter is also scum, so I'll just keep my vote where it is.

[insomnia]

K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma

Why are you pushing a scumteam when we don't even know one flip? Makes me feel this for scum again. Ughh.

I’m pushing a single person, as that’s my limit. I can’t lynch 2 people in one day, the game wasn’t designed that way.

Of course if Baezu flips town here then I’d reconsider the scum team, it’s common sense. I scum read Baezu and then I try to look for potential scum buds by association.

Are you going to play the spanish inquisition for much longer and poke holes in my cases or are you actually going to provide input as well?

[insomnia]

K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma

Why are you pushing a scumteam when we don't even know one flip? Makes me feel this for scum again. Ughh.

That post is based on my scum read on Baezu. My maria scum read only works if Baezu flips scum. What is the problem here? Why is this suspicious?

[rosterfoster]

I already gave cases on both SKitter and Tris.

I just don't like it when people look for associations before the flip. But I've seen town do it so whatever.

[insomnia]

I already gave cases on both SKitter and Tris.

I just don't like it when people look for associations before the flip. But I've seen town do it so whatever.

Can you point to those cases?