Open 78: Friends & Enemies (Over) - before 608

[Grimmy]

<--rushes out of the shower with a towel wrapped around his waist and water dripping off of him...

Im in ...Im in...I couldnt har the phone while I was in the shower...

Grimmy
will dry off now. (air dry baby!!!)

[Grimmy]

hey farside congratulations on your beautiful baby!

Thank you. I just had to go back to work today and I miss him so much.

you have a new baby?

Congrats.
Im on my third. The latest is 3 months.
I have someone to play with ALL THE TIME!!!

and she likes to stay up late and watch movies....or watch me watch movies.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

QuitcherBitchin of Suspicion: Rishi

for complaining about posting about other games.

Chesspeice of suspicion: IcemanE

this game had more peices when it was lent to you!!!

WTF of suspicion: Korts and Surye

because I have no idea of what you are talking about

"A kick to myself because I should have lynched him in another game" of suspicion: Celebloki

I missed my chance...Grrrr...

Bad Pun of suspicion: Roflcopter

Dirty pool old man!!!

Chuckle of suspicion: Grimmy

for getting carried away with the suspicions.

Grimmy
doesnt trust anyone!!!

[Grimmy]

Sci-Fi channel fo suspicion: Surye

I never got the chance to watch it, and wouldnt know where to begin.

Grimmy
Doctor What?

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Hurt Feelings of suspicion: Farside22

Im disappointed that you cannot find anything funny about my name!!!

and seriously...the jokes about Mr. Blonde are ENDLESS!!!

OMGUS Of Suspicion: Mr Blonde

Is he a natural blonde? Only his dwarven towel boy knows for sure!!!


Grimmy
laughs when Blondes towel boy says "Gee your hair smells nice today"

[Grimmy]

And they steal my lunch money.


Ive just been lazy.
Ill throw one up that i stole from another site soon enough

Grimmy
King of all slackers

[Grimmy]

then it works!

Grimmy
will likely switch avatars when the mood fits

[Grimmy]

Can you seriously not see the avatar?

if not, ill switch it to another humorous one.

Grimmy
has bunches of them

[Grimmy]

seriously?
you are voting for someone because they did not put up an avatar?

Sheesh.

Dcorbe, feel free to email me and ill send you an avatar to put up

Grimmy
shaking his head.

[Grimmy]

that four votes for dcorbe....

Impressive.

im not jumping on the no avatar badnwagon though.

grimmy
not voting for dcorbe, unless a GOOD reason comes along.

[Grimmy]

The vote on dcorbe is not because he doesn't have an avatar (though that's not helping). It's his general attitude. He's really defensive and lashing out at people. Pretty much every post he's made has been pissy. This doesn't necessarily mean he's scum - more likely he's just a jerk. But, he seems a good person to pressure, because I think his reaction will be interesting.

My attitude? My posting history? Are you serious?

We're 4 pages into day 1 and I've barely posted at this point.

The only post I've made so far that should be interpreted as pissy is my STFU of Suspicion on Grimmy, but it didn't seem to bother him

as much as it bothers you and I even tried to excuse myself a few posts later (which you're either ignoring or haven't read yet).

You; sir, are pushing a wagon out of pure opportunism. I can at least understand all the random votes and the OMGUSing going on here, but you look like you're attempting to pick the ball up and build a case out of thin air.

I personally thought it was hysterical and was quite proud of the response.

[Grimmy]

Unvote

Okay, my SD Scummer vote is pointless now

ever heard of an event called SCUMMERSLAM?



He may fit right in!!!

Grimmy
BTR representing in Mafia forums

[Grimmy]

You; sir, are pushing a wagon out of pure opportunism. I can at least understand all the random votes and the OMGUSing going on here, but you look like you're attempting to pick the ball up and build a case out of thin air.

<insert random 3 letter acronym>

Good point

Gravedigger of Suspicion: Rishi

Because I want to know where he dug that one up from.

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Irish finger of Suspicion: everyone who DIDNT offer me alcohol

you should be ashamed of yourselves!!!

Grimmy
likely gone for the weekend. C YA Monday, if not sooner

[Grimmy]

I really don't like how discussion is centered around how the SD scummer core is going to get drunk together. That's not anything game-relevant.

And to expand on why I don't like your post: You're pushing a non-issue right now.

FoS: Korts

FoS: Grimmy

because we're 5 pages into D1 now, time to stop with the random voting and start contributing something useful.

your wish is my nachos.

fos right before voting: farside

2 reasons. The buddying up with roflcopter who has been known to persistnetly drive wagons, and the casting far reaching suspicions on others instead. Mass fos for talking about a real life getogether was one of them.

Question for farside: Why do you still feel "good" about your vote?


Note: I was originally gonna vote farside, and may still do so soon. I need to go back and see what the vote count for farside is. I dont want to L-1 her before I hear her explanation.

Grimmy
will brb

[Grimmy]

its seven to lynch.

farside has four votes so far.

My vote is safe, even if the deadline hits, because the four votes put her over the top in case of a deadline.

Vote: Farside

Grimmy
see ya monday

[Grimmy]

Okay I read through. Couple of things. First of all I would say Pokers comments about defensive or non defensive is really a non tell. I don't agree with the article, but knowing how I behave in some instances I guess it is a non tell. Now that I've see dcorbe playing in other games I see that in general he gets defensive when any pressure is added. Since the games are on going I won't say anything further about them, but I think it's just the way he is.
Finally on the I'm buddying up comment. I'm not sure why you think I'm buddying up. I figured in reality I would be lynched. Claiming townie usually does not have people unvoting. I get iceman's point on his reasoning for unvoting, but Korts is so back and forth on issues that just struck me as scummy.
First he unvotes after the claim. Then he talks about doing a PBPA on rofl for some odd reason. Why not do it on everyone. Then I find the PBPA really reaching to make minor scum points. I feel this is a set up to make rofl look scummy day 2 after I'm lynched and shown I was truthful in my claim.
On to those I find townie:
Rishi
Poker
Rofl
Iceman
And no I'm not explaining my list. I am not giving scum an advantage, but I would like to warn some people to be careful what you say and how you talk to people. If I can see something that looks like protection and knowing there is a mason group I'm sure the scum can too.

unvote:
vote: Korts

I personally think that the PBPA of Roflcopter made him look more town than anything else. The analysis of rofl basically eliminated anything I may have thought was scummy.

Grimmy
knows that rofl loves bandwagons. all the time. every time. its who he is.

[Grimmy]

right. i think we're in too many games together

ditto.
I have to look back sometimes and make sure im not bringing up a point that one of you guys said in another game we are in together.

Grimmy
yeah, that grimmy

[Grimmy]

ill most likely be out until monday

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

That's two posts in a row by people who are posting just to avoid getting prodded. If you guys aren't going to actually play then please ask for replacements.

Settle Down Beavis.

This game stretches out for weeks anyway, so a couple of days will not kill you. I may , but the time wont.

and I agree with rishi. replacement screw up the reads we can get from players who have been here for a while. Be patient grasshoper.

Im heading home. Ill try to do some PBPA's later this week

Grimmy
uh huh huh huh

[Grimmy]

Feedback.

Post 15: calls me out not to bring up the SD topic again.

Post 16: follow-up of post 15; FoS on me for pushing a non-issue (I wasn't pushing, I was stating that I don't like how people are still talking about it) FoS on Grimmy for... well, for being silly, I guess. I need feedback on this, since I'm involved in this particular tell/whatever; this is a bit misrepresenting me.

This makes Dcorbe look like an @$$, to be honest.
he makes a joke at Iceman. Iceman responds.
THREE PEOPLE POST about how the sd talk should die down now on the NEXT THREE POSTS.

to which Dcorbe calls you out for kicking a subject that has been dead for THREE WHOLE POSTS!!!
and did not mention the other two people who posted about the same subject right before you. Also, only a few real life hours had passed since then, and not enough posts were made to justify a "We have all moved on from this"

Also note: Dcorbe cannot tell the difference between a VOTE and a FOS.
I made a joke FOS, to which Dcorbe FOS's me for JOKE

VOTING

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Ill read the rest of the PBPA now.
Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Note: I will be unavailable for a week after next monday. I added this to my sig.
going on vacation and will be away from computers, the evil little things that they are.
Grimmy

[Grimmy]

quick note: back from vacation but dont even have time to see what was posted, so im checking in.
more tomorrow.
Grimmy

[Grimmy]

This is a heck of alot to catch up on.

Mod, could we have an official vote count please

I want to see who is voting for whom and why. Working backwards from a vote count is the easiet way to do so.

Grimmy
you guys make my head hurt.

Side note: From what I was able to gather betwixt then and now, Iceman seems the most Townish in this game so far. I will re-read to see if I should keep my vote on farside. Im also curious to see where this lurkerhunt goes.

Grimmy
signed before.

[Grimmy]

Most likely out till monday, but ill try to check in before then

[Grimmy]

I also have to go back and read everything again, especially the stuff with Rishi in it.

Grimmy
needs to make some charts of some sort.

[Grimmy]

-Charts are pretty
-we should focus on finding scum in general, as we still have 3 out there. No matter their alignment, they are still our target.
-mt re-read will likel yhave to wait a day or three, but ill try to comment on current events as the days go by.

grimmy
likes pretty charts.

[Grimmy]

I have yet to see a game where k7 does NOT lurk.

So for me, I cannot judge him by lurking alone.

Grimmy
throwing that in for Meta purposes.

[Grimmy]

2 scum down, 2 to go.

any ideas?
grimmy
really quick check in from home

[Grimmy]

grimmy
mufinhead
k7
Those r my top 3.

Any particular reason i am at the top of your list?

grimmy
knows its not alphabetical

[Grimmy]

Mass prods going out, everyone will get one, todays my birthday, which is why they didn't go out yesterday or early today. (yay being 30)

Happy belated
Mine is today, so Ill post something more substantial tomorrow.
(Yay? being 35)

Grimmy
so old he farts dust

[Grimmy]

Mass prods going out, everyone will get one, todays my birthday, which is why they didn't go out yesterday or early today. (yay being 30)

Happy belated
Mine is today, so Ill post something more substantial tomorrow.
(Yay? being 35)

Grimmy
so old he farts dust

Your old!!!
J/K

I know...I was looking through the old high school yearbook and was wondering what happened to the other apostles...

Grimmy
still owes Jesus a quarter for a bet we had about water and wine

[Grimmy]

@Farside: I still want to know why I was at the top of your scum list.

I also want to see what K7 has added in the game. Like I said before, seeing him lurking is what he always does. but I wonder why that makes him seem town. I will look at his posts to see why this is.

@Rofl- Why do YOU feel he is 100% town?

I still have to see where I was going with the farside suspicions a few days ago (I dont keep notes on these games) and see if this case has changed.

I am also curious as to the case on Surye.

So I got some reading ahead of me.
but if anyone has answers to some ofthese questions, feel free to answer and save me some time.

Grimmy
needs aspirin already. (dcorbe was in the game...*facepalm*)

[Grimmy]

k7 thought we were looking for more wolves. it is sorta dumb to not know how many wolves were in this

open setup

, but if he were mafia he'd know there were two of them and therefore only two wolves as well.

my initial thought was that he got this game confused with one of the SSW games. I think he was in one or two of those with many of us also, which would explain the confusion.

Just a guess.
Grimmy

[Grimmy]

My initial response...

My main suspect is Farside. The problem I have is trying to find her partner.
She has gone back and forth with many different issues in this game, as she seems to be trying to push any suspicions of her on to other people.

more to follow.
Grimmy

Vote: Farside

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2nd Grimmy- hasnt contributed any of his own info, too happy and out there which is uncharacteristic, usually only 1 or 2 liners, when he posts its off topic.

Note: I am like this in EVERY forum, not just mafia.

brb
Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Since I'm more or less today's lynch, I'd like to get my final thoughts in on how the game will be going once I'm postmortem.

I'm fairly certain IcemanE will be one of tonight's kills. The other one will probably be Dattebayo or roflcopter.

This is anti town move right here. I don't believe after this statement that you are not scum. In fact I think you are probably mafia telling your scum buddy who to target in this comment.

I seem to remember you doing this type of thing when you were set to be the first lynch...

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My problem with IcemanE is that I see him changing his mind back and forth when someone questions him. One moment I'm the lynch. The next he unvotes me, then I'm scum. I haven't really seen a reason from him on why he thinks so.

This is a thorn in my side about ROFL. he has made a number of votes and encouraged others to do so, but did not put much reasoning in the initial votes. You blast Icemen for this, but did not make a big deal out of it with Rofl.

The on again/off again buddying with ROfl makes me suspicious of him, but less so than Farside

FOS: Roflcopter

more to follow later

[Grimmy]

one last shot before lunchtime:

Her quick claim of Vanilla townie bothered me from the beginning.

The only townie safe claim I would beleive is if someone stated they were the last mason and it could be traced by the votes and comments of the other two masons.
the odds ofher being called out as not a townie in the begining were 5 out of 12. Using it as a safe claim doesnt sit well.

Thats all for now, Ill try to add more later or tomorrow, and I need to take a look at Rofl's wagons too.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Grimmy wins for not paying attention. Thus I find him scummy based on my earlier conversation

vote: Grimmy

Based on your ealier conversation....

and which part of the conversation included an answer for this question

Why am I at the top of your suspect list?

I asked in post 543, and again in post 560, and did not get an answer.

Did I miss a post somewhere?

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

ill have more for you kids later.

Duty calls

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Quick question: How is Rofl confirmed as town?

How is K7?

Grimmy
playing catch up on a few games

[Grimmy]

this is whispering

Grimmy
will go back and find the response now

[Grimmy]

Since I'm more or less today's lynch, I'd like to get my final thoughts in on how the game will be going once I'm postmortem.

I'm fairly certain IcemanE will be one of tonight's kills. The other one will probably be Dattebayo or roflcopter.

This is anti town move right here. I don't believe after this statement that you are not scum. In fact I think you are probably mafia telling your scum buddy who to target in this comment.

I seem to remember you doing this type of thing when you were set to be the first lynch...

Looking back, This comment needs to be amended
When Farside was L-1, she claimed town, and asked for people to look at who was on her wagon, notably Dcorbe. It wasnt as extreme a case as Tek, though, as he pointed out exactly who he thought was suspicious.
The reason I find this to be suspicious, is that Tek knew he was town, and was pointing out who he suspected to be the scum. Your comment seemed to aim the town to look at someone, but did not want to point out names, as to not draw attention to a scum partner.

Im rereading more now, so Ill post as I go.

grimmy

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question for Muffinhead.

You said you are sure farside is town. Why?

Also, I have seen more evidence that pretty much clears Rofl as town, as the 3rd mason (being called out as the mason doesn't matter now that the other two are gone)

So he is off my Suspect list.

more to follow.

My apologies if this seems out of order/whack, but I read these games from back to front, so I respond to later posts before earleir ones.

ymmirG

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[quote="roflcopter"]
the only way i'm not lynching you today is if you CLAIM WOLF and agree to kill a target chosen by

me

, iceman, farside and

dattebayo

.


My reasoning for not suspecting Rofl
add this to above post

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One thing that bothers me is how K7 keeps falling off of peoples radars, even though he had no posted very mch in the whole game.

Someone want to explain this one to me?

Grimmy
on page 21 and going backwards

[Grimmy]

I agree that Rofl is the third mason, but it doesnt explain why he is so sure of you.

Is he sure of you because you dropped your vote on the mason?
and it is a mason that died within the day or so afterwards.


All in all, Im not sure why Farside is "cleared" as town.

FOS (repeated?) K7 and Surye: for actively lurking

Grimmy
trying to peice together the last two scum

[Grimmy]

Grimmy wins for not paying attention. Thus I find him scummy based on my earlier conversation

vote: Grimmy

Clarify this for me.

This was because I missed the Mason reveal with the whispering thing right?

[Grimmy]

Grimmy wins for not paying attention. Thus I find him scummy based on my earlier conversation

vote: Grimmy

Clarify this for me.

This was because I missed the Mason reveal with the whispering thing right?

Yes

OK

So now that I "get it", some questions

What other reasons do you find me suspicious?
Who else do you find suspicious?

Next I will reread to see why Muffin has his vote on me, and present my case for that one.

Grimmy
going backwards again

[Grimmy]

While I am here...

K7

What makes you think im suspicious?

[Grimmy]

Ok now im convinced grimmy is scum. His last few posts are enough for me to lynch him and I dont see the need for an explination.

Granted, while I post my defenses post by post in a backwards order, my method of orginazation is not (or should not) be a scum-tell, its just unorganized.

Im sure you posted other reasons, and ill get to them as I go back.

[Grimmy]

2nd Grimmy- hasnt contributed any of his own info, too happy and out there which is uncharacteristic, usually only 1 or 2 liners, when he posts its off topic.

Again, the "too happy and out there" is VERY characteristic of who I am in EVERY forum.

Some outside meta for this

www.clockworkstorybook.net
www.properlypromoted.com

more to follow.

[Grimmy]

ok

I have given input and I have given names of who I think are the scum in this game.

So for both Muffinhead, and Farside, Im not asking you to just lift your votes off of me, Im asking for a re-evalutation of me, to either confirm your votes, or to nullify the reasons you DID vote for me, and THEN lift them.

Grimmy
presented more of a case either for or against me.

Also, Im curious as to Rofl's and Surye's opinion of me now.

PS
Welcome back Surye. I didnt notice you were on VA/whatever the abreviation is. Please give us your list of suspects in this game.

Grimmy

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another note:

I find it easier for me to go backwards in this game player by player to get a better view of how things has gone with and for them. Its the way I play this game, and why I post responses the way I do.
Im posting this as a more clarified description of what I said earlier.

Grimmy

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Im going to be v/la until monday or tuesday while i deal with a fried work computer.

I lost all my bookmarks and all the other good stuff.

Im sad
Grimmy

[Grimmy]

I asked for the people voting for me to review the case against me and to review the arguements I made against my lynch already. If you havent done so, Please do so now before the deadline.

Surye voted for me AFTER I plead my case, so there is no real need to ask him for a reread.

So unless someone else pushes for the other suspect (Surye), then my case is useless.

Unvote

My sole vote on farside is useless as well.

Grimmy
has less than four days left to this game unless the lurkers make a stand.

[Grimmy]

I still do not beleive the whole K7 is cleared because he did not read the rules.

I didnt pick up on the fact that masons were even IN this game until later, and thought mentioning it would have made me look guilty.

[Grimmy]

Vote: surye

Better you (scum) than me (town)

Grimmy
hammertime

[Grimmy]

The Mafia did a great job on the cross-kills, which is a shame because I don't think either me or icemanE were in danger of being lynched.

Thats why I pushed for your deaths.

I really had no idea until day three that there were masons in the game.

By that time, it was too late.

I cant beleive I got the votes lifted off of me.

At one point, I contemplated suicide in the game just because it seemed hopeless, and suicide is painless according to the MASH theme song

This was fun. Wish I did know about the masons earlier, though.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

[quote="PokerFace"]
I have played with Grimmy in one other game. And it now appears he has a natural lurkish comedic playstyle and that it is part of his character as town and as scum. So blending in with other lurkers like Surye, K7, and Blonde probably wasn't a challenge. I doubt he had to plan that since I think it comes natural to him. Grimmy was given a good situation and oportunity so he could rely on who he already was, and therefore get by without doing alot of extra effort during the day. At least thats what I think. He got alot done with little effort. I wish I had that kind of luck to get put in situations where my perticular charisma lets me flourish. But I still get the impression that he did do some work, so there is no denieing he won this too, yet I still wish I could fathom one question.[quote]
http://www.clockworkstorybook.net/forum ... 42&start=0

All my posts were humor. I madeit a poitn of pride in this particular game. I found it quite amusing.
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Is Grimmy flying by the seat of pants and just improvising as he goes with the tools he sees surrounding him, or is there really a loose crazy plan somewhere in his head motivating him constantly?

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Yes.