Open 754: Fire and Ice (Game Over) Fire Mafia wins.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: brightfish

Because he's fishy

[ceejayvinoya]

You mean buddy.

Maybe you should read the rules...

[ceejayvinoya]

@BrightEyedFish is Dr Worm good town to you?

[ceejayvinoya]

Whoops sorry for being late, I had a looooooong day yesterday.

You know, there's a player who, in my eyes, is always scum.

VOTE: Ceejayvinoya

Nice playing with you again, vivi.

Hey Pintu! Nice playing with you again too

Sorry for what happened back on vanilla 8-ball

Hope we can get along this time

[ceejayvinoya]

Pintu town \o/

Eyes is town.
\o/

Vedith must be close to getting this game solved.

Am proud.

[ceejayvinoya]

I don't really know how to put it into words, I get a bad feeling from their posts

To try to explain, they've been pretty friendly/agreeable seeming so far, and that's actually an attitude I expect to see coming from scum, and they themselves haven't stood out in their posts aside from that

Let's change the question. Has anyone stood out as town to you? Did you get a good feeling from someone elses post?

[ceejayvinoya]

friendly/agreeable

Everyone has pretty much been "friendly/agreeable" so far. It looks like you trying to hard...

VOTE: RuiRui

Uh what did she try exactly?

[ceejayvinoya]

friendly/agreeable

Everyone has pretty much been "friendly/agreeable" so far. It looks like you trying to hard...

VOTE: RuiRui

Uh what did she try exactly?

uh... she is trying to build a case on you, did you not read?

YOOHOO, I think we got one of the scum teams. ceejayvinoya/RuiRui anyone?

And I was just beginning to like you. Sigh.

What I understood here is that she explained that my friendliness/agreeableness was fake and that's why she has a bad feeling over my posts.

That's hardly a case.

Pedit. Shhh I'm trying

[ceejayvinoya]

Granted, I don't understand RuiRui much either. There are other players who are as agreeable and friendly. Why did I differ?

[ceejayvinoya]

Roster annoys me for some reason

[ceejayvinoya]

Would you rather I said nothing/shitposted rather than trying to get something happening on the only post of any substance in this game?

I'd rather you do better than naked vote someone and say choochoo

[ceejayvinoya]

That sounds nice.

Out of curiosity what's your experience in mafia?

[ceejayvinoya]

Actually, 93 feels off somehow.

VOTE: Ceejayvinoya

This is about as clear as mud and only a few ticks better than your earlier vote.

You probably can't even justify your RuiRui vote and why you decided to leave it for a post that

feels off somehow.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Roster

[ceejayvinoya]

I am going to vote roster not because of a solid scumread but because this game needs to get going so maybe we build a little pressure and gain some momentum.

VOTE: rosterfoster

Now, watch this post be my doom.

terrible post. Tempted to switch to voting BEF with this, except it is sort of NAI and thinking too much of it makes my head hurt.

[ceejayvinoya]

rosterwagon might not be a good idea after all. I sort of like his post 170.

UNVOTE:

[ceejayvinoya]

roster's vote on BEF is more valid than BEF's vote on roster, seeing that BEF's vote was just a "pressure" vote and roster's vote is him calling out BEF for voting without good reason.

[ceejayvinoya]

UNVOTE:

Ok, I've read through the thread.

@Springtrap haven't seen much from you, what are your reads so far?

@BrightEyedFish and @ceejayvinoya, any new reads since the Allo wagon?

Hey maadneet!

I think BrightEyedFish might be scum atm.

Same goes for Allomancer.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: BEF

This is infinitely better than Allomancer. (Soz Vedith).

Why do you think that might be NAI? Sure, it’s not impossible that it comes from lazy town, but I feel that post comes from scum ore often.

Because it can come from lazy town wanting to progress the game like you said. I just had to consider it.

I can see where you're coming from tho, and I'm on board with a BEF wagon.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[ceejayvinoya]

Yep that's why I said it was "sort of NAI" rather than directly saying that it's NAI.

Like a kinder version of "There's a chance that post might come from town but damn that's scummy."

[ceejayvinoya]

I'd like to vote bef.

Maadneet also not a bad idea.

[ceejayvinoya]

ceejay feels town

And I was just beginning to like you. Sigh.

What I understood here is that she explained that my friendliness/agreeableness was fake and that's why she has a bad feeling over my posts.

That's hardly a case.

Pedit. Shhh I'm trying

If you were beginning to like me then why have you had your vote parked on me since your 1st post?

This defense from you just adds to my thoughts on the you/rui team idea.

I don't like this

VOTE: BEF

I'd like to vote bef.

Maadneet also not a bad idea.

You were basically voting me for the entire D1, so why aren't you voting me now? Perhaps your partner is dead and you have no one to follow anymore like you were clearly doing on D1.

I think there could be a case built on ceejay being ofhrz's partner.

VOTE: ceejay

lols

I lost a few brain cells trying to parse this.

So in simple terms, I'm not voting you because ofrhz is no longer around, and I'm scared that there is no more support for your wagon?

uh what?

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm no longer in the mood to vote BEF.

VOTE: maadneet

GrandWazoo also pings me bad

[ceejayvinoya]

Yeaaah more votes on GrandWazoo

VOTE: GrandWazoo

[ceejayvinoya]

So he should now be called Eyes Without The Internet

[ceejayvinoya]

Love Vedith's posts on the previous page

Also still comfortable with my pintu tr

Worm could also be town

[ceejayvinoya]

Yeaah what pintu said

[ceejayvinoya]

Okay, so who should I be voting over you?

Now that Eyeface is out of the picture, Ceejay is my top scumread.

Remind me on why Eye without internet is out of the picture? I don't get it.

That's a very weird thing to say.

I have no idea where it could come from.

[ceejayvinoya]

Ooooh amaziiing

Ooooh what exactly does tha vca tell us master BEF?

[ceejayvinoya]

There are 7 people on that wagon. Of course scum might be there.

You can join us on lynching GrandWazoo. He was on the Allo wagon

[ceejayvinoya]

There are 7 people on that wagon. Of course scum might be there.

You can join us on lynching GrandWazoo. He was on the Allo wagon

I'm already on that wagon...

I forgot

Hey Roster! Maadneet! Get in here

[ceejayvinoya]

And over here we see RuiRui buddying the new guy.

[ceejayvinoya]

Hmm I must be wrong somewhere.

@RuiRui can you expand on your GrandWazoo TR? From reading his ISO he could be town but I need a push.

@Pintu how good is Allo at reading Vedith?

[ceejayvinoya]

[ceejayvinoya]

soooo are you all going to talk or will you all just burn this free day were given

[ceejayvinoya]

lols let me remember where I'm at.

I remember townreading Pintu and Insomnia.

BEF is probably town. I find it hard to see that he could be partnered with either Offers or Vedith.

[ceejayvinoya]

Your current thoughts suck.

Vedith tried to get BEF lynched yesterday and would have gotten away with it if Pintu have played along.

What's keeping Dr. Worm from your today's lynch list?

[ceejayvinoya]

Your current thoughts suck.

Vedith tried to get BEF lynched yesterday and would have gotten away with it if Pintu have played along.

What's keeping Dr. Worm from your today's lynch list?

At least I have scum reads

fair

But heeey no scumreads > wrong scumreads

Anything to say about my two other statements?

I'll be happy to join you in a Dr. Worm wagon.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'll read the game again (it's short enough to do that), recognize two other fellow townies along with maadneet and I'll just quicklynch whoever's outside of those 4 players. Pre reread, the three would be Vivi, insomnia and Dr. Worm, but more to come.

Go Pintu, beat the crap out of this game.

[ceejayvinoya]

I scumread bef and grand wazoo earlier, but the vedith flip threw me off.

My PoE right now says scum are Dr Worm and Roster.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: insomnia

Eh why not

[ceejayvinoya]

@mod my vote is on insomnia

Sorry fixed that got your vote and Pinturicchio's vote reversed.

[ceejayvinoya]

Zzz this is boring

VOTE: Roster

[ceejayvinoya]

We can flip roster first if you like, and then PoE me if Roster flips town.

What cookies? Where?

[ceejayvinoya]

@BEF if you just replaced into this game and saw two scum flips, one for each team, wouldn't you look for "connections" too?

[ceejayvinoya]

Arghhh speak up town

I'm so disappointed right now

The two leading wagons are the two active posters right now

And where the fug is our doctor and why isn't he using his conftownness to push people and help out

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm so damn tempted to hammer

Pintu how is your insomnia read?

[ceejayvinoya]

noooooo

this better flip scum

tho to be fair I don't imagine the day going anywhere else.

[ceejayvinoya]

One day you're going to have to change the way you read me

It gets boring when I always get scumread by you and you end up to be town too

[ceejayvinoya]

BEF lynch was inevitable. This town is a chore to work with.

what's your reads pintu?

[ceejayvinoya]

@Pintu here's my most recent town game if it helps.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=79167

[ceejayvinoya]

BEF lynch was inevitable. This town is a chore to work with.

what's your reads pintu?

I still think you're the remaining scum. And the AtE you threw before the day ended doesn't help: I don't always scumread you, I townread you in Jungle Republic. Guess what: that was a multi ball, and you were scum. I've seen plenty of playstyle differences here compared to the games I usually scumread you wrongly, so now I think I wrongly townread you at the begining of this game. Reevaluating is nice, you know? But don't worry, I'll take my time, I'll read the game or some relevant ISOs, and I will read some other recent games of yours to see if this playstyle thing I see here is some kind of new approach you've been applying.

Not relevant, but you almost got me lynched d1 on jungle republic if I remember correctly

[ceejayvinoya]

Succinct.

[ceejayvinoya]

^Don’t like that post.

Ceejay what do you think about no-lynching today? And please tell me why.

Yes to no lynching today.

I just want Pintu to reevaluate his reads first and hopefully give me some good ideas on who the last scum is.

[ceejayvinoya]

I have a tr on pintu and there are some posts on roster+vedith that make me lean on the idea that they're not on a team together.

[ceejayvinoya]

Dr Worm also has this strong, consistent townread on Vedith for no particular reason I can point to.

[ceejayvinoya]

Then there's succint looking for connections on vca on who the last scums are but neglecting to try looking for associations.

[ceejayvinoya]

That's practically a summary of what I got to but you get the idea.

[ceejayvinoya]

Shitshitshit

I'm so afraid I'll fuck this up.

[ceejayvinoya]

Long post ahead:

Spoiler:

[ceejayvinoya]

On the other hand, a burnt corpse was found as well, along with the carcass of an ice dragon. It seems, without followers, the ice dragon died. Insomnia [/b][/color]

Ice Mafia Goon

has died, along with his draconian master.

It's noteworthy: last scum deliberately shot the other scum knowing it'd bring them to mylo, not knowing the other scum would shoot the doctor. They could've gone in with the other scum dead, another town dead, facing the doctor and two townies.

This suggests they were in a comfortable position.

Votecount 3.FINAL

BrightEyedFish (3) ~

succinct, insomnia, rosterfoster, pinturicchio

RosterFoster (2)~

BrightEyedFish, ceejyavinoya

rosterfoster wasn't in a comfortable position; he was in a spot where he was looking like a probable lynch candidate for D4. Having ice scum alive would be borderline a necessity if he were scum.

Ergo, why I thought the last scum was either pinturicchio or ceejayvinoya. I leaned pinturicchio because pinturicchio's position was more comfortable than ceejay's.

This works for you too. You're in a comfortable position yourself.

Votecount 3.5

insomnia (2) ~[/b]ceejyavinoya, pinturicchio
RosterFoster (1)~ BrightEyedFish

succinct (1) ~

maadneet

BrightEyedFish (1) ~

succinct

Not Voting (2)~

insomnia, rosterfoster

Since we can safely assume scum deliberately cross-killed, we can infer scum were scumreading insomnia; both ceejay and pinturicchio voted insomnia, whereas rosterfoster did not.

I sheeped Pintu there at post 559. I didn't scumread him independently.

If you're paying attention to my reads then, you'll notice my scumpool at post 550 was at dr worm and roster.

Held just a few feet away, seemingly cowering away from the now dead Vedith, a burnt corpse barely recognizable as RuiRui is found. He was a

Vanilla Townie

I initially thought Rui was a fire kill because of being a threat; with the insomnia kill and BEF flipping town, I lean towards this instead being an attempt to cross-kill.

However, interestingly, if it wasn't, Rui's vote prior to BEF was on ceejayvinoya.

It's a bit inconsistent and shady that you're implying that this may not be a crosskill and I feared Rui somehow.

Proof this was a crosskill:

I think Ruirui might be ice Scum.
Grand, Ceej and BEF as fire? Well, 2 of them.

Good, who's scum for you?

Scum is in Grand/BEF/RuiRui and maybe Ceej although I like them better as town now.
RuiRui is highly likely to be Ice mafia so I'd lynch Grand or BEF today. Given that PPintu thinks BEF has some town tell I',m preferable for Grand.

And yes, I think Fire mafia want the ice mafia killed today to prevent them having the night kill.

ok.

Votecount 2.8

GrandWazoo (4)~

BrightEyedFish, Pinturicchio, Ceejayvinoya, Vedith

Ceejayvinoya (2)~

Rosterfoster, , RuiRui

While I realize roster hammered thus all three of ceejay/pint/roster were on the same wagon as Vedith (ensuring that Vedith's scumbuddy voted with him), Vedith's personality's more likely to vote close together as a scum voting bloc.

Again, favoring either ceejay or pinturicchio as scum.

Nothing to say here. I don't see how being on the grand wagon implicates me as scum, unless you're implying that someone who votes with scum is automatically likely to be a partner?

Votecount 2.3

maadneet (3)~

Pinturicchio, Vedith, Ceejayvinoya

BrightEyedFish (1)~

Rosterfoster

Further supported by

this

wagon.
Both pinturicchio and ceejayvinoya shared the wagon with Vedith.

To be fair, there

is

roster sharing with Vedith. Twice, actually.

This is reason for hesitance and why I erred against instantly voting ceejay; because the point I initially thought condemned him isn't so clear-cut.

Ofrhz is found burned to death, in his charred hands, a blue crystal is held, but the second someone tries to take it, the crystal crumbles. He was an[/b][/color]

Ice Mafia Goon

Given that ofrhz was not scumread, my hypothesis is this wasn't an intentional cross-kill and was accidental, but once made, Vedith's scumteam switched gears and began intentionally aiming for the elimination of the team.

That's of little help however.

Also not helpful; there were equal wagons on ceejay and roster at the time Vedith pushed Allomancer, so determining which was the scumbuddy the Allomancer was a counterwagon to's difficult. (Yes, the roster wagon grew larger, but that was

after

Vedith started pushing Allomancer.)

There

is

minor anti-partner indicators via roster's vote on Vedith, again reason I favor ceejay, but it's not outside the realm of early-game bussing altogether.

This is where I'm coming from with my ceejay suspicion.

Not very good.

[ceejayvinoya]

Here I go.

VOTE: Succinct

[ceejayvinoya]

Lols

[ceejayvinoya]

Are you last scum

[ceejayvinoya]

Arghh you got me.

Congrats

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm not usually one to blame other people but damn I wish town did more here.

[ceejayvinoya]

Ceejay is a great person, but I think I always scum read him because his reads are so bad.

Lols

[ceejayvinoya]

Your reads were great Pintu

Sorry I couldn't be townie enough for you