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[Egix96]

VOTE: milkcartonkid

We meet again.

[Egix96]

Hi guys, I'm a miller

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[Egix96]

Hi again to RC, Chennis, and Dave, and hey to the rest of you.

Hi guys, I'm a miller

No.
VOTE: RuiRui

I find it interesting that your reaction to the miller claim is a lot different than mine. I presume from your later comment that this is at least a semi-serious vote - is this sort of claim >rand scum in your experience?

[Egix96]

Yes, even though we're not even out of RVS, I flat out refuse to buy the miller claim.
My vast

one whole game's worth of

experience leads me to conclude that:
Probability of there being a miller being in the setup (AND Ruirui being the miller and coming clean) << Probability of scum claiming miller

Hmm okay. I think that, in addition, there's always a small chance it could be a meme claim (MU masons anyone?) so I'm not reading too deeply into it for the time being.

@Egix: why do you find Vork’s reaction “interesting?”

I found it strange that he immediately disbelieved it, whereas I didn't. Same as you, I've never played a game that had a Miller in it so I don't really know the best way to approach someone who claims that role.

[Egix96]

I don’t believe I’ve ever seen scum selfvote in RVS before. I tend to read it as NAI though, because I had a game a while ago that got really winded about the scemantics of said move, and in the end it’s just a ton of WIFOM until you have further info.

FWIW, in my first game on this site, my own scumbuddy self-voted in RVS. His vote didn't stay there for long though.
But to contrast, I have played at least one game where a town member self-voted at the start. IIRC he did it to try and bait people into voting him so he could call them scum
So yeah I can't say it's alignment-indicative either.

[Egix96]

Also there's my recently completed Jungle Republic game where I briefly voted myself in pregame, I just remembered.

pedit @Tchill: Spoiler alert, it was Almost50

Also Cowbells, you're not helping!

[Egix96]

Cowbells, I'm sorry if I'm being dumb and there's something I've missed, but I'm really not seeing what you're seeing re: Inferno being scum. I'm much more suspicious of the people who are voting him, Axe most so.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Axe

If you happen to have a spare pair of daycop goggles lying around, I'd be pleased to borrow them.

[Egix96]

So I guess it's time to start talking about my second read that I referenced way back...

I'm kind of leaning scum on Tchill at the moment.

Inferno is always the first lynch here. To be honest, the fact that the votes are so spread out and not piling up on Inferno is probably an indication that we're right too.

If you could go into more detail on this, that would be great. In my previous game with Tchill, he was scum and he didn't make it very far (iirc he was very lurky but that might have been due to RL stuff) and his play here doesn't resemble his play there at all imo.

[Egix96]

Is it standard for people to replace out when they start losing? Like, can we just hammer the slot?

- Not at all, from my experience. It's best not to discuss anyone's reasons for replacing out anyway. It's NAI.

- Why so impatient? We still have 12 days left until deadline. Why not use that time?

pedit @Dave: Erza as well.

[Egix96]

Town reading RC because he knows it'll bite him if inferno flips town IS NOT a good idea.

There's one thing that consistently makes players throw caution to the wind here and its ego. Yes I believe rc is egotistical enough as town to KNOW he's caught scum before page 5, truly believe it, then still be wrong about it.

This is very true. I'll make sure to give Cowbells the stinkeye if Inferno flips town.

Yeah that game literally shouldn't count in my meta lol. Got super busy it was an abysmal effort. Don't TR me just because I'm not lurking. If you want to use meta you need to actually go read a few of my games. Of course I don't use meta at all because I'm too lasy to do that.

Fair enough I guess. I'll admit, I'm also too lazy to ISO-dive people I haven't played with before - I find meta from games that I was actually in to be much more useful.

[Egix96]

This is very true. I'll make sure to give Cowbells the stinkeye if Inferno flips town.

What is your stance on Inferno?

I'm still leaning town on him. I'm not convinced that Inferno accusing Axe of being "biased" is a slip that spews him town - poor choice of terminology maybe, but I doubt that it's a scumslip.

Also his string of posts from 219 to 223 doesn't read to me like scum who's in anti-spew mode.

[Egix96]

Hi guys, the 1-shot bulletproof made me think that we had a vigilante, and Axe dying makes me think of that as a vigilante kill as well, it's possible that the mafia kill was stopped? That's especially pointed towards Vorkuta.

-snip-

Also, can I get everybody to give me an opinion on Jingle? Reads-wise, what do you guys think about him?

I will say that I am loyal to this idea. Axe would have been a questionable kill choice for the scum imo...

I don't have a read on Jingle yet, but I have no reason to dispute his recent claim.

As for reads that I do have... AORN the only thing I can say with confidence is that Skellen is town. When I have more time I'll have a go at sorting everyone else.

[Egix96]

I am also getting weird vibes from JP after reading their tone. It's so formal and calculated. It seems like every word is chosen specifically to be non-offensive and Helpful(tm) like a political speech instead of an actual read. It could be playstyle, but I wrote like that as scum my first game for those actual reasons. (I think they said it was their first game)

The actual content of his ISO seems fine to me though, based on a quick read. I would guess that that's just his natural writing style.

If I be honest though, I'm not yet sure if I want to include him in my towncore, so toDay is his chance to prove himself.

[Egix96]

I don't think it's RC fault he helped mislynch

Give RC town some consideration.

I kind of feel like you brushed past some points to write this. Who do you think is Mafia?

Jingle seems a little scummy right now.

I'm a little shaken up that both Axe and Tchill are town.

This feels like an OMGUS to me.

Neighborizer should neighborize me tonight please

Oh yeah RuiRui I forgot about this.

This is probably scum

If Jingle is scum, what does scum!Tmck gain from openly trying to get into a neighborhood that already has a mafia member in it?

VOTE: chennis

[Egix96]

Damn, I didn't mean for people to notice

that

until after my death. It's okay Jingle, I'm the dumb one here, not you. At least I can be more sure that Cowbells is town now.

[Egix96]

i think chennis could actually be wolf

i don't think tmck is

Same here

[Egix96]

I think Egix should claim nothing today and a protective role should target him, if possible

(Vedith upvote)

[Egix96]

NONE OF YOU!


chennisden(3)-Skellen, Jingle, Egix96
themilkcartonkid(3)-Vorkuta, chennisden, Inferno390
Vorkuta(1)-RuiRui
Skellen(1)-John Pierce Gantt
Egix96(1)-RadiantCowbells

Not voting: davesaz, themilkcartonkid

Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-25 22:00:00)

Quoting the vc to make sure I don't forget anyone

=Town core=
Egix
Skellen
Cowbells

=Town leans=
Inferno
Jingle

=Slight town==
TMCK
Rui

=PoE=
Vork
JP Gantt
davesaz
chennis

[Egix96]

how did I suddenly enter your town core

also that's not a bad readslist hm

Because you not noticing that I was crumbing seemed genuine.

[Egix96]

NONE OF YOU!


chennisden(3)-Skellen, Jingle, Egix96
themilkcartonkid(3)-Vorkuta, chennisden, Inferno390
Vorkuta(1)-RuiRui
Skellen(1)-John Pierce Gantt
Egix96(1)-RadiantCowbells

Not voting: davesaz, themilkcartonkid

Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-25 22:00:00)

Quoting the vc to make sure I don't forget anyone

=Town core=
Egix
Skellen
Cowbells

=Town leans=
Inferno
Jingle

=Slight town==
TMCK
Rui

=PoE=
Vork
JP Gantt
davesaz
chennis

Are any of your poes scummy or just poe

I think that chennis and dave are scummy, the rest is just poe.

[Egix96]

not jp?

Are you willing to go into more detail on why you think he's scum now?

[Egix96]

meh. tomorrow.

okie dokie then

[Egix96]

I guess I can't stop you from lynching chennis in favor of someone who is more sure scum huh

What is this supposed to mean?

Oh you’re voting Egix. Why is Egix likely scum again?

I think Cowbells was referring to Gantt there actually?

[Egix96]

There's moderate suspicion on chen/JP.
Chen suspects you and me.
RC suspects me.

And I somewhat suspect chennisden.
This completes the circle, I believe.

I think jpg is scum

I don't think he is Mafia, but I admit, I may be more than slightly biased with this opinion of mine.

@Last part:

Need to go somewhere rn, back later hopefully

[Egix96]

chennisden(4)-Jingle, Egix96, RuiRui, John Pierce Gantt
vorkuta(4)-Buki, tmck, rc, chen

Jingle~Buki
Egix~RC
TMCK~Rui
JPEG~Chen


Yeah, seems roughly equivalent.

What do the tildes mean? Scum pairings?

[Egix96]

Step 1: Print Avatars.
Step 2: Place Avatars in Backyard.
Step 3: Play Lawn Darts.
Step 4: Visit Hospital to have Darts Removed from your leg.
Step 5: Fight Assault Charges that occurred as a result from Lawn Darts Game.
Step 6: Return to ms.net, complain that you would have won the game for your team if RL hadn't gotten in the way.


Seems fairly straightforward to me.

You better not have stuck any darts in my Growlithe!

[Egix96]

Why not chennisden then?

I see JPG Vork rn.

Milk didnt help push my mislynch despite MANY MANY chances. That's part of the reason for the unvote.

I think it doesn't take that much to figure out that this reasoning is straight out of his rear end.

This post seems kind of scummy to me, because I thought what chenn was saying in 1325 was okay

Nah. If chennis is scum and tmck is town, chennis is trying to force-pocket tmck. If that makes sense.

[Egix96]

I disagree with buki about jp and chen not being scum partners. They absolutely could be.

same here

[Egix96]

I disagree with buki about jp and chen not being scum partners. They absolutely could be.

same here

Ok, I'm listening to this.

Why? Interactions or...?

Mostly gut at this point, I kinda think that JP Gantt's vote on chennis could have been a bus.

[Egix96]

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