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VOTE: gamma emerald

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Anarchy!

Let's break some windows cuz

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Haven't you heard we're voting for anarchy

No presidents needed here

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I'll admit there are probably better scumhunting strategies

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VOTE: demonlord keep those tiny hands away

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mod notes: the vote in post 5 was not counted!!!

Party pooper

Vive la revolution, overthrow the mod oppressor!

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light hopped off the wagon

note that down

I mean who doesn't vote to lynch donald trump

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I vote for DT, but not lynch him.

Xyzzy, is there any way for me to become a doublevoter just so I can reiterate my vote here

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This is just my natural reaction to trump fangirling don't blame me

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Hello everyone,
It appears that Gamma Emerald is getting wagonned. How fun.

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie
It's no more likely than not that her name can be blamed on wrackspurts.

the heck is a wrackspurt

Isn't that from Harry potter?

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Inb4 the entire scum team jumped onto Gamma for RVS luls.

>vedith and his reaction testing
>demonlords trumpy distraction technique

It's quite possible

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VOTE: Fuscosco

They feel really forced so far.

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

Can't work out if town omgus or scum omgus

Could be latter

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VOTE: fuscosco

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[quote="In post 66,

Can't work out if town omgus or scum omgus

Could be latter

How confident are you about this exactly?

I mean

Not confident enough to base a case off of, after 3 pages

But I think it's still pretty relevant

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this post quoted another post that referenced an ongoing game, so I removed the portion that quoted that post.

Is this even a comment on the correct game?

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[quote="In post 66,

Can't work out if town omgus or scum omgus

Could be latter

How confident are you about this exactly?

I mean

Not confident enough to base a case off of, after 3 pages

But I think it's still pretty relevant

What do you make of the vote fail in that sequence?

Typical RVS voting. Ngl I considered voting v the mod too

In any case certainly NAI

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He meant fucosco's non bold vote

I just realised that... I'm too tired for this

Again though... NAI but at the same time Why???? I feel like it makes fucosco's omgus more suspicious

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Like on it's own it's NAI but in context... hmm

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I removed a post that referenced an ongoing game and a portion of a post that quotes the first post.

Ty xyzzy <3

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This post is kind of weird

Can you elaborate?

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Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

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*like a derailment tactic

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Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

The reason I asked was because I can't follow the progression of "this could be town and this could be scum" then a vote. Like that's the definition of null and I know she said "I think it could be scum" but I don't really know how much confidence that's meant to convey and it altogether came across as non-comittal. Also I am literally voting the same person as light so why do you think I'm derailing the push that was exactly the same push as hers?

The reason it seems non-committal is because it's page 5 and I'm not gonna base a case off of one post on page 5 of a large theme. Perhaps I was too vague in my comment on that post but I meant it in the sense of "this is scummier than null, enough to warrant a pressure vote at least, but could realistically be something town would do at this stage.

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Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Because I hadn't really thought on a deeper level about the connection between the posts until dunn brought it up? Sometimes you don't really think about things until someone points them out

But your defensiveness to the suggestion is pretty suspicious

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I'll kill you tonight

Statistically, people who scumclaim in jest tend to be scum

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Thought we'd be out of rvs by now. Game is remarkably slow for a large.

I know right? It's quite refreshing. Anyway
VOTE: Vedith
Free towncred if anyone can spot the same glaring scumtell I saw.

I can see at least one: he seems pretty eager to get out of RVS by pushing

any

wagon. Plus calling ausuka town based on her posts so far seems like a marginal scum information tell considering that I see no reason to TR her at this point

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I'll kill you tonight

Statistically, people who scumclaim in jest tend to be scum

I refute this by saying I do this as any alignment.

Yes it can be done as any alignment but its considerably more likely in general to come from scum

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Then vote me?

Why? I'm voting fuscosco cos I have reasons to scumread them too.

But you know what? I'm fed up of people using this stupid move to shut down discussion so I'll bite

VOTE: vedith

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Maybe a speed lynch on Dave?

Speed so that we have less interactions to go off later, or just so you can see how the people now react to the suggestion? Has Dave done something terrible to deserve that?

Seems pretty eager not to have us discuss anything doesn't he

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I hope so.
We had a good thing going with a Gamma wagon but people wanted to stop that.
vOv

you mean the rvs wagon

Why not? The more people diddle daddle the less we get done.

because we want to lynch scum not anyone... but maybe you don't

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If we need a serious Wagon that isn't Gamma, currently liking Wilky, he seems like a chill dude, so until I got more information I'll just sheep this man to victory. Also recommended to Clementine to join me.

VOTE: Ausuka

I mean I SR ausuka too

But vedith is the scummier of the two at this point

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I see no reason to think the gamma wagon isn't scum pushed atm tho so...

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So aside from me who's Scum on the wagon?

Haven't seen anything from wisdom or davesaz that suggests they're better than nullread so far

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I see no reason to think the gamma wagon isn't scum pushed atm tho so...

There's more town than scum in the game

Balance of probability? Most likely there's one scum on that wagon (and it's vedith)

But the unusual attachment to it of vedith and wisdom raises eyebrows considering gamma's done... not much at all

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Why?

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I say we just get rid of Thomas now

We can all focus more properly when we don't have an arrogant jerk breathing down our necks.

I legit think town has a better chance of winning with him gone than with him here regardless of alignment

Anti-town motivation

Look for scum

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Can you tell me about your opinions on people besides DT?

Seconded for sabrina

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Elsa's ISO is so contentless it huts my eyes

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afaic it's still rvs tryhard

If you're 400 posts in and it's still RVS and you're not trying to bring the game out of RVS I seriously question your motivations

Let's kill Light.

Come at me bro

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Maria and orfrkhdjfcmxz look town motivated

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Stop saying it's rvs and scumreading people for "taking the game seriously"

I found the one sane man

Thank you

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Davesaz townlean. I had this same observation about fuscosco, and during my read through, I also had the same feeling where I felt like there were too many scummy people at this point in the game.

Mindmeld this

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If youre scumreading dunnstral pls tell me why

Same if youre townreading ausuka or fuscosco

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

Get more of a scum vibe here than on enigma. If u wanna change my mind make some real content

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Today's lynch options

elsa > enigma > anyone else

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imho fuscosco and vedith are the only other acceptable wagons

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You say as you jump to try and make me a horrible counter wagon for Enigma.

Care to give good reasons why I'm a more valuable lynch then Enigma?

Totally:

If we need a serious Wagon that isn't Gamma, currently liking Wilky, he seems like a chill dude, so until I got more information I'll just sheep this man to victory. Also recommended to Clementine to join me.

VOTE: Ausuka

This makes you seem like you don't care who we lynch

Enigma has 5 days left to give me something to actually town read them with, or get Wisdom or Dunn to do it.

Frankly I experienced Wisdom first hand and know his reads are pretty good even if he says them weirdly sometimes. Wilky got sidetracked with Sabrina so I'll reevaluate and decide then.

Clemency does not appear to be trying to be engaged.

In an unbalanced non-reviewed game, he's probably doing the same thing I'm doing. The real game starts day 2. If we lynch a scum today it's a happy coincidence. If we lynch a townie... Well that's normal and we look and see who on the wagon are freeloaders and question them throughly.

I'm just happy we have a decent lynch and not trying to do a Policy one.

This is the worst post of the game so far. You're asking me why you're a better lynch than enigma but your read on enigma is basically "they haven't given me anything to tr so they're as good a lynch as anyone". And if that's your logic we may as well lynch anyone... great if you're scum.
Your comments on clemency just dig you deeper, they make you seem (again) like you don't particularly care who we kill as long as its not you.

I'm just waiting for a claim, really. But in a Non-Reviewed game... It ain't going to do much to convince me.

Apparently so, you've clearly decided enigma's the easiest mislynch today and the one which has the least chance of backfiring on you tomorrow. He's nullscum independent of anything else, but your push on him is so anti-town it hurts

And yes, I'll admit there's not very much to go on rn but if I could pick out any player who's actions seem scum motivated it's you, moreso than enigma who's basically a nonentity

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...except you're not acting like you want to get shit done. Most of your ISO is contentless and you said yourself:

Clemency does not appear to be trying to be engaged.

In an unbalanced non-reviewed game, he's probably doing the same thing I'm doing. The real game starts day 2. If we lynch a scum today it's a happy coincidence.

And secondly, don't misrepresent my words. I didn't say Enigma's a mislynch (he's nullscum but considering how easy the wagon against him has been accepted I have little confidence he'll flip scum), I said it seems you already know he's gonna be a mislynch and you won't get any backlash from pushing him.

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i have no clue what the hype for enigma is, i havent read up

also, why elsa?

Once you've read up, tell us which of the two you'd rather lynch and why

I don't believe in compromise lynches so I won't be participating in one

Umm, you'd prefer no-lynch? Is there a point to this post other than throwing a buzzword?

Same question as above. Out of elsa and enigma who would you rather kill, and why?

I don't believe in compromise lynches so I won't be participating in one

Umm, you'd prefer no-lynch? Is there a point to this post other than throwing a buzzword?

Just letting you guys know in advance that your options this day phase are no lynch and Enigma. I stopped caring about this day phase when people started chipping away at my push instead of calling Enigma out for contentless posting, so I'm just quasi-prodging until day end.

I'm not jumping onto Enigma now. He's nullscum at best and Elsa's reaction to being pushed has been terrible. Elsa's been as contentless as enigma, so why other than that is enigma more scummy than elsa?

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Wait nvm I just saw your vote dave, no need to answer

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Happy cake day offklettersnndm

@Elsa: I didn't see that either

Who are you claiming neighbourhood with?

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*friendly neighbourhood

if I recall that's the same thing as mason?

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Ahkay UNVOTE: then

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Why?

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Lemme ISO chennis quickly before I sleep

Was gonna post intent but you make a good point

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chennis has said mostly obvious crap but that goes for several players in this game, including enigma

he replaced wilky? I'll have another look there

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ISOd wilky he seemed much of the same - relatively contentless

The wilky-sabrina crap was mutual and NAI, the ausuka read was no worse than any other at that stage and he's done nothing else. Odd that no one's pushed there bar sabrina

No better a lynch than enigma today imho

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Eh.

VOTE: chennisden

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I'm okay with either lynch, both are to the scum side of null but wisdoms case on this is better than that on enigma and I don't have the time to spend ages going over the two of them right now

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Eh. Looking over then chennis is the more explicitly scummy of the two

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UNVOTE:

Is today gonna turn into a de facto massclaim when everyone claims after getting speedwagonned?

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This is why claiming is such a bad idea ... lol

Lol

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It just occurred to me that a standard watcher is not the same as a tracker. We do not know which the Enigma meant to claim, if either standard role.

He quite explicitly claimed watcher? And said he could watch elsa tonight to see if she was roleblocked so that indicates the standard watcher ability?

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VOTE: ofrhz

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So every person we run up is going to claim something that makes us want to lynch someone else

Exactly what I meant about this turning into an inadvertent massclaim. The implications of which are probably not in our favour at this stage. We could run up ten players but then we're just giving scum the pick of which role they'd most like to get rid of

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UNVOTE:

Rereading makes me think they're nulltown

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I'm not sure what to go on rn. We've had two wagons on people who were solidly scummy (and a third on a nullscum) collapse after PR claims even though the chances are most if not all of us are PRs of some sort

And we have less than two days

:/

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Elsa - friendly neighbour (can confirm tonight, if does not - lynch tmrw?)

Enigma - watcher (scum watcher isn't unheard of but he can watch elsa and confirm/deny if Elsa claims being roleblocked. Was only nullscum in the first place)

Chennisden - vig (again, comfortable based on whether there's a second kill tonight. At the same time tho a realistic scum fakeclaim?)

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Ofrhz wagon doesn't excite me while the lsat 2 did

I don't even know why we're voting this one

I don't want to vote elsa either

We let Elsa confirm herself and if she can't we kill her tmrw

Atm I can see any reason to make me want to vote ofrjsj

I wasn't at all confident with the enigma wagon when it happened

Chennisden's vig claim could be fake but vig is also confirmable and scum vig seems wildly unlikely

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I townleaned her earlier based on pretty much mindmelding with what she was saying at that point

Lemme ISO

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How much mafia have you played Sabrina?

I'd say I've probably played about 50 games. Not including minis on epicmafia.

Interesting, your tone of voice and the way you play suggested otherwise to me. I'll take note of that.

Thought we'd be out of rvs by now. Game is remarkably slow for a large.

I know right? It's quite refreshing. Anyway
VOTE: Vedith
Free towncred if anyone can spot the same glaring scumtell I saw.

I can see at least one: he seems pretty eager to get out of RVS by pushing

any

wagon. Plus calling ausuka town based on her posts so far seems like a marginal scum information tell considering that I see no reason to TR her at this point

Hey look someone got it. Bingo! Vedith would not really care if we were in RVS or not as town. The way Ausuka is posting isn't really towny. It's pretty basic. Feels like Tmi~

Thought we'd be out of rvs by now. Game is remarkably slow for a large.

I know right? It's quite refreshing. Anyway
VOTE: Vedith
Free towncred if anyone can spot the same glaring scumtell I saw.

This was where I was TRing early on

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Done with her ISO

I don't think she's scum

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She was townie early on and even tho her tone isn't great I'm inclined to believe my initial inclination there

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His iso is meh

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You're meh

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Actually I digress you're townlean

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You dont sound like you have a better scumread so "meh" should be fine to lynch

Meh

VOTE: ofrhz

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You still haven't said what you think is awful about their ISO

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I feel like ofrhz's recent posts are kinda towny? Like it feels like they genuinely want to help town after their flip. There's probably scum in the claims so far but I'm not that interested in going there d1.

VOTE: Sabrina

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Agreed re ofrhz but I'm not sure abt voting sabrina

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Le sigh. i mean, she's no town read, but its a copout lynch

Ditto.

VOTE: Sabrina

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VOTE: davesaz

L-1

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Doesn't seem fair to kill a slot like this over others tbh.

At this point I'm resigned to not getting an ideal lynch, but at least this seems likely scummy

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Yh just hammer at this point

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UNVOTE:

Until you've caught up

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Top poster 20 minutes into joining the game

I am Locktown

Yeah, no.

Spamming =/= town. In fact, if it weren't for you replacing in and catching up, I'd say you'd be pretty scummy for trying this tactic.

You know what, fuck it, even for a replace in that spam seemed like you were trying to seem overly towny.

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VOTE: DoubtingThomas

scum

No. This is objectively bad play, but it's not

scummy

play. Sabrina is largely null, leaning towards scum because of her lack of actually doing anything but her DT push is NAI

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Tell us what your dinner was first before you conk out first.

redundancy

you don't need to say "first" twice

why

I joined mafia scum for one purpose.

TO CHANGE THE SITE'S META FROM PLAYING ANTI-TOWN ON PURPOSE FOR PERSONAL "META" REASONS THAT INCLUDES BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING:

- Not contributing
- Not answering questions
- Ignoring posts
- Self voting
- Talking about subbing out
- Etc

Get off your high horse and play mafia with me

hey, me too!

why aren't you voting the person who already self-voted

why is the self vote, at the beginning of rvs, justification on its own for a push?

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Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

what's the scum motivation for ofrhz to selfvote here?

What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

I don't know about you but I've self voted as town in rvs before

Its so NAI that the fact you've brought it up in multiple posts is weird

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What's the purpose of RVS, wisdom?

Questions like this are absolutely pointless

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Spoiler:

I'll tell you what reactions you get from a self-vote:

"why did you self-vote" (that's NAI)
"I don't like it when people self-vote" (also NAI)
"I'm glad they self-voted" (NAI)

Here's what stances you show on other people when you self vote:

None. Because you don't respond to anyone, you don't show willingness to vote anyone, you don't jump on a wagon that already has five people on it

Let's compare that to voting someone else:

There were five votes on GE this game, that's particularly interesting:

ofrhz votes someone on the GE wagon: this might be a legit serious stance
Possible reactions:
"do you not like the ge wagon, ofrhz?"
"what did that specific player do that the others didn't do?"
One of those players flips down the line and now all of a sudden it's a little easier to see why ofrhz might vote them in RVS - to get some possible distance in (weak, sure, but better than nothing)

Mafia is a game of reading people.
You read people by getting them to react to things
One good way to get people to interact with things is to threaten to lynch them if they don't
One good way to threaten to lynch people is to vote them
This is why we have RVS
In RVS no one has any reads on anyone
So we begin threatening to lynch everyone
We put our votes everywhere
We see what stances people are willing to take
We see how people are trying to play the game
Who has an agenda - people tehy dont necessarily want lynched no matter what
Who has no agenda - willing to look at anyone and definitely trying to figure out what's going on

By self-voting, you refuse all town motivations in RVS
It's a sign that you already know who's who and what's what, because there is no confusion, no need to push elsewhere to garnish reads

If this were posted in mafia discussion it would make an interesting talking point

Posted less than 48 hours before deadline when you're the primary wagon makes it seem like you're trying to avoid actually contributing

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I was kinda half-skimming the first couple pages of the game thread and Ausuka caught my eye, so I ISO'd her

Not a big fan

People that aren't Ausuka, talk to me about Ausuka

Ausuka, talk to me about your reads

Spoiler: Ausuka stuff

VOTE: Fuscosco

They feel really forced so far.

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

THIS feels forced.
In both directions.

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

The reason I asked was because I can't follow the progression of "this could be town and this could be scum" then a vote. Like that's the definition of null and I know she said "I think it could be scum" but I don't really know how much confidence that's meant to convey and it altogether came across as non-comittal. Also I am literally voting the same person as light so why do you think I'm derailing the push that was exactly the same push as hers?

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Actual OMGUS

Spoiler: Ausuka exclusively changing her vote almost every post in her ISO

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

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dt is less scummy now i guess because i like their dunnstral push.

i don't really know where to go now though.

VOTE: sabrina

i think that this needs more pressure: i feel her policy push on dt is clearly not working and as town she would either take a different angle to pushing DT or push somebody else. Right now she feels like scum who's satisfied with her current position of mostly flying under the radar and being ignored.

VOTE: elsa jay

I feel like ofrhz's recent posts are kinda towny? Like it feels like they genuinely want to help town after their flip. There's probably scum in the claims so far but I'm not that interested in going there d1.

VOTE: Sabrina

VOTE: Gemerald
i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game and hasn't really felt like she's been trying to solve. her most recent post says that xyzzy is a dunce for trying to replace her; even though she didn't post for 6 days. this implies that xyzzy should know for some other reason that she isn't flaking on this game and i think the most likely possibility for that is that she's still been somewhat active in the scum PT.

Meh I guess Gamma's more likely just being randomly abrasive than real scum. The argument doesn't really work anymore if Gamma can't post at all during that time.

VOTE: Sabrina I guess this still works for me more than anything else but there's no momentum here :/

Why specifically is ausuka changing her vote a lot early on scummy?

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Not interested in ausuka wagon either

Fascinating.

given the speed people are jumping on I'm actually losing interest myself.

talk about people voting Ausuka at this time, wilky, DT, EJ

This in contrast with your other ausuka posts

Makes your whole ausuka thing seem really distance-y

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Nice a day 1 associatives push

You don't need a flip to see that your interaction with ausuka seems strange, in a "why are you pushing ausuka but voting somewhere else" way

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Ahem.

I can sort Enter at a later day. Do not lynch him.

At this point I think he's obvscum

The weird push on ausuka and this weak ass tunnel against wisdom

Intent, claim please

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That's a scummy was claim

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Jk can be either and ascetic is usually scum

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You're wrong but go on

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So you think I'm scum regardless of the flip

Anything to back that up?

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I am proud \o/

Clearly.

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I like you as a person though Light. \o/

You too ved <3

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I'm vigging light

I'd really recommend you didn't

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Hardclaiming because I don't trust ankamius not to kill me tonight

I'm town inventor, I have a list of roles I can give out. I'm effectively six shot because I can only give out each shot once

They are vig, neighborizer, tracker, bodyguard, commuter, fruit vendor

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I just counted that was the hammer

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Enter was at L-1 when he said that

And yh I wouldn't claim

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that makes sabrina and ofhrz town prolly

yes
they're town

so is ausuka

don't lynch any of them

i don't care about sabrina

don't shoot ausuka or ofrhz pls

they're both town

Oooooo what about a maria vig

don't shoot maria either

she's town

definitely don't shoot maria

or do

don't read too much into what i'm saying

Lol

Remember these posts tmrw

Probably put at least one buddy in there

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Lol

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Fine with me, I wish I was dead every day

Mood

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V/LA due to family medical emergency. May not be about for a couple of days

I hope you like your gift wisdom

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Hey all. Sorry I've been away, give me ten minutes to catch up

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Chennisden is claimed vig correct?

Cos I got a mod pm that they targeted me last night

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thats true.

well then VOTE: chennisden

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but fine; real role coming:

I am Isabella (from Advance Wars: Days of Ruin), Town ???. I have a night action but didn't know what it does.

Light please tell me exactly how you know I targeted you. Is this part of a PR or is this my night action? Were you roleblocked? etc

Received a mod PM saying you performed an action on me. Didn't say what the action was

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light if youre here what did you send me
i didnt get anything

I sent you a vig shot

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To make it competely clear: I sent nobody fruit.

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They'll both be vigged tonight

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Honestly I believe the role but it could easily be scum

So it dies

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This claim doesn't exonerate chennis even if the role is true

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this claim is true; do you think i have the creativity to make this up?

I'm not saying its a fake claim

I'm saying it doesn't clear you as scum

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Chennisden

First of all, wtf just happened

Secondly, did you get the item I sent to wisdom last night

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What does light have available?

Gave the vig shot to wisdom N1, got blocked

Gave the commuter shot to wisdom last night, chennisden has confirmed they received it

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And to be completely clear the fruit vendor shot

turns the recipient into a 1-shot fruit vendor

, it is not a fruit vendor shot that I use to give someone fruit

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Up for massclaim

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light who do u scum read

Ofrhz, fuscosco probscum

Then one in maria, you

A scum in vedith/ankamius is possible but highly unlikely

Gamma also probtown

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Ninja'd. DT is up to probably scum

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how the fuck is not claiming my role even scummy

Refusing to claim with good reason would be understandable. Obstructing town because "I'm here to play mafia not to massclaim" is not.

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light which inventions do you still have?

Inventions I've used with their names;
Revolver with One Bullet Left Inside - 1-shot vig
Rusty Old Motorbike - 1-shot commuter

Inventions I still have:
Sunglasses - 1-shot bodyguard
My First Walkie Talkie Set - 1-shot neighbourizer
ProZoom Binoculars - 1-shot tracker
Apple - 1-shot fruit vendor

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ftr DT's hideous pushback against the massclaim is pretty strong evidence that he doesn't have a fakeclaim ready and his role is not claimable

Agreed.

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mmmmm

yeah, I'm fine with this

I give vig shot to Elsa
Ofrhz rolestops me
Elsa targets MariaR
Vedith targets MariaR
light gives bodyguard to Fuscosco
Fuscosco does not hide
Chen does chen things
gamma flakes out
mariar stays unlynchable

DT gets lynched

Willing to go with this

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

PEdit scum can definitely have a vig in this setup

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VOTE: fuscosco

L-1

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Put down DT, Swing on Light tomorrow. And Gammaslot after.

"Bus my buddy then lynch two townies for the win!"

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If DT is town then maria is scum

VOTE: MariaR

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Actually no VOTE: fuscosco

Maria should be the vig kill, that circumvents any chance of her avoiding dying

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How do we lose overnight if we lynch fuscosco?

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7:3

Lynch plus potentially 3 nightkills

But isn't the plan for elsa and vedith to both target the same person? They're both conftown (at least if chennisden is correct)

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Maria's push on chennis confirms her as desperate cornered scum. I still think a fuscosco lynch would have been better due to the lynchproof claim but eh at this point idrc either way

VOTE: MariaR

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I got a full clear on Fuscosco.

Mechanically must be a lie.

Elsa, DT and chennisden are mod-confirmed, + me = 4 town.

3 scum left, 3 players left, scum is {brassherald, fuscosco, ofrhz}

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Correction: chennisden is mod confirmed, elsa is confirmed by dunnstral's flip and DT is confirmed by chennis

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I got a full clear on Fuscosco.

Mechanically must be a lie.

Elsa, DT and chennisden are mod-confirmed, + me = 4 town.

3 scum left, 3 players left, scum is {brassherald, fuscosco, ofrhz}

This can't be right, I'm a loyal tracker, Fuscosco cannot be tracked unless he's town, then.

Don't believe it.

VOTE: brassherald

Already fullclaimed but I'll reiterate: town (effectively 6-shot) inventor.

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*Also, mechanically impossible

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I don't see how you're claiming a dunnstral flip clears Elsa.

I mean, Chen is confirmed town, DT is confirmed by Chen, I clear Fuscosco, so Elsa's the lie here.

Elsa was friendly neighbour who confirmed through dunnstral?

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Dude you've spewed yourself scum, even if I were lying you and fuscosco can't both be town

Thanks for outing yourself though

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Lol

In case it wasn't clear

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Vedith and DT are confirmed town. I haven't outed this to see wagons. I'd rather not share how I know just yet, but they are confirmed town.

We lynch Gamma and someone vigs Maria.

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Gave the bodyguard shot to anka last night btw

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Lol

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+ me

PoE fusc

I know I'm town. That plus three conftown = the other three of you must be scum

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Announcing?

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UNVOTE:

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2nd

we need to all full claim today. period.

i had hoped chenn would spill lights role, and I demand she do so, though of he wants light to claim it herself coolio

Light is an inventor, as she claims. She can only give stuff to

town

which heavily spews herself as town.

Ftfy

Chennisden is correct. I am the

Normal Review Group Town Inventor.

Would have preferred if chennis didn't out the loyal part as it inhibits me using my role as a investigative but ah well

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Welcome to the shitshow RAS. Why townreading fuscosco/brass?

Ofrhz is confscum where I'm standing so I'll hammer if there;s no objection

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Any suggestions for who to give an invention? Was planning to give elsa or chennis the tracker

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/scratch that. I'll give the tracker shot to a conftown or townread. Won't say who

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Stop. Hammertime.

VOTE: ofrhz

PEdit: Beat me to it

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Um, RAS

Friendly neighbour is not the same thing as neighbouriser

He's literally conftown

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From where I'm standing its got to be fuscosco/brassherald mechanically

And in the impossible situation ofrhz flips town then there really are bastard fake confirms and I'll accept the loss but I digress

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Who are your buddies ofr?

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Lol

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I don't mind seeing Elsa neighboured tbh. Highly unlikely she comes back guilty but if she does we're half way there

and living on a prayer

, if she comes back innocent that brings our PoE in tighter

I don't fully agree with the point RE brassherald. His entry seemed like a rushed, poorly thought out attempt to fake-inno his partner fuscosco, overlooking that elsa was conftown, and get a quick lynch on elsa or myself. I think its a scum fuck up precisely because his early posts + elsa vote came from the position of someone who didn't know elsa was conftown, so in his eyes the maths worked out (elsa + me + bus on ofrhz) and he couldn't go back on the claim later without confscumming himself and outing his partner in the process.

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I got a full clear on Fuscosco.

And this.

brassherald and fuscosco confirmed = impossible

brassherald explain in full how fuscosco is confirmed to you

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Until brass's confirm on fuscosco is explained VOTE: fuscosco

If it is confirmed then maria was right about fake confirms and I'll accept the inevitable town loss :/

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I should have known when I signed up there'd be some bullshit

But fake mod confirms?

Seriously?

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I am a loyal tracker. I tracked Fusc night 3 and goty fancy schmancy result. The issue is there are too many clears and I'm super confused.

UNVOTE:

Also before I forget

If anyone got an item from me last night can you claim it now

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chennisden is cleared by the mod
elsa is cleared by dunnstral
brassherald is cleared by chennisden
fuscosco is cleared by brassherald

I'm uncleared and have a town role PM

2 scum left

fucks sake

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Btw I got given fruit last night

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If you got an item from me last night claim it. If you didn't please announce so

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lol Its over for you light. You have the least amount of claims to town.

Dodging the question I see

I gave fuscosco the neighbourizer shot last night, which from the lack of a claim he obviously didn't receive.

At this point the logical thing from town's POV is to lynch me

At least don't say I didn't warn you after the flip

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VOTE: fuscosco because the failure to claim getting the invention confirms him from where I'm seeing

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@brassherald

are you 100% sure there's no way fuscosco could've gotten round your invest? because I effectively have a guilty now on him

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Please do a full roleclaim right now, and explain why anyone who's cleared as town is cleared as town.

Normal review group town inventor. Have a list of roles I can give out, cannot give to non-town aligned players. That fuscosco didn't receive her role last night suggests that she is scum.

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Being town when you mechanically can't be town is not fun

My solve is this: chennisden and brassherald won't be scum because of the neighbourhood mechanics
Therefore the fakes gotta be fuscosco and elsa jay

You're gonna lynch me and lose us the game anyway so I'm not sure why I'm bothering

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lol

well done to the scum team whichever two of you it is

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Congrats town

But I gotta salute Elsa for successfully convincing town he was confirmed for so long