Mini-Normal 2070 is done

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: RC because its 6 am

[themilkcartonkid]

This honestly doesn't seem like a real claim? It seems completely NAI, but I dont think inferno was just going through the motions of doubting a Miller claim, which us plus town for me

[themilkcartonkid]

However much this sounds like

I am

parroting Tchill. I was addressing RC and you made a similar comment above.

Aaaaaand back to nullscum

[themilkcartonkid]

However much this sounds like parroting Tchill, refusing to speak your mind when we’re all trying to sort and analyze just looks like you’re trying to look active without doing anything. Which does not earn you town-points. It’d be one thing if you were trying to get a reaction out of people. But right now you’re just calling attention to yourself and then not following up on it. Not great.

This is also not great

[themilkcartonkid]

It's page 3 and I think you're full of it RC. Being cryptic helps nobody and it becomes a personal solve vs trying to work with others. You do you though. I'm not a fan of the style.

This looks much better

[themilkcartonkid]

I’m confused by this question. How does people talking about ANYTHING early help figure out alignments other than by looking at how they respond? Isn’t that literally how you play this game?
And I actually analyze voting patterns and talking patterns. The miller claim itself is not what I would look at, but how people interacted with each other regarding it and what voting patterns emerged.

I was being specific about the whole miller situation. You saw the miller claim, and how people reacted to it already - either agreement or disagreement with the claim. Did you expect people to say other things than agreement/disagreement or the whole "miller claims at Day 1" theory?

(we lost a town game where this very thing happened)

I guess this explains Vorkuta's behavior.

At this point, NotAnAxeHole is close from being lynched, and if I understood correctly, for being a Canadian. Must be a rough life being a Canadian.

However much this sounds like parroting Tchill, refusing to speak your mind when we’re all trying to sort and analyze just looks like you’re trying to look active without doing anything. Which does not earn you town-points. It’d be one thing if you were trying to get a reaction out of people. But right now you’re just calling attention to yourself and then not following up on it. Not great.

I don't like this post, especially the "However much this sounds like parroting Tchill" part. It sounds like he is worried about his actions looking bad. I think town wouldn't care as much about what they say as long as they get their points accross?

Ok I see how it is
I called you out on your BS confscum claim and so you try to apply pressure to me
Lovely

When people have real reasons for calling me scum, let me know. I’ll be here waiting when they do.

Ah, the great "I'm not guilty; you have no proof."
This usually comes from guilty people.

VOTE: Inferno390

Lol

This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it

[themilkcartonkid]

This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it

Maybe it pinged for you because you viewed the whole post as an interaction when it really wasn't one?
Except for the first quote, they were just comments.

When someone quotes a post, that is an interaction. Axe interacted with you and either their interaction or your original response pinged me. Not sure yet why

[themilkcartonkid]

This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it

Maybe it pinged for you because you viewed the whole post as an interaction when it really wasn't one?
Except for the first quote, they were just comments.

Actually, no. This looks bad. Why did you jump to me accusing you of scum interaction?

[themilkcartonkid]

I think some people are just falling prey to the charisma. Also, I'm telling with your opinions, which means we definitely need to lynch you. I have a bad track record

[themilkcartonkid]

*gelling

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm fairly certain theres at least 1 scum between jp, rc, axe, and tchill. So that's great. If I had to vote one of them right now it would be axe, but I dont trust my read there because its influenced by tone and theres a few things that dont match up with my internal logic. I dont think inferno has absolutely screamed scum since their first few posts but they havent pkayed well as town either. I do think they over reacted to their push, but that's nai atm. Will probably influence my read later post someone flipping. Honestly, I dont get the push on tchill. Seems more actually annoyed town than inferno did and RC tred inferno for that. Jp I dunno.. again mostly tone plus have they actually brought anything other than parroting? If they were lurking that would be one thing, but they post a good bit. Vork, what have they said scummy, someone whose tring them, what do you find good about them?

[themilkcartonkid]

So many pedits

[themilkcartonkid]

Basically I was sick of games where there wasn't any strong momentum things to catch scum from and I decided to force one here.

I'm sad it led to multiple replace outs.

Honestly, I liked it. I did think stating your original case more clearly would have been a little better, but the replace out I dont think was your fault. Inferno butted heads with a few people

[themilkcartonkid]

Tchill what are all your reads?

Well I'm gonna fake every single explanation to you for my own purpose. So don't worry about it.

Be the change

[themilkcartonkid]

I think you're wrong on tchill

[themilkcartonkid]

And she was universally townread in the last scum game where I had locked her scum on the first couple of pages so I'm really about everyone townreading her.
My big concern with Tchill13 / Axehole was that they were masons deliberately playing scummy and that is luckily confirmed as not happening.

Rc, I am the king of triple guessing a townread, so I'm serious when I say if I keep agreeing her, she may need to be lynched. But I think shes actually contributing well rn

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, I would like to have infernos slot back, but I'm pretty confident with VOTE: axe
I this seems like they're trying not to respond on purpose

[themilkcartonkid]

Pedit. What is happening. These responses just dont make sense?

[themilkcartonkid]

This is so bad. I dont know if we should lynch this right now. Can we actually use the day and hammer at the end? I reaaaaaally want to see the replacements

[themilkcartonkid]

That moment you just scowl from the side line because you refuse to post vomit.

If anyone wants my input they'll have to direct a question towards me. Other than RC of course.

I have a question. Tchill. I'm not 100% sold on you as scum yet, buuuut do you think that axe is scum? Straightforward answer please

[themilkcartonkid]

Btw, if axe AND tchill flip scum, lynch rc immediately. It's like rc is actually telling them what to do

[themilkcartonkid]

Axehole is currently doing the most damage to town. Constantly calling me scum to fuel RC yet refusing to vote me. He's doing it on purpose obviously I just don't know what the purpose is.

I feel like I'm in one egotistical pissing contest. Axe's reasoning for calling me scum is similar to RC's I believe. Which means it's shit.

Congrats, you've convinced me.

[themilkcartonkid]

This game is fun, I needed this

[themilkcartonkid]

Inferno390 replaces back in effective once he posts.

Day made

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, nobody put axe at l-1, they will quickhammer. They've already self voted (before the cop claim btw)

[themilkcartonkid]

A cop that self voted

[themilkcartonkid]

I cant read minds so idk

[themilkcartonkid]

No, I get that he's all like RC godtier.

But the way he's being like RC godtier makes me think he's scared of you.

That and the fact that hes reaaaaaaally into why hes sred.

[themilkcartonkid]

Oh, cool, cause I checked the wiki and it appears to have changed.

hey milky, scale from 1 to 10, how likely are you to be lynched this game?

2 if axe is lynched 5 if not

[themilkcartonkid]

I may be stupid here, but isn't that just godfather?

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, lots more pedits etc.

[themilkcartonkid]

Oooooh ok

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm hard claiming VT

Why did you claim cop...?

Disengage

[themilkcartonkid]

Because I crumbed it.

QUIIIICK question.

Do you have """other/additional""" crumbs in your ISO that you planted/would've used if things went another way?

No. I don't fake claim hardly at all and when I fake claim I do not crumb. I'm certain if you ISOED every game I've played you wouldn't find a scum fake claim that involved a crumb.

...maybe you're getting better...

[themilkcartonkid]

Rc, why not axe?

[themilkcartonkid]

OK so RC and Vorkuta are absolutely determined to lynch me. That's fine. I need to know who's willing to at least listen to me.

Your flip will do a better job of convincing people you know. VOTE: tchill

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm inclined to vote for Axe because I don't see how faking a cop claim can help the town, whereas it's at least plausible in my eyes that tchill can be town (sorry)

this is why we lynch tchill and not axe. i don't trust you.

Yeah, I now agree with you on this

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, so we have a neighborizor, a Miller, an ascetic, and a vig. These are some fun assumptions. I do kind of see ruiruis point because scum killing axe makes 0 sense. That cop claim was I dont even know, plus the self vote and the VT at the end.

[themilkcartonkid]

I need to reread the thread because I was soooooo very certain of my crazy conspiracy that rc and jingle were running the game and using axe as their scum bus but wanted to wait until d2 to actually bus. It was based on the fact that they wouldn't let anyone vote axe who seemed waaaaay more scummy imo. But I'm like very lost.

[themilkcartonkid]

Vorkuta, have you ever played as mafia before? You mentioned only have 1 game of experience, but your join date was a while ago.

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, rereading the thread, only on p 8 but I can kiiiiinda see where RC actually developed his SR of Tchill and Axe if they were actual reads. I went in thinking I would not be able to read RC, but I think the concern that Tchill had for Axe plus axe's lack of communication pinged RC initially (#168-170). Why is this important? I think there is actually a case for town!RC which I did not think there would be. I thought it was a mostly random reactiontest with Tchill blowing up being the thing. But I think it was earlier.

I am also getting weird vibes from JP after reading their tone. It's so formal and calculated. It seems like every word is chosen specifically to be non-offensive and Helpful(tm) like a political speech instead of an actual read. It could be playstyle, but I wrote like that as scum my first game for those actual reasons. (I think they said it was their first game)

[themilkcartonkid]

Neighborizer should neighborize me tonight please

[themilkcartonkid]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[themilkcartonkid]

That was not a softclaim btw

[themilkcartonkid]

hey stop

[themilkcartonkid]

I would have said if I needed to

[themilkcartonkid]

This isn't a sologambit either

[themilkcartonkid]

I do have a question, why if we have an ascetic and at least 1 of a miller, vig, and neighborizer would prs need to share info?

[themilkcartonkid]

I didnt like chen either, but I wanted to wait until I was totally caught up (not there yet) I also feel like it's the most obvious/convenient and that always makes me feel gross

[themilkcartonkid]

There were two wagons that really dominated yesterday though, I dont think the other wagons even got a chance to breathe

[themilkcartonkid]

Yeah, I was considering axe and tchill as the same wagon

[themilkcartonkid]

That kind of level-0 thinking regarding the TMCK kill is if anything town-indicative.

Or, alternatively, the kill was partially intended to frame someone and Vork was planting the thought.

sincerely doubt scum would be so open about it and the fact that both of your scumreads are on the two players who have done the lynchbaitiest things while both being tonally town is not a good look for you here, jingle.

I agree, which is why I asked how many times they've played as scum. I think Newtown or even just town is likely to do this, but I think only newscum or very very experienced scum would be that open

[themilkcartonkid]

That being said, there's a lot of yesterday that is gross. So much budding of RC.

[themilkcartonkid]

@Jingle:

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

Scum can buddy and if you're a PR they can learn more about your plans and scum can counteract. From my experience it's a lot easier for scum to live in a neighborhood.

For my tmck read it makes me think he's scum even more

*Refutes own point and doesn't realize it*

[themilkcartonkid]

In normal situation, it would be correct.
However, the situation this time was different.
Axe was clearly lying about being a cop, and you were not the only person who voted him after his cop claim.
I found it weird that she decided to focus on you for that as well.

Fair point. Basically I agree with that. My assumption however was that scum would also like to get a PR lynched, particularly if he played as terrible as Axe did at the end of D1, so I was looking for noticable changes between the Axe and tchill wagons knowing that both were town. When Axe was with 5:3 in front, so an Axe lynch was more likely, Inferno was still on Axe as scum and tchill as frustrated and honest town. Later he was sold on scum!tchill after tchill also had roleclaimed and it was 4:4, but ultimately hesitated because of RC's gambit earlier. Since a cop would probabaly have for scum higher priority than an ascetic it looked to me like he was trying to have it both ways as long as possible, therefore I asked specifically Inferno.

I think I need to start playing the 4d chess that some of these reads are clearly playing

[themilkcartonkid]

Actually, all things equal, if there is not vig, I think the Miller claim would be real because the only reason why you would kill a cop claim as poor as axe would be if you genuinely though they could be cop. If there was a real Miller, then there will probably be some sort of an investigative role. They would have had to have a reason to believe axe I think. Maybe Miller is that reason. I'm not saying there is a cop, but I think there is a miller

[themilkcartonkid]

@RC what do you think about my logic?

[themilkcartonkid]

How does a neighborizer sort?
It doesn’t tell you anything about alignment. It just creates a PT for a couple of people.

Because it's hard enough to be consistent in 1 thread as scum, you are more likely to be inconsistent, to trip up, or to expose your own scum logic in two threads

[themilkcartonkid]

Chen:

As scum do you nightkill lynchbait who is pushing you?

Why does scum want to infiltrate the neighborhood?

Did you read:

Please let me know if you want to join me and a mysterious third person in partying hardy.

Does it effect your tmck read?

@Jingle:

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

Scum can buddy and if you're a PR they can learn more about your plans and scum can counteract. From my experience it's a lot easier for scum to live in a neighborhood.

For my tmck read it makes me think he's scum even more

Inferno, or whoever, what do yall think about this inconsistent logic, is it scum or town or total nai?

[themilkcartonkid]

Chenn is saying that he wouldn't kill lynchbait who was pushing him, but also said that themilkcartonkid is the only person who it makes sense to nightkill Axe.

This, this is the inconsistancy

[themilkcartonkid]

You are. He said "milk is doing this as scum" and when asked if that would make sense for him to do as scum he said "well... no because it would be stupid" that's the inconsistency

[themilkcartonkid]

What I'm asking is, do you think that inconsistency is scummy. I do, it sounds like hes trying to make an argument rather than make a read

[themilkcartonkid]

... how

[themilkcartonkid]

Actually, all things equal, if there is not vig, I think the Miller claim would be real because the only reason why you would kill a cop claim as poor as axe would be if you genuinely though they could be cop. If there was a real Miller, then there will probably be some sort of an investigative role. They would have had to have a reason to believe axe I think. Maybe Miller is that reason. I'm not saying there is a cop, but I think there is a miller

@RC what do you think about my logic?

I would still like RC to answer this

[themilkcartonkid]

Actually, all things equal, if there is not vig, I think the Miller claim would be real because the only reason why you would kill a cop claim as poor as axe would be if you genuinely though they could be cop. If there was a real Miller, then there will probably be some sort of an investigative role. They would have had to have a reason to believe axe I think. Maybe Miller is that reason. I'm not saying there is a cop, but I think there is a miller

@RC what do you think about my logic?

I would still like RC to answer this

My two cents is that this is bad logic because it assumes scum has info (the Miller claim is true) that they would be very unlikely to have. Now, scum can assume that the miller claim is true and be working off of, but that doesn’t mean by extension that the miller claim is true. It just means that there is probably scum who thinks that the miller claim is true and acted on it. Which was basically everyone as far as I could tell. Vork maybe not.

Why would town!ruirui fakeclaim miller?

[themilkcartonkid]

Inferno:

Logic Track 1:

Axe was pushing tmck. Axe was likely to be lynched. tmck is therefore the only person to have a reason to kill axe.

Logic Track 2:

If someone who is liable to be a mislynch is pushing me, I should not kill them, because keeping them around will help me stay alive.

These are implicitly contradictory. Either the premise is that scum milk is worse at picking NK's than scum chen or chen is pushing something he doesn't see scum doing as scummy.

The important question is whether the latter would come from town who is surface leveling the shit out of that read or scum making it up.

See the problem with this is the word “implicitly.” Chen said he would not shoot lynchbait at night if they were pushing them. Does that mean that no one would do it ever? No. Does that not mean that the line of thought of scum!milk makes sense? No.
Does this not look great for Chen? No. But it does not mean it is something Chen does not see scum doing. It just means it is something Chen would not do as scum. That is an important difference. And Axe did make a strong end post casing milk to finish out the day yesterday, which could be influencing how Chen views the situation.

Actually, all things equal, if there is not vig, I think the Miller claim would be real because the only reason why you would kill a cop claim as poor as axe would be if you genuinely though they could be cop. If there was a real Miller, then there will probably be some sort of an investigative role. They would have had to have a reason to believe axe I think. Maybe Miller is that reason. I'm not saying there is a cop, but I think there is a miller

@RC what do you think about my logic?

I would still like RC to answer this

My two cents is that this is bad logic because it assumes scum has info (the Miller claim is true) that they would be very unlikely to have. Now, scum can assume that the miller claim is true and be working off of, but that doesn’t mean by extension that the miller claim is true. It just means that there is probably scum who thinks that the miller claim is true and acted on it. Which was basically everyone as far as I could tell. Vork maybe not.

You're focusing on the possibilities here, take a step back and ask, what is more likely? There's a difference between not being able to decide, but youre looking at the least likely situation and going, yeah that makes sense i guess

[themilkcartonkid]

So what makes "scum wouldn't do that because its stupid" good logic here but not with chen?

[themilkcartonkid]

How is you!scum less likely or any less likely than Chen!scum?
And I didn’t say that I thought Rui was fakeclaiming. I for one believe the claim. So do you. But that doesn’t mean you aren’t assuming things based on things that don’t correlate. Just because the scum believe the miller claim is true does not mean that the miller claim is true. What makes the miller claim likely true is that scum claiming miller makes no sense.

Misunderstanding
Pedantic

[themilkcartonkid]

Am I just getting mad at nothing?

[themilkcartonkid]

NotAnAxehole and Tchill13 have been prodded.

Aaaahahaha

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: egix96

this is a pretty damn good vote right now.

Why?

[themilkcartonkid]

Eh, fuck lowkey reactions.

Egix crumbed loyal hard and I want to see if he dies tonight because of it.

one person was voting him

you did NOT need to out like that

Both me and my neighbor noticed it immediately. It was a sloppy crumb.

Dont add me to the neighborhood then...

[themilkcartonkid]

i'm not townreading you.

Talk to me about this because I think I agree, but I want to see why

[themilkcartonkid]

i'm literally a god of scumplay

Sure, but are you one of those Pansy gods like Eros or are you a badass god like Ares?

I like to think I'm a Janus myself.

Janis had two faces, scum is two faced. Jingle is scum confirmed

[themilkcartonkid]

NONE OF YOU!


chennisden(3)-Skellen, Jingle, Egix96
themilkcartonkid(3)-Vorkuta, chennisden, Inferno390
Vorkuta(1)-RuiRui
Skellen(1)-John Pierce Gantt
Egix96(1)-RadiantCowbells

Not voting: davesaz, themilkcartonkid

Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-25 22:00:00)

Quoting the vc to make sure I don't forget anyone

=Town core=
Egix
Skellen
Cowbells

=Town leans=
Inferno
Jingle

=Slight town==
TMCK
Rui

=PoE=
Vork
JP Gantt
davesaz
chennis

Are any of your poes scummy or just poe

[themilkcartonkid]

Eh, fuck lowkey reactions.

Egix crumbed loyal hard and I want to see if he dies tonight because of it.

one person was voting him

you did NOT need to out like that

Both me and my neighbor noticed it immediately. It was a sloppy crumb.

Dont add me to the neighborhood then...

What does this mean? Why does that line by Jingle make you say that?

I saw the crumb and wanted to share more privately.

[themilkcartonkid]

Thank you. If both you and the person I suspect will be the nk tonight are town I think this might be unwinnable for scum.

Okay, reading this in iso is +town for jingle I think

[themilkcartonkid]

Also funnily enough, even though the seal being wrong on both yesterday should have made my mafia read on Inferno stronger than yesterday, I'm just not feeling it today.
I think I did like his #955 and that's maybe why I don't feel strong on my Inferno read from Day 1.

This is very pingy. I dont necessarily think inferno is scum, but if jp flips scum then this is very clearly backpedaling from a bus gone wrong

[themilkcartonkid]

Hmm, if I count out everyone who I think are town even slightly, I get {Ruirui, davesaz, chennisden}, unless Skellen is actually not confirmed. I see no value in continuing with Skellen if they are softly confirmed however.

This is also a fairly safe pool, even with rui in it. If jp is scum, only 1 of these is scum and I think I know which.

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, the only thing that makes me hesitate about JP is the question mark thing with jingle. That seems like something someone without actual info would do. I'm feeling chen, inferno, jp as my associative team. If anyone flips town in that then screw all of that. But for vanity sake I'm calling it

[themilkcartonkid]

Here's the problem, chen is the most independently scummy so hes the one that logically should be lynched but also has the least strong associatives. Meaning if hes the lynch, that doesn't necessarily mean that JP and inferno are dead to rights. But jp is slightly scummy and could bring down more scum with him in his flip. Can someone confirm my thinking before I put chen at l-1? I want to start a wagon on JP, but idk if that would be optimal

[themilkcartonkid]

Slightly is the wrong world. JP is scummy, chen is more scummy

[themilkcartonkid]

Inferno, do you townread chennisden?

I do not. I am slightly leaning scum on him.

I checked Infernos iso because this post surprised me. Turns out they've been shading chen all day 2 with no reason stated and often argues in a way that says "yeah, ignore their scumminess" in favor of different lynches. also, this is +town for rui I think.

[themilkcartonkid]

@inferno why?

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm so happy that happened

[themilkcartonkid]

Inferno, do you townread chennisden?

I do not. I am slightly leaning scum on him.

I checked Infernos iso because this post surprised me. Turns out they've been shading chen all day 2 with no reason stated and often argues in a way that says "yeah, ignore their scumminess" in favor of different lynches. also, this is +town for rui I think.

I’m strongly put off by this post. I’ve literally been agreeing with you and Jingle that Chen’s posting is not great. That’s not shading. And I am not “ignoring their scumminess in favor of other lynches.” The only lynch I’ve pushed today is you. Which if I haven’t made clear, is because I think there is more merit for scum!milk than scum!Chen right now based on the narrative of the game so far. That’s very clearly not the same thing, and the fact that you would portay it as such is very much a misrep of today.

No it's not. You've been saying "look I know hes scummy, but here's where your logic might be flawed and heres where hes coming from. You're defending his slot and position while sharing him

[themilkcartonkid]

Shading

[themilkcartonkid]

That is not what I am doing at all. Saying that what you and Jingle are saying has validity to it is not the same as shading someone.
You are very clearly interpreting the facts and taking my posts out of context in such a way as to make what I’m saying look bad.

But like, I'm not.

[themilkcartonkid]

I reread the iso. Please somebody check me here. I think that Inferno's outrage in D1 is bad. They made no real reads apart from axe, which was a very duh read and seemed omgus. That being said, I can see where his read developed on my a little better and its not as bad as I thought. What does concern me is that his posts seem to be focusing purely on weird lines of what counts as good logic or not. Is that a skill thing or not I can't tell. Also "Saying that what you and Jingle are saying has validity to it is not the same as shading someone." is not the whole picture. What pinged me is the fact that you agree with the fact that chen is scummy, but IMMEDIATELY switch attention to someone else's wagon (mine). I don't care who's wagon it is, that seems scummy ESPECIALLY when two those two wagons are opposed. It seems to me like you're trying to keep chen distanced from yourself enough to say that you were "just pointing out my logical flaws" without actually having to lynch scummy logic. Please someone else read the iso and set me straight please.

[themilkcartonkid]

In fact, the only people you’ve pushed as scum are me and Chen in response to our reads on you, Axe and Tchill on the wagons, and Gantt and RC. And the RC one you’ve redacted. I don’t like the context of where those reads are coming from.

My reads are NOT based on your response to my wagon, nor chens. They're based on your lack of putting your vote where your scumread is and chen's lack of logic to his read. I don't think chen's read is real, and I don't know why you won't vote chen after admitting his logic is scummy. You were not even on my radar until I isod JP and it was his association that made me sr you. I thought you were tunneling town. It was only after I ISOd you for other associatives that I came to my conclusion. You are the one misrepping.
Pedit: please explain?

[themilkcartonkid]

Just because I agree with you that Chen’s play is poor does not mean I think he is scum.
And I agree with you that he is scummy, yet it suprised you that I had a scum lean on him?
There is so much flaily bad logic in what you are saying that it makes me hurt. You are just throwing words in an attempt to derail me atp.

It surprised me because you were tunneling me instead, THEN you said you agreed with me about him being scummy. BEFORE you just said you disagreed with his logic, NOW you're calling him scummy.

[themilkcartonkid]

Do you sr jingle?

[themilkcartonkid]

Can you please provide the post for where I called RC scum? Also, I have not called the original person who pointed out the nk scum and in fact dont think he is atm. You can say I've flailed, I cant really respond to that other than that i have tried to give logical responses to your post.

[themilkcartonkid]

I also like that you are calling me scummy for having no real reads other than Axe, but you more or less did the same thing D1 with Axe and Tchill.

You were a lot more active d1 than me, but that is a fair point.

[themilkcartonkid]

Do you sr seal?

[themilkcartonkid]

I guess I can't stop you from lynching chennis in favor of someone who is more sure scum huh

What do you think of my scumteam?

[themilkcartonkid]

=Town core=
Egix
Skellen
Cowbells

=Town leans=
Inferno
Jingle

=Slight town==
TMCK
Rui

=PoE=
Vork
JP Gantt
davesaz
chennis

Hm. I believe that lynching {Vork, img, dave, chen} probably nets exactly 2 scum, but am completely fine with focusing there today.

Well this wrecks what I thought was a tr

[themilkcartonkid]

It has to do with who I thought the neighborizer was, but I'd rather not go into it just in case I'm right

[themilkcartonkid]

I am a vanillager

Ok

[themilkcartonkid]

It's an entertaining game

[themilkcartonkid]

I think I've found the scum. But you should read before I tell you. There are a few major 1v1s . We also have a couple of people I know are good enough to be scared of my townreads on them. Also, we have a lot of possibly conflicting claims

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, you might be conftown by one of those claims

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, 2veveryone

[themilkcartonkid]

I fail to see how this game has become me and Chen vs. the world.
Unless there is a back and forth I have significantly missed.

I meant d1

[themilkcartonkid]

Guys, I was talking about tchill and axe

[themilkcartonkid]

I think jpg is scum

Have you Isod jp again looking at chen and inferno assiciatives?

[themilkcartonkid]

You can skip a lot of d1 until later bc it was a lot.

[themilkcartonkid]

I think the begining was important, but after the reaction test it gets rough

[themilkcartonkid]

it gets rough

Oh, you poor, poor, naive guitar. If you think this is a rough read I shudder to see you in a toxic game.

No, it just gets dumb, not toxic

[themilkcartonkid]

It's an entertaining game

Hm, this username...

I think I did read your first newbie game, I don't remember your alignment to be honest but I remember you being reasonably good huh

I'll be reading from the start but what is the game state in your pov right now?

My first game I was not good, so probably someone else

[themilkcartonkid]

Like I said before, the associatives fall apart. I would feel better about inferno and I would reconsider chen, but idk I still think hes scummy. I would also put my tin hat back on because I have some THEORIES

[themilkcartonkid]

How about no because I dont want to be convinced of my theories yet

[themilkcartonkid]

At least hes consistent

[themilkcartonkid]

Aw I was enjoying it

[themilkcartonkid]

Remember vork is newscum of hws scum (apparently never played scum before. Also remember that this is apparently jp's first game. I think either or both fit the circumstances. I think I agree with you buki. I have a few hesitations to address later. But for now I'm good with a vork lynch VOTE: vork

[themilkcartonkid]

I feel like I'm missing

something

. the easy answers don't feel right.

There is probably a deepwolf, but I think the massclaim will help with that.

You don't feel Vork lynch? Why?

My deep wolf of choice is jingle

[themilkcartonkid]

My ideal scumteam is vork, jpg, chen but my realistic scumteam is <Dave, jingle, rc>, vork <Dave, chen, jpg> Dave honestly just being unsortable with lurkiness

[themilkcartonkid]

A few things I'll post tomorrow, but iiii dont think they're going to be lynched anything but last

[themilkcartonkid]

I have something really spicy pls don't vote anyone any more than they've already been voted

Until when?

[themilkcartonkid]

Why not chennisden then?

I see JPG Vork rn.

Milk didnt help push my mislynch despite MANY MANY chances. That's part of the reason for the unvote.

I think it doesn't take that much to figure out that this reasoning is straight out of his rear end.

This post seems kind of scummy to me, because I thought what chenn was saying in 1325 was okay

Nah. If chennis is scum and tmck is town, chennis is trying to force-pocket tmck. If that makes sense.

I mean jp no offense, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't thinking of this on his first game. I disagree with buki about jp and chen not being scum partners. They absolutely could be.

[themilkcartonkid]

chennisden(4)-Jingle, Egix96, RuiRui, John Pierce Gantt
vorkuta(4)-Buki, tmck, rc, chen

Jingle~Buki
Egix~RC
TMCK~Rui
JPEG~Chen


Yeah, seems roughly equivalent.

What do the tildes mean? Scum pairings?

Equivalent scumminess or towniness. I very disagree with him

[themilkcartonkid]

I mean jp no offense, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't thinking of this on his first game.

You underestimate me then.

No, I think you misunderstood. You may think hes making it up, but I dont think you thought he was trying to pocket me. I think you though he was trying to get off a town lynch that wasn't going through

[themilkcartonkid]

Not only that it was a blatant flattering, but also he chose something that should actually scumread you with.
Like, someone is calling someone the highest chance of being a Mafia and yet that person never even placed a vote on him. I would not see that as town, and I don't think it'd be just me either.

There are different playing styles, but I'm going to have to think about this. This is actually very towny logic.

[themilkcartonkid]

And considering that his reads turned 180 degrees to me and Vork, who were just recently gotten in bigger heat (resulting in him being in lesser heat), I don't see that as town move in any way.

I do agree with you, it's just a matter of whether you have actual logic behind your read or you're able to see his scumplay better because you're bussing.

[themilkcartonkid]

Rc, why the hesitation? You weren't paranoid yesterday? Why are you today and who exactly are you scared of

[themilkcartonkid]

Also the "hindsight" of seeing that milk had a bad scumpool on 318 was because tchill and axe flipped. There were reasons to suspect tchill and axe scum

The only really bad thing in that scumpool was RC.

I'm pinning this for after chen flip so I dont forget

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm going to say claim before hammer. Will hammer by tomorrow.

[themilkcartonkid]

? Thought you were

[themilkcartonkid]

Oooooh, the jingle unvote. Wanna claim?

[themilkcartonkid]

Pretty sure I'm voting vork

you're right, I just missed it at the end of the line.

[themilkcartonkid]

Its tone for me

[themilkcartonkid]

Plus associatives I've pointed out before

[themilkcartonkid]

To be honest sometimes I feel like the game seems too easy with this solve

but I've like, already given up in lots of scum because they seemed "lynchbait"

don't want to ever do that again

This may help... hold on

[themilkcartonkid]

Is there anyone that DOES NOT think that Vorkutta is scum?

[themilkcartonkid]

Reply to that regardless of vote

[themilkcartonkid]

I think it’s a possiblity.
That’s a very poorly worded question. Do we think that Vork is town? Do we think Vork is possibly scum? Do we think that Vork is likely scum?
What exactly are you asking here?

Fair, let's go with probably/likely

[themilkcartonkid]

Then I think a cork flip is needed. If town, then jp has another strike. I dont know though, I feel like were being talked out of a good lynch

[themilkcartonkid]

Fairly certain theres deepscum plus two newbscum

[themilkcartonkid]

Just ignore it I think. You've played well. Idk what is going on with rc

[themilkcartonkid]

Should I go ahead and claim before inferno or... also, mafia is fake claiming something

[themilkcartonkid]

I think the neighborizer needs to claim. It would confirm jingle. This is especially important today. I actually feel very conftown on vork rn because if jp is fake claiming, then RC has to be in on it. Scum team is either jingle and neighborizer, rc and jp, or two of rui dave inferno or fumuki minus the neighborizer. I'm going ahead and claiming vt. I know who I sus as the neighborizer but I want them or jingle to claim it. I think the vig is plausible bc of bulletproof, cop is plausible because of Miller, but I dont know how jk would affect those plausibilities. I dont know entirely if I believe Miller. But the reason someone is fake claiming is that there are not enough vt claims for there to be scum there. I'm assuming the neighborizer will/has claimed vt.

[themilkcartonkid]

Neighbourizer claims today -> if there`s only two real town PRs left like I think, scum can roleblock one and kill the other if they have roleblocker

I don`t think trying to rush this is going to do anything good. Those claims will sort themselves out and as long as we no lynch today, if at least 2 of our PR claims have been truthful, I think it`s already a town win anyway.

I dont think you read what I said... we have won this game if the neighborizer claims. We have all possible scumteams. The kill gives us which of those scumteams it is

[themilkcartonkid]

(Jp, rc) or (jingle, neighborizer claim) or two out of (rui, dave, inferno, fukumi) and you can take one of those out (the one that claims neighborizer) if we lynch within (rc and jingle) then it takes out one of those teams, either we hit scum or we eliminate a possibility. Prs do their thing tonight. Scum probably kills vork tonight to not give info, which would leave the other pr to either have vigged (very visible), neighborized (confirmable by second player) or investigated (confirmed if we lynch rc today). As long as vig and neighborizer target someone in the other scumpools, we have enough info to determine the team. Even if ONE of the prs is roleblocked

[themilkcartonkid]

Neighbourizer claims today -> if there`s only two real town PRs left like I think, scum can roleblock one and kill the other if they have roleblocker

I don`t think trying to rush this is going to do anything good. Those claims will sort themselves out and as long as we no lynch today, if at least 2 of our PR claims have been truthful, I think it`s already a town win anyway.

I dont think you read what I said... we have won this game if the neighborizer claims. We have all possible scumteams. The kill gives us which of those scumteams it is

What try to solve this by associatives when you can do the complete job and solve mechanically? This kind of makes no sense?

You

think

that those are the teams, but you don`t really know. If the neighbourizer claims today, supposing it`s a real claim, they won`t really be able to trust his results tomorrow, because if he is roleblocked it`s going to show up as a guilty and we would have wasted one investigative shot and can maybe even end up mislynching someone and later the supposedly neighbourizer all because we tried to force the claim today.

There`s no need to confirm Jingle, Vork or RC today. As long as we let the claims solve itself, I think it`s a guaranteed town win as long as we have 2 PRs.

If we do it your way, things can get screwed pretty badly.

I don`t think there is

any

reason to rush today, it`s like, straight -ev town.

If the neighborizer is blocked then the cop or vig gets a result. You have no actual plan for letting things resolve tomorrow. And yes, I DO know that those have to be the teams. It's a very simple zebra puzzle

[themilkcartonkid]

2-shot Loyal Vigilant

Loyal? Doesn't that mean "can only target your own alignment"? Who in their right mind would shoot anyone their own alignment?
This can't be real.

It's an investigative

[themilkcartonkid]

(Jp, rc) or (jingle, neighborizer claim) or two out of (rui, dave, inferno, fukumi) and you can take one of those out (the one that claims neighborizer) if we lynch within (rc and jingle) then it takes out one of those teams, either we hit scum or we eliminate a possibility. Prs do their thing tonight. Scum probably kills vork tonight to not give info, which would leave the other pr to either have vigged (very visible), neighborized (confirmable by second player) or investigated (confirmed if we lynch rc today). As long as vig and neighborizer target someone in the other scumpools, we have enough info to determine the team. Even if ONE of the prs is roleblocked

I don`t even think that JPG/RC and Jingle/Neighbourizer are likely teams.

With all due respect but...why the hell do you want to try to solve it so half-assedly when we can do a better mechanical job?

You`re saying for us to lynch within (RC and Jingle), when at least one of them is probably conftown if we let the claims resolve itself, and saying for the supposed neighbourizer to claim today when they can get roleblocked tonight and end up with a

false positive

instead of a more sure guilty or clear.

Lynching either Jingle or RC doesn`t really confirm the neighbourizer or the cop. That`s all speculation of your part. The claims confirm themselves by you letting us resolve ourselves since I don`t think scum can afford to let the PRs alive.

If they try to WIFOM, we simply get more results for later and can even lynch inside the PRs to confirm which of the results is real later.

If the two probably scum are fakeclaiming -> By lynching inside the PRs we kill both anyway

If there`s at least 2 town PRs -> game solved mechanically

I don`t think your idea is any good MCK. No lynch today to let claims resolve itself and be sure that it`s improbable for the supposedly neighbourizer to be roleblocked, is the best play here always in my opinion.

You are wrong. Rc flipping town confirms cop because RC does not fall for a fake copclaim as town. Jingle flipping town means there IS a neighborizer that jingle has reason to think of as town. If ANY of the prs die tonight then the game is auto solved because of these groups that HAVE to be. Scum has backed themselves into a corner

[themilkcartonkid]

The reason I want the neighborizer to claim is because jingle could be hiding behind a fake neighborizer claim. I want to pin him down to exactly 1 person who confirms it themselves. This would narrow down groups and pin scum. It's like you're assuming your claim isn't true here

[themilkcartonkid]

JP wait on whatever you're about to do please

[themilkcartonkid]

You are wrong. Rc flipping town confirms cop because RC does not fall for a fake copclaim as town. Jingle flipping town means there IS a neighborizer that jingle has reason to think of as town. If ANY of the prs die tonight then the game is auto solved because of these groups that HAVE to be. Scum has backed themselves into a corner

You`re basically saying that the cop would be confirmed because RC can`t be ever be wrong?

Also jingle flipping town confirms that there is a neighbourizer but doesn`t confirm that said neighbourizer is town.

To confirm the PRs by flipping two people from which one is already probably conftown, is kind of a fallacy. Especially with your reasons imo.

We confirm the PRs by letting the claims resolve themselves. There is virtually no way scum can escape that, while your logical fallacies can just be wrong.

You dont actually know what a fallacy is do you?

[themilkcartonkid]

"Let prs sort resolve themselves" but no actual plan for it. We need to lynch rc, confirm or deny cop. If cop is confirmed, We will then have two investigative to confirm the other groups, one of which will be confirmed. The other investigative will obviously claim the other is scum, but all of them are actually confirmable. You. Are. Wrong.
Pedit. You are biasing yourself. Solve. The. Puzzle.

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay wait, I'm wrong. Okay I need someone else to look at this besides you or me

[themilkcartonkid]

My plan is not a fallacy, the logic is valid assuming true promises. I dont think rc cant be wrong. I'm saying RC doesn't believe jp without reason. I'm saying jp doesn't do that without rc. I think the cop is the most likely to be scum based on this. But the big problem is that I think rC is the ONLY one that CAN be partners with jp

[themilkcartonkid]

Sure whatever

[themilkcartonkid]

MCK, I`m not going to keep 1v1 for this. You`re so painfully wrong in my pov that I already think you might be simply scum and I especially don`t have patience today since I`m with a huge headache.

But if we people agree to follow your plan, and we get screwed later because there is a huge probability that we will that way, I`m for sure vigging/lynching you.

It`s not hard to understand that it`s a

very bad plan.

Look, I already think I'm wrong for two reasons. Someone else needs to read this
Unfortunately for me, one of the three people that I think are actually going to be able to think this through is for sure scum

[themilkcartonkid]

I just read your logic Milk
It doesn’t work
You’re assuming too much
RC flip does not confirm Gantt
Jingle flip doesn’t confirm neighborizer.

Those are not the reasons I'm wrong

[themilkcartonkid]

My scum teams are right. I'm flexible with the plan

[themilkcartonkid]

Seriously? There are not enough unconfirmed vt claims for there to be scum there

[themilkcartonkid]

Here are the totally unconfirmed VT claims: me, dave, and I'm assuming inferno.
Here are soft confirmed VT claims: RC, vork, jingle
Here are the PR claims: Rui, Fumuki, JP, (neighborizer)
If all the claims are true, softconfirmed becomes actual confirmed. If my assumption about neighborizer is true, the claims cannot be true (that was the way I could be wrong btw).

[themilkcartonkid]

Jingle, a dave lynch is better, but I'm okay with being lynched IF you can explain to me what info you would get that you don't already have and can show me how we have 100% won this mechanically.

[themilkcartonkid]

FUMUKI WHEN THERE ARE THREE CONFIRMABLE INVESTIGATIVES WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO GOT ROLEBLOCKED PLS

[themilkcartonkid]

Fumuki, if you can explain, step by step, your plan to "let prs figure themselves out" then I might try to listen, but you can't just claim a mechanical victory without a plan when you can't understand a zebra puzzle

[themilkcartonkid]

Day 4 5:2 - False guilty due to a scum roleblocker/rolestopper/doctor
- mislynch
- nk or in PR or in conf town
This doesn't happen. We're not idiots. we treat the pr as only a way to clear as town and not as a way to "catch scum" BUT the OTHER prs can give us EXTRA info that can help us make a decision.
Day 5 3:2 - Since the guilty seemed `false` due to scum PRs, we would try to lynch whoever got the false guilty that scum planned
- mislynch
Only idiots would assume this.

[themilkcartonkid]

This doesn't happen. We're not idiots. we treat the pr as only a way to clear as town and not as a way to "catch scum" BUT the OTHER prs can give us EXTRA info that can help us make a decision.

From a town pov:

You know that out of the three PRs, only two are probably true at most right?

Then that means that scum can nightkill one PR today in [Fumuki, JPG, Neighbourizer] and mess up with the other one.

That means that only the scum that is fake claiming would get any `results`.

There would be no reliable result whatsoever.

Do you guys understand now? Because I`m 2/3 of giving up.

This was the other way I was wrong. I don't think neighbor should out today. But a no lynch is wrong here. They would be leashed either way. Have jingle pick the lynch from rui, dave, me, or inferno and then neighborizer is still hidden.

Let's just lynch Davesaz for lurking

I like dave too, but on the off chance they are neighborizer, let jingle pick

[themilkcartonkid]

I think you should shoot rui, but you need to listen to jingle at this point. I didnt have the piece of info that jingle was sus of his partner

[themilkcartonkid]

Um jp no

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, if I`m understand right, I would be holstering the vig tonight and using it tomorrow?

Holstering forever, probably.

How will I get conftown if we do that?

No, what no, kill rui

[themilkcartonkid]

We have three unconfirmed vt claims and an unconfirmed Miller claim. Vig Miller investigate two vt, lynch third vt. If claim is fake figure it out

[themilkcartonkid]

Uuuuugh

[themilkcartonkid]

It's like inferno dave FOR SURE then

[themilkcartonkid]

I`m not sure I trust Jingle anymore.

I thought that Inferno was the neighbourizer since Erza was defending him

Yes, I did too

[themilkcartonkid]

But I trust jingle okay because they're forced into losing if theyre scum

[themilkcartonkid]

Shoot (me, inferno) lynch dave tomorrow or follow jingles plan, we win I think

[themilkcartonkid]

Today not tomorrow

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm sad that jp repped out. I liked playing with him once I got past his weird tone. Hope it's not site wide. I think theres no point in arguing, but I think inferno should check in. I'm also weirded out that vork hasnt talked yet

[themilkcartonkid]

Where is the vote on dave at?

[themilkcartonkid]

He had the makings of a good player with his logic and tone combo

[themilkcartonkid]

Intent to hammer after inferno says hi

[themilkcartonkid]

pls claim

[themilkcartonkid]

Thank you

[themilkcartonkid]

IT TOOK A SECOND TO REMMEBER THAT COPPER 2 WAS AN ISOTOPE

It's an oxidation state

[themilkcartonkid]

Good joke

[themilkcartonkid]

geography isn't a science

Next you'll tell me astrology didnt get us to the moon

[themilkcartonkid]

He was backup right?

[themilkcartonkid]

What is happening

[themilkcartonkid]

Just lynch inferno, kill me, lynch dave and done

[themilkcartonkid]

Dont we need big conftown to autowin?

[themilkcartonkid]

I`m not a gamethrower.

We lynch Inferno today.

I target you tonight

We lynch Davez or Ruirui tomorrow.

and I target MCK tomorrow night, and get possibly a guilty.

We lynch the guilty and yay.

1) your slot claimed only one remaining vig. now you're claiming to have 2.
2) you're scum.

[themilkcartonkid]

I think everyone should unvote and we lynch someone after 24 hours. It will probably be fumuki because of a few scumslips I noticed but actually I think fumuki might be trying to take the lynch so that roleblocker can survive to confuse things.

[themilkcartonkid]

Am I literally the only one who is incredibly amused by the gamestate?

That's... probably not a good sign for my personality, tbh.

We should play more games together jingle, I enjoy it too

[themilkcartonkid]

... jingle has been neighborized

[themilkcartonkid]

Vork claimed PR, so we have our secret VorkPR too.

When did this happen?

[themilkcartonkid]

I kinda just stopped paying attention to him after the inno.

Same

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm so glad you're here gif

[themilkcartonkid]

That also makes the sheeping make sense

[themilkcartonkid]

I need to reread this game

[themilkcartonkid]

eh, he ate a ban for listening to momo. I feel like any further insult is just kicking him when he's down.

he also ate a ban for, as scum, saying in a scum PT that he wasn't sure he could towntell enough to stay alive so he decided to fake a rage replace to try to convince everyone his replacement was town

I was in that game... it was so infuriating after

[themilkcartonkid]

Ok for real because I think we can out this now.

Me and RC are actually masons, with me being even night mason cop.
Apparently in the mason PT JPG wanted to start crumbing masonry Day 2 (and so he did) but RC flipped out because it looked too obvious and he decided to "bus" poor JPG.

So that mason claim huh...

[themilkcartonkid]

The only thing we need to avoid is lynching me and then also lynching Fumuki. If Fumuki's kill fails tomorrow, and you guys lynch me, can I trust that we won't then turn on Fumuki? Or is that not necessary

this is not a good look

[themilkcartonkid]

If inferno, dave, or I flip town, AND we have another PR, it would make sense for at least 1 pr to be lying. It might also make sense for two to. If they're you two (most likely) then this looks bad. Also, we ran into that thing I worried about. IF dave is actually town, someone is lying.

[themilkcartonkid]

Just to get this out there:
Tchill- BP Ascetic
Egix- Loyal JK
Axe- VT
_______
GiF - Mason Cop
RC - Mason
Vork- ???
Rui- Miller Neighborizer
Jingle- Neighbor VT
Fumuki - Loyal vig
Dave- VT
Milk- VT
Inferno- unclaimed still ???

Someone is lying unless it's inferno and dave