Just don't call me JPG because I am a real life human being, not some pixelated piece of art.
With that said.
Hmm, this awfully sounds like you were just testing the water.In post 19, Inferno390 wrote:@JP: That was a throwaway vote to get into the RVS and the game. I had some stuff to do this morning, so I didn’t really have time to think about what was going on in-game and analyze the game state. I saw that there was a miller claim and it threw me a little, but I didn’t want to comment on it and start doing analysis that would push out if RVS until I had gotten a chance to look at everyone’s response to it.
I was being specific about the whole miller situation. You saw the miller claim, and how people reacted to it already - either agreement or disagreement with the claim. Did you expect people to say other things than agreement/disagreement or the whole "miller claims at Day 1" theory?In post 31, Inferno390 wrote:I’m confused by this question. How does people talking about ANYTHING early help figure out alignments other than by looking at how they respond? Isn’t that literally how you play this game?
And I actually analyze voting patterns and talking patterns. The miller claim itself is not what I would look at, but how people interacted with each other regarding it and what voting patterns emerged.
I guess this explains Vorkuta's behavior.In post 45, Vorkuta wrote:(we lost a town game where this very thing happened)
I don't like this post, especially the "However much this sounds like parroting Tchill" part. It sounds like he is worried about his actions looking bad. I think town wouldn't care as much about what they say as long as they get their points accross?In post 64, Inferno390 wrote:However much this sounds like parroting Tchill, refusing to speak your mind when we’re all trying to sort and analyze just looks like you’re trying to look active without doing anything. Which does not earn you town-points. It’d be one thing if you were trying to get a reaction out of people. But right now you’re just calling attention to yourself and then not following up on it. Not great.
Ah, the great "I'm not guilty; you have no proof."In post 80, Inferno390 wrote:Ok I see how it is
I called you out on your BS confscum claim and so you try to apply pressure to me
Lovely
When people have real reasons for calling me scum, let me know. I’ll be here waiting when they do.
I was asking you how would looking at people's opinion about the miller claim help you with sorting people, when the discussion is going to be all about theories, which doesn't give out people's alignments.In post 87, Inferno390 wrote:1) see, this is where I’m confused. I said in my very first response to you that I hadn’t address the miller claim yet because I hadn’t gotten the chance to read what everyone else had said in response to it. In case you missed it, there are a wide number of opinions right now as to whether it was true or not and/or why. What did I do wrong here?
In post 141, Tchill13 wrote:Other than RC I don't think anyone has a VALID reason.
It's not about the wording though. It's the fact that you had to say something about your action looking like parroting.In post 87, Inferno390 wrote:2) Tchill just literally posted the same thing that my above post did, but in less words. I was recognizing that fact. I would understand if I had said “I don’t want to parrot people, but...”. That’s not what I did. If I was so worried about parroting people. I wouldn’t have said it at all?
And this time it's about the wording. I think town would have worded what you said differently other than being overly cheeky about it.In post 87, Inferno390 wrote:3) This is a misrep of the situation. I called RC out on being vague and unhelpful play. He responds with quipped remark and what amounts to an OMGUS vote. Axe jumps on the wagon with nothing more than “Oh, RC is correct.” It’s not a matter of proof, it’s a matter of people trying to get a ride out of me instead of having a reason to vote me. This is me calling it out and saying I’m not going to take a crap wagon on page 4 seriously.
Maybe it pinged for you because you viewed the whole post as an interaction when it really wasn't one?In post 146, themilkcartonkid wrote:This interaction pinged me, although I dont know what it pinged or who pinged it
Ah, the acceptance of defeat.In post 149, Inferno390 wrote:Okay, this makes sense.
I would say "making Inferno look guilty" is not really a right word but yes, that is basically what I'm doing.In post 152, RuiRui wrote:I'm taking a closer look at John Pierce Gantt's push there and I get the feeling he's trying to make Inferno look guilty rather than trying to figure Inferno's alignment out
I did say that it is not a good word to describe what I'm doing.In post 154, ErzaScarlet wrote:Making someone look guilty means your're pushing fabricated evidence/points to fit your false narrative/end goal so I'm not sure if that's the word choice you want to go with @JPG, just saying.
There is no such thing as "too early to make a solid decision." It is all based on the contents given in the game, and I think there was enough contents for me to make a decision.In post 155, RuiRui wrote:I think it's too early in the game to lock someone in as mafia and not want to talk to them.
I think Inferno can be town who made some suspect posts early on, that you quickly jumped on - in that case trying to argue about you if you're right that hecouldbe mafia for those posts, or that it's more likely to come from mafia etc. is a waste of time. I thought the post he made talking about Vorkuta being town and the few after that looked more like town than scum.
Ok, we had a different definitions of term in mind.In post 156, themilkcartonkid wrote:When someone quotes a post, that is an interaction. Axe interacted with you and either their interaction or your original response pinged me. Not sure yet why
?In post 157, RuiRui wrote:It kind of feels like John Pierce Gantt is softly defending Axe
You said you couldn't figure out where and why my post felt weird so I was lending you a hand. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 158, themilkcartonkid wrote:Actually, no. This looks bad. Why did you jump to me accusing you of scum interaction?
In post 119, ErzaScarlet wrote:I think Inferno's doing too much if he is scum at this point. he's protesting too hard, seems too annoyed by the process of it all. That's just the feeling I'm getting.
I would explain it but it's late night and it should be obvious what I'm trying to say with these quotes.In post 128, ErzaScarlet wrote:D1, 5, almost 6 pages in, I'm finding it hard to believe that we've got scum already, we'll see though. Could be wrong but all I have is my opinions at the moment.
I've read the argument/thoughts of how little value his posts have, slightly hypocritical considering a few of us fall to that at the moment. I'm guessing you've played with them before, is this what they do?
Well I believe dave is voting me because he abhors Gantt chart.In post 229, NotAnAxehole wrote:Davesaz and ruirui have no business pushing JPG right now as scum
You are trying to discredit Axe's opinions by calling his method faulty via bias, but calling him biased like that means you are viewing him as town though.In post 239, Inferno390 wrote:@Axe, your PoE is coming from a already biased viewpoint. You’re clearly fitting the evidence (or lack of any) to validate what you want to believe.
I think you missed my "otherwise" in that post.In post 242, Skellen wrote:Admittedly it confuses me a bit that he said there is no point in having an argument with Inferno, when he is actually having an argument with Inferno, but maybe that was just wording (or wording fail on my side).
Word choices were only the starting part of my analysis. If I had to summarize my entire points with one sentence, it would be "Inferno is not reacting like how town would react in multiple given situations."In post 254, davesaz wrote:I see it as being essentially the same as rc’s. You point out some word choices, right?
I think this is a bit too over-generalized view of the game. RC really only called one other person Mafia (you), and Axe stated very clearly that many of his reads were achieved via process of elimination.In post 266, Tchill13 wrote:Seems like axe and RC really tried to take control of the game with their push on inferno and then used ego to put those down who didn't see the "obv scum".
I, too, am very confident on my Inferno Mafia read. I just happen to list out my reasons.In post 267, Tchill13 wrote:RC sticks his neck out FIRST. axehole is right behind him after getting a few votes on himself and is JUST AS confident as RC. it's odd...
Neither player should be that confident. Then both agree that the only player pointing out they shouldn't be that confident that early is scum.
(when you result to "he's obv scum" after getting pressed for more explanation when you've only explained it once... Yeah, not a whole lot of reason there)
Again, overly generalized.In post 269, Tchill13 wrote:Also is Stefan the only person axe has given a TR with not so good justification? Is that the plan? Tell everyone inferno is obv scum. Call anyone scum who opposes that theory then call everyone else town so you can lynch the opposed?
Also I think this post lacks a conclusion.In post 274, Tchill13 wrote:Axe is coming off as egotistical, refuses to go in depth about reads, scoffs at those who don't see how obvious things are and has handed RC a hard TR due to (well its a bad look if inferno flips town which would keep RC from doing this, regardless of how confident RC is in his own reads) then has proceeded to hand TR's out among others who fit the narrative based on PoE and mostly gut read material.
In post 18, John Pierce Gantt wrote:Greetings. If my name is too long for you to type, you may call me JP Gantt or just JP.
Just don't call me JPG because I am a real life human being, not some pixelated piece of art.
What is your stance on Inferno?In post 283, Egix96 wrote:This is very true. I'll make sure to give Cowbells the stinkeye if Inferno flips town.
This is funny, because that Erza "case" was the one that I did not write any explanation about.In post 286, Tchill13 wrote:Any idea on a 3rd scum JPG? Because your erza case caught my eye and I liked it.
Then you should vote Inferno too.In post 281, Tchill13 wrote:I'm fine with an inferno lynch today.
I doubt it, becauseIn post 289, Egix96 wrote:poor choice of terminology
219-222, maybe, although I can see both ways.In post 289, Egix96 wrote:Also his string of posts from 219 to 223 doesn't read to me like scum who's in anti-spew mode.
If I spent most of my time engaging Tchill and Inferno as Mafia, what would be the reason?In post 307, Vorkuta wrote:I will, once I try and get people to believe in my JP wagon.
Upon rereading his ISO, I find myself shaking my head at every other one of his comments, WHICH IS BAD because he's also mostly engaging Tchill and Inferno.
Like I don't understand how I like my scumreads' answers/defense more than JP's posts/questions.
Hmm, I see.In post 316, Vorkuta wrote:Do I look like someone with enough experience/creativity to properly answer that question?In post 315, John Pierce Gantt wrote:what would be the reason?
I'll try though. Off the top of my head:
-This bussing thing that people like to do.
-Distancing, so that when/if either of the wagons diffuse, you can safely keep on ignoring them while trying to push mislynches
-Gambitting (I actually don't know what the word means, but it seems like a good answer)
This is actually very sad to hear because I'm pretty sure I gave people inspirations which is the direct opposite of parroting.In post 318, themilkcartonkid wrote:Jp I dunno.. again mostly tone plus have they actually brought anything other than parroting?
Yes. I want you to read the context around the time I was making posts. Look more than my ISO. Who were around when I was posting?In post 329, Vorkuta wrote:*looks at your ISO*
I mean... you quote people's arguments when you reply to them... so am I missing the question here?
In post 324, RadiantCowbells wrote:.bmp
OK, I give up.In post 329, Vorkuta wrote:Joint Photographic Expert Group.
Not quite that (also that would not prove anything at all) but you are indeed correct that I want you to discover something.In post 336, Vorkuta wrote:I mean what's your point?In post 331, John Pierce Gantt wrote:Who were around when I was posting?
I don't see how the potential lack of real-time interaction that you're alluding to takes away from my case.
I'm assuming you have a follow up or you are waiting for me to discover something along the lines of "oh JP and inferno were never online at the same time"?
What about Erza?In post 462, NotAnAxehole wrote:My top scum reads are milkcarton and Tchill13In post 459, John Pierce Gantt wrote:+ How confident are you on them right now?
In post 456, John Pierce Gantt wrote:Oh yeah, I have a question for both of you, Tchilland Axe.
Who are your guesses on team right now?
In post 459, John Pierce Gantt wrote:+ How confident are you on them right now?
That's interesting.In post 488, Tchill13 wrote:It vanished. *poof* no the way RC played that changed my read on inferno.In post 486, John Pierce Gantt wrote:What happened to your Mafia-read on Inferno?
Yeah he's not even trying right now.
I think this post was a pretty decent towny post. He definitely misrepresented me there, but I simply don't feel like he've done it on purpose.In post 318, themilkcartonkid wrote:I'm fairly certain theres at least 1 scum between jp, rc, axe, and tchill. So that's great. If I had to vote one of them right now it would be axe, but I dont trust my read there because its influenced by tone and theres a few things that dont match up with my internal logic. I dont think inferno has absolutely screamed scum since their first few posts but they havent pkayed well as town either. I do think they over reacted to their push, but that's nai atm. Will probably influence my read later post someone flipping. Honestly, I dont get the push on tchill. Seems more actually annoyed town than inferno did and RC tred inferno for that. Jp I dunno.. again mostly tone plus have they actually brought anything other than parroting? If they were lurking that would be one thing, but they post a good bit. Vork, what have they said scummy, someone whose tring them, what do you find good about them?
I had a brief interaction with him earlier.In post 589, Inferno390 wrote:Why? What makes you think he is town?In post 577, John Pierce Gantt wrote:I don't really think Vork is Mafia.
Which, by the way, is a direct counter to those who are arguing that he is just sheeping the seal.In post 307, Vorkuta wrote:I will, once I try and get people to believe in my JP wagon.
Upon rereading his ISO, I find myself shaking my head at every other one of his comments, WHICH IS BAD because he's also mostly engaging Tchill and Inferno.
Like I don't understand how I like my scumreads' answers/defense more than JP's posts/questions.
I don't think this is how Mafia would drop their case. Once proven wrong, he dropped it clean, and admitted his wrongness. I think Mafia would try to be more resilient about it?In post 351, Vorkuta wrote:Can confirm, and hence myIn post 342, RadiantCowbells wrote:were scum.somewhatunwavering faith and loyalty to your crusade.
I concede.In post 343, John Pierce Gantt wrote:Anyway, I'll cut to the chase.
I blame the fact that I wasn't there for the interactions, but had to quickly scroll through them when I got online.
In post 43, Tchill13 wrote:Any competent group of town makes sure theMillerAscetic is lynched before lylo if we ever reach that point. I propose we carry on as normal and if we're pushed to that brink THEN we with it.
Yes it's essentially dead man walking.