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I played with you my last game and I'm going to play with you my next game; I haven't played with vivi for some time, so it was a "long time no see" kind of thing.In post 46, Vedith wrote:Why not nice playing again with me? :<
It's always a plessure playing with you, which has been more times that you could know- pinturicchio
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Hey don't apologize, I played like shit back there. We're surely getting along as we always do!In post 70, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Hey Pintu! Nice playing with you again tooIn post 45, pinturicchio wrote:Whoops sorry for being late, I had a looooooong day yesterday.
You know, there's a player who, in my eyes, is always scum.
VOTE: Ceejayvinoya
Nice playing with you again, vivi.
Sorry for what happened back on vanilla 8-ball
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You want more from me? Oh Vedith, I thought you would never askIn post 142, Vedith wrote:Pintu maybe but I want more.- pinturicchio
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This is town Vedith.
Now we can work together.- pinturicchio
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I read Merchant's Daughter and I laughed at every single post of Dr. Worm. Also, if you know how to read between lines, you could see he had pretty good reads too. Wasn't he the only one suspecting Nancy at some point?In post 183, Allomancer wrote:
how do you like dr worm?In post 174, pinturicchio wrote:Clemency is getting replaced I really like him
And speaking of likeable players, where's doctor worm?- pinturicchio
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I clearly said "at some point"; that means at any point of the game, not the begining, so I don't understand the lowkey discredit of my comment there. And you not finding it funny it's ok; you asked me why I liked him, I just told you.In post 188, Allomancer wrote:
everyone suspected nancy pretty early on. i don't find his posts funny, just obnoxious.In post 185, pinturicchio wrote:
I read Merchant's Daughter and I laughed at every single post of Dr. Worm. Also, if you know how to read between lines, you could see he had pretty good reads too. Wasn't he the only one suspecting Nancy at some point?In post 183, Allomancer wrote:
how do you like dr worm?In post 174, pinturicchio wrote:Clemency is getting replaced I really like him
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Why did the chicken vote Allomancer?In post 199, rosterfoster wrote:Ah but am I town or scum?- pinturicchio
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I would've expected a "I'm at L-3, jackass. I'm not claiming". So before you call my logic bad, you can always ask.In post 216, Eyes without a face wrote:
That's a VERY bad logic there.In post 211, pinturicchio wrote:Lol Allo wasn't even close to L-1. His claim is townie in that case, since I expect scum being more self aware and checking how many votes there are on them.
UNVOTE: Allomancer
What other choices did Allo have? Claim Doctor and be killed by the other scum team? Claim Scum outright? Or claim any other PR that doesn't even exist in this setup?? I mean, seriously; what other claim would you expect from ANYONE, including the Doctor themselves??- pinturicchio
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As I explained in my previous post, I wouldn't expect a claim at all. I would expect something like "I'm not at L-1" or not say anything at all on that matter. Why claim?In post 215, Vedith wrote:Well that just shows the state of the game then which is pretty tragic.
I don't believe it though.
If Scum were more aware there would they not fake claim VT for credit knowing that it's not L1?- pinturicchio
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Yeah, could be. So you think he claimed as scum... Why?In post 219, Vedith wrote:Yes, I was expecting that too from a town Allo.- pinturicchio
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Remember that I agree with you in all of those things since I was the one who called him out for not scumreading you on early game. I'm asking why he claims VT as scum instead of saying "I'm at L-3 jackass", not claiming VT instead of something else.In post 221, Vedith wrote:Why not?
As Eyes said, there's nothing else to claim this game.
Look at what Allo has done this game
Self vote joke
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Allo is a player that throws round suspicion. Decides who looks scummy early on and goes with me.
Not here.
What I mean is: what do you think happened: did scum!Allo knew he was at L-3 but decided to claim VT; or did scum!Allo thought he was at L-1 and claimed?
If you think the former is what happened (which is the one I understand you believe), why do you think he claims VT instead of dismising your request?- pinturicchio
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More than offensive, I've seen that this game in particular has some kind of heat that I'm not fond with (I think GrandWazoo calling the chicken scum was a little harsh, for example, iirc). I know it wasn't intended, I just wanted to note that there's a kind of aggressiveness that isn't necesarry. But thanks for apologizing!In post 222, Eyes without a face wrote:
I'm sorry if you thought that was offensive to you. I assure you I meant not to brush on your feelings. I was just explaining why it wasn't the case from my own PoV. Nothing against you in person, my friend.In post 217, pinturicchio wrote:So before you call my logic bad, you can always ask- pinturicchio
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In Allo's situation, do you think he thought claiming at L-3 would give him towncred instead of just dismissing? I don't know, it seems too simple.In post 225, Vedith wrote:For town credit?
I don't know but I don't like him as town.
The way I see it now, we have a VT claim.
Allo never claims VT as doc there so we either lose a VT or get Scum (most likely) with this lynch.
So if we lynch Scum here it forced the single Scum to look for other Scum.
If we lynch a town then it forces both Scum teams to look for Scum.
Allo is giving 0 effort or content into the game.
Mechanically and read wise this is the best lynch.
I agree with you in that he's a good lynch, I just think that the claim thing is something to take in consideration. But don't you think there are plenty of players who qualify in the "giving 0 effort or content into the game" category? Like, I think I qualified into it until this discussion. Also, you're not considering that Allo could be giving 0 effort or content because of IRL reasons, and you should know what I mean by this.- pinturicchio
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I feel the exact same way, but I haven't contributed much myself so I can't complain.In post 227, Vedith wrote:I'd like more to be happening in the game to be able to get better Scum reads.- pinturicchio
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More than calling out BEF because of a pressure vote, I would call him out for saying it was thanks to his vote that the game got a better pace, like a martyr. I don't believe that's the case, it was Vedith who made that possible.In post 250, BrightEyedFish wrote:
It was a pressure vote and a vote to get things moving along. And it seemed to get things moving along.In post 242, ceejayvinoya wrote:roster's vote on BEF is more valid than BEF's vote on roster, seeing that BEF's vote was just a "pressure" vote and roster's vote is him calling out BEF for voting without good reason.
I knew that it would make me an easy target and I expected a wagon to form, a sort of scum bait if you will...
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That was strike three, and it's not because the TR itself, obviously.In post 256, Eyes without a face wrote:So I'm not allowed to have my own thoughts? I am assuming this is because I stated a TR on BEF. Otherwise I don't even know what's this about.
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Strike one was the whole page for yourself. You don't look like a silly player; even if you explicitly said "I should try doing it", it felt like Mark Zuckerberg trying to act like a human being.In post 259, Eyes without a face wrote:So, what were the previous 2 strikes, and what exactly triggered you in my post if it wasn't the TR itself?
Strike two was the tone of some posts: 158 felt like buddying (and since I don't consider you a goofy kind of guy, that post doesn't seem like following Vedith's townbloc joke); 191 followed by 216 it's really odd. First, you join a wagon without giving much reasons other than "let's see where this goes". That alone is not enough to be scummy, since joining a wagon is pretty common. But then, when I give my reasoning for unvoting, you call me out for doing it? Seems inconsistent, joining a wagon with not many reasons but calling someone out for leaving the wagon; it's like you wanted a lynch for the sake of it and not because you thought Allo was a good lynch.
And strike three was your previous post. You said "this is probably a town post. Scum probably wouldn't want to sacrifice themselves or pretend to be willing to". The double use of "probably" shows that you're not taking stances, or in other words, fencesitting. Is it or isn't a town post? Would scum do that or not? You're not saying it, you're just saying that the post could be from town, and that seems like trying to apeace BEF who clearly wrote that post to get townread.
So that's it. Any questions?- pinturicchio
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There's no doubt about that. What do you think about the case itself?
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I think you were buddying Vedith, not me! By following Vedith and asking him "do you think this guy should be in our townbloc?" was like trying to be on good terms with someone who knows you.In post 276, Eyes without a face wrote:
Yes. Have meta dived me? I have 4 finished games on MS and I only won the first of them.. the one that I got lynched in D1 in. My reads are generally bad even when I'm close to certain (proven by me tunneling a townie for an entire game and rage quitting when I couldn't get them lynched, yet every lynch the town had was on town still).In post 266, pinturicchio wrote:So that's it. Any questions?
So, excuse me when I try to boost my confidence by stating my own reads but asking for someone else's opinion. Someone I know that is. Vedith was with me in the last game (at least the last game) and I kinda think he is town in this game (he was scum in that last game).
Anyway, your case is understood. I think I can appreciate it for now, but liking it is another matter.
P.S. Why would I buddy you when I don't even know you. Isn't buddying meant to be towards strong players?
I haven't meta dived you, but I read the game were you realized Slaxx was a Doctor and outed him that's a pretty solid read if you ask me. Do you think that, if I meta dive you, I'll get a different perspective about you?- pinturicchio
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I mean, of course you want to, I meant to ask if have the energy/time to do it. I'm asking you to cooperate in doing a wagonomics kind of analysis. Being a multiball is difficult to know who's town by votes on both leading wagons, but we can definitely get some insight on who could be scum in them. It won't be easy since either you or Allo are flipped, but it could help- pinturicchio
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Oh, I differ. Your wagon was formed when Allomancer's wagon began to lose traction; if your wagon formed right after you posted 162, I would agree, but the chicken's vote on you was pretty reactive and that could go either way. ofrhz voted before you posted 162, and ceejay I don't really know.In post 291, BrightEyedFish wrote:I wasn't trying to play 4D Chess or anything but after I made post 162, I thought this would be a good post for scum to get a wagon going. A vote on me after that post would not bring too much attention since the post was moderately scummy scum could feel safe jumping in early. That's why I think there is at least 1 scum in the first few votes on my wagon, ofr, roster and ceejay.
That's where my head is at right now.
Instead, there are these two players who voted you and consolidated your wagon and made you a viable lynch: maadneet, who says that his gut's "been pegging BEF as scum for a while now" and to "give Allo a chance to put effort in"; and Springtrap, that only said that it sounds right voting you, making you the leading wagon over Allo.
The timing of this two votes is off: maadneet says he has you as scum for a while now, why not voting back then instead of doing it when your wagon is becoming a real thing? Why not doing it after 162, instead doing it now? Why doing it after I made a valuable case on a player, yet preffers to vote the option that is rising up as a viable lynch? Springtrap, on the other hand, has been in roster's wagon, which was the first leading wagon of the game with five votes, and now made you the leading wagon with his vote, without any kind of reasoning. I don't mind the lack of reasoning for joining a wagon, but two makes it suspicious.
Now, let's see maadneet's contributions to the game, shall we?
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Ok, I've read through the thread.
@Springtrap haven't seen much from you, what are your reads so far?
@BrightEyedFish and @ceejayvinoya, any new reads since the Allo wagon?In post 262, maadneet wrote:I count 6, not 5.
And that's it. Springtrap's contributions are almost the same thing, but at least he admitted that the game hasn't clicked for him.In post 280, maadneet wrote:my gut's been pegging BEF as scum for a while now
VOTE: BrightEyedFish
allo's been scummy but my gut says to give him a chance to put effort in
So in conclusion, I tried to make an Eyes without a Face wagon going, but it was blatantly ignored, when it's clearly one of the biggest pieces of content on this game. It could mean that a) I hit the nail on the head, b) people didn't agree with it and just kept going with their own thoughts, or c) scum is taking advantage on the lazy gamestate and are just pushing the most convenient wagons, and Eyes' wagon didn't get the traction needed to get a lynch there.
I think it's a combination of the three of them, but I think maadneet falls in the letter c). So BEF, wanna follow there?
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Agreed. And our fellow Worm agrees too. This is starting to look better.In post 327, Vedith wrote:Maad.- pinturicchio
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I'll leave my ego behind for a minute and say that if everyone agrees on scum!BEF I'll vote him, but I really want s'more comments on why BEF and not maadneet, whose contributions have been atrocious. ofrhz was scumreading both BEF and maad, and reasoning behind BEF seems to be "join me on this wagon NOW" more than anything else.- pinturicchio
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I think BEF could be scum and I gave my reasoning behind that. My problem is how comfortable people seem to be towards scumreading BEF without dialogue and some counterpoints. We already mislynched Allo and everyone was pretty damn sure he was scum. Coming into D2 voting the same guy who was being wagoned on D1 seems like not only lazy, but awful town.
Vedith, be good town and tell me why BEF is scum. I'm not being condescending or anything here, I just want to here your points 'cause I don't remember them.- pinturicchio
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