micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Hello Everyone.
I'm here now. You are as funny as you think you are.

VOTE: Draco Lucky

That is a wonderful name, but I'm Reynard's Luna.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Hello Everyone.
I'm here now. You are as funny as you think you are.

VOTE: Draco Lucky

That is a wonderful name, but I'm Reynard's Luna.

are you an alt? it's important.

I am certainly an alternate Luna. That's why I call myself Starwing. So as not to be confusing.

I don't not believe we have ever played a game together before, in any form.

Saying town is not obv town.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Nice, New, Jungle.

You have studied the Radiant one much to understand that about him. Have you played Mafia elsewhere? Have you studied me?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It is fun in person. And no, I don't have more games I can show you. I'm a mystery. One day I will become known.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I wouldn't always call myself minimalist in my posting. But I have a cold which affects both my voice and energy levels. Thus more succint. Especially when I haven't less to say.
I have less free time on weekends. Also a family lunch / remembrance for my Grandfather. It was sad and and happy, and touching, and fun all at once. So, distracted.

like aloftness if that's even a word
or detached
or ephemeral

ephemeral is prob the best word
but like that's not something i can translate into ai-ness, it just kinda is;

calling her luna + the tone i'm getitng kinda reminds of luna lovegood lol

How funny. Do you know a Luna?

Most of the people here have a light hearted feel. I shall have to have a longer look at you all. It all flew over my head. Or I flew over its head.

Oh, rosterfoster and brassherald were talking. They could both be town.

Bye, back sometime.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

That is rather rude of you. Don't you understand humour?

The energy levels affect typing. The voice makes me more prone to be quiet in general. Especially when I think out loud.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

The recent Rooster Brass interaction made me think of a TvT. Still they all need to be examined properly. Next week I will have time. Less than two days from now.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

@vedith can you talk about your roster and ico reads?

I don't have reads.

Why not? Have you not really read enough?

Oh ues, I know Harry. He's not extraordinarily interesting in my world. Abby and Draco and Luna are much more important. (Am I trying to read people by seeing how open they are to discussing

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Rereading the game may be a good idea. What do we see?

Iconeum's No Lynch RVS is kinda sus. What reason could there be for it? What is it supposed to achieve?
Roster's response to it makes sense, but is Nai.
Turning the nolynuch of to Brass is slightly funny. The reaction is unreadable.
Vedith is typical.
Geminitwin's entrance, voting the other person who hadn't posted... Well one of the other people.
Draco townread on Vedith. It looks rather like a joke. Promises don't mean town and I'm sure the Slaxx knows that. (Confirmed next page)
Jungle doesn't sound like inexperienced scum, but he really doesn't look in experienced at all.

Draco scum read on Jungle is not unreasonable. Jungle should not call himself obv town. Though I know of a newbie who believed in her first game that since she was town anyone who scum read her was scum motivated. Jungle could honestly be town who thinks he's obvious, but is atrocious. I don't find him grating, or condescending. Just oblivious.

The U2 half of Draco seems as good as the other. They don't agree entirely, but it isn't the wrong kind of dissonance. I am not very familiar with Hydras however. It's been a while since I met one, and I don't know either head.

Jungle has far too much meta is he's really new. Yet I do not want to think he is lying.

Gemini has a town feel, but depending on associations. That's the main thing I see. People who can or cannot be together. I don't know is it's reliable though. But no association of Gemini and Jungle.

Reading Merry and Pippin is harder than just reading the Radiant himself, even though it's mostly him posting. Just having a differnt name causes him to look a little different. He's not manipulating things that I can see. But if they're scum, Post #240 is trying to pocket Jungle.

Brass looks like town, less confident on Roster.
Pippin and Merry (Unsigned, but looked like Pippin) have a good case on Iconeum being town. And they feel like town too. And Draco.

UNVOTE:

Oh, everyone is voting me. It's not going to make me post faster. But this is here now.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

The recent Rooster Brass interaction made me think of a TvT. Still they all need to be examined properly. Next week I will have time. Less than two days from now.

I'm interested in this, if you're around this morning?

-U2

What about it is interesting?

Also, Merry, why do you think Draco is scummy?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Deepish apologies for my absentness. This answer comes, then the catchup read.

The recent Rooster Brass interaction made me think of a TvT. Still they all need to be examined properly. Next week I will have time. Less than two days from now.

I'm interested in this, if you're around this morning?

-U2

What about it is interesting?

I was going to ask why it felt to you like TvT. The 'this' referred to the roster/brass exchange

-U2

Tone. And content. TvT is over things like that at times. Also it was in isolation and the first time my thoughts weren't shut out of firming reads due to rushed reading. The certainty is not as high.

If Jungle is new, instant learning pills really do exist. He has a brilliant vocabulary, and speaks of how he plays and when best to act on reads.

Now Starwing will read.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

i have no interest in lynching luna today, she's more the type of player that i eventually locktown because she drops a couple massive town tells or alternatively the type of player that i lynch closer to lylo if she fails to town herself enough.

See! Not a newbie.

VOTE: Starwing

284 Bad

Bad to share stream on consiousness about the game?


Draco town.
Merry and Pippin town for the sake of my insanity. They're not worrying me, and constantly being in doubt is bad for ones mind.

Also for imsanity, Jungle argues well attacking Oconeum. Iconeum's case against Roster is illogical.

Merry and Pippin, do you have thoughts on that case, and the Jungle's recent posts?

Did people ask for Starwing's role?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Is not Jungle account new? What wonderful thing is this meta you speak of?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

HARP!

I don't take you too seriously. Do you have an answer to Jungle's accusations?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I already did. I also consider it pretty empty (based solely on meta and assumptions about me). Especially since (I think) I never played with that slot before.
Why do you think my case on roster is illogical?

Not thoroughly illogical, but quoting Roster's vote on Jungle while voting Roster and claiming they are a team is somewhat odd. What is the basis of thinking they are a team?
Looking at Jungle after a break, his argument is bad, but still explain yours. Please?
Or do you have the same reads now?

Still reading. Starwing will fly away very soon to talk with humans.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Jungle's assumptions about how Ico would play were the worst bit.

you also tend to think you know who alts are so you probably think i'm someone who i'm not & that's probably biasing your read in ways that i don't have a grasp on yet.

Does he know my other self?

Nah.

VOTE: brassherald

Townreads here are wrong btw

Why? Need reasons.

I feel like more of a spectator than I do and actual player

Spectate, spectate. Wonder why?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Congratulations of your birthday, Iconeum.

Iconeum's aura is town. Not putting his own slot on the line does not look like refusing to take responsibility. I think he just doesn't want to die.
Yet having no preference between two people who you believe are not working together, is far less that ideal. Having two contradictory scum reads, or an association that means one is scum if the other is not and vice versa, is alright, but this looks like two dependent scum reads, that do not rest of the other at all, and thus there ought to be a preference.

Jungle is more town than Roster. Roster's posts are all empty.

VOTE: Roster Foster

But Ico-Jungle-Roster circle is very diverting. I'm likely missing something behind it, but I enjoy it.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Congratulations of your birthday, Iconeum.

Iconeum's aura is town. Not putting his own slot on the line does not look like refusing to take responsibility. I think he just doesn't want to die.
Yet having no preference between two people who you believe are not working together, is far less that ideal. Having two contradictory scum reads, or an association that means one is scum if the other is not and vice versa, is alright, but this looks like two dependent scum reads, that do not rest of the other at all, and thus there ought to be a preference.

Jungle is more town than Roster. Roster's posts are all empty.

VOTE: Roster Foster

But Ico-Jungle-Roster circle is very diverting. I'm likely missing something behind it, but I enjoy it.

This is just hedging, really. You think i'm town, but then you think it's suspicious i don't have a preference between my scumreads. Not a logical conclusion here.
And really, what compels YOU to choose between Jungle and Rooster here?

VOTE: Starwing

Of course, I do know I'm inconsistent at times. But you feel like town despite your inconsistencies. And it's still your problem. Would I make you feel better if I scum read you for it?

Jungle has content, and looks very much like a person who is trying. Roster doesn't. So maybe is is playstyle. Maybe the wrackspurts turned me into a sheep.

Do Merry and Pippin have a reason for saying Brass is not town? I still think we need one.

I wonder what the next alternate time line will look like. It's sure to be fun if the heliopaths aren't in it.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Merry says Brass is scum.
Pippin has no opinion on Brass.
Interesting.

Gemini isn't scummy. Not a huge pile of posts, but solid.

It would be interesting to meet someone who can understand a Starwing.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

VOTE: Brass

Why?

Have you been infected with lethurgies, and unable to give any reasons for anything?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I'm just sheeping.

But sheep are boring, and not useful on missions. Don't you want to avoiding becoming a sacrificial lamb?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Starwing is awake, and not totally occupied by other things.
Starwing hoped others would be awake before she disappeared for the day.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I townread Roster based on an isolated interaction when i really hadn't taken in much of the game as a whole. Perspective naturally gives new views.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Don't you want to avoiding becoming a sacrificial lamb?

It is what it is.

Protest. context. This is really about sheep, not death.
I'm sure something would happen if you tried harder than this.


Going, going, gone!

This lovely young owl is sold to a obligation that requires full attention, and no human communication.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I townread Roster based on an isolated interaction when i really hadn't taken in much of the game as a whole. Perspective naturally gives new views.

Ok so put it in perspective for us. How did you go from a Rooster townread to a Rooster scumread?
There's a bunch of other players, and nobody forced you to vote for either Jungle OR Rooster. I link the 2, that doesn't mean you should feel compelled to do so either, especially considering you had him as a townread.

They aren't linked. except by you. I discuss what others discuss.
Roster, lack of content. And I was swayed by your argument. Also, I wanted to see how he would react. Maybe he is town.

I'm good for a policy lynch on Draco
If they're mafia great if not they're not going to help town anyway

Merry obviously

Since when is this Draco useless? Do you really not have anything better than a policy lynch?

His reads don't smell fake, though they're not all right. What does a fake read smell like anyway?
Jungle does have a point about the disconnect. Possible room for convinciation.
But Draco has good analysis on Ico. I could not deny that Ico is asking me the right questions. I suppose Ico could do the same as scum, but that's not a nice idea.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why is it when I have caught scum everyone wants to go after lynchbait and when I haven't everyone is looking at me to lead then powerlynches me if I lead wrong?

You caught scum, did you? Please tell us who.

I don't want to have defined reads at this point in the game

I think JM me you vedith brass are bad lynches today

I thought you said Brass was scum?

- I love his push on Starwing

I like the way he's made the pushes, I like the L-1 on starwing

do you usually townread people who push the same people as you?
or, probably more accurately, do you usually townread people *for* pushing the same people as you?

Vmore convincified. Need to see Draco's response


Alacrity has a nice manner, but I don't see the Gemini scum read. I like the tone. Also, is Vedith much light-hearted? He's not dark hearted, but I don't understand.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Building, building, great building. Expo and water and windows and concrete.

People didn't say much.

Draco still town. Vedith still frustrating.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Starwing still scum :O

Thanks for noticing. Have you any idea who I'm working with?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Nope.

It looks like you have a job then.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

You know whAT? I thin Vedith might actually be town.

Please can someone do something blatantly scummy. Thank you so much in advance.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Well that's Starwing town reading me. I guess we don't need to kill there tonight.

That looks like a scum slip. But I'm not 100% sure it is. But then what else could it be?

Oh, we could be partners, and you're sacrificing yourself to save me?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It was a joke to Starwing asking for someone to do something scummy.

Brain had gone fuzzy and I forgot I asked that. This was so blatant that it didn't feel real. Thank you Vedith.

VOTE: draco

Reasons?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Brain had gone fuzzy and I forgot I asked that. This was so blatant that it didn't feel real. Thank you Vedith.

Wait you weren't joking with that post? That was why I said to disregard what I said. In that case, that was still scummy.

I was joking, but I forgot I had made the joke. So then I couldn't tell that Vedith was responding to my joke that I didn't remember I'd made. So confuse. Tired.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Starwing still scum :O

y tho

i think starwing's 665 and 667 are actually low-key townie; they're kinda flippant in a way that i wouldn't really expect her to be as scum

But would you know my scum game if you saw it? Starwing has no scum games.

Roster, lack of content. And I was swayed by your argument. Also, I wanted to see how he would react. Maybe he is town.

His reads don't smell fake, though they're not all right. What does a fake read smell like anyway?

Vmore convincified. Need to see Draco's response


Alacrity has a nice manner, but I don't see the Gemini scum read. I like the tone. Also, is Vedith much light-hearted? He's not dark hearted, but I don't understand.

what do these even mean?

==

starwing, who's scum?

1. Pressure of Roster, half reaction test, his aura varies. Right now what he said about Vedith seems factually correct, and I like Vedith as town even though he is lazy. So is confuse.

2. Draco (Was that who I was talking about?) doesn't have reads that feel fake, but I'm not sure I would recognize them if they were and don't agree with them all.

3. You have good points on Draco, about him being bit on surface level, but I'm not quite ready to scum read him solidly.
Alacrity said Vedith was too light in heart for scum, and i questioned it. Now I see his jokes.

Lost with scum. Need to reread, but don't have much time. Also job stress and Endirians.

how about just lynching draco today?

Do you have your own reasons yet?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Jungle Medicine has done less since pressure has left him. Need to know why he thinks Draco is scum.

Vedith town, but he seems confused about whether he want to vote me. Roster and i aren't scum together.
Gemini Town.
Alacrity townishy.

Roster says I'm scum, but had given no case except that I am a grater. Lots of assertions.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why does that post make Starwing scummy?

It’s the trying to shade what is obviously a joke post. If the shade was a joke then it wouldn’t be, but he’s saying it wasn’t so it’s scummy.

I wasn't sure it was a joke, I still made my own joke. I said he might have slipped because we were partners and he wanted to protect me. Besides, if Vedith were scum, there's no way he would have been planning to kill me this night.

I uptake slowly.


Roster and Draco in connection isn't refuted by their actions. Little interaction, nothing weird between them.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Wouldn't little interaction make them look worse if one flipped Scum?

Did I say elsewise?

Nothing obvious or at suspious levels.

But Dray-co, you have Roster as a town read. Why is he town?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Is Lucky a reference to your father, or to your wish for good fortune?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

@starwing what do you think about Roster transitioning from frustration to pushing his vedith town read there?

-U2

I didn't exactly think he was frustrated, but pushing the Vedith town read is the towniest thing he's done all day.
There's no scum motivation for it, unless Vedith is partners with him.

The last post is confusing, and I don't know what he says about Vedith there.

Draco asks good questions which is why I initially town read him.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Draco is somewhat resistant to lynching Roster.
Draco had no reason for Vedith given.
Vedith's fake scum slip and all felt townie.

dear lord i've been calling him rOOSter all game

He does look like a rooster. You look like a dragon.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Hello Vedith
Merry and Pippin scum. That changes things.
It's why blind trust there would be foolish.
Six of us. Must reread.
Who was mistaken, who was misleading.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

No logic of associations here, no re-reading yet.

Draco I like for reasons, and Roster said to listen to Draco over Merry. Merry was leading shade against Draco.

Vedith had had a town aura for a time, and I didn't think he meant any harm. His 1v1 with Jungle has much certainty, and would be a risky gambit if her were scum.
In what world does he change to voting Draco for asking them to claim rather than accuse?
Could it be this one?

Jungle, I like here.
Like not equal town.

Alacrity has left a faded impression of lacking over scumminess.

Gemini? Why did the venge kill hit Merry and Pippin?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I also assume you're vanilla, Gem?

What about chocolate?

I don't understand why a townie who hammered town would get upset & refuse to give reads when they're about to die.

Okay, cool.

Gem's town.

Explanation satisfactory given that scum probably wouldn't react like that either?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Jungle has no scum motivation for his claims, so is truthful.
In which case, Alacrity is town.

@Vedith, how do you go from 879 then voting Draco lucky? I could see something that would have sparked that but you never mentioned it or anything so I'm curious.

Town aura and a good question.
Vedith, we'd like you to answer it.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Unless I have fuzzy thinking.

If a jungle were scum, he would know Alacrity and I are town.
By narrowing the scum to two and gaining the trust of three, he could lynch town, nk town, lynch town, nk town and win.
Yet it depends on no protections, and no counter claims. Also no turn from us if he is not killed after his claim.
And I have no evidences of scumminess here.

Jungle looks and sounds like town. His actions do not contradict his being scum, but do anyone's?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

My straight thinking has gone awry.
It would be foolish to make Jungle's claim if it were not true.
He would not be suicidal.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Vedith's 100% certainty was an overstatement for the sake of reactions. So it looks now.
Explain Draco's reaction.

"I don’t want to leave you in there too long, I don’t know how well it will last, it might wear out and that’s the last thing you need is to have it suddenly crack while..."
Personality masks. A Draco once had one. A different Draco.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

idk

this setup is bonkers enough that it could be a thing

I just don't think both can be used the same night if it's an actual thing

Some sense here.

Is it just me or does Alacrity being Ankamius make them seem more trust worthy? (Oh, conf town anyway.)

I am a vanilla townie. I was unable to discover which variety of vanilla however.

Is it likely that both Vedith and Draco could both have investigatory roles? I had considered it possible that Vedith was a watcher. Or rather that there was more than one possible role that fits with his claims.
That's nice.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I'm just going to go and claim VT here.
Just do the lynch if you don't believe it since it's no loss to town.

Its obvious that trying to have fun during games is just something that can't be done weather I try to Scum hunt or not.

I'm stupid. Did you know that I was stupid? No I'm not asking you. I'm not that stupid.
I got Vedith and Jungle mixed up. Too many wrackspurts. And the problem of having two investigatory roles is a non-problem now I think.

It may be that Alacrity cannot confirm Jungle. Ankamius, can you or can you not?

But it would not change that Jungle sounds truthful, and there's nothing about the situation that makes him scum.


It would be peculiar for scum to have the only investigative role, don't you think?
Draco as a wotcher should be town. Unless you have a good reason.

Unlucky Draco.
You go bye bye tomorrow \o/

Why tomorrow?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

My brain is saying we should keep draco alive but my heart says he's just the most likely scum here

It's not wise to follow your heart without analyzing its wisdom first. Why does your heart say that?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why tomorrow?

Because mechanically speaking I should be lynched over Draco.

Is that because he has a confirmed claim?

What do you think of Gemini?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Her being a VT lines up with a few things that has transpired.

In what way? I know there's nothing to contradict my claim, but what have I done to fit transpirations?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

As in you think I wouldn't have killed Iconeum if it were me?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

You know far then?

Vedith doesn't sound like scum trying to trick us into not killing him.
But I'm not convinced Draco is scum.

Which leaves you and the Jungle. So I had to check why you think things. Sorry.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Jungle said Ank is town. Presumably because of Ank's action.
Jungle wouldn't be mistaken about that. And as town he shouldn't lie in these circumstances.
If he's scum, he cannot lie about Ank being town.
Ank is independently someone I would town read.

But no one has an untrustworthy aura.

We have time. Time for people to give more of themself to be read.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Have you?

Gemini hasn't. Not directly.
Ank has not, but she doesn't need to for clearing purposes.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Thank you for the interaction summaries Draco. They will help us decide what to do.
M + P very easily could have done things to make Gemini look like their partner.
Gemini is a little defensive, but not quite too defensive.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

The Radiant one is a player who I have never caught as scum, and usually turns out to be town.
Paranoia is bad for my sanity, so I was going to assume they were town unless they seemed to be pushing something I thought was wrong, or Skitter did something scummy. But the Radiant one does not make obvious pushes.

The small reputation of Starwing is 'odd and hard to read'.

Draco first saying I am nearly clear points to him being town. Or very devious scum.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

To be precise, you are saying Draco that the first of those posts is a scum read they wouldn't make on their partner, and the second is a slight retraction?
Do retractions look like that?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Yeah, it's a pretty cutting scum read to give on a partner. but I don't think M+P was pushing your lynch as hard as JM was saying earlier as a reason to clear you. It's like a vote and this post and then the read reverses later in the day.

the second is the turn around of their read on you. After that point you are hard town to m+p, and im pretty sure that read lasted through the end of d1.

But I'm also didn't get the same scum read on you while reading you & M+P that I had earlier, so

Game is hard, lol
-U2

But you cannot be saying they are hard towning me in that second post. It might have been the beginning, but it was not there. They could have swung either way from that post if they wished to.

Merry and Pippin dying by happenstance rather than by lynch means there is no one we can point to as having bussed. by the vote counts, the only vote on them was one by Iconeum. Their own voting likewise indicates little.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Might it be useful to choose a person to make a Brittany Spears reveal?

Not Draco, because the claimed role matches with reality, and not Ankamius because they are town.

If it is done without majority permission, I intend to vote for the person. If a chosen person refuses, I will vote for that chosen person. If both occurrences happen, I know not what I shall do.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

What do you claim as your role, Gemini?
For you must have some claim.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Solve. Very much. Good Gemini. Clever Ankamius.

Brittany Spears might still be useful for the Jungle? But not today more than tomorrow.

Vedith's is still truthful over gambiting.

VOTE: DracoLucy

He had to be the bad guy in some worlds. Even though it is sad.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

UNVOTE:

It would be awkward if Draco died while I was talking.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I didn't think I should say anything, because people, might get ideas, but it will be okay.

If today we lynch town, and we know for certain who Gemini will block if she can, there's several things that could happen.
Scum is blocked, and their kill does not go through.
Scum is elsewhere, someone dies and the blocked person must be town. (so do block the planned person Gemini)
Scum is elsewhere, but chooses not to kill, and we guess the blocked person was the scum.

If no one dies however, we are not in lylo, or even mylo. We will have two or three confirmed town, and still one or more the next day in lylo.

If not overly plagued by wrackspurts or humdingers, we ought to figure this out whatever happens. Unless Gemini blocks an alternate person, and dies. That could confuse us.

Gemini did not have to confirm me as town. Yet I was the best person for her to say she blocked, and we could make her prove her role, so it is not very indicative of her alignment in the end. Her worry is more indicative. If we follow the plan and she is scum, she would have victory.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Is Vedith vanilla flavored?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Draco can track. Potentially useful alive if weird things happen.

If it iss watch rather than track, not quite as useful.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Do not be overly worried. We should not lose now. Two confirmed town after one of use dies, or a day more before lylo. Or Gemini majorly messes up as town.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

May it have an affect on what we do today?
If it does not, then it does not matter.
May it affect what scum do tonight?
Your discretion.

If the moderator is lying about the number of scum.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Believe I you.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Conditionally to draco is live what time myself returned, our must kill himself

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Nice

Gemini is conftown

And the Jungle?

Badly translator is badly

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Claim will helped us taking understanding.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

We will not be screwing it. If we know who Gemini is targeting, we will have more confirmed town, or sufficient time to find scum.
This is not a problem unless you are scum.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

When Ank slipped, I first missed readying that she was supposedly conformed as town, but I already was strongly inclined to town read her.

Jungle, why did you confirm Ankamius as town?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why 50/50 Gemini?

I do not see the math.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Oh, that does make sense.

But if you can do a blocking thing, we may have more to go on.
If four of us tomorrow, maybe we shouldn't lynch.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

To our knowledge, the only redirection is a deadbus driver.
Or I am a scum role blocker who was really lucky and blocked Gemini.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

@Ankamius
You mean that the neighbourhood part of your role is confirmable, correct? It does not confirm your alignment.
Still, Brittany Spears can confirm a single person's role.

Jungle took you as being confirmed as town, though he should not have.
Maybe he was careless, maybe he knew you weren't scum.
Jungle has done very little today. He seemed content with how things were going.
Vedith also was content, provided we lynched his scum read after him.

I had written my vote, but Gemini is a post ninja and I do not hammer without warning. I might hit someone's fingers.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Draco said he saw Ankamius visit Jungle.
It was after Jungle said Ank was town, yet before we knew it was Ank who did something.
Draco would be very luck to guess that. I expected it to be Jungle who had targeted Ank.

Draco is Lucky, so....

Still he must be the watcher he claimed.

You are understood, Ankamius.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I don't understand what's going on right now.

Do you want for us to answer questions?
We are capable of doing so.
But lacking specifics, I direct you to read what has been happening.

Intention to hammer unless the situation shifts in the next 12 hours.

Hi ho, hi ho, you know how it goes.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

That is a point. It's not that simple, not technically for me. I could still be sabotaged, so to speak. Scum could purposefully NK making me think the person I chose is actually guilty.

If scum do not kill, there will be five of us to morrow. It will not be lylo, or even mylo.

Did you know that you must put spices in hot cross buns to keep them being stolen away in the night by heliopaths?

It's Good Friday now, in some places at least. If we must kill an innocent...
I do not think it though.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I said what I shall do.
There is no purpose for delay.
VOTE: Jungle Medicine

If things are wrong, Gemini to Vedith, Ankamius to Draco regarding killing ability, Draco to whom he thinks best.
You have be charged with your orders. (For they came not from me.)

[StarwingBeauvoi]

One must rely on one's brain to remember games, not just on the fact that one thought they were subscribed. I didn't know that it was possible to entirely forget a game, but it must be. Now I will read.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

As I read:

Gemini's death was not surprising. Conf town PR. Ank was a PR but not conf town.
Gemini should have blocked Vedith. Thus Vedith is close to conf town.
Jungle is cleared by the Draco Ank 1v1. One of them must be lying. Town would not lie.

I wish I knew precisely what the Brittany Spears check would do.

Ank really being able to detect killing ability is strange for scum. But it's a good argument about how much power town and scum would have.
Ank does seem to be trying too hard with her arguments.

Yet I understand why Ank didn't want to say too much yesterday. There were times I thought it might advantage scum to say what I was thinking. But not because it was solved. It wasn't until partway through the day that Ank should have had enough to potentially solve it. Or know that solving was inevitable if we weren't stupid.
[quote="In post 1269, Ankamius"}
I switched to scumreading Jungle on a dime because the sudden burst of effort looked town enough and it made me realize that jungle had said very little despite a reasonably strong start to day 2 (and even later said that they weren't following along with the game when I posted in there that I was suspecting gemini of being a traitor)

I thought at that point the game was an auto-win and I could easily see Jungle realizing the game was an auto-win and just giving up, so I decided that lynching them was the better choice in case it was that specific scenario.[/quote]
I did decide the same. I never had a very strong town read on Jungle, bu it was the burst of activity that made him look like a better lynch.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

The mechanical balance part of each side are hard too choose between. I am stuck.

only scum!you could ever stay latched onto this lol

If the venge is anti town because it might hit town

then lynching is anti town because it might hit town

both cause a flip directed by town (though the venge 100% by town)

but the venge also takes away a scum night kill

it's definitely not anti-town

and so that people don't get lost as to why it matters, scum need ank's kill detector role to have counter play. They were supposed to try and identify and night kill the venge rather than mislynch them

How does the venge take away a scum nk?
Why would the scum know to look for a venge?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

btw

vedith
starwing

really just one thing that should heavily cement why I'm the town half of this exchange

...why would I set up a 1v1 against draco lucky, the slot that had just put in a lot of effort right before I made that night action order
...instead of lynching draco when there was a lot of support there and instead dragging the lynch over to jungle... you know, the slot that wasn't even paying any attention to the thread?

which endgame do you believe I would willingly go for?

this is especially to YOU Vedith, you just saw my scumgame not too long ago and saw exactly the type of thought processes I have when trying to win the game as scum.

I specifically plan these things out to give myself the best odds in MyLo/LyLo so that I don't have to rely as much on my less strong 1v1ing skills to win the game

Hmm.

idk u2

I very strongly doubt that RC wasn't coaching you through some of this theatre

it's not exactly a secret that most of the site is horrendous at theatre and RC is one of the few scum players that aren't.

RC is good at coaching.

-The setup doesn't make sense without some way for scum to counter the venge and that's ank

this is a nonissue, vedith

the vengekill is in the setup specifically to nerf my role so that I don't have a full what... 30-40% chance of getting a confirmed guilty immediately n1?

And that's why the kill detecting makes more sense for town. False guilty for town as opposed to a way for scum to find a vengeful they don't know about.

I feel like you're my parents arguing and I'm just a chess piece.

Can I be a chess piece too?

you're trying to make the case that you could have lynched me to show that you wouldn't have kept me around for mylo, but the truth of the matter is that I wasn't the likely lynch and you didn't give a hoot where the lynch was because you thought you were considered lock!town

True, Draco wasn't the likely lynch.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Spoiler:

AND you needed my role in order to know how to play N2

and it's no surprise that the game ended up in exactly the only way that you could have any chance of winning

lol I'm pretty sure everyone had already at least softed by the time I put the breaks on Vedith's lynch. but it does bring up that I harped on everyone to full claim for a WEEK while people get annoyed at me for it! That is not my scum move. That's my, I need more information to solve this game move

VEDITH

This is the decisive evidence that Draco Lucky is scum.

look back at the d2 situation

1. Jungle Medicine specifically said that I was conftown.
2. Draco Lucky TRACKED me to Jungle Medicine, so it's very reasonable to assume that I did something that confirmed myself as town to them.
3. In that same breath, Jungle also claimed that Gemini was conftown.
4. Later on, Gemini confirmed that Starwing was conftown.

The situation here from an outside PoV is this:

Jungle says I am conftown.
Jungle says that Gemini is conftown.
Gemini says that Starwing is conftown.

Then I come in and immediately push a solve that will sort ALL THREE slots in a single night.

Check what you did. You were

fine

with this solve.
Check was Starwing did. Starwing was

fine

with this solve.

DRACO LUCKY WAS NOT FINE WITH THIS SOLVE.
HE SPECIFICALLY PUSHED FOR ME TO OUT MY ROLE.

Town do

NOT

need to know the specifics of my role in order to be reasonably sure that the solve is valid, just the knowledge that the solve itself is valid from that slot.

Jungle confirming that both myself and Gemini are both confirmed town LITERALLY SOLVES THE GAME.

That
Is
A
Scum
Approach
To
A
Solve.

I pushed for a mechanical town win once I knew for a fact that Gemini was hardclaiming that Starwing was conftown and that the setup did not allow for Gemini to be a traitor.

Draco pushed for me to out my role.

Which is the more town-aligned approach to the game?

I no longer am sure what Ank's solve was. Also I only trusted the solve because I assumed town!Jungle would not lie about Ank being town. And even then I want to have assurance of jungle being town.
It makes sense for Draco to be more skeptical.

Town!Draco would know that lynch Vedith then lynch him only works if Vedith is scum, and that Vedith really didn't sound like scum since he was willing to be lynched. He would want to know the unknowns. And Ank was that unknown. It doesn't mean Draco is town, but that was not a scummy thing for him to have pressed for.

literally does not matter

Jungle confirming that there are two conftown slots when there's only one scum means that the PoE is in three people, including themselves.

literally does not matter

Jungle confirming that there are two conftown slots when there's only one scum means that the PoE is in three people, including themselves.

I couldn't know any of that to be true without the claims lol. And frankly, you couldn't have assessed whether gem was likely clear without them claiming, either

The claims were a good thing.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

And that's why the kill detecting makes more sense for town. False guilty for town as opposed to a way for scum to find a vengeful they don't know about.

like, I hate this setup spec. But they need that counter play to reduce the swing.

Think of it the other way. Let's say ank is town and I'm scum, and let's say the venge had hit Vedith instead of RC. Given the checks, which wouldn't be great because no guilties,

Town would enter day 2 with the ability to confirm Gemini, You, and use the neighborhood to help deduce JM's alignment.

That would leave town with a lynch pool of 3, JM + RC + me. All town has to do is find town JM and they have the game solved.
That doesn't make any sense in a scenario where town mislynched a pr D1 and that PR missed his vengeshot, and no investigatives hit a guilty. That's a scenario where scum should be winning, not on the verge of being auto'd.

How do we confirm Gemini and I? Even if Gemini still targeted me, that would only conf town me absolutely to Gemini. There's a lot more room for faking with two scum. Ank's clear on Gemini would be similarly subject. I don't think it would be as great as you think it would Draco.
And the scum bus driver would have messed things around and though we would know it's existence, could we have accounted for it?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

@Ank

please don't give up. Right now, I don't know who to believe. I'm in the contradictory state of wishing I could beleive both of you. But I want to win. And to do that I need to listen.
Don't keep arguing with Draco since it's doing no good. But please pay enough attention that if Vedith or I have questions, we'll be able to reach you.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Vedith, we've got to work together on this. I think we should get Draco to do the Brittany Spears check. (It's a public reveal of role minus alignment in case you didn't read the rules.)

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Vedith, we've got to work together on this. I think we should get Draco to do the Brittany Spears check. (It's a public reveal of role minus alignment in case you didn't read the rules.)

Vedith, suppose you have a role cop check. Would you do it on Ank or Draco right now?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I still do not think the kill detect would be as useful for scum as Draco thinks.
Suppose the venge was not lynched the first day, and say I was instead. Scum!Ank obviously knows there's some kind of killer. Chooses the correct target. When there is only one kill the first night, they can guess they're not a multi shot vigilant. (The person who would put a vigilante in a setup this size has too many wrackspurts.) But they still won't know that they're a venge and still may decide to lynch rather than wait until the next night. Either way it distracts them from other PRs.
Neither do I think the venge is negative town utility as Ank does. Except that they could potentially have given her a false guilty.

Either Draco or Ank is playing mind games with me to make me choose the other. But I must pick one. I pick Draco.

Draco, please post a picture of Brittany Spears. I am uncertain of her appearance.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Draco, please do it.
I know you are a watcher. Your results claim on the second day was enough confirmation.

But I feel certain that if Ank did it, her role would be confirmed.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

There was a named townie in this game. It would make sense for another role to relate to that.
Perhaps it was just to make things interesting if that person was forced to have their role confirmed.
Perhaps not. Perhaps a conspiracy. Or nargles.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It is not hard to do a picture. If you quote this you will see the formatting.


I don't think this mongoose is you. It's probably not the other Draco I know either.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Alternatively, it will not work at all. Bother.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Waiting.

Young Luna: “Maybe they don’t want to be spied on. Can we look at something else?”
Starwing: Sometimes we have to do things we don't want to save the ones we love.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Oh, we know you were watching. We just don't know what else you were doing. Refusing to be open is not auspicious behaviour at this point.

I am uncertain which part of Ankamius's role you are doubting. You were including all of it in you speculations of setup.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Oooh, there's an interesting idea. A vanilla townie who's also scum. That would be different.

VOTE: Draco u r not a Lucky person

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I suspect I would have lynched Draco if Brittany Spears was not involved. Ank had a town aura since she replaced herself, and even somewhat before.

Hydra are evil. Hail Hydra.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

If Draco had willingly revealed, and was what he said, I may have believed him.