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Hello, Finally caught up on things, been busier than I expected.
On the surface it screams bs overall. Draco Lucky saying that Vedith is town for keeping promises really isn't a good enough reason. I can see why JM would think that's sketchy, odd that they think they're so sure because of it without at least some bg playing experience/meta with them but the issue I have is..JM said that Draco Lucky couldn't be trusted all the while voting for Rooster Fooster at the time..... (page 2) then What even is 75? The change of thought/flip/back tracking comes across as sketchy. Null on Jungle Medicine, tentative town-ish lean on Draco Lucky.- GeminiTwin12
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Don't say thing you don't mean. Can't say that I'm surprised this is happening, especially from you. Why are you voting me exactly?In post 178, Merry and Pippin wrote:i'm really, really sorry gemini.- GeminiTwin12
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Are we really going to do *this* right now? I came in really late to the game, made one post that wasn't cohesive and detailed enough (basically just stated) so It's easy for you and now JM to just jump on the wagon and vote me.In post 185, Merry and Pippin wrote:If you're town, why wouldn't you be surprised that I'm voting you?
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Yeah, you should because I'm actually town and it would be fucked up and unfair overall to go out like this considering.In post 192, Merry and Pippin wrote:
Ok. Do you want us to unvote and give you more time to do stuff?In post 190, GeminiTwin12 wrote:
Are we really going to do *this* right now? I came in really late to the game, made one post that wasn't cohesive and detailed enough (basically just stated) so It's easy for you and now JM to just jump on the wagon and vote me.In post 185, Merry and Pippin wrote:If you're town, why wouldn't you be surprised that I'm voting you?
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Perhaps because I'm not in the same timezone as you? Shock horror!In post 213, GeminiTwin12 wrote:rooster just goes Mia after that whole "I'm an idiot" thing but nothing much in their iso so far.
Wasn't a dig at you personally, I'm saying it's not much from you for me to really agree for sure that you could be scum.- GeminiTwin12
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I reread a few things this morning, I feel like they're leaning town right now (Icon), IIn post 231, Jungle Medicine wrote:hey gemini what's your read on icon?nowsee the issue with the Rooster/draco thing earlier and how that in particular is scummy, despite their lack of actual anything in their iso (Rooster) I don't see anything scum motivated from them (icon) so far but that that depends on how Rooster would potentially flip, if town then I'd say that Icon is opportunistic scum based on 210.
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@Jungle are youIn post 294, GeminiTwin12 wrote:
Also, can you answer this, why'd you vote Icon earlier? You asked me what I thought of their slot and I'm struggling placing them out of being in the middle.evergoing to answer this?- GeminiTwin12
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How're you townreading vedith? Still have then at null.In post 299, Iconeum wrote:Gemini, Vedith, Draco townreads- GeminiTwin12
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It's the case that YOU are making to US. You need to be clear if you want people to see where you are coming from. It's more than 2 pages of games there, I'm not wasting the little time that I do have to try and see what you're saying, you know you're point, or you're supposed to, you know the games you've looked at so you should be able to link them but you're saying I'm lazy? it's a simple question that requires a simple response. I'd gladly read a wallpoint of a an argument especially if it's meta based with linked references. I asked for game references to see if I can get a feel for is you're pulling this out of no where or if you're actually serious about your claim against them, for motivational purposes.In post 402, Jungle Medicine wrote:
no your laziness isn't an excuse to scumread me or to say i'm wrong, if you don't have the energy to look for yourself you can ignore the meta stuff & evaluate the non-meta stuff, do you disagree with that part of my analysis?In post 397, GeminiTwin12 wrote:Agreed, that's why if you're going to use meta as a basis for your reasoning please link to specific games so I don't have to blindly sift through games hoping to see what you're talking about.
And Jungle, Can you answer my question please?, which specific games of Icon's did you look at? .- GeminiTwin12
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You’re basically saying that Icon’s vote on rooster is reactionary due to the fact Rooster voted for you, the other person he scum reads. And the reads are hollow without real follow up from either of them? And Icon maybe trying to get a feel for whether you're lynchable? It’s possible yeah depending but I’m not getting a strong response of: ‘Oh yeah, that’s definitely what’s going on”In post 453, Jungle Medicine wrote:hey gemini do you agree or disagree with the non-meta parts of my analysis on icon?- GeminiTwin12
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I just saw 454, if that's what you're talking about, if not what I miss?In post 464, Merry and Pippin wrote:Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me- GeminiTwin12
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Feeling town, I'm not getting a real strong sense of manipulation from the posts so far.In post 509, Merry and Pippin wrote:
I dunno. What's your read on me and why?In post 507, GeminiTwin12 wrote:
I just saw 454, if that's what you're talking about, if not what I miss?In post 464, Merry and Pippin wrote:Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me- GeminiTwin12
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Yeah, I could see that, gettingIn post 473, Draco Lucky wrote:
This could be legit frustration, but I could also see it as scum who feels like they're being scum read for the wrong reasons. Except I don't really think scum!JM would have cause to feel like he's being scum read for bad reasons in this case?In post 412, Jungle Medicine wrote:what the fuck am i supposed to do to prove i'm town? i'm one of the most active players in the game, i've been putting out more analysis about the game than anyone else in the game except hydras who i can't compete with because it's two fucking players in one, and i'm still scum? how the fuck do you come to this conclusion RC?
-U2somevibes of that. Could really be an overconfident townie.
For future reference, can you at least try to jot down game numbers, something. Makes it easier on everyone and it also keeps people from critically questioning your argument.In post 484, Jungle Medicine wrote:i'm not an academic or lawyer brass & i'm especially not one of those things when i play mafia so no i'm not going to cite evidence for everything i say.
and why are you still ignoring all the non-meta analysis?
I'd say potential to be, still have them in the middle of my pool.In post 508, Merry and Pippin wrote:I think 506 makes JM town- GeminiTwin12
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Ok, can you elaborate? What's standing out the most to you?In post 547, rosterfoster wrote:Starwing is actually just scum.- GeminiTwin12
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What changed your perspective?In post 565, StarwingBeauvoi wrote:I townread Roster based on an isolated interaction when i really hadn't taken in much of the game as a whole. Perspective naturally gives new views.- GeminiTwin12
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Same applies to Vedith and Rooster if you're talking policy.In post 571, Merry and Pippin wrote:I'm good for a policy lynch on Draco
If they're mafia great if not they're not going to help town anyway
Merry obviously
You can be town with bad reasoning meaning it doesn't directly stem from scummy intentions.In post 598, Jungle Medicine wrote:i don't see how you come to those reasonable conclusions about me while calling my push on icon 'awful,' there's some type of disconnect going on that isn't sitting well with me.- GeminiTwin12
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I don't necessarily have a top scumread, just some potential scum.
Vedith - Lack of anything from them. The lack of caring whether they'll be mislynched in 559. I'm going back and forth over the thought of "if they're scum, shouldn't they be putting in more effort than this?"also the way they voted Icon. out the blue with no followup reasons (No reasons for hardly anything)
Starwing - the lack of stance from their (star) postings is irking me and the fact that their wagon had some votes earlier has me questioning if they're actually town and if scum (Who voted there) trying to go for the "easy lynch".
The lack of anything more from Brass's slot, (who's now asked for a replacement.)
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Are you going to share them?In post 659, Vedith wrote:
YesIn post 654, GeminiTwin12 wrote:@Vedith do you have any reads/thoughts?- GeminiTwin12
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What do you think about alacrity?
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Weirder things have happened...(addressing the sarcasm and potential trolling)In post 688, StarwingBeauvoi wrote:
That looks like a scum slip. But I'm not 100% sure it is. But then what else could it be?In post 686, Vedith wrote:Well that's Starwing town reading me. I guess we don't need to kill there tonight.
Oh, we could be partners, and you're sacrificing yourself to save me?- GeminiTwin12
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What's bothering youIn post 700, Vedith wrote:Okay I think I'm ready to vote Starwing.
Before so, give me a reason to vote Rooster?(obv. enough to consider a vote there)about their slot specifically?- GeminiTwin12
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Then you say this:In post 728, rosterfoster wrote:Vedith, please be more forthcoming. At some point it’s going to annoy me into mislynching you.
If you're "aware" that this is their playstyle (In your opinion), and you believe they're town, why would you mislynch them?In post 733, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah but Scum kind of wants to appear like they don’t understand it, like trying to semi-town slip. That’s more what I mean I think
Your whole style of play IMO is to provoke people into attacking you and get reactions (though this doesn’t work with people who know you better). Problem is I’ve hard-tunnelled town-you twice for exactly this and been wrong both times, so I think you’re town .- GeminiTwin12
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How come you're still voting that slot? How do you feel about alacrity?In post 776, Vedith wrote:I'm waiting for more.
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Who do you believe is more likely to be scum out of the two?In post 800, Merry and Pippin wrote:i'll cry no tears if you get lynched because you refuse to vote scum.- GeminiTwin12
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Star and Draco lucky (I'd be a bit annoyed if it turns out that both hydras are actually scum) I'm currently rereading things for.
So are yours, especially for the fact that I'm there from my POV.
I refused to give reasons because I was pissed off (Wasn't fair in hindsight, I'll admit) for not paying close enough attention to the fact that I didn't see what was going on until it was too late and for that fact that in that scenario, with the votes and how it transpired it didn't make sense for me to be scum and I thought I was basically dead after that.- GeminiTwin12
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