Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Taly]

VOTE: 8-Ball

[Taly]

discussing 8ball or who is 8ball defeats the purpose of why we voted for the 8ball within 2 pages without any stated gamesolvey posts.

Creature is town

pretty easy read, is it based off activity meta (thats slowly becoming outdated) like most

creature

reads?

I now have 4 reads.

the longer you hold off on telling them the bigger the pay off i expect

i wonder if i can just get away with posting GIFs of game of thrones characters drinking but 90% of that would be tyrion or cersei often within the same scene.

p-edit

VOTE: okapoka

- Dann

quick time to counter! VOTE: Nancefloor

[Taly]

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

[Taly]

k

[Taly]

Talk to me about

OkaPoka

and

Nancefloor

.

Specifically the votes on

Oka

and 75.

p-edit

what's

Dann's

reason for voting

Oka

?

and is my vote on

Dann

the only thing about 99 that caught your attention?

if so, i need better GIFs

[Taly]

Nancy

, I don't remember the last time you saw me as scum, and the last time I saw you saying me

"me being a town leader is a scum-tell"

was when you were scum,

Merchant's Daughter

.

So is your answer to 107 that you ONLY are interested in my vote on your hydra and debate that I could be scum for getting a feel of the playerlist?

p-edit

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

I really don’t like this post. Nothing Clem posted was scummy.

did I say he did anything scummy?

[Taly]

112 - What can be genuine when I'm still building reads on the game TO be genuine?

Talk to me about

OkaPoka

and

Nancefloor

.

Specifically the votes on

Oka

and 75.

p-edit

what's

Dann's

reason for voting

Oka

?

and is my vote on

Dann

the only thing about 99 that caught your attention?

if so, i need better GIFs

Dann didn’t like the fact, that he voted someone who claimed to have 2 reads but didn’t inquire about them.

this was context left out of the vote

p-edit

So, I mentioned the town leader thing in a game where I was scum, so that of course makes me scum here, right?

Are you even actually trying to sort us?

You haven’t even explained why you hated his vote so much and you’re looking for any reason to push us. Tell me I’m wrong here. I want to tr you.

1)

Never said you were scum. I'm pointing out that trying to meta me at this point for presuming my intentions about the game lead to nowhere.

2)

Yeah I'm trying to sort you, why do you think my vote's staying?

3)

Never said I hated his vote or had a problem with you. I'm replying to you because-

-

You showed interest in my vote to

Dann

above other parts of my other post

-

You've made about 2 posts so far saying you dislike my posts - and at the moment you're not alone with your thinking here 1112 - so I wanted to pick your brain on that and clarify myself at the same time.

-

Want to strike conversation with BOTH heads of your hydra.

[Taly]

Time Devil

, is the head that wrote 73 here to reply to 99?

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

Nancy

, other than possibly mine, do you have any question marks about any posts?

fuck want to add more but parents are coming in with groceries

[Taly]

Ouch, Nancy is mad at me

Hi Taly .o/

I supplied my vote without context because I like to see reactions to naked votes and I can always add full transparency later.

Why specifically did you find our vote the most interesting to poke at/sort out of the Okapoka votes?

1)

It was the 3rd vote on an early wagon, I feel the easiest votes to overlook are ones that are posed after the first. I'm aware this isn't always true, so I'm playing for my own clarity. 80 83 91

yes, ik

kittybells

voted

creature

and then revoted

oka

recently but i processed

oka

as easily vote-able

2)

I'm familiar with both heads of this hydra so why not start solving at the confident points, lul?

3)

I really didn't have a reason. The above 2 bullets are true but filler

4)

If I focused on one thing specifically, I get attention called to me.

5)

I vibe with

Oka's

134 because it follows the same branch of thinking I had with my response to

mbaki

in 99.

...hence why I asked

Clem

to evaluate

Oka

as

kittybells+your hydra

are doing at this moment.

lots of stuff happen early-game and i wanna be IN THAT SHIT.

[Taly]

I now have 4 reads.

I now have 4 lockscum reads.

i miss having votes on me

but like, is

Time Devil

one of them?

[Taly]

creature

, are you going to do what

nancy

does and chronologically make one-quote-reply-posts about things that happened at least 1-2 pages ago - and half the time what you're quoting about is already resolved?

p-edit

no don't skip all page 5, am i and/or

Time Devil

lockscum?

p-edit again omfg

ooh, am i one?

[Taly]

kittybells

me dumb and is half-shitposting+half-gamesolving if its not clear

(i had some inspirations for this posting approach )

i want to ask u about

oka

and

mbaki

but i think an explanation wastes something here so im just posting about this and noting it for later unless you want to be transparent

p-edit

Time Devil

, you didn't reply to my mention of the townread on

Creature

or... reply to me about the posts you thought weren't genuine + my response.

[Taly]

well, ive made enough noise as id like for the moment and have some inklings of reads

satisfied, gonna go fight my cravings about sweets because im restricting my daily sugar and sodium intake c:



hmu at leisure

@playerlist

, questions tend to get my gears going.

[Taly]

same page since last night? i thought people were going to :EFFORT: 153 187 195 204 210

well actually, i think i enjoy this pace for a large. to hell with going through 50 pages in 24 hours.

good job playerlist

i like this playerlist - too bad i have 2 scumleans and only 1 townlean that id publicly voice atm and i can tell thats a slightly BS read

VOTE: Clemency

13 posts and none of them have given me an impression on where to even start sorting you. I have AT LEAST an approach to sort or have a read on everyone else who has posted more than you.

{OkaPoka, RadiantCowbells, Nancefloor, Creature, Taly}

for context of people who've posted more.

Perhaps this will help you

reintegrate

your vibe for mafia.

choochoo

also

VOTE: chennisden

I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.

Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there. If so let us know.

if i could split a vote, it would be here.

[Taly]

i'd give it about an 85% chance for me to be the 8-ball

this way if i'm wrong i can claim it was the 15%

Thanks for the reminder that discussing who could be the

8-Ball

is pure WIFOM.

I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't respond to 107, as the first part was directed to you.

I don't think your lack of focus is town-indicative.

[Taly]

ugh... just light these past 2 pages on fire

[Taly]

VOTE: chennisden

I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.

Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there. If so let us know.

why so cautious?

And yea. its been my observation over the past month that chen is competent but too quiet and kind of low hanging in the early game.

Do you think Chen is a valid 8ball target?

1)

How can you tell whether

Chenn

is or isn't? Regardless of their alignment, there's no definitive way to tell if someone is 8ball based off superficial playstyle, so why does that any impact on your read here?

2)

I assume you townread

Oka

or don't vibe with the votes on them?

8-Ball Thoughts

RadiantCowbells - Never 8-Ball
mbaki - Never 8-Ball
OkaPoka - Possible, but I believe that they would be overlooked.
Time Devil (TemporalLich + Baezu) - Could be, but similar to OkaPoka, but a little less.
Shoshin - Hasn’t even picked up yet, this is never 8-Ball
Vedith - Never 8-Ball
Creature - Hmm, could go either way, but I don’t think this is ever 8-Ball.
Taly - Never 8-Ball
Confirmation Bias (??? + ???) - I guess we could be 8-Ball. Kind of odd to comment on this.
Clemency - If familiar, High chance of being 8-ball
NanceFloor (Nancy Drew 39 + Dannflor) - Medium-low chance at being 8-Ball.
Chennisden - If town, and scum are familiar with the playlist, highest chance at being 8-Ball, but for that reason, might not be 8-Ball.
Chemist1422 - eh.
0verkill - eh
BrightEyedFish - same as Clemency.
Shadowlesscloud - Replacement coming in is too risky. Not 8-Ball.
Fuscosco - High chance at being 8-Ball.

Conf

VOTE: Confirmation Bias

1)

Why are you focusing on the

8ball

? We didn't speedvote

8ball

so we can try to figure out who was likely voted for it. That's pretty much the opposite intention here.

2)

How did you come to the conclusion on who is more lynchbaity than not? Playstyle? Meta? I don't know either head of your hydra, so I assume you don't have adequate amount of familiarity with me or other players to deduce this about me.

And if you did, that makes me question your motivations even more.

3)

How can you say

{Me/mbaki/RadiantCowbells/etc.}

will NEVER be

8-Ball

?

What if we were scum who 8-balled ourselves

and were baiting our lynch?

What if we were scum who 8-balled someone else

because we didn't plan to get lynched?

What if we were town who got 8-balled BECAUSE

we were

"not lynchbaity, therefore a safe lynch"

?

What if we were town who didn't get 8-balled, BUT

we are a good

"this person is playing like X and Y on playstyle, so we can lynch/townbloc them!"

Town can't strategize on this basis, and scum can ONLY strategize based off CONTROLLING how people will get lynched via looking at their

"lynchbait equity"

... Which isn't too helpful pre-8ball-vote, since we didn't start the game with

"I think this person is town or scum!"

4)

You're saying people who are lynchbaity can likely be 8ball and this is true, but you're making radical assumptions about people's alignments and motives before even interacting with the game. This is extremely agenda-based play and no town player can evaluate a

"readslist"

like this and find clarity on how to solve for who is town or scum.

This post is just WIFOM and if you were in the original startup of this game and knew why people voted

8ball

then that makes this worse.

Here’s one person that’s never 8 ball- dann...from what I’ve seen he never gets lynched day 1 so I think we’re all safe going there

if you guys want to fuck around and lol-lynch people based on

"this person's playstyle makes them not lynchbaity, they're a safe lynch!"

versus actually scumreading and solving the game then wait for a marathon to come around and openwolf when its less obvious in a short-term game

@Mod, can I link the original start of this game?
It didn't end on normal completion terms so I wanted to know if I'm not missing any particular site rule nobody talks about.

Some people lost my trust in them being able to do their homework.

[Taly]

[Taly]

oh my god i need a minute

[Taly]

ok minute is over.

[Taly]

kittybells

... im having trouble here



level with me and be my

shoshin

?

[Taly]

And I don't feel like moving my vote to anything else atm.

[Taly]

Nancy

, I'm trying to find town. I have more scumreads than I'd like.

[Taly]

Nancy

, your 10-minute interval of trying to think up of someone that has posted today who is town has ended. Have a good day

I'll just see if the fire gets fanned or burned out without posting.

[Taly]

Spoiler: My reply to 313, spoiling so it's not an eyesore for you people that will skim and read when this post is referenced later

Can't answer some of the questions for Conf, but:
2. Bad assumption, you not knowing our identities doesn't imply we can't be familiar with your style. And yes, obviously one would come to a conclusion of whether a player is "lynchbaity" based on playstyle and prior propensity towards getting lynched.
3. If a player's not lynchable D1, it would be stupid for scum to pick that player as 8-ball; therefore they never will be. If they do turn out to be 8-ball, that's good for town. Scum 8-balling themselves and baiting their lynch is a terrible move for scum, especially if it's a scum player who carries their team.

I agree that town can't strategize on this basis necessarily, we'll just have to be more careful sorting scummy town vs scum; there's no point speculating over the 8-ball.

4. Quote the "radical assumptions" and "motives"? I haven't really interacted with my partner about the list yet but it looks pretty obvious it's a list of "who's likely to be 8-ball as town"? Also, "RC won't be the 8-ball" is a conclusion that follows regardless of whether RC is town or scum. It doesn't require any "radical assumption" about anyone's alignment.

Yes, the post is a bit WIFOMy.

You've spent a lot of words saying this, but I don't see the scum motivation for posting a "likely 8-ball" list?

Yeah, I put a lot of words in to explain my argument in 270 but I don't think either of your head understood the point I was making because posts like 276 313.

If you did agree with what I was saying like in the italicized/underlined, why challenge my points here?

What is

"poor"

about a WIFOM post having scum-motivation? I think making any

8-Ball

readslist is unhelpful, I think you being the first to explicitly focus on that angle is scum-indicative as an veils an agenda approach of play.

I'm done reiterating myself. I don't follow how you came to the conclusion of your townreads - specifically

Clemency

- you didn't list any town-game as a reference to your read there, and the

8-Ball

list implies that you're content with lynching and shelving a certain pool of players and the few reads you've mentioned reflect that list - you haven't given explanation beyond

"this person is mislynch bait, this seems like town-them"

for your assessments 241 so I can't judge that your reads are genuine as they stand.

This pathetic activity and content pace is making it very hard for me to stick to this playstyle I'm attempting.

RC, I'm placing the burden on you friend. Make this less shitty. Push Oka for his bad Shadow vote, give a Creature read, do something please. Create content.

We have 5 days left and

14 pages of garbage.

The bolded seems to be at odds with having +/-7 reads.

If you have that much clarity on the game, then I don't follow your issue with the gamestate and/or playerlist, as there's been content and there's not an influx of fluff that comes with most large games.

If you're going to prod people selectively to do something, at least evaluate what they're doing right now and entertain the

kittybells

vote on

Confbias

.

I still scumread

Confbias

even after reading their recent posts - am I getting tunnel vision here?

Also, I agree with

Fusc's

305.

[Taly]

What's going on?

read my ISO and start from there?

what's the general synopsis of what's gone on so far creature?

you too

also hi

ank <3

:451103834295762954:

also, am i being too aggressive atm?

[Taly]

This pathetic activity and content pace is making it very hard for me to stick to this playstyle I'm attempting.

RC, I'm placing the burden on you friend. Make this less shitty. Push Oka for his bad Shadow vote, give a Creature read, do something please. Create content.

We have 5 days left and 14 pages of garbage.

I think it might be due to the fact that there was not really an RVS section thst got everyone loosened up. We went all in with the 8ball vote and it feels like it made the game motionless.

I'll throw my vote on Oka and maybe some more will follow so we can at least get something more tangible to work with.

VOTE: Oka

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79272

This was the original start of the game. You can read the first few pages to understand why

8-Ball

was voted first.

[Taly]

Here's a take on my mentality + a few of my reads rn:

I haven't replied to

Confbias

because I both want to look at other slots and because their responses on Page 15 feel like a side-step to my counterpost, but I want to shift my tone to be less harsh at the moment.

I don't understand the

Clemency

townreads. :/ They feel lazy.
The back of my mind has entertained

Clemency

being a buddy to or being pocketed by

Confbias

but that's pre-flip spec that I'm not going into.

Overki11

is in hiding atm, so I distrust the townreads they have made because

"slow gamestate + only townreads = slower"

I'm actively not direct-solving

Nancefloor

. I didn't like any Page 5

Nancy

post, and I thought the strong townread on me and

Oka

from

Dann

was a bit quick. I unvoted this slot to avoid a 1v1 that would clog the thread.

222 was supposed to ping people for several reasons:

1)

I wanted people to ask me questions about my reads to get the game going... preferably 2 scumleans at the time, and that only townlean I'd voice that's 'kinda BS'

2)

Up until the past 2-3 pages, I've been one of the only people pushing a unique scumread.

3)

Trying to hold on to a consistent level of confidence as I solve the game... I want to be less wishy-washy and not overlook things, so I'm not approaching every slot with the same gamesolve approach and I'm incorporating gamestate more to help my reads progress.

p-edit

the list is fine but that doesn't help me solve

mbaki

individually much

ooh

clem

did something.

[Taly]

Will the real town please stand up?

hi i'm town so you should start calling me scum

I don't think you're scum though

girl ive been sittin all day

p-edit

.....

[Taly]

I mindmelded with

Ank

on a few things, I'm discerning on what's AI or not.

I don't get why you focus solely on

Ank's

scumread on you versus the other 3 scumreads and several townreads she listed

Nancy

[Taly]

[Taly]

I don't think I have good meta on either of your heads even if I knew the other one.

@Confbias

Do you have any scumreads right now? Shitty bland question, but you're mostly voicing townreads and it seems counterproductive with the gamestate.

p-edit

ugh

nancy

if youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.

[Taly]

Actually, I townlean

Ank

because her catchup did bring a conversationalist type discussion to multiple players within the game.

While that can be naive knowing how

Ank

could operate, I don't think her stream-of-consciousness would be this detailed as scum. She didn't outright start the game with a post-by-post catchup so this feels less like an easy narrative-build and more like creating a gamestate more conducive to solving.

Reading

Ank

based off her reads is usually not an effective means to solve her from my experience, you need to look at how she interacts with the game's progression rather than the people.

p-edit

kittybells

pls no tunnels but scumcases?

<3

p-edit again

ehhh, I guess I'll look up

Flavor

meta and see if I'm voting playstyle, but I'm still not too clear on your slot. You have no opinions on the recent votes and current wagons?

[Taly]

taly if you're my friend you'll vote flavor leaf.

my vote is on them lul

but other than the tunnel, why was your vote on them in the first place?

[Taly]

Well fuck.

This is a lot of conflicting information to filter at once.

>

I mindmelded with

kittybells'

original post on scumreading

Clem/Confbias

- now they're just pushing them because

Flavor

is in the hydra as a PL...

>Confbias

is reminding me a bit much on how I tend to scumread people on playstyle.... or people tend to always tell me I scumread playstyle.... Nobody has said anything otherwise in support/against this notion.

I keep p-editing and taking out and adding new thoughts to this post... and I need to go eat.

etnhrefqwbw bjrkgefwqn3rfewnv fliw3dnxesv

[Taly]

who is kittybells?

RadiantCowbells

, I call him

kittybells

as a nickname c:

I'll evaluate/re-evaluate if necessary when I post later, which is probably later tonight but could be tomorrow because school and food.

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

I skimmed but I'll reread and post in a few hours.

But yeah, asking me questions and assessing my posts are the best ways to keep me engaged and help me solidify on a perspective so...

[Taly]

Creature is town?

[Taly]

Creature is not town?

[Taly]

I forgot how little fun being town is in most playerlist on this site.

>: u dun liek playn w me?

but being serious, what is unfun here? How can this be mended?

[Taly]

@ankle

no particular order, tentative readslist upon skimming

town

ankle
kittybells
mbaki
confbias
clem
creature

sorting

chenn
oka
BEF
fusc
chem
shadow
shoshin slot

scum

overki11
dann slot
time devil

i dont like my townread category atm, mainly because if half of them are town as i think they most likely are, they need to actually :EFFORT: and show a shred of transparency about their thoughts in the game.... otherwise, me voicing a townread on them feels wasted.

oka/chenn

might be in a town category but i need to look at their posting the past few pages as they provided some juicy interactions

overki11

can get lynched. them painting your read on them as a tunnel was both a deflection and a weak defense. i see nothing of substance that suggest town-motivation.

the reason my vote isnt there is because i havent read the game with full comprehension yet and if theyre town they should realize that the scumread on them has credibility.

[Taly]

fuck the whole

confbias

hydra got replaced

i was wanting to see

clem's

solve there after awhile

[Taly]

Spoiler: This spoiler encompasses replies to 4 Chenn Posts / 1 mbaki / 1 Dann / 1 Overki11 / 1 Fusc / 1 Confbias Who Repped But Should Be Read

how would you guys feel if you had repeatedly asked someone to leave you alone and they insisted on joining your games and using secret alts to evade being wotmed?

RC I can understand you are frustrated but please let's lynch scum. Dann is scum let's lynch him please

I'd like to hear why

Dann

is the more notable reason to scumread

Nancefloor

, as I find more issue with

Nancy's

posts for reasons that I will not answer immediately after this post when she feels compelled to ask.

You’ve also seen town me a few times now, I believe, so what makes you see that differently?

Looks advantage seeking, if you know what i mean. agenda based.

anyway if you are town kill scum with me.

Sure. You think Nancy replaces out here as scum? I generally like to think RC vs FL comes off as good for scum (i n the end it normally isn’t, I don’t think the combination of RC and I have ever lost besides one newbie game, but I won’t get into that game.)

Replace-outs and threats to replace-out are, and will always be, NAI.

Nancy

threatened to replace-out in

Merchant's Daughter

as scum, but people townread her for it.

There's nothing AI by

Nancy

replacing out and then lol-replacing-in even if her in-thread reasons for doing so were injected with emotion. 529

okay rephrase

are you being confident to get people to sheep you

or you are you very sure that this flips scum to the point where you are willing to sabotage the future to get this lynched asap

im v sure this flips scum.

Even if you think so, why not answer them?

You've stated you had an idea over an

Oka

read, but this is the most eye-catching post about your scumread of them these past few pages.

Let's all get off our vanity wagons and actually lynch someone. We have 4 days and no consensus.

you're looking for a consensus, but

Oka's

been a gamelong consensus for virtually no reason other than 2 people giving a definitive scumread amidst the multiple on/off

Why not entertain

overki11

or

mbaki

as they've acquired attention?

If I thought Chennisden was scum, I would be voting them. They are and have been closer to town. Just, if they are scum, there is good partner equity for Dann, who I also do not have as a town read.

I am holding my reads as much as I can. I am town, and it is a waste to pursue me right now.

If you think

Chenn

is closer to town, why did you bring up an idea of them being SvS with

Dann

? You don't scumread them independently?

a town mislynch is strictly better than a no-lynch!

....Why do you say this after you vote

Oka

in 653? This post does not connect to how confident your scumread on him is.

With the above posts in mind, your shift off

Nancefloor

575 620 because you thought a wagon wouldn't come up within the hour or so you were online reads opportunistic.

VOTE: Confirmation Bias

What concerns do you have with us?

-Bias

It's not game related.

Dann

, are you feeling de-motivated? I thought you'd be attempting to gamesolve more directly with the thread here...

just click on the post link for full post damnit ~taly

625 is wolfy and I cant really see any town motivation behind the post, im saying its a possbilty although unlikely (ish)
I havent played with them before, and will have a quick look at their playstyle later

The scumread over 625 feels surface level.

Has your

Chenn

townread remained for the past 400 posts, if so, why?

Like I dont particularly like being SRed by you in every freaking game you hop in.

why do people care so much about being scumread?

Does this affect your read of

Ank

and do you have any opinion on

Chenn/Oka/mbaki/overki11/nancefloor

these past few pages?

p-edit

mbaki

, you've given reasons for your mentality toward the whole playerlist over two to three slots. I don't know if that's the whole reason.

What's an example of playing a fun game? :3 Level with me.

[Taly]

*scribbles in notes:

"how do i approach or engage with creature and clemency to read them more effectively"

*

actual footage of taly's mental database-

[Taly]

Dann, are you feeling de-motivated? I thought you'd be attempting to gamesolve more directly with the thread here...

I was feeling somewhat so at that point.

But I feel better today and I'll get my reads list going as well. (I'll also stop talking about it and just do it after this post)

That vote was just because I wasn't completely happy with the one on TD and I wanted to show support for RC at the time. I was still interacting directly with the thread and trying to sort at the time outside of that vote so I'm unsure what you're getting at.

- Floor

the bolded is what im getting at, ty for coming to my ted talk

[Taly]

Nancy

, did any part of my post say that you were scum for replacing out here in 812? Or you were scum for AtE?

These were my exact words.

There's nothing AI

by Nancy replacing out and then lol-replacing-in even if her in-thread reasons for doing so were injected with emotion. 529

You come to conclusions and make assumptions that aren't there, and I don't think you're reading my posts thoroughly. THIS is a reason why I'm scumreading your slot.

You did this all page 5 and shifted your focus on me the second I unvoted you

(which wasn't a scumreading vote)

and it was mentioned that I was likely town by someone else. You and

Dann's

early-strong townread on me does not feel congruent to your approach and I'm not going to do another back-and-forth with you if you're more focused on trying to find suspicion or a resolution in my posts outside of the content I give.

[Taly]

Why do you townread me? You can give meta as a reason but I don't just want to hear meta.

I'd ask

Dann

too but I presume he'll just incorporate it in his readslist.

Could you also link the posts that outline your major points about

Time Devil

?

And why is

Overki11

a townread? Lynchbaity is not a read nor is it usually a strong reason to back up one.

[Taly]

I'll get to

Dann's

reads soon, I can't be lengthy as I'm about to go out.

Fusc

, are you new to mafia?

IE, you aren't an alt nor do you have any play experience with mafia prior to your joindate.

mbaki

, I replied to one of your posts in 812, do you intend to answer that?

If I thought Chennisden was scum, I would be voting them. They are and have been closer to town. Just, if they are scum, there is good partner equity for Dann, who I also do not have as a town read.

I am holding my reads as much as I can. I am town, and it is a waste to pursue me right now.

If you think

Chenn

is closer to town, why did you bring up an idea of them being SvS with

Dann

? You don't scumread them independently?

[Taly]

@Creature

Page 33, namely because I responded to all the posts from pages 21-33 that got my attention, and I interacted with

Nancefloor

more, who is/was a scumread.

((Not verifying this read at the moment.))

you can also look at page 31, thats another set of eyes on

ank

since they're generally not a clear read. +a half-assed readslist I did.

also, any page that helped you conclude

mbaki

is scum would be something I'd like to know about.

p-edit

I'll get to

Dann's

reads soon, I can't be lengthy as I'm about to go out.

Fusc

, are you new to mafia?

IE, you aren't an alt nor do you have any play experience with mafia prior to your joindate.

mbaki

, I replied to one of your posts in 812, do you intend to answer that?

If I thought Chennisden was scum, I would be voting them. They are and have been closer to town. Just, if they are scum, there is good partner equity for Dann, who I also do not have as a town read.

I am holding my reads as much as I can. I am town, and it is a waste to pursue me right now.

If you think

Chenn

is closer to town, why did you bring up an idea of them being SvS with

Dann

? You don't scumread them independently?

I do not intend to answer it. It is not the only one of your questions to me I have ignored, friend.

it's better than giving a half-baked, shitty answer, amirite?

I need to go. You plan to vote either tonight or tomorrow, yes?

[Taly]

Fusc, are you new to mafia? IE, you aren't an alt nor do you have any play experience with mafia prior to your joindate.

Do i sound new? honest question?

Phonepost

Somewhat, it's mostly your join date. That's not a bad thing. But it will help me gauge your perspective and approach on the game.

*scribbles in notes: "how do i approach or engage with creature and clemency to read them more effectively"*

How do I approach a bear without getting attacked?

Lmfao, posts like 888 help

[Taly]

I interacted with

Nancefloor

more, who is/was a scumread.

((Not verifying this read at the moment.))

How are you still sr us here Taly? I really don’t understand this at all. I hope we don’t need to flip before you figure out how off your read on us is. How did your ability to read me get so wrong after SC2 ?

I am playing the exact same way here. Just open up your eyes. You can’t miss it.

What part of the bolded did you not understand?

This is just funny at this point.

[Taly]

I'M NOT GIVING A DEFINITIVE READ YET BECAUSE I AM STILL SORTING.

I'M NOT GIVING A DEFINITIVE READ YET BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE'S READS PROGRESS BEFORE I MAKE A FURTHER ASSESSMENT.

STOP PULLING MY TEETH FOR AN ANSWER THAT I'VE SAID I WON'T GIVE YET.

The more you focus on ONLY interacting with me BECAUSE of my read on YOU, the MORE I am DISTRACTED from evaluating BOTH OF YOUR HEADS so I can have a better understanding of BOTH of your approaches this game OUTSIDE OF JUST A READ.

I'm not mad at you

Nancy

, but I do not have any other clue as to how I can make this clearer.

Talk to me

(or about me)

around something else OTHER than my read on you, or leave me be.

[Taly]

I'm done trying to explain myself to you. I want to speak with

Dann

and reply to readslist as he's expressed a desire to do for me, as I also want to focus on other slots and gather a stronger idea of the playerlist before deadline. I don't have time or interest in this.

[Taly]

I regret typing my last 2 posts.

Kittybells

, I don't follow

TD

or

Chenn

as town, why am I wrong?

Granted, I also wish I looked at

TD

more today and will do so tomorrow.

p-edit

.o/

- Floor

I want to be in bed within the next 20 minutes, so I'll reply to the rest of the reads tomorrow and give more thoughts. I built scumreads today but the thought of reevaluating has already come to me.

I will have a vote somewhere tomorrow for certain.

Taly

- I have you as lean town. Generally, I think the way you've been approaching this game is town indicative in the way you've been interacting with players and genuinely trying to sort them. You are constantly asking questions and then actually following through on those questions and forming conclusions—which is the biggest missing part in scum play similar to your play here. I also think the way you backed off of us in 406 is pretty town motivated, especially because I (think?) you're fairly familiar with Nancy as a player. It benefits scum a lot more than town to gladiate Nancy and clog up the thread. You still clearly attempting to solve us but in an indirect manner is more effort towards our slot than I think scum would give and a much more town oriented mindset to approaching us than trying to force a 1v1.

However, a few of your posts have raised some ?? as I'm reading and I'm hoping you can walk me through your thought processes because it's preventing me from town reading you as strongly as I'd like.

ugh nancy if youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.

For example, in regards to the above, I feel like you

know

that's Nancy's specialty regardless of alignment (sorry Nancy I love you) and thus this kind of observation feels fake. In fact, because of your assertion that you wouldn't be direct solving us earlier, I feel like this was already implicit in your approach to us. Anyway, I'm mostly curious why you haven't been trying to directly interact and sort me more? Especially if the Nance head isn't giving you what you want. You've shot me a question here and there but nothing that makes me feel like you're actively trying to solve me. Maybe I'm partially to blame because I've let Nancy be the more active head, but I would like to interact with you more.

Specifically, can you talk to me about your push on Confirmation Bias earlier and why you thought 8-ball speculation was scum indicative? And I don't necessarily think WIFOM = scum here.

1)

No, I don't know

Nancy's

meta well enough to evaluate that suspecting and focusing on people who scumread her is an NAI

"specialty"

, and if its just a playstyle thing, then she's the first person I won't automatically think is scum-motivated for doing it. Regardless, it's not a helpful means to solve for her or for the people she's speaking with despite how she reads them.

2)

From my understanding - or my personal interactions, I haven't seen as much as you

Dann

as

Nancy

the conversationalist.

Plus, I haven't focused too much on reading you as people seem to have more of an opinion on your head than

Nancy

, at first I wanted people to explain their thoughts on why you're scum but I'm just taking this into my own hands as nothing else so far has helped really.

3)

I thought I beat this to death in 270 and my later reply to 313... but there's no grounding for town to evaluate someone's reads or push in a game based on looking solely at the 8-Ball mechanic and making assumptions on how scum has and is responding to the power - so it's incredibly easy to falsify reads or focus on a narrative that benefits scum.

I feel like the spew from

Flavor

did not read as scum on the two times I've skimmed through it, and unfortunately, I could see town doing something similar creating the

8-Ball

list. This slot replaced out so I'm not focusing anymore here atm.

WIFOM is not scum-indicative in itself, but how it's incorporated can very easily be and that's how I based my original read on

Confbias

.

[Taly]

I want hugs.

[Taly]

nancy

post kitty or puppy gifs

dann

do something

dann

would do

kittybells

make me question my life decisions and then reaffirm me

mbaki

meme bully me

[Taly]

wth, am I the only person that's still sorting

chenn

atm?

I wanted

chenn

to reply to 812 but apparently he nor anybody else knew that post existed.

Reading

TD's

ISO will bring more clarity when it has less density involving

Nancy

, but I'm not feeling the 1v1 with her is scum-motivated. Not feeling this lynch.

kittybells

and

mbaki

are gonna make me metadive

shoshin

, fuck.

id rather not base an entire read off that with a replace-in giving more content than multiple gamestart-old players into the thread?

Yeah, I don't like

BEF's

posts yet it's harder to gauge their perspective on the game atm since they disappeared whenever this game got momentum.

also, i feel like multiple people noted some level of scumread on

overki11

but

ank

is the only person there... i want to know why she asked me for reads yesterday and why does 1125 exist?

am i getting townread for garbage reads? FFS

shadow

hasnt posted in two days, so they either spew content or they're getting prodded. they havent posted onsite since 347 so im not on board with pushing that here.

[Taly]

cheers to being a shit player in mafia

wheeeee



i best get some replies AND QUESTIONS thrown at me soon

i have a trigonometry test today so my activity will be higher later today i project.

[Taly]

I dont think it's the qualities of your reads that make you towny, it's your cluelessness and actual genuineness. Basically what nancefloor was saying about BEF but, you know, actually true. The reason Chenn us town is because they're actually trying and the only other game I had with them they didnt, and the pt showed they weren't just lurking because of irl stuff. Do you think shadow disappearing is AI?

Was this game you are talking about where

Chenn

was scum? Can you link it?

Shadow

disappearing is NAI if its an entire siteflake, and I checked when I wrote 1130 that they haven't posted anywhere else.

Don't lynch
RadiantCowbells
Time Devil (TemporalLich + Baezu)
Ankamius
Creature
Taly
Confirmation Bias (??? + ???)
chennisden

The rest can all die imo

I don't vibe with the

mbaki

scumreads, but I don't have disagreements here except I want to interact with

chenn

1-on-1.

speaking of

mbaki

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

is this following

RC's

argument or?

i expected a bit more articulate vote rtefwsbtrgef

[Taly]

VOTE: overki11

going to go prepare for math test

[Taly]

@tcmk

I think it’s extremely perceptive of you to not conflate my playstyle with my alignment, which seems to be the basis for any of the srs on us.

You’re not asking this here but I also really like your other posts about Taly and others and yeah,

I think you can read us correctly, so that makes me have some faith in your other reads.

When people can’t read me correctly, it’s hard for me to trust their reads on others slots, for obvious reasons.

~ND

Sr nancefloor

bef mbaki.
Its 0030 I dead goodnight

Also who is shadow I havent seen them all game

[Taly]

i cant breathe

this is just too much

this thread is a good laugh

[Taly]

oh my god i laughed so much i cried

my brother has next to 0 clue of what mafia is and found this just as funny as i did

[Taly]

I wanted to bait more people to discuss

overki11

and actually have them try to interact with me more directly, but I think I've caught on.

It's probably going to be a while before I can put together a real case. Nancefloir shouldn't be the lynch because I'm not 100% about it not being playstyle. The sea come from their almost exclusively AtE reasoning, a couple of weird almost slippy posts that I think I've shared a few of and the fact that all their srs are omgus. Bef sounds so increadibly stilted and unnatural. Mbaki... I had a reason but I'll have to remember what tired me was looking at. I think some obvious towns are taly, chenn, and oka. And again, I dont know who shadow less cloud is

You have one post to tell me why my scumread on

Nancefloor

was OMGUS. 406 768 821 955 (Better yet, point out what reads are OMGUS.)

And another to sell me on why

kittybells/mbaki/time devil

are all white noise here.

You have until after I leave the house, finish my test, go get immunizations, and then return. I'm leaving now.



The wine signifies the sand of an hourglass.

[Taly]

I wanted to bait more people to discuss

overki11

and actually have them try to interact with me more directly, but I think I've caught on.

It's probably going to be a while before I can put together a real case. Nancefloir shouldn't be the lynch because I'm not 100% about it not being playstyle. The sea come from their almost exclusively AtE reasoning, a couple of weird almost slippy posts that I think I've shared a few of and the fact that all their srs are omgus. Bef sounds so increadibly stilted and unnatural. Mbaki... I had a reason but I'll have to remember what tired me was looking at. I think some obvious towns are taly, chenn, and oka. And again, I dont know who shadow less cloud is

You have one post to tell me why my scumread on

Nancefloor

was OMGUS. 406 768 821 955 (Better yet, point out what reads are OMGUS.)

And another to sell me on why

kittybells/mbaki/time devil

are all white noise here.

You have until after I leave the house, finish my test, go get immunizations, and then return. I'm leaving now.



The wine signifies the sand of an hourglass.

This has nothing to do with the quoted post? I dont think your vote is omgus, I think the opposite. I also havent read rc or timedevil so ? Mbaki I for some reason sred last night but I dont have a huge reason to today beyond an icky feeling

Wait, you were meaning

Nancy's

scumreads were OMGUS? Well, this is embarassing.

....oh yeah. 1210 was right.

Still, you haven't even glanced at the votes placed onto you. You entered the thread by making the ewww statement of

kittybells

being

8ball

, but also haven't recognized the push made toward you. 969

I feel like it's an easy angle to simply state that

BEF

is

"obvscum"

here 992, but I don't understand why you state he's obvscum and then also continue to put up scumreads that are neither well-reasoned or have much thought placed behind it. 1074 1117

You've listed posts with vague commentary and so far the majority of your thoughts don't have much grounding that suggest they are genuine. 979 1176

If

mbaki

feels

"icky"

but not necessarily a scumread, why not work to resolve that?

Two things I would like to discuss for fun, 1 why did you originally start mafia and 2 what power are you most looking forward to. I started mafia because I enjoy the roles, but I continue because I think it helps me read people irl. I am excited about using the all town group thing

1)

Something to pass the time. I like to think critically and this is also a social-ish game. Lowkey wish I got noticed more for my insights or what I bring to the table in problem-solving. Every mafia game is different so it's not boring or too repetitive.

2)

No specific power, tbh. I like to evaluate the powers collectively and evaluate what's the best course of action for town to solve with the least amount of issues as possible. IE, PoE-based powers are not for early-game, and it seems very possible to avoid NKs while also generating both conftown players and limiting who are likely scum. Some powers are just fun fuckery that help reads.

What was the point of this post? And what were you expecting from

BEF

upon him answering you?

[Taly]

Yea, I might just site flake again for another year.

You're one of my most confident townreads. X_X

You don't have to answer my questions, but help me see your perspective of the game a bit more clearly? Or engage?

[Taly]

id be jealous if you did

kittybells

</3

[Taly]

oh fuck i wasnt planning to show presence in thread just yet

fml shitposting is hardwork

also

*stares skeptically at near-universal townread on me*

[Taly]

oh fuck i wasnt planning to show presence in thread just yet

fml shitposting is hardwork

also

*stares skeptically at near-universal townread on me*

If it makes you feel better, you're my second strongest scum read, but I'm too lazy to push you.

like ive waited 50 pages for someone to say this, ty

[Taly]

I did case shadowless? of course its a weak case but I don't see a stronger case on anyone? Maybe BEF has an argument to be made but nobody else is biting.

pedit: it means its a null read like most of my reads

I already said in one of my posts earlier today that

Shadow's

inactivity is NAI because I haven't seen their activity onsite at all. I don't know what you see as scum-indicative here, especially when you have plenty of null reads you aren't sorting through.

[Taly]

you can start critically evaluating my posts and giving thoughts on my slot as well,

oka

.

the lack of people doing so and the lack of cohesion in the game right now is not helping my motivation.

then again, im spending too much time on mafia than id like rn and im not feeling my best mentally.

[Taly]

kittybells

are you reading my posts? just curious

youre the least vocal about me but probably the best at reading me out of those who im familiar with.

[Taly]

as soon as we flip 1 scum we're using the 1 of 4 thing then we end the game with 2 consecutive attempts at coalition

we're on the same page on something wheeee

also might disappear until friday

[Taly]

i have disappeared for the day (maybe idk)

in my absence i leave this

Taly
{RC, Nancefloor}
{mbaki, Ankamius, Creature, Oka, Time Devil}
{BEF, Shadow, JE, Chemist, Chenn}

tcmk
fusc
overki11
clem

is this too hopeful?

should i :EFFORT: reasons for scum or towncase?

[Taly]

Why is

BEF

scum again?



like, I can think of 2, maybe 3 votes that detail a scumread behind it.

[Taly]

I'm about ready to promote BEF to a moderately strong townread solely based on that wagon composition

Nothing about the wagon has indicated to me that it's town-led thus far.

Either scum is full of the more seasoned side of the playerlist, or this game is very straight forward.

[Taly]

also

overki11

has posted on forum since april 23rd, when their last post was here.

i dont understand how this level of forced apathy in the game is town-motivated anymore.

p-edit

im LHF, right?

[Taly]

the thought has crossed my mind, im not 100% sold on them as scum - i want to hit scum, so im looking at my non-town or non-lynchpool more thoroughly

also, any point in this game so far where ive wanted to push people to give content or evaluate my posts, reads, or pushes, is pretty nonexistent

so im kind of sorting alone + trying to gauge the views of my townreads and see how much i merge with them.

[Taly]

is pretty nonexistent

as in people dont respond

i distrust some of the reads on me.

[Taly]

bef, can you produce a small list of reads?
nance, why is rc town and their read so important to you?

tcmk
fusc
overki11
clem

why is clem scum? why are half your team lurkers? why is tmnt scum? this is kind of lazy

the only person that can be considered a lurker here is

overki11

and none of their content is town-indicative off the first two times ive read it.

i think the

bef

wagon is lazy, and i disagree with you saying

RC

is full of shit. i think people are making surface level reads

clem

made 1/5th posts of content in relation to their ISO and then disappeared until they voted

BEF

.

tmck

is someone i plan to ISO again

why not ask about my read on you?

p-edit

mbaki

, youre not at a perfect accuracy score this game

[Taly]

Hint: I'm playing to not be universally townread, like most games I get pocketed in or townbloc scum.

[Taly]

It's easier to gauge how and why people form reads when they're not all the same, and they're not all having a similar approach to your slot.

I thought this would make people more reactive towards me... that's more helpful to solve than just Q&A x10.

And meh.

People overrate my scumgame. But my scumrange and townrange overlap a lot... People always want to say I'm a deepwolf, sometimes it's true.

But ewww. I'm done talking meta about myself rn, I want people to evaluate my reads on an individual level but nobody has.

Fusc

, who do you think I'm townleaning or not lynching that is scum?

And why do yuo think

tmck

is town? I don't want to hear just meta.

[Taly]

christ i did? im trying not to be MD-Taly XD

or at least NOT

MD-Taly-Deepwolf Paranoia+Townbloccing Scum While Being Told I'm Being Pocketed For Defending TOWN

more like

MD+Taly-That's Trying To Filter All The Bullshit

[Taly]

I don't want to hear just meta.

?che?


isnt he an alt?

he is? who?

[Taly]

who is themilk?

[Taly]

Spoiler: talys reads

town
ankle
kittybells
mbaki
confbias
clem
creature

sorting
chenn
oka
BEF
fusc
chem
shadow
shoshin slot

scum
overki11
dann slot
time devil

why do you scumread tmnt now? you dont here.

is their alt a secret? otherwise, i dont have prior experience to judge their slot.

if you want post links for me to strengthen the case, then lmk and ill expand - but here is a short synopsis.

1)

Came in with multiple scumreads that didn't have any sort of follow up, they're pushing onto

BEF

with the angle that they're obvscum but hasn't outlined their thought process behind it.

2)

When I prodded for them to give more material about the game rather than just a few selective vague statements about extremely early-game posts, they delivered nothing.

i need to leave now though

p-edit

And why do yuo think tmck is town?

Im not sure he is.

I was before.

I liked conf in general. Boons is a friend of sorts.
I liked his rqs, and response to being SRed for it
I liked him until about 1334. He starts defending chen, shading oka, and pushing onto me.

the bolded kind of weakens the reason for your townread in the first place greatly.

why is

bef

a better lynch than

tmck

and

overki11

?

and also, still want to know who you think is scum in my non-lynch/town area in 1467

[Taly]

Lol Titus is a fun addition to this game. Our current history:

One of us almost always scumreads the other - sometimes both ways, almost exclusively incorrectly on both sides.

We define what real 1v1s are which are entertaining in retrospect

When one dies, the other follows not long after regardless of both of our alignments - the exceptions to this are one of us endgaming or winning.

[Taly]

Most people meta me wrongly even after they've seen me as both alignments at least twice each.

Nothing specifically AI yet.

[Taly]

Most people meta me wrongly even after they've seen me as both alignments at least twice each.

Nothing specifically AI yet.

Trying to disrupt townreads on towny players is always AI

Valid point, but do you think mbaki is faking that he has a scumtell on me?

I don't know why he would be so vague with his reads if he knew that got a consistent level of suspicion on him. What agenda does his list and reads serve if it's not to gamesolve long term?

Plus, this isn't a flex, but I'm never the best choice to scumread if scum wants to survive.

I want to hear what you think is AI or scum motivated where I don't see.

[Taly]

priority should be avoid 8ball because i think coalition and 2x1of4 is p good

and we still have quiz -> reveal -> coalition

we just need 3 townies

coalition x2

is always preferable because it functions as later-game PoE tool if we're wrong the first time.

also mafia being unable to NK is always an added perk here, especially if

reveal

has conftowned someone prior.

[Taly]

ive written my max limit of 2 power-specific posts outside of when we vote for powers,

oka

talk to me about scum, specifically

tcmk

and why i should leave the

overki11

lynch/wagon/vote, other than the fact that im alone here and nobody is looking at this slot despite giving reads close to scum on it.



also

RC

responding to 1720 when you have a chance could really help me out ^_^

p-edit

oka

, i like

reveal>coalition x2

strategically but im not focusing on mechanics beyond that point atm.

[Taly]

i want to hear

kittybells

and

titus

out before the day ends.

and no, nobody on the

bef

wagon has remotely tried to convince me

bef

is the best lynch or is scum here. if they have, its too insubstantial for me to acknowledge.

p-edit

bef

just got l-1'ed by

oka

i believe

[Taly]

kittybells

said or at least hinted to casing or expanding on his reads at least 3 times.

and

ank

would be nice to hear from... why is she scum

fusc

?

and nah, reading back i dont think we're at L-1 at the moment, but id rather people actually try to rationalize

bef

being a good lynch and being very likely scum versus just saying he is and then other people voting because of a compromise.

my vote feels incredibly stagnant, and a lynch is best, but we have 40 hours left.

and no, im normally not the

"lets all drag out the day and talk! whee!"

but dayphases are only a week, so this isn't an excruciatingly long dayphase for the reward of lynching scum since i think scum has very well been voted for thus far. just not thinking its

bef

.

p-edit

Overkill is a good lynch too Taly, no need to feel bad. The wagons should be Overkill and TMCK, not BEF.

BEF wagon is pointless and anyone who’s town needs to gtf off of it.

~ND

I kinda want to, but I dont have another wagon option and it is better for bef to be mislynched than me

hold up, wasn't

BEF

on your scumlist? and your current vote?

Also, if I vote my sr, then they will 1v1 me and I need to wait until tomorrow for that. VeF is the person I want to lynch rn. No one has been able to convince me on their tr. Plus they fit with my other sr. VOTE: big eyes fish

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

[Taly]

why is she scum fusc?

what?

ank

... the person you're voting...

p-edit

@tcmk

1771
so you don't scumread

BEF

but you think they're a better mislynch - IE they're town?

the level of inconsistency and incoherence in your last 2 posts are very high.

[Taly]

what's my bigger concern

tcmk

?

BEF

for focusing on

8ball

? like you saying

kittybells

was

8ball

when you entered, right?

like how i pushed someone for focusing on

8ball

in a manner i believed was scum, correct?

but

bef

is only likely scum for this, and yet you're fine with a lynch there if it meant you were alive to not address the people who want to lynch you?

p-edit

why is she scum fusc?

what?

I dont think taly is reading my posts anymore.

i suspect this because I bet I know why he thinks I SR Ank and Ive explained the confusion to a few people a few different times now, including him.

P: Ank asked us to wagon them. Its not a real vote. My vote is on milkcarton in spirit.

if its not a real vote... why is it there?

why post about your spirit vote being on

tcmk

after-the-fact of me voting him?

why would you vote

ank

to prove a point exactly?

[Taly]

[Taly]

let me know when you actually want to lynch someone you think is scum

~toucan out

[Taly]

1 day, 14 hours, 21 minutes

, is the time until deadline from the moment i have started this post. not quite

"1 day"

just yet.

also, noting

overki11

started posting in thread around the time to avoid a prod, and my vanity vote on them...

tmck's

defense is just stating they're town.

in what world does town say a

scumread is a better mislynch than them

?

if all

{fusc, tmck, overki11}

are town then my read accuracy has either really devolved or site meta is uniquely weak this year.

with the wagon consolidation, im not feeling both wagons are scum hits but w/e, i think im white noise to half the playerlist atm

chenn

, do you have more than 3 to 4 reads? ive made several posts about you or directed to you but im still wondering if you know whether i exist in this game or not.

and yeah sure, a townbloc seems to be in the works but cohesion could definitely rise a notch or two... not that campaigning to have a lynch set in stone is the most effective route to mend this problem for the gamestate in my mind either.

i hope i dont wake up tomorrow to see a hammer, i dont trust this playerlist to evaluate when discussion remains to be necessary or not.

p-edit

chenn

im not following your scumread on

bef/tcmk

entirely, are they scumreads that are independent of each other?

p-edit again

Screw it we have a day. I'm 1 shot repicker. My role will work if I die the night of my action, I've already asked. If we hit scum I can 1 of 4 the next night if we vote it tomorrow but I dont need a hasty mislynch because I wouldn't claim. I can show crumbs. Also I'm pretty sure ank was trying to crumb it which is why I posted those for later posts. I'm on mobile and it's late but you can find them

UNVOTE:

im waiting for

ank/kittybells/titus'

input on their reads.

also

chenn

, were

bef/tcmk

scumreads indepndent of each other?

[Taly]

lol the claims invalidate half my post above but why not post it for transparency, already typed it.

p-edit

juicy votes but its late for me D:

[Taly]

wow, i should be much better at catching breadcrumbs than i am.



anyway night guys i will be productive tomorrow

[Taly]

wait a minute

VOTE: Chennisden

lol, you openly discredited

tcmk's

claim by putting him in the lynchpool 1836

but you posted knowledge of the crumb in 1831 after-the-fact.

the

"you got rung up by the crumb"

comment doesnt align with why people voted them, but thats how you framed the wagon.

am i opportunistic,

chenn

?

p-edit

then why is

tcmk

in lynchpool

chenn

? did you just paste an older readslist in the thread without updating it?

p-edit

I'm worried bef is 8ball

lets not unless we have to

[Taly]

good save.

UNVOTE:

im starting to think i have some level of charisma in mafia.

chenn

is still a ? but they are not allowed to bait their lynch regardless of alignment.

night guys

[Taly]

well good morning everyone

[Taly]

Ank would you lynch BEF?

overki11

, can you do more than say

BEF's

votes are disgusting?

fusc

, i dont understand your read progression as your votes go wherever the wagon is quickest

ank

, gamestate read?

lmfao

mbaki

i thought

chenn

would still be in the thread post-votes thrown at him.

[Taly]

VOTE: overkill
yeet

why now?

UNVOTE:

sigh, can't lynch the repicker..

I've already claimed VT. Call this vote survival or OMGUS if you will but I'm trying to stay alive:

VOTE: Fuscosco

I wouldn't mind a late wagon on Clem tbh.

you don't see the argument behind

fusc

-scum?

[Taly]

If you're town, Fusco, I'd rather you vote Overkill.

Then why is your vote on

Fusc

, still? 1859

If you're willing to lynch someone you think is possibly town in the sole hopes to solve someone better, 1916, find a better strategy, or I don't understand how you're town.

You're pushing away from the

Overki11

lynch by deeming them as a likely

8ball

, but you're telling the person you've voted to jump on the wagon... 1924

Every bit of this post progression is disingenuous.

p-edit

feelings on

mbaki/fusc

,

titus

?

[Taly]

Two things I would like to discuss for fun, 1 why did you originally start mafia and 2 what power are you most looking forward to. I started mafia because I enjoy the roles, but I continue because I think it helps me read people irl. I am excited about using the all town group thing

This is the breadcrumb

Chenn

mentioned.

This post was before the vote counts you quoted above.

[Taly]

Still worried I have no RC or Ank reads but those will come with flips.

This is normal dw

I'm purposely within both of my ranges

Same!

Well, up until the

Chenn

teeth-pull I did last night. I don't think I'm ever that powerful as scum.

But tbh, my

"I'm staying in both ranges"

has kind of faded since referring to

Merchant's Daughter

somewhat defeated the point.



I also don't think I'm as ballsy as scum with how I entered the day.

I'm just taking conscious measures to not fuck up like how I do as town usually.

[Taly]

Clem

has not moved from my lynchpool in 1467

Clem

coming into the thread mainly to vote

overki11

... the person I've been on for majority of this dayphase, and the person who has gone to certain lengths to sidestep me... does not strike as a town approach. I thought they were confident in

BEF

until

BEF

actually was endangered of getting lynched.

My earlier townread on them dissipated because they're still much more presence than of substance and I don't think their vote hops justify a stance to say they're trying to observe the game.

Why is

Clem

your top suspect,

Titus

?

[Taly]

mbaki

, give me 3 really good reasons why the

tcmk

claim being public knowledge is helpful for town in this instance.

Ya'll wanna hear the scummiest shit ever

I saw

more than one

PR soft from TMCK and still chose to lynch them. I don't even read for softs (as either alignment), for the most part, so if I picked up on it scum probably did too. So, he was either scum fake softing a PR, or scum already knew anyways,

so I wanted to force the hard claim on principle.

TMCK, in future games, soft better and generally you just don't need to soft in situations like this.

There is little - if any - value in scum faking the only town PR in the game other than to delay a lynch, and

tcmk

softing is less scum-indicative as the crumb in 1227 wasn't in the face of a threat to being lynched.

You picked up on more than one crumb - but you didn't settle for that. You campaigned for

tcmk's

lynch while doubting his claim at the same time

(1181 1533 1569 1620 1628 1647 1754)

and

then unvoted after he claimed when people started hopping off the wagon

. 1823 1859

The underlined above does not align with a scumread, nor does the bolded.

You had reason to believe he's town and overtly rolefished versus hunting elsewhere. I deeply want to know what you thought you accomplished.

If you're town

, you have the LOWEST amount of good faith in gamesolving and Town PRs that I've seen in a long while.

If you're scum

, you knew this would happen.

[Taly]

ugh god if over half my votes and pushes this dayphase have been town then this is a load of bullshit

[Taly]

THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION

[Taly]

mbaki

, your 15-minute vote-free interval of finding 3 good reasons supporting your play here has ended.

BrightEyedFish (4): chennisden, 0verki11, Time Devil, Fuscosco
Fuscosco (7): mbaki, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish (L-2)
themilkcartonkid (1): Chemist1422
Overkill (1): Clemency
Taly (1): Ankamius
mbaki (1): Titus,

Taly

Not Voting (3): Creature, Taly

VOTE: mbaki[/vote

[Taly]

VOTE: mbaki

[Taly]

Do you really think

mbaki

is town?

[Taly]

What faith do you have in me if I'm a scumread?

You're using an unbacked playstyle argument to defend yourself, while also minimizing my push on you by downplaying my insights about your play.

[Taly]

Fine. I don't get it.

UNVOTE:

I'll look elsewhere until I fucking do.

[Taly]

i want hugs :c

[Taly]

jesus christ up until the past 2 pages i was envisioning you to post exactly like you have in 2080 2086 for the whole game.

yup.

D: my only consistent strength in a game is being universally townread, often at the expense of solving or gauging the gamestate effectively.

[Taly]

are we all sure im not LHF?

for as confident as i can be in some of my gamesolve posts here, i can feel as equally not confident too

a case over

fusc

would be nice too, preferably i want to hear one from

kittybells

that is independent of associatives.

im going to log off for a bit.

[Taly]

i feel dumb regardless of flip

[Taly]

I went through a few scenarios in my mind on how we can play these few days:

Keep in mind,

Coalition

disregards an NK if we're wrong,

Reveal

only protects the person we use it on for NKs for THAT night, and

1of4

gives no NK protection.

So these scenarios somewhat assume

TMCK

is the auto-kill the moment scum has the opportunity, yet they're viable scenarios regardless here.

These scenarios are also based on

TMCK

only being able to repick a power that has been used, which is my understanding of his role.

Spoiler: Coalition>Reveal>Coalition

A second chance at auto-winning is always great.

Reveal

could be used on anyone who we listed as

Coalition

but think could be Mafia at a failure.

TMCK

would have to repick

Coalition

after we use

Reveal

on someone, in the event we fail the first time.

This path nearly ensures a win... if town wants to be cohesive in this game.

At most, we're looking at only 1 scum NK here.

Spoiler: 1of4>1of4>Reveal>Coalition

This is definitely the longer and more thorough approach to creating a townbloc for

Coalition

, but it presents an equal amount of more pros and cons.

1of4

does not automatically ensure 3 town upon a scum lynch, nor does it necessarily confirm a certain person as Mafia upon a town lynch.

The function of

1of4 x2 (Pending on TMCK repicking it a second time in a row)

is to give as many PoE'd scumlynches as possible prior to

Coalition

.

The more scum we lynch, the odds of placing scum in

Coalition

numerically lower greatly.
If we lynch town, we have a gold mine of information to evaluate the wagon, the group of

1of4

, and inspect the townbloc we've created.

Reveal

helps us regardless of our lynch accuracy.

We're looking at 3 scum NKs here, though. Which could be dangerous since town's biggest goal right now is townbloccing thoughtfully and not solely out of PoE.

Spoiler: Why Reveal X2>Coalition or Reveal>Protect>Reveal>Coalition Is Risky And Potentially Unrewarding

Reveal x2>Coalition

does not confirm both potential conftown we veil as safe from a scum-NK.

But even if we did

Reveal>Protect>Reveal>Coalition

, we can't use

Protect

on our potential conftown person via

Reveal

... So a

second Reveal

seems pointless and

Protect

in the first place is extremely difficult to gauge if we've even used it on town, because scum can still NK elsewhere.

Reveal

only seems like a sound idea if we're planning to use it right before

Coalition

, because there's no guarantee

TMCK

or other conftown will survive.

Another thing with doing

Reveal

first is... finding someone we all collectively want resolved...

If we do

Reveal x2>Coalition

, town is being risky with 2 scum NKs right after we use

Reveal

. Essentially, we'd have to hit scum to counteract out cost deficit and I don't think

"confirming scum"

is a productive mentality at all when approaching

Reveal

...

Using

Protect

is dependent on using it if we conftown someone after the first

Reveal

. The

second Reveal

should just be looking to do a normal

Reveal

with the same risks as the above.

...But this is also dependent on

TMCK

surviving to us using

Protect

so we can repick

Reveal

afterwards. Not a fan of this.

Spoiler: Coalition/Reveal/1of4/Protect Power Descriptions

1of4

The game will have a commercial break, in which the Mafia choose 4 players, at least one of which must be Mafia aligned. Town must choose by majority vote a player from this 4 player group, who will be eliminated from the game.

Coalition

Selectable only with less than 3 Mafia dead.
Town by majority vote choose a majority group of players (half living players rounded down plus one, equal to power selection threshold) in the game. If all chosen players are town, town immediately win. Otherwise, the game continues into Night phase with no deaths, and the Mafia cannot kill that Night.

Reveal

Choose by majority vote a player. That player’s alignment will be revealed, and will be immune from kills that Night.

Protect

Choose by majority vote a player to make immune to one nightkill for the rest of the game. This immunity will fail if the player is non-Vanilla or has been targeted with the Reveal power. The Mafia may not kill after this.

Also, I have 2 strong scumreads, but I'm legit not even thinking about scumhunting at the moment.

Townbloccing wins this game.

1of4

or

Coalition

are the powers I'm looking at to use right now.

[Taly]

Also

mbaki

gets 2 throat punches for playing specifically to have

TMCK

hard claim D1

kittybells

gets a throat punch for insta-voting

Protect

2178, and another throat punch for giving a strong scumread in this phase of the game 2206

i would throat punch

oka

for luls

i would give everyone who has voted

Dance

an extra throat punch, but i want to know how this

Dance

power works because its potentially really helpful or a real fucking shitty power.

@Mod, three questions about Dance:
How are pairs decided within the dance? Are they random? Do 2 people just agree to pair? Does Mafia choose?

Pairs aren't permanent, are they?

Does everyone have to have a pair?

[Taly]

ily

mbaki/kittybells/oka <3

dont take the throat punches too seriously bc i tr u 3

[Taly]

another thing

we lynched scum, yaaay

but can we not get 10x dumber?

just a thought

[Taly]

Veto

is one of those powers that if we somehow fuck everything up then we have a last resort out of our ass, not interested.

Arena

is the same as

Veto

... except I don't trust people to make smart late-game decisions... or smart decisions in mafia at all, oh well.

also if we did

Dance

, whether we repick

Dance

is entirely dependent on our results from the first,

1of4

or

Coalition

are better repicks with the strategies i provided imo... MAYBE even

reveal

, MAYBE.

k gotta go study for math test brb ily guys

<3

start townbloccing people, pls

[Taly]

@Mod, three questions about Dance:
How are pairs decided within the dance? Are they random? Do 2 people just agree to pair? Does Mafia choose?

The Mafia chooses

the pairs.

lmfao, fuck this power so incredibly hard.

Pairs aren't permanent, are they?

Pairs last for the

duration of that Dance

only.

only answer i am liking here

Does everyone have to have a pair?[/size]

Yes.

ugh...

@Mod, do pairs get PTs with each other for as long as they're paired?

I don't know why I'm even asking this because it probably won't change my feels here but w/e

I am wrong RC is likely town. His CC is too sloppy to be scum RC.

lol am i the only person that didnt take the

"CC"

and

kittybells'

confscum reads seriously?

p-edit

lul hello

ank

[Taly]

VOTE: Coalition

[Taly]

oh shit, thought my vote would wake her up

ank

is actually gonna be useless for awhile

to townread or not to townread

p-edit

Does everyone have to have a pair?[/size]

Yes.

ugh...

@Mod, do pairs get PTs with each other for as long as they're paired?

No.

dance

is virtually negative utility

[Taly]

Did you not read the part where Mafia chooses the pairs?

[Taly]

Ehh, 2410 was too tongue-in-cheek.

Let's do an exercise here,

TMCK

. Let's say you're hypothetical scum.

Who would scum-you want to pair with?

1)

LHF or someone scumread

2)

Someone highly townread

3)

Someone conftowned by role or other mechanic

Now, who do you think scum would like to get a lynch on?

1)

2 LHF/lynchbaity town

2)

1 LHF and 1 buss-able scum

3)

That pair nobody would throw rope at... most likely because of only one person.

Dance

gives scum control.
Yes, there is valid information to be gained through flips from

Dance

, but does

1of4

,

Coalition

, or even

Reveal

not qualify as a good alternative?

Also, we don't get an NK at all if we use

Dance

:

Selectable only with an even number of players alive.
The game will have a 48 hour commercial break, in which the Mafia must pair all living players. The pairs will be announced, and town must choose a pair by majority vote. Both players in that pair will be eliminated from the game. The Mafia cannot kill after this power.

Somewhat giving

kittybells

"the eye"

for his vote there at the moment because he knows better. 2313

Anyway, I need to go for real now. See ya in a bit guys

[Taly]

...did you even do the exercise?

and there's a lot better ways to get info.

if we do

dance

, my motivation is taking a hit.

why is

coalition

bad here? why is

1of4

and

reveal

not something you've evaluated specifically

tmck

?

[Taly]

imo D1 scum lynches are antitown

Ank

is just alluding to the fact that towns become really stupid despite lynching scum.

Exhibit A:

This game thread prior to my appearance earlier this morning.

Also

You can tell

Ank

is town here because she's consistently making statements that would come as scumclaims from most other people.

Actually I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't a bus.

Fuscosco (7): mbaki, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish

I'm not fond of this solving angle,

Creature

.

1)

Your attention is better served on townreading and thinking of the best course of action for town at the moment.

2)

You state a bus is almost guaranteed but don't even bring up people specifically. This is both vague and paranoia inducing.

3)

My gamestate and current reads disagree with much, if any, bussing on

Fusc

.

Even if they did, I'm not focused on picking part a correct lynch to find scum... I'm focused on finding town and having my current townreads work together.

So which power would you want to use

Creature

?

and to bring this to relevance to the current game?

a TvT Mbaki/RC is exactly how town will fall apart if that is truly the case.

:EFFORT:

\o/

GIRL, LOOK AT ME.

\o/

I REALIZE THE BOLDED THE MOMENT

FUSC

FLIPPED.

I'M DOING DAMAGE CONTROL.

@2396 to 2398

~

Also,

TMCK

, you have no chance of getting me on board with

Dance

if you do not answer 2412 thoroughly. I want us to work here.

[Taly]

I think coalition and protect are the best options. If the majority were to agree tmck’s claim is true, that might be better than coalition.

~N

We can't

protect

tmck

because they aren't vanilla.

Protect

is a good power to keep if we somehow fail at

Coalition

whether it's been repicked or not.

1of4 x2

has NKs with them but NK deaths are often far less complicated in parsing versus 8 pairs and which ones have scum within them.

Plus,

1of4 x2

greatly increases our odds of lynching scum again, which make

Coalition

more effective long-term and specifically helpful for

Reveal

.

Dance

will only make this game harder for me to solve. I can digress into an essay but I really don't want to clog the thread more than I have.

I wish

Kittybells

drops their

Dance

vote or rationalizes it, but regardless I want them to put forth effort into going through the less

"bloodshed route"

in solving this game regardless of how people or

mbaki

reads them.

And I need

mbaki

to talk to me about solid strategies with powers, and specifically how he feels about my strategies in 2395 I don't want a one-sided conversation with

mbaki

because that was basically our D1 interaction lol.

[Taly]

if you think that BEF was the 8ball, then it's unlikely there's scum both in front and back of the lynch wagon.

like, i could literally case for why i think this is true regardless of

BEF's

alignment.

but im just going to say this is my read on the gamestate and this is how it has influenced my reads.

so

ank

gets a +1 for next level thinking

~

I'm taking a break from this thread at the moment.

I hope I don't come back and need to solve and strategize by myself.

[Taly]

i'm going to not care about reads atm because i don't want to get angry, and focus on setup stuff which is largely more important right now

Great idea.

Let's discuss 2395.

And thoughts on

Dance

?

p-edit

taly we literally cannot 1of4

Any ability that allows scum to nk should be used after we double up on a non nk ability

aka doubling coalition

OK then, are you good with

Coalition

?

And

1of4

is risky, I did mention that... fully aware of there being NKs in my plan earlier.... it just gives a greater chance to lynch scum for

Coalition

, that was my thinking for THAT strategy.

[Taly]

...and your preferred path to shortening the playerlist

oka

?

...and if its

Dance

, then by all means, entertain my exercise in 2412...

...or at least voice an alternative plan.

p-edit

dance is good because it makes coalition better

i don't want to 2 of 4 before coalition because 2 of 4 has op synergy with 1 of 4

i dont know if im reading this correctly? OP = overpowered?

and do you understand my grievances with

dance

?

[Taly]

i have very little faith in us lynching scum if we go with

dance

with this playerlist

and at least, 1 townie is going to die.

so if we're cutting the playerlist, yeah thanks, we're cutting down town that couldve been resolved another way or placed into

coalition

[Taly]

Also, how do people not get that the scum strategy for dance is going to be to pair scum with obvtown and conftown and to pair lhf together. We lynch lhf every time and then you know, actually know who the real scum pool is after that... and if they're idiots enough to pair themselves with lhf, they die... and if they're even more idiots and pair themselves together, then they die... it's like mechanically win win

But this is why I'm not down with Dance?

I get the logic here but the logic here also heavily leans on us lynching 2 town which numerically hurts our chances of a successful Coalition.

And it's easy to spread paranoia in making pairs if the town don't have a solid bloc.

I'm only good with Dance if we do Coalition potentially twice afterward.

[Taly]

you know what do whatever you guys want you think I'm scum anyways after i largely led a punch on scum d1 I dont care about this shitass game enough. dont ask me for my correct opinions if you're not going to listen, please.

Please don't.

Explain your reasons on Venge being better than Dance?

[Taly]

Mmmmmm.

My argument against Dance isn't that good.

We need more votes going places.

[Taly]

I'm fine with

Dance

, but with this condition.

also if we pick dance

we shouldn't out scumreads btw

I'm going to be very annoyed if I get paired with one of the more popular ones

I've already had this mentality, but I'm reinforcing it more thoroughly. If you guys want to discuss reads until we lock in a power, then I encourage them to be townreads.

[Taly]

Mmm, I do see the benefit in

1of4

being saved.

I do agree with

mbaki

,

Vengeful

gives town control of the narrative while

Dance

gives it to scum.

However, if its been those two,

Vengeful

would be more in town's favor later in the game than

Dance

.

The only way we ever hit scum with

Veto

is if we peg the rest of the scumteam assuming we're looking at a 4p group. Not great odds, but it could be great in confirming potential scum when the scumpool is smaller and townbloc is larger.

It feels like a stronger utility later.

Titus

, what are benefits you see in using this now?

trying to push vengeful here should be seen as a scumclaim for the record.

Talk to me about your townread on

Chemist

than the same scumread you've had for 50 pages.

p-edit

can any of the townies who have any mathematical ability back me up that mbaki is scumclaiming by advocating for blowing vengeful early?

What are you accomplishing here? Because I don't see any good results.

[Taly]

Why are we now strategizing in the event of mylo?

Yes, it's good to have a long-term plan, but realistically its unlikely we'll get to this point.

People should adapt to lower-utility powers now if it helps us in a worse position later, but we shouldn't sacrifice strong confidence in our play because we want to detail everything.

what mbaki is pushing for us to do is use our abilities super fucking suboptimally under the logic that we're going to steamroll the game then we're going to be absolutely fucked in late game
it is actually playing against wincon to use vengeful outside of lylo. instead of being an arguable tiny advantage in terms of all the safe -2 player no nightkill abilities that maybe adds like 1-2% town equity at best in late game it increases towns chances of winning by 20% or 33% in 3-5 way lylos. that's something no player of mbaki's caliber would be stupid enough to pass up under the rationale that "oh we're going to stomp this game early so we won't need lylo" and something that no player of his caliber would advocate me as scum for suggesting given I could easily be that scum in that lylo situation.

could you at least try to retype some of your posts?

because how you and

mbaki

are communicating with each other and everyone else will create an apathy pit that leads to conflict.

i cant process the full extent of your argument if youre going to curse and use the logic that someone's approach is stupid, town makes judgment errors especially under disproportional force like this 1v1.

its as bad as

mbaki

distancing himself from enjoying the game with the entire playerlist since gamestart.

[Taly]

also, if you repeat

"this is scum / this person is scumclaiming"

10 times and nobody auto-jumps the first 3, i dont think people are following your idea enough to entertain hearing the next 7 times.

and this is the same concept i want

mbaki

to hear, because theyre letting their views of this playerlist overwrite their approach of gamesolving.

p-edit

yes, you can definitely argue

mbaki

is suboptimal, and you could be right that hes scum because of it

you can solve this game by yourself but you cant win it by yourself, you need to let in other people to process the game for themselves and then allow them to see your views without harping on trying to get a response the second you want to hardpush a scumread even when we cant lynch it.

[Taly]

i think there's a lot of value to dance that isn't immediately obvious

yes, you can definitely argue mbaki is suboptimal, and you could be right that hes scum because of it

you can solve this game by yourself but you cant win it by yourself, you need to let in other people to process the game for themselves and then allow them to see your views without harping on trying to get a response the second you want to hardpush a scumread even when we cant lynch it

i've won more games by myself than you've played on MS.

its not fun for me to play this game alone.

and i dont vibe with you asserting your experience over mine as a means to dignify yourself.

[Taly]

im going to bed, i feel like my words havent gone as far as id like them to this dayphase on most any topic ive discussed.

part of me just wants to wait and sit, and adapt to whatever town wants to do, but thats a rabbit hole breeding apathy id rather not go down.

someone just hmu if they want my opinion on something specifically.

UNVOTE:

i need a break from mafia soon

[Taly]

VOTE: Dance

[Taly]

Johnny

townreading

mbaki, kittybells, and nancefloor

is currently his sole, temporary saving grace Post-Dance. 2769 Unless my reads are absolute dogshit this game, this doesn't read as a scum readslist with the game at hand, despite how I disagree with a good bit of what the list implies.

Just outing this;

overki11

and

Chennisden

have been my strongest scumreads on a

Fusc

scumflip.

Titus

has always read as a good

Reveal

candidate to me, in the event that we used the power.

Titus/Chenn

is interesting, them being S/S or T/T does not mix well with my reads OR their interactions with each other. S/T sounds most viable.

lol

overki11/kittybells

. i think my comments on this pair hurt more than help, so im going to open my eyes and not my mouth on this one. same thing with

TD/TMCK

.

[Taly]

My initial gut reaction was the TL/tmck pair.

But I think chen/Titus is the optimal choice

.

This is probably the first time I've 100% mindmelded with something you've posted.

But I want to know why you think this. I'd also like people to explain their

Chenn

and

Titus

reads.

p-edit

Mbaki is town btw

p-edit

If there's a deepwolf, it's Taly

And that's the most likely SvS if any

blegh, am i always a deepwolf?

[Taly]

What happened to people lacking credibility if they scumread me? I'm trying to gauge your progression here.

[Taly]

:/ I want to townbloc but I don't vibe with paranoia especially at this point in the game.

[Taly]

I don't think you're paranoid.

I don't think listing deepwolf possibilities prior to building a townbloc is helpful.

[Taly]

I mostly just don't understand what approach you're taking with this game that results in those reads Titus

Can you elaborate on this?

Same question to

Nancefloor

on

Titus

and any reads they're willing to share.

[Taly]

AHHHHH FUCK.

UGH.

KITTYBELLS

POCKETED ME DAMNIT.

UGGGGGHHHHHHHH, i underestimated his ability to do theatre

ive just seen

kittybells

-town play similarly to this before in his 1v1s and i wrote him/

mbaki

off as TvT.

at least i was correct about

Titus

-town and

Chenn

-scum... when most people thought the reverse

but yeah, sorry for replacing out guys.

i just dont really care to play mafia, and my motivation plummeted when

Dance

happened. it didnt help that people started seeing me as deepwolf post-

Dance

i predict that i probabaly would've fought

kittybells

had i stayed, wrongfully tunneled

overki11

, and lost anyway

[Taly]

aww

ank <3

yeah, i feel like we would have been stronger if we worked more, and i didnt fall into an apathy pit

those two

coalitions

were so incredibly painful to watch unfold from the sidelines, jesus christ

i wanted to give

sky

some sort of potion to help her retain sanity

[Taly]

when i replaced out, i was in the thick of a full-time college schedule with advanced chemistry and math classes

i really couldnt provide quality play to my liking if i stayed

i do think that

NF+Ank+Me+mbaki

mutual townbloc wouldve dominated

[Taly]

tbh, i thought it was very interesting to play with you

ank

, seeing as how this was the first game we interacted with each other right after a very involved hydra experience.

this game feels like another example, of my ability as a player is tied to how well the people of my alignment are working together

there was very little cohesion in the town, and so my disconnect just grew even when i had overall-decent solves.

[Taly]

yeah, i townread

ank

pretty consistently, and she townread me for a good portion i believe

but the strengths of our townreads were never at mutual strength ;P

[Taly]

frankly, i never saw the reason why

titus

was scum

i dont fully agree with their approach to the game, but i didnt see why theyre scum.

the only way it made sense to me was she was a partner to

chenn

((who gathered a lot of shallow townreads))

and when they got paired, it just seemed stupid to entertain.

[Taly]

I feel like Taly is the kind of player that would townread me as scum, sky

That's why

yeah, i would

and i have

to be fair, neither of us played outside our scumrange until late-D1 to D2 at earliest

and

Dance

was not a desirable power to pick, i only voted so it wouldnt stall the gamestate

[Taly]

lets all get a box of tissues and mourn

[Taly]

hosting a funeral for our gameplay

[Taly]

Mbaki had been thoroughly discredited since D1 and was always gonna be a mislynch

I was prepared to fight that but he replaced out and I stopped caring

I was prepared to fight that too but then replaced out and stopped caring

...eh, your phrase sounds more noble

dann

[Taly]

guys roast my gameplay here

[Taly]

also i mentally blocked out the fact that

moon

got lynched because that was more painful than the coalitions forming

[Taly]

guys roast my gameplay here

we had the most high-key, indirect distrust of each other in this game regardless of our townreads lmao

[Taly]

LOL i just noticed a trend.

in recent games, i have 2 very accurate, not-so popular reads

and then 1 read i ate shit on and it would have, or did actually cost me the game.

Gamma

-scum and

Krazy

-town in

Merchant's Daughter

were the reads I was good on, despite people scumreading

Krazy

, but

Nancy

threw my ass for a loop

Chenn

-scum and

Titus/Eddie

-town in this game, but I thought for the longest time

kittybells

was a solid pick for the early-game townbloc.

[Taly]

yay im situationally useful

[Taly]

yay im situationally useful

same

lol if i play another mafia game, im gonna /in to a very stacked playerlist just so i could feel like LHF like i did half the time here

guys roast my gameplay here

I can't believe you played, smh

omg 1v1 my soul boi

[Taly]

taly im not scum, thats mean

no u

[Taly]

i mean

im kind of a braindead pocket

its one of my few play blindspots that become more like fatal flaws against experienced players

[Taly]

well, sometimes i like being pocketed, its both fun and funny

[Taly]

RC, who was the only slot to see you as scum? I was.

No.

UGH

eddie

i shouldve thought your posts a little bit further near late D1

if i didnt push you into making the posts that i KNEW would be town-indicative of you, i mightve followed your lead on

kittybells

regardless of my read on you

as usual, its been nice sharing a playerlist with you

[Taly]

And yeah, I'm meaning page 83-84 when I got to max levels of tilt when it was a better idea to just sit back for a second.

[Taly]

ive taken so many Ls on this site in this year particularly

but i feel like if i return to a mafia game, whether its on MS or another site, im going to have a pretty refined mentality

i like playing mafia for the investigative aspect and playing with cool people, but the time-consumption, effort, and frustration that accompanies it is a lot and its best i just commentate or view at leisure