Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Something_Smart
I concur.

[Something_Smart]

:thonk:

[Something_Smart]

I assume he's talking about this, where I selfvoted as scum. I don't know what he's referring to with the second part though.

[Something_Smart]

Why are you drawing a connection between selfvoting and avoiding pressure?

[Something_Smart]

S_S and Fuscosco are obviously not scum together. Likewise S_S and HitAlt.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

Can you show your work?

[Something_Smart]

I somehow missed your selfvote-post, but I also don't really think you'd be "afraid" to vote where ever, so I don't think the two self-votes are necessarily alike.

Well, yes, you are correct in that. I don't think I've ever used something like that as a defense mechanism, even when I was new.

I don't know why Fuscosco selfvoted, but I wouldn't have guessed that this would be why.

[Something_Smart]

Btw, I have seen Something_Smart both as scum and as town before, and I have to admit that I can not read their tone correctly. Ever.

I suspect you're looking in the wrong places then, I'm very easy to read if you know what you're looking for.

Tone is not exactly right though, it's more like how meaningful and useful my content is. I have a hard time faking that as scum.

Have you played with town-me other than Sharing is Caring? I was pretty busy during that game and I didn't play very well.

[Something_Smart]

I'd say multiple times.

I'm pisspoor at alt guessing but now my curiosity is piqued

Though I don't think it would necessarily help me read you as I think I read you pretty well in that game.

[Something_Smart]

Creature opened the game as town in a way that he previously opened a game as scum. I also opened the game in a way that I previously opened a game as scum. The ways weren't the same. It's an extremely specific comparison.

[Something_Smart]

I didn't get townread for it in BTE, though. (And that's not the first time I've done it, either.)

I think the bottom line of this is it's something I'd do as either alignment.

[Something_Smart]

Just realized that I accidentally copied Alchemist's meme lul.

[Something_Smart]

I am definitely not on top of my game today

[Something_Smart]

Hey Alchemist can you talk about why you liked 50? I'm not sure how I feel about it.
Do you think it's towny, or do you think it's sound, or both?

[Something_Smart]

I feel like this selfvote talk is filler.


rather, this talk about S_Ss meta of voting is. please stop talking about creature as well, unless he is an alt of a person here

What would you rather we talk about?

[Something_Smart]

...And, you selfvoted. Did you not want people to talk about it?

[Something_Smart]

Ohai Dann. Sorry for stealing your pagetop

[Something_Smart]

Do I ever!
Interestingly, someone selfvoted to copy me in that game as well, and they were scum.

[Something_Smart]

Did you understand 22?

I still have no idea what it means.

[Something_Smart]

Maybe I showed up as online for some reason but that post came at 3 am for me and I sure as hell wasn't awake.

[Something_Smart]

Fuscosco can you answer my questions in 75 and 77?

[Something_Smart]

I wasn't even in that game at the beginning, what are you talking about?

[Something_Smart]

Fine with me guys, as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse...

Doesn't feel genuine.

Why not? Do you think it isn't true?

[Something_Smart]

Are you conf!town yet? Or will it take like 5 more posts until you reach that conclusion?

He's been confscum since 133

[Something_Smart]

{rce, hitalt, ss}
{alchemist, fuscosco}
{cbynumber, Flavor leaf, umlaut}
{vorkuta}
{baezu, siv36}

This is, like, startlingly close to sorting by postcount.

Also I like the way cbynumber plays but I don't know if that's alignment indicative yet.

[Something_Smart]

SomethingSmart has literally no meaningful content. Seriously dude, can you make a meaningful contribution to this game?

Patience, young Padawan.

Anything in particular you want my opinion on?

[Something_Smart]

Yea that “ausuka is playing scum well” shit is ugly. It sets a bar for other people where if ausuka plays Townie she’s mafia and can’t win either way.

Is this an angle scum frequently take?

From my experience this sounds like something townies get accused of more often than something scum do intentionally.

[Something_Smart]

Don't know why everyone's giving me free townreads when I haven't actually done anything.

Have you done anything that's town indicative for you?

[Something_Smart]

Depends. Most towntells involve thoughts rather than mere words, and everyone has a different level of skill at emulating those thoughts as scum.

[Something_Smart]

Actually wow, what a softball Q.

Which one?

[Something_Smart]

I have no issue with refusing to townread someone with only a few posts, but the bigger problem was that you seemed to be refusing to scumread anyone with a lot of posts.

[Something_Smart]

Pedit: Why should I have scumread any of them?

Well, you scumread some people, so it'd be quite the coincidence if your townreads on the higher posters had nothing to do with their activity.

[Something_Smart]

I do! Particularly on Siv/Baezu.

Siv's posting was classic analytic newb posting, I doubt it was out of his range as either alignment.
Baezu's style is hard for me to read. The bit about getting scumread as town is likely genuine but she'd be able to fake that if it happens all the time. 146 gives me shivers.

Baezu's readflips.

Unexplained abrupt readflips are usually town. Nothing really remarkable about hers, it's possible she just forgot her previous reads.

Their mutual scumreads on each other without much action.

Okay? A lot of people have scumreads and don't act on them.

How do you feel about cbynumbers posting?

I like his inquisitive style. A style like that is more often town than not. Reminds me of lilith who was before your time but some other people might remember her and see what I mean.

Fuscosco's recent posts.

Recent posts in particular? They don't really have any content.

What does Umlauts apprehensive approach to being consensus read say to you?

It feels hollow and possibly fake. Waiting on his response to 276 though.

[Something_Smart]

Okay Ausuka I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I don't think I've ever read you right in the past. I will ignore my gut pings from your posts and call you town for that 2 scum speculation

[Something_Smart]

If she were scum, she'd know exactly how many scum there were!

And then she wouldn't have to speculate about it

[Something_Smart]

Okay that kind of shit helps nobody so please knock it off.

[Something_Smart]

Hmmm.

My reads are as easy as ABC

Ausuka, Baezu, cbynumber
everyone else
HitAlt

[Something_Smart]

Is that because of the replace out?

[Something_Smart]

as is always my luck I come across scummy af when I’m town and vice verse

This type of AtE always pokes at me, and seeing as I have nothing else to go on but arbitrary scum points:
VOTE: Baezu

This sort of post is an AtE disguised as a post with content.

I don't follow. Isn't it just a gut read?

[Something_Smart]

9:2:2 works, but I just checked and this is a 12player. Do you think its reasonable to assume 8:2:2 or that its town to not know the gamestate?

I don't think multiball is allowed in mini normals anymore

[Something_Smart]

Ausuka's style of posting should be the focal point of a read on them, not some setup spec. Is the fact that they are speccing town? Im asking whoever.

The fact of doing setup spec is maybe slightly towny, but player dependent. The way someone does setup spec can be towny, however.

[Something_Smart]

Why do you think you made Siv leave? The replace-out seemed pretty random to me.

You didn't read it as tactical? That...surprises me actually.

It's nice to assume other people aren't breaking the rules...

[Something_Smart]

@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

[Something_Smart]

@Fuo - I’m known as an extremely strong scum player who hasn’t lost a game in a year and a half

*checks end date of mini 2005*

*thonks*

Did I lose a scum game...? I don’t remember losing one since Magical Stories.

Yeah, it was 2IAM's game about a year ago. You were scum on Morality (this was actually when I learned Morality was you) with Kokichi and Maria, and Dunn and the worst used their PR's really well and kinda rolled you

[Something_Smart]

*pokes thread with stick*

Guys I'm slightly scared that we'll end up with a deadline lynch at this rate of activity.
There hasn't really been a wagon on anyone but Baezu so far

and S_Smart RVS stage

Do you have an issue with the Baezu wagon?

[Something_Smart]

I like Auks two scum spec a lot less now that it’s actually more possible there’s only two scum.

Well no, because had there been 13 players it would have been obviously bullshit but now it's actually a reasonable thing to think about.

[Something_Smart]

We don't know if it matters. Usually confirmation numbers are (number of players - number of scum + 1)/(number of players) to ensure that at least one scum has confirmed before the game starts (i.e. 10:3 is 11/13, 7:2 is 8/9). If that were the rule followed here, then it would make the game 10:2.

[Something_Smart]

@mod Vorkuta is listed as having two votes but only one person is voting them

[Something_Smart]

I mean... it is site meta there isn't really a particular reason it needs to work that way. It's just a convenient number that makes sure that most people are ready to play while allowing for a certain fraction of people to lurk out without holding everyone else up.

[Something_Smart]

Lol. Never felt like taking it off.

[Something_Smart]

Oh I too remembered how to read

@mod you still have SIV36 in the VC even though he's gone

[Something_Smart]

Lol. Never felt like taking it off.

Why?

...Because I don't scumread anyone heavily enough to vote yet?

I am in agreement with the desire for a counterwagon to Baezu. But... I don't really have any ideas.

[Something_Smart]

Oh. Um.

I really hope that wasn't a slip.

[Something_Smart]

Is it bad that I can see an RCE/FL scum pair? (+1 if setup?)

It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

[Something_Smart]

Would you vote FL?

He hasn't really done anything yet. So, probably not.

[Something_Smart]

It's bad that you guys keep doing preflip associatives

I'm trying to spot scum theater as it's what I fell victim to in my recent games.

Well spot it after you have that sweet sweet redflip. Preflip associatives are a great way to convince yourself that someone is scum without a good reason.

[Something_Smart]

I can catch Boon but he doesn't really have to be that afraid of me because I am awful at getting people to listen to me

I fakeclaimed a goddamn guilty on him and it didn't even help

Also yay I hope you get the part!

[Something_Smart]

Actually I think plane is right because it's a geometry reference

[Something_Smart]

Oh I thought stalling was supposed to be a plane pun

[Something_Smart]

Well, Baezu, be the change you wish to see in the world. What do you want to talk about?

[Something_Smart]

How about the fact that we haven’t heard a peep from cbynumbers replacement

I mean, there really isn't much to say about it. It's not like this is a situation where scum-volxen would have some motivation to avoid posting... I hope we hear from him soon.

Anything else?

[Something_Smart]

Well, the fact that the gamestate hasn't changed in a few days does not surprise me, because the game has slowed down considerably.

But a counterwagon would be preferable, yes.

[Something_Smart]

If I had really any idea, I'd probably be voting someone other than myself...

I don't usually scumhunt much early, especially on D1.

[Something_Smart]

yet no one is coming up with an equally good counter wagon that I can get behind.

Why haven't you begun one then? If you don't have reads, couldn't you try to ISO-dive people and see if you can get reads out of that? At least can you tell me why 420 is wrong? Same sentiment to SS.

Weirdness, things that make no sense, and excessive confidence are towntells. Trying to blend in can be characteristic of a new-ish (or in this case coming back after a long hiatus) player. The stuff that you said was posturing could just be impulsiveness.

[Something_Smart]

pedit: meh I don't think I'm going to see eye to eye with you about this in any way.

It's not the first time,and it probably won't be the last

[Something_Smart]

Imagine that was punctuated properly.

[Something_Smart]

Wow, where did Umlaut go?

[Something_Smart]

And I totally agree with your 590 - I think scum is doing a phenomenal job this game

The game just started... if any scum were caught by now it'd be because they're playing badly (or the town is playing exceptionally well).

[Something_Smart]

Ausuka is town here unless she's bussing imo

[Something_Smart]

Like- I would be looking for COMPLETELY different things depending on whether there are 2 or 3 scum.

I would not, and I think you doing so is based on a mistaken belief that you can predict how scum will act in a given situation.

The only reasons knowing the the ratio is relevant are (1) evaluating potential townslips and (2) judging the balance after massclaim.

[Something_Smart]

I doubt I go anywhere tonight but if I do SS needs to be kept on the radar.

What's this supposed to mean

[Something_Smart]

Third party isn't possible.

Low-powered 10:2 is possible, albeit unlikely.

[Something_Smart]

It could become relevant, i.e. if we lynch a mafia rolecop we know they were able to communicate their result before they died.

It also could matter in LYLO, because we know scum are able to coordinate a quickhammer.

[Something_Smart]

I mean nobody should believe it's 10:2 regardless unless they're informed about it, we don't know.

[Something_Smart]

Ngl my head's been out of this game for the last few days

I will need to remind myself.

[Something_Smart]

I actually don't think they've changed at all since the last time I was asked :z

Hmmm.

My reads are as easy as ABC

Ausuka, Baezu, cbynumber
everyone else
HitAlt

I guess Vedith can also be in the top tier but I think that's because I always townread Vedith \o/

[Something_Smart]

Cbynumber's volxen now ftr.

[Something_Smart]

Lmao is that STILL on?

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE: lol

I kept telling myself I'd take it off later lul

[Something_Smart]

I'll have to do some reading and get back to you.

[Something_Smart]

Cbynumber did feel pretty genuine though. And I don't think doing nothing is really scum indicative...?

[Something_Smart]

Lmao shots fired sir.

Nevertheless, I resent having my activity compared to that of volxen's slot.

[Something_Smart]

How confident are you on Alch?

[Something_Smart]

Slaxx can be town too btw.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: HitAlt

Can't believe I'm doing meta on an alt lol. Just doesn't feel nearly as genuine as last game.

[Something_Smart]

So I'm going to request a meta read from others about S_Smart- is he always this... "meh" about things at D1?
The S_Smart I played previously with was kinda cool. This S_Smart feels too go with the flow and disengaged. Is this purely a D1 thing, or a scum!Smart thing?

It's very situational. I had a clear direction that game and knew exactly what I wanted to do.

Here, I'm a lot more out of it, both because it's D1 and because I haven't really gotten as engaged in the game as I'd have liked. I bet it will change later on once I do have some idea of a direction

[Something_Smart]

I'm alive o/

Did anyone want anything from me?

I'm really sorry I'm so disengaged this game btw. I really do think it will get better once we get out of D1 and we actually have some flips.

[Something_Smart]

What are your thoughts on my slot?

I still think it's > rand town.

[Something_Smart]

Use code words to communicate. Idk, what if you picked some theme or question to ask as a signal . . ? Like say 'cologne' as a code?

This could be town

[Something_Smart]

Ausuka probably scum regardless of flip after that post. "Town has been self descructing all day" seems to come from a scum mind set knowing who town is.

idk about this... it's possible for a townie to observe the trajectory of a faction as a whole, not with perfect accuracy, but enough to make broad statements such as that.

For instance, I think that scum are indifferent to whether volxen is lynched, which would imply that he's town.

[Something_Smart]

I would be willing to wagon almost anyone other than volxen. If one forms I'll likely join it. I don't feel volxen is scum here.

[Something_Smart]

O.o

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Wanna make another wagon happen?

[Something_Smart]

Even though we started on evens?

[Something_Smart]

Yes and it's bad to be on evens so...?

[Something_Smart]

Well I'm not saying lynching on evens is bad, I'm only saying that no-lynching on evens isn't necessarily bad either.

That said I feel like people are going to continue pushing volxen until he's dead so we might not gain much by avoiding his lynch :/

[Something_Smart]

Back the hell up, what makes you so confident there's a vig?

[Something_Smart]

Volxen's was pretty obviously hypothetical, that didn't sound like it.

[Something_Smart]

Okay no, and full disclosure it's because I'm afraid you're a vig and just slipped your role. Don't confirm or deny that obviously.

[Something_Smart]

I just wanted to form a wagon that wasn't on a townread

[Something_Smart]

@SS
-explain
-do you think it can go through today?
-do you have other "not-town" reads?
-no u

I have nothing to lose by trying it. Worst case we don't get support and just hammer volxen.

I don't really have any scumreads, it would literally just be anyone other than the people I townread (Ausuka, Baezu, volxen, Slaxx).

[Something_Smart]

Getting an actual scumflip also feels very likely to me

Really? This doesn't feel like a D1 bussing gamestate to me.

[Something_Smart]

>.<

[Something_Smart]

What is that timer even for

[Something_Smart]

Until your birthday, SS \o/

(expired on 2019-12-19 01:00:00)

[Something_Smart]

FL and Ausuka you guys did awesome. I played badly but I knew that would happen from the moment I rolled vig... I'm a townhunter not a scumhunter and having the responsibility of killing my strongest scumreads is terrifying... I've rolled vig, like, four times? and have yet to kill scum.

FL is by far the superior vig, and dammit we were finally town together and I had to roll my least favorite PR!
I hope this broke the curse though and we can start to roll town together more

[Something_Smart]

Lol. Reading the scum PT it looks like my strategy of "be useless and keep promising content on future days so that scum will leave me alive" backfired because Vorkuta was scared of when I actually started participating