large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: notanaxehole

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: notanaxehole

I guess some habits die old

Isn't it old habits die hard?

[NotAnAxehole]

Wow look at the content you might create with this self vote
Wish i was this good

I'm just identifying scum, what are you doing?

[NotAnAxehole]

Performer is town and I didn't even read his post.

[NotAnAxehole]

I've caught scum guys.

I'll give him some time to defend himself before pushing though.

[NotAnAxehole]

Uhmm, we aren't lynching nom today. How is anyone even considering sheeping fukumaki?

[NotAnAxehole]

Uhmm, we aren't lynching nom today. How is anyone even considering sheeping fukumaki?

Why are you instantly thinking in terms of lynching and not simply wagoning to move the game forward?

Also why do you think my reasons or anyone that sheeped me are bad?

I stopped reading your posts to be honest.

[NotAnAxehole]

Uhmm, we aren't lynching nom today. How is anyone even considering sheeping fukumaki?

Why are you instantly thinking in terms of lynching and not simply wagoning to move the game forward?

Also why do you think my reasons or anyone that sheeped me are bad?

I stopped reading your posts to be honest.

Then...why you think that nomnom is town?

Why would reading your posts have any impact on what I think about nomnom?

[NotAnAxehole]

This discussion is pointless, this is all town, let's stop flooding the tread and allowing scum to lurk.

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: skygazer

Okay, since scum refuses to defend itself, I guess we should just lynch.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't know about Nero, but TheWizard and Skygazer are scum...

Just go and read their ISO.

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean, my ISO is pretty bad and I look like OMFG SUPER OBV TOWN in comparison.

These two are caught scum.

[NotAnAxehole]

Hey guys I’ve just found scum.

VOTE: Axehole

You can try to build a wagon, it won't work.

[NotAnAxehole]

ay lmao

Ay lmao, he asked everyone to form an opinion before building the case.

I'll be the counter wagon for this 1v1, I don't mind. I just want to ensure you get lynched today.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'll build a case on TheWizard while waiting for skygazer to defend himself.

1. You never claim role blocker as VT (Unless you're really bad - in which case lynch is fine)
2. You never claim role blocker as role blocker unless you're getting lynched (Unless you're really bad - in which case the anti-town aspect of role blocker might lead me into the conclusion of point 1)
3. Claiming role blocker as mafia can be OK because you protect yourself from lynch while also likely not claiming the strongest power in the game, allowing you to justify the lack of NK against you. (It's still really bad unless you're actually in a bad spot)

Do we understand now claiming role blocker post 1 and following up with shit is just REALLY bad?

Okay, so I'm also ok with lynching here, but I think skygazer should be today's priority target.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'll build a case on TheWizard while waiting for skygazer to defend himself.

1. You never claim role blocker as VT (Unless you're really bad - in which case lynch is fine)
2. You never claim role blocker as role blocker unless you're getting lynched (Unless you're really bad - in which case the anti-town aspect of role blocker might lead me into the conclusion of point 1)
3. Claiming role blocker as mafia can be OK because you protect yourself from lynch while also likely not claiming the strongest power in the game, allowing you to justify the lack of NK against you. (It's still really bad unless you're actually in a bad spot)

Do we understand now claiming role blocker post 1 and following up with shit is just REALLY bad?

Okay, so I'm also ok with lynching here, but I think skygazer should be today's priority target.

Also of note, claiming role blocker as mafia can get you to play a game without having to lie as mafia, which is always a comfortable position to be in. That is because Mafia Roleblocker is a NORMAL role.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't know about Nero, but TheWizard and Skygazer are scum...

Just go and read their ISO.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Qaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you damn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

VOTE: NotanAxehole

Dumb and scum then?

That's a good combo for us. The town is grateful for your incompetence.

[NotAnAxehole]

skygazer uses "she"/"her"

I'm surprised that is the most egregious thing that you have to point out about the last few posts.

I'll do my best to remember each person's pronouns

[NotAnAxehole]

Well, that elevated quickly...

I'm hovering somewhere between "this is so over the top that its a joke" and "this is newb scum that doesn't know how to react under pressure."

Eh, either way, he is scum. Even if he's town roleblocker, he deserves to be lynched. I think he's just mafia roleblocker though

[NotAnAxehole]

im very confused and very intrigued

How? You know everyone's alignment

[NotAnAxehole]

Spoiler: quoted text

i think sickofit is basically conf-scum at this point tbh

saudade seems town btw

fumuki can b town

nom could b lynchbait

why is axehole still selfvoting

Ok, so since I've given Skygazer every opportunity to play her town game, I guess I'll lay out the case. This is 100% scum meta for Skygazer, it's basically c/p from another game I saw on this site where she is scum. Her town game seems to be injected with minor descriptive points here and there, none of which is present so far.

On top of the meta check, the play is scummy to begin with which is why I checked meta. I think she deflects well when fumuki addresses her and overall doesn't provide any content other than "this may be town", "this is obv scum" - which also is a trait I expect from scum, using absolutes on scum reads and maybes on town reads... With no justification on either.

[NotAnAxehole]

like maybe wizard is scum but so is

VOTE: bob3141

I can get behind that, but I don't think it's a good lynch for today.

I'll build a case on TheWizard while waiting for skygazer to defend himself.

1. You never claim role blocker as VT (Unless you're really bad - in which case lynch is fine)
2. You never claim role blocker as role blocker unless you're getting lynched (Unless you're really bad - in which case the anti-town aspect of role blocker might lead me into the conclusion of point 1)
3. Claiming role blocker as mafia can be OK because you protect yourself from lynch while also likely not claiming the strongest power in the game, allowing you to justify the lack of NK against you. (It's still really bad unless you're actually in a bad spot)

Do we understand now claiming role blocker post 1 and following up with shit is just REALLY bad?

Okay, so I'm also ok with lynching here, but I think skygazer should be today's priority target.

I don't think mafia claims roleblocker either though

His play is a little unorthodox, I don't think that makes him scum at this time

I agree that it's bad in all situations, and that his play being unorthodox doesn't mean he's scum, it's the full picture that does it for me though. The low quality posts + the bad claim + the worse defense.

[NotAnAxehole]

Ill be keeping my Vote on nero for now until he actualy starts making posts that arnt just joke posts or posts that are very light.

This very robotic. He's ignoring the game and just sticking his fingers in his ears. Also no response to 155 so it feels like scum that just refuses to budge b/c he's getting no flak. I'd ask ppl to atleast comment on this but of course, no one is playing anyways

bob, sickofit, maybe buj team or performer?

I don't think his last string of posts are bad at all. He is putting out a very similar argument that I am, and I'm not sure why he would do that as scum. There are better wagons.

The vote staying makes sense toe given that your wagon is still stronger than the other he's building. I think we lynch Skygazer here and then re-evaluate Bob tomorrow.

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: Nero Cain

y?

Least terrible active wagon.

[NotAnAxehole]

Do y'all care to unpack your reasons

why you're voting her?

I feel like if it's an infowagon, there are better ones, but that may be just me

it's my RVS

, what are these better info wagons?

I mean, I'm quoting the question that I was being asked in the post that I'm responding to so I felt it was pretty obvious.

And I also felt like 155 was pretty obvious. I'm not certain that I believe that you honestly missed these posts although scum that knew why I was voting nom and intentionally ignoring 143 and 155 faces considerable backlash and that might not be a thing scum does. Am I just over thinking this?

Who is scum, Bob?

Can you give your top 3-4 town reads and your top 3-4 scum reads?

[NotAnAxehole]

RosterFoster attacking anything against Nero Cain without providing any substance is really weird and noteworthy.

Also, the lack of a single town read from Nero Cain seems like an experienced scum's way of saying I don't want to give up any information if I die.

[NotAnAxehole]

Am I really attacking it though?

You're certainly putting a negative connotation on it without getting too close, which is actually worse than directly going at it hard.

[NotAnAxehole]

lol, axe is trying to push that chain lynch.

Where are your town reads axe and the reasons for them?

My Town picks

RuiRui

- Town, I think this is a consensus light to hard town read.

nomnomnom

- Town, I don't see the scum motivation at all in these posts, I think it's a very solid town.

Sickofit1138

- Town, I think his posts are very townie, doesn't seem to have a clue what's up, though I also probably started skimming his posts more than reading them.

Performer

- Town, I can see why people would be scum reading his few posts, but I actually think they were really good.

Saudade

- Slight Town, I have some associative here that I'm waiting on before wavering too far to the town side on him.

Fumuki

- Slight town, I don't really know since the recent disappearance from the thread. Early on, I was pretty hard on the anti-town townie wagon.

EeveeLution Army

- Slight town, I think this is just failed scum hunting attempts, I'd be lying if I remember anything they've posted, but I had a general town vibe from Eevee.

bob3141

- Slight town, I think his posts have actually been really good. The back peddling is weird, but I've been in that situation as town where the only thing you can do is back peddle your comment and I think he's done a fairly good job of putting his reads out there.

KidAmn

- Slight town, I really like his comment about Bob, but the lack of actions leave me room for doubt.

Null & Scum picks

NerfedBuJ

- Null, majorly due to inactivity

TheWizard

- Slight scum - I don't really see the motivation for his posts as either alignment, so it's probably just bad town / bad scum, either way it's not a huge priority lynch for today. I also think that there is a good chance TheWizard & rosterfoster is T/S, so I'm unsure that Nero is a better lynch than rosterfoster today.

rosterfoster

- Scum, his lack of content while being active is really bad. I'm also questioning when he injects said comments... They seem to attempt at driving the conversation without actually joining it.

Nero Cain

- Scum, the motivations for attacking bob as an experienced player seem forced, at least include some policy talk in there. I just think this push is very fake... The back peddling from Nero is also much worse than that from bob.

Skygazer

- Scum, I think this is an obvious one and should be our D1 lynch, but hey... No one likes this wagon, but yeah... This is my strongest scum read.

[NotAnAxehole]

On my wagon:

3 posts & no content

+

The worst player I've ever seen

+
rosterfoster

Hrmmm... SEEMS LIKE A GOOD WAGON FOLKS.

[NotAnAxehole]

The back peddling from Nero is also much worse than that from bob

What exactly am I back peddling on? That I'm rethinking my Bob read?
.

Vote for skygazer then, there's no way you have anything other than at the very least a minor scum read on her.

[NotAnAxehole]

lmao axe this is possibly the funniest tunnel ive ever seen on me

Is that because it's not a tunnel?

[NotAnAxehole]

I’ve also never understood how people can make such detailed read lists and actually believe them at this stage. Find one scum and lynch them I say.

I will start trying soon dw.

It is opposite of detailed, as Nero Cain so aptly pointed out.

RosterFoster is surprisingly not on either skygazer or Nero's scum list though.. Why?

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm actually coming around to seeing Nero Cain as town. I think the last few pages have been very good from him.

[NotAnAxehole]

UNVOTE:


VOTE: skygazer

[NotAnAxehole]

you can town read me but I'm still lynching you.

Eh, no you're not. I'm not getting lynched today. I'm still L-3.

[NotAnAxehole]

^
setting up a fake pr claim

I've already claimed town.

[NotAnAxehole]

like maybe wizard is scum but so is

VOTE: bob3141

I can get behind that, but I don't think it's a good lynch for today.

Also, this post is really weird if you were town reading Bob and.or scum reading me.

Wanna explain this, axe?

To what end? I'm not getting lynched and I don't want to lynch you.

[NotAnAxehole]

you bit off more than you can chew.

No, to the contrary, I got exactly what I wanted out of our discussion.

[NotAnAxehole]

So, Skygazer... How confident are you about this 1v1?

[NotAnAxehole]

like maybe wizard is scum but so is

VOTE: bob3141

I can get behind that, but I don't think it's a good lynch for today.

Also, this post is really weird if you were town reading Bob and.or scum reading me.

Wanna explain this, axe?

To what end? I'm not getting lynched and I don't want to lynch you.

this is just a stall.

He was trying to setup a Bob wagon for tomorrow and then when I started to turn up the heat on Bob he went for the town cred in defending him. Otherwise the above post makes no sense if Axe thought I was scummy for pushing him.

Yes, I was trying to get a read on you, now we know you're town, you can stop flooding the thread by pushing a bad lynch.

[NotAnAxehole]

I will not stop until you are dead.

Well, clearly experience has no correlation with skill

[NotAnAxehole]

i would argue that there are people contributing less than me

There is a difference between posting and contributing.

[NotAnAxehole]

i am contributing

Well, you're getting lynched today, so you better start demonstrating that you're town if you want any chance of living.

[NotAnAxehole]

ay lmao

Oh? You were under the impression I'm getting lynched?

[NotAnAxehole]

im def not getting lynched on d1

Should play it less scummy then

[NotAnAxehole]

this game isnt fun

Well, rolling scum is probably the worst part of playing mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

I’ve also never understood how people can make such detailed read lists and actually believe them at this stage. Find one scum and lynch them I say.

I will start trying soon dw.

No one actually believes read lists. Read lists are something taught to newbies to make them not be sheep. They aren't of much value once you understand how to actually scumread.

I suppose claiming roleblocker post 1 is something that you acquired through experience?

[NotAnAxehole]

yeah, it's kinda obvious. Its rare but scum have fakeclaimed masons b4.

Uhmm did I miss something? Who claimed Mason?

Also, funny story, we claimed masons d1 in my last scum victory

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, Nero trying to pocket Bob is really weird if he's town... Hrmm

[NotAnAxehole]

This game most certainly requires a ton of emotional energy

or when some stranger calls you a bitch

Forgive me if I dont buy it

meh whatever

i dont fake AtE, if i need to use one as scum i just genuinely vent

I agree.
Which is what I've said, you vented out how emotionally hard this game is as hard.
Thank you for your confession we'll rid you of your troubles with the rope =]

bruh i care much less about catching votes as scum than i do as town, usually because pressure dissipates quickly and i dont take it personally since hey im just caught

when a bunch of players start scumreading me as town because "it's obvious" and calling my frustration with the game fake and like you seem to hate me for some reason??? (don't know why, can't remember what i did in schadd's game we played together but I was scum so if i did something i figured there would be less hard feelings since i was,, you know,, scum) then yeah im gonna get tilted

and one of the players i like and can read is lurking so i feel obligated to vote them even tho theyll probably be one of the few reasons this game could be fun for me :l

and im p sure fumuki site flaked so thats meh

That's interesting, because to your point, I don't feel like you've voiced any in-game frustration, which would indicate that you're scum (by your own words).

[NotAnAxehole]

buj help me TR you please

Now this just seems like scum regretting the vote they casually threw down in a rush to get off my wagon. I think Buj is town if that helps you any.

[NotAnAxehole]

im very confused and very intrigued

true im really good at catching scum ig

u do realize me calling anyone obvscum this early is shitposting, right?
or that i haven't been on site for like 6 months until this month so meta doesn't rlly hold up?
or that i sometimes like to play my reads close to the chest as town?
or etc etc etc

a lot of people who know me super well can't consistently meta me so what makes you think you can?

axe/nom/eevee/buj/sick are the people i could swing towards rn

eevee particularly reminds me a lot of dram's game for some reason

ok why is buj town

You're the one voting him, maybe you should be the one saying why he's scum.

[NotAnAxehole]

god damnit, I fucked up by pressing the multiquote button lol

[NotAnAxehole]

lower post count but if he's sick and is actually town that'll probs change, i feel like he's going for a LHF vote with you esp when i have reason to believe ur town, and the gamestate indicates that scum are fine with the wagons because no strong counterwagons are forming which would indicate that scum are in the lurkers

also i really think he'd push me more for SRing him for lurking rather than just waving away the fact that he was lurking, from what i remember he likes to push ppl SRing him when he's town and tends to avoid it as scum

@Nero Cain

Skygazer contradicts herself a lot, which isn't scummy if it's contradiction between posts made in differing game states... However, I take issue with contradictions like the one that is in the above post.

Here she calls me town while saying that the active wagons (which she's the only real active wagon at that point in time) are probably town because no one is pushing for them to move. If the wagon were on scum, someone would push for it to move...

1) The statement is false, people are pushing other wagons than skygazer
2) The statement is also misleading because the wagon moved off of me pretty rapidly, so either she doesn't town read me or believes scum aren't necessarily the drivers for shifting wagons in this game. - Contrary to the point made in her post.

[NotAnAxehole]

i mean saudade is town for meta reasons, nom/axe are town for secret reasons. i feel like gamestate wise theres scum there but im not even going to try to sort them

axe/nom/saudade are very much not buddyable/p stubborn so id be better off

trying to counterwagon axe if i were scum so

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO!!!

[NotAnAxehole]

So, Skygazer, you basically said that everyone on your wagon is town... Isn't that incentive for people to join the wagon more so than avoid it?

Your if I'm scum point is EXACTLY what you tried to do until you realized it wasn't going to be possible.

And you haven't looked for scum all game, so don't even talk about who's trying to find scum

If the vote wasn't obvious before, it's crystal clear now.

[NotAnAxehole]

1) The statement is false, people are pushing other wagons than skygazer

Really? doesn't feel like anyone is really pushing anything.

2) The statement is also misleading because the wagon moved off of me pretty rapidly, so either she doesn't town read me or believes scum aren't necessarily the drivers for shifting wagons in this game. - Contrary to the point made in her post.

ppl were only unvoting you b/c they think you and nom are hinting masons.

TBF, you don't really have alot of content since you were fake pushing me and that was p much all of your content anyways. So I'd like to know where you are at WRT reads.

People are free to vote me, I have not claimed a thing, nor will I. Seems to me like scum got cold feet because the other votes remained there quite sometime after the initial ones came off.

I mean, you want to know where I am with regards to reads... I scum read Skygazer.

[NotAnAxehole]

i still have yet to see any actual reason for why im scum lol

I still have yet to see any actual reason for why you're not scum. You also don't seem to think that there is a better wagon available.

[NotAnAxehole]

We have a lot of one people wagons, that isn't good imo

Well, given the small size of the Skygazer wagon... If Skygazer flips scum, NotAnAxehole and Performer who are the two counter wagons are basically confirmed town because Scum doesn't feel like they are strong enough wagons to push.

I think the lack of action is likely because Skygazer is scum and Scum got really confused about who they should target when my wagon went south. It would be too obvious if they just immediately started a counter wagon, so I expect one to come later in the day.

Everyone voting for Skygazer is town, so that's positive and it also makes my hypothesis more likely.

[NotAnAxehole]

and if Skygazer doesn't flip scum?

Then we can rely on her scum hunting as being genuine and...

Oh wait...

[NotAnAxehole]

Flavor Leaf replaced into a town slot, i would like to hear what he/she/they have to say.

[NotAnAxehole]

Then we can rely on her scum hunting as being genuine and...

Oh wait...

again this is false. She's very much been hunting or at least gave out a list of who she thinks is scummy.

but its still not kinda what I asked. You are so gung ho on SKY flipping scum that you declared that everyone voting her is town. If she doesn't flip scum then isn't very possible that the majority of her pushers are scum? If you agree with that logic (which I don't see how you could) Who is specifically scummy?

No, the 4 people on her wagon are town regardless of flip.

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: Sky

*vibing.

This one I'm less confident as the other 4, but voting scum is always a +.

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: axe

When you run out of ideas and feel like you've been cornered... So you make the only move that has already been discredited by yourself and others.

If you're town, this is so awful, if you're scum, enjoy your D2 lynch.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Nero Cain,

I'll help you out here since you seem to be lost in the weeds.

If you disagree with a Skygazer lynch, push for a ruirui wagon. I expect your next post to be building a case there.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm just going to try something new.
Let's go with wisdom of the crowd.

If sky flips town right here in day 1 I think town loses, and we prove that democracy doesn't work and enjoy being right personally.

And if she flips scum then we win while doing none of the hard work.

Who do you think is scum? Sickofit? Anyone else?

[NotAnAxehole]

Skygazer, who are your town reads? Who would you like to hear more from?

[NotAnAxehole]

and we prove that democracy doesn't work

Isn't that what the United States Presidential Elections are for?

[NotAnAxehole]

When you run out of ideas and feel like you've been cornered... So you make the only move that has already been discredited by yourself and others.

i like how you keep trying to throw shade but claim you are town reading me.

We can talk about that tomorrow after we lynch Skygazer.

I don't see an issue with pointing out how bad your vote on me is.

[NotAnAxehole]

if axe and nom are open wolfing you could just help me lynch him?

It's too bad your goal is to be right above all else. Mafia must be incredibly frustrating for you. Considering...

[NotAnAxehole]

if she's scum that's a p decent claim.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to disprove, she just needs to kill the person she sends the message to.

[NotAnAxehole]

Or claims to send it to

[NotAnAxehole]

ive been playing kinda slayer's gambitty to get reactions but didnt realize id actually be in danger of being lynched D1

will effort post tonight but please unvote

Why didn't you believe me that you were getting lynched after the wagon against me failed?

It seemed obvious at that point.

[NotAnAxehole]

well if that happens then just lynch me tomorrow ig?? not sending it to someone in danger of being NK'd and ill probs be NK'd anyways now

i honestly didnt see me being wagoned this far this early since the main arguments against me were "its obvious," i was hoping to get wagoned D2/D3 when its provable

Isn't that a bit disingenuous considering you just said you were playing a scummy gambit?

You can't play a scummy gambit and then act surprised when people scum read you.

[NotAnAxehole]

If she's indeed a FN that makes BUJ's go with the flow vote p suspect. I might vote there.

True, but go with the flow votes are suspect in general, so I'm not sure why that's more relevant now than before?

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm ok with swinging onto Nero today.

[NotAnAxehole]

so I'm not sure why that's more relevant now than before?

town can be go with the flowy too though.


VOTE: BUJ

Somehow because Skygazer claimed, I am no longer the top scum read.

Cool.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[NotAnAxehole]

but I'm town

But you don't take my advice to push RuiRui

[NotAnAxehole]

I bet you scum is Buj, Axe, and Performer.

why??

Welcome to my world

[NotAnAxehole]

So, I'm willing to entertain the idea that Nero Cain is town if he can explain how he's so bad with so much experience...

[NotAnAxehole]

Why is BUJ town and why is me changing my mind that Buj is scummier than you scummy for me?

As a singular move, it's actually good.

But you are omiting the fact that you voted me, jumped off the wagon onto something hopeless that you didn't push then jumped back onto me at a really weird time, white knighted Skygazer before claim and then flopped on BuJ

[NotAnAxehole]

Why is BUJ town and why is me changing my mind that Buj is scummier than you scummy for me?

Ugh... I am very confused by Nero's play, but I actually think falling back on a safer lynch is the better play.

VOTE: TheWizard

[NotAnAxehole]

I voted for sky because it's faster to show people they're wrong than to talk them into it. Especially when attempts to explain it have fallen on dead hands. I'm fine losing if it will teach town!nom not to trust and sheep someone that is open wolfing.

I know there are better ways, but I'm a petty man.

Tell me one post in this game that is worse than "Axe is 100% town".

So to respond to you nero, I don't think nom is open wolfing. I think nom is town being pulled by a leash.

@sky - your wagon analysis is wrong imo. Probably 2 scum in the first 4 votes of your wagon.

VOTE: Axe

This is funny.

But it actually has be townreading BuJ

[NotAnAxehole]

speaking of vanity wagons i should probs

VOTE: sick

since no one is interested in buj ig

The main issue I have with voting sick here is that I have a hard time actually believing your claim.

I think TheWizard needs to die, because there is no town roleblocker in this game.

I also think RuiRui is a safe wagon.

[NotAnAxehole]

Axe you haven't played with sky before, have you?

I haven't played with anyone here.

[NotAnAxehole]

Axe you haven't played with sky before, have you?

I haven't played with anyone here.

Though, @BuJ it seems you're the one with deaf ears .

I'm willing to listen to reason as demonstrated by my approach to handling Nero today even though my read is going back and forth, but somehow you think I'm scum.

[NotAnAxehole]

Axe you haven't played with sky before, have you?

I haven't played with anyone here.

Could it really be?

I have a hard time believing it (not that you haven't played with her, but that you're town), but damn.. maybe you're town and nom is the scum instead.

Hell of a play from nom though if that's the case I gotta say.

Like if you had played with sky before that's it you're scum 100%.

Lol

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean, I think it's TheWizard, RuiRui +1.

RuiRui's focus on Performer makes no sense. I mean, performer hasn't screamed town, but to be that fixated on him and not willing to even consider the game happening around them... Is... Highly suspect.

TheWizard claimed roleblocker, if it's a joke, its a scum joke... If it's an actual claim, THERE IS NO TOWN ROLEBLOCKER THIS GAME.

[NotAnAxehole]

Push nom axe it'll be funnier.
If you're going to keep pretending you're town.

Such ballsy play from nom.

You know what I wish I'm wrong. I now wish that axe is town and nom is scum. Would be a far more amazing revelation.

It would be even more hilarious if you're wrong on both. Such failure should cause you to drop your superiority complex.

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean, I think it's TheWizard, RuiRui +1.

RuiRui's focus on Performer makes no sense. I mean, performer hasn't screamed town, but to be that fixated on him and not willing to even consider the game happening around them... Is... Highly suspect.

TheWizard claimed roleblocker, if it's a joke, its a scum joke... If it's an actual claim, THERE IS NO TOWN ROLEBLOCKER THIS GAME.

Then vote wizard because I guarantee you it was a joke.
I just don't know if that makes him scum for sure like you seem to think.

I think his other posts is what makes him scummy.

I am voting TheWizard ya dumb duck.

[NotAnAxehole]

Okay I'll drop my superiority complex if you flip town and nom flips scum. Both has to happen.

Because if you've been reading I'm townreading nom and scumreading you.

You're townreading TheWizard too though. You should vote there with me instead.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't think buj is town.

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

BuJ just seems like a stubborn idiot.

[NotAnAxehole]

Okay I'll drop my superiority complex if you flip town and nom flips scum. Both has to happen.

Because if you've been reading I'm townreading nom and scumreading you.

You're townreading TheWizard too though. You should vote there with me instead.

OH AM I??

Ah, mybad I meant scum reading. Keeping up on this broken phone is difficult. You should understand what I mean to say is vote for TheWizard and stop bussing yourself.

[NotAnAxehole]

It wasn't your individual play necessarily sky, your wagon spewed you town.

The wagon was initially all town though.

[NotAnAxehole]

Like if you had played with sky before that's it you're scum 100%.

but this implies you had a meta read on me too

I don't understand why he pushes this angle as scum...

But I also don't get why he pushes this as town unless he didn't read the thread.

[NotAnAxehole]

Tell me you fake that as town, and break my heart.

But if that's why I'm wrong I'm fine with it

[NotAnAxehole]

and like the fact that my reads are being ignored because axe still sees me as scum is like ??? and he seems stubborn enough that i'll probs still be ignored by him even when im conftown lol

I have a hard time with the wagons you're pushing when your claim has yet to be confirmed... There's no way around that because I was scum reading you pretty hard previously

[NotAnAxehole]

I think BuJ is pushing himself into a corner despite my plea for.him to push a reasonable wagon.... Sooooo

VOTE: BuJ

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: TheWizard
There is no town roleblocker

[NotAnAxehole]

Since this site was founded has no one thought of developing an automated vote tracker? Jeez... It's hard to keep up

[NotAnAxehole]

Uhmm, TheWizard is clearly the right vote. If I'm bluffing about the roleblocker Intel, lynch me tomorrow. I won't even resist, but from my PoV he's basically confirmed scum.

[NotAnAxehole]

NerfedBuJ is suspect after flipping between the SR of axe onto Wizard based on axe's claim I think.

Without a flip it's hard to tell, upon scum flip, you look really bad here.

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbf it might not be as hard as that. Like informed roles can be about what CAN exist, and nothing else, no?

Your call if you wanna claim Axe.

Nero has been role fishing all day, I'm not claiming.

[NotAnAxehole]

What if this is a bus?

[...]

I want a hard claim from axe.

There will be enough support to lynch TheWizard with or without you.

So I don't have to please you. If I were scum I would 100% bus TheWizard in this game, so yes, good point... One to be reviewed tomorrow.

[NotAnAxehole]

The issue with that point is that TheWizard never tried to bus me if we're scum. It would be such a terrible move unless the team is exactly me, TheWizard, nomnom...

Anyway, it's irrelevant before flip, let's talk about this tomorrow.

[NotAnAxehole]

*tries I think he meant.

[NotAnAxehole]

I have not claimed, so I'm not sure how I could possibly fake claimed.

[NotAnAxehole]

exactly. You are hard hinting at a guilty but you aren't locking yourself into a hard claim.

Why would I? TheWizard is always a good lynch here. If you want a hard claim, push me till L-1, I might give you one... Or I might just laugh at you for being so awful and self-hammer ftw.

[NotAnAxehole]

Yeah, Flavor leaf's posting really doesn't look good for him.

[NotAnAxehole]

Yeah... Last game you were an allstar mod... Though, this site is really far too reliant on mods.

[NotAnAxehole]

Ate successful.

I think Wizard’s town.

Serious. Off him. Time to wagon elsewhere.

Weak.

Axe says you're lying about your random and unneccessary roleclaim, what a shock

This probably comes from scum, but I won’t push off that.

I have a deep gut scum read on you, though for some reason, and my guts been good to me lately.

Terrible

[NotAnAxehole]

Unashamed prodge. Work has been kicking my arse, and I need another few hours to decomp.

All I'll note at this point is that Wagonomics

still

hasn't presented a case to go with his vote.

Yeah, I could easily see his slot being scum... There are too many scummy slots, not enough Towny slots though.

[NotAnAxehole]

It's madness that everyone is so scummy, it makes my play and Nero's play look omg obv town despite the fact that I don't feel that way about it at all.

[NotAnAxehole]

Sorry about going afk. I spent the last two days traveling.

Why am I being wagoned?

The fact that TheWizard has not commented about me denying the existence of his role just further confirms the obvious for me.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, if we don't lynch TheWizard, then we lose the D2 confirmation of Skygazer's role.

[NotAnAxehole]

Wagonomics is also scum, but it's better if we lynch the scum roleblocker first I think...

[NotAnAxehole]

Sure, guy who says this is a mechanical 1v1 that demands a day 1 lynch but hasn't actually claimed that then calls people who observe that's insane are "rolefishing" all you've proven, if you're town, is that wizard lied about his role. Is that enough to lynch him from your perspective? Maybe, but the people you're shading about not seeing this as an automatic 1v1 are all people who have a lot of experience with town fakeclaiming day 1. Given wiz claimed totally randomly this 1v1 is not exactly a surefire bet or even particularly stronger than a toneread in my book lol

This is scum

[NotAnAxehole]

So yeah, can we just lynch TheWizard and quick lynch his scum buddy tomorrow, this game is awful... One scum left to find.

[NotAnAxehole]

cause sometimes town traps themselves into a lie for a read

He is not a town roleblocker, I will double down on that.

[NotAnAxehole]

lmao

[NotAnAxehole]

I have a super strong PR i wanna use.

Quick, let's all post in contest of who can appear the most scummy!

And the winner is...

Drumroll

...

...

FLAVOR LEAF

[NotAnAxehole]

That’s a town tell

Sure, it was also a town tell in that other game...

Just staying scummy enough so that you can use your role more hmm?

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm just saying the resemblance to this other game...

Mini Normal 2062: Erinnerungen (um game over)

Indicates that you claim PR and wait for a hammer as scum.

Anyway, 4 people have claimed town PR, I would not be surprised if at least 2 of those are scum. TheWizard remains the lynch, people trying to take the wagon apart seems to indicate that he's scum, given none of these players reacted to the Skygazer lynch.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm pretty sure that town!TheWizard = scum!Nero Cain, I don't think they're scum together, so that's a good clear when TheWizard flips scum. This is just based on how Nero reacted to the skygazer lynch vs this one.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think Scum!FlavorLeaf probably means town!Wagonomics, so I have to town read wagonomics, but I really think one of them is scum.

[NotAnAxehole]

Kidamn seems town, low effort though, so easy fake, but I would bet the game on it being town!kidamn considering the state of things

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm pretty sure that town!TheWizard = scum!Nero Cain, I don't think they're scum together, so that's a good clear when TheWizard flips scum. This is just based on how Nero reacted to the skygazer lynch vs this one.

Meant to quote this one too

You're the one who's trying to oppose the best wagon by voting nomnomnom when you're actually scum reading me. So why not put your vote there?

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm pretty sure that town!TheWizard = scum!Nero Cain, I don't think they're scum together, so that's a good clear when TheWizard flips scum. This is just based on how Nero reacted to the skygazer lynch vs this one.

Meant to quote this one too

You're the one who's trying to oppose the best wagon by voting nomnomnom when you're actually scum reading me. So why not put your vote there?

Ahhhh. Now it makes sense.

Continue your chainsaw.

Vote me

[NotAnAxehole]

Seriously tho can someone vig this guy if we're not gonna lynch him

The people standing up to your moonlogic preflips are not two thirds of the scum team, we're all probably town and we all can't stand you

Lynch me then

[NotAnAxehole]

Everyone in this game can see that TheWizard is the clear best lynch, some people are hesitant because there's no resistance to the wagon, other because they are scum partners. Well, look there is now resistance to the wagon. Let's lynch him, I get proven right. If he flips town, lynch me day 2.

[NotAnAxehole]

As much as I would love to lynch you despite thinking you're just insufferable town, I doubt I could push that through

You're terrible town, so I rather be insufferable. Let's lynch TheWizard and then Flavor Leaf. Or the other way around. I don't care. I'll go 2v1. If either flips town, lynch me day 2.

[NotAnAxehole]

This is just based on how Nero reacted to the skygazer lynch vs this one.

So just 'cause I didn't scumread her means I'm scum? Why can't I just be good? Although its not entirely possible that I was wrong and she's just scum w/ a p good fakeclaim.

No, on the contrary, I think you're town because I don't think you're scum with TheWizard.

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean, scum know that their best bet is to keep TheWizard alive so that he can role block skygazer, then they don't have to waste a night kill on her.

[NotAnAxehole]

Everyone in this game can see that TheWizard is the clear best lynch, some people are hesitant because there's no resistance to the wagon, other because they are scum partners. Well, look there is now resistance to the wagon. Let's lynch him, I get proven right. If he flips town, lynch me day 2.

im hesitant cause i want him to confirm this isnt a gambit

He already did once, but I suppose he can again...

[NotAnAxehole]

No, on the contrary, I think you're town because I don't think you're scum with TheWizard.

but you just got done saying that if Wiz flips town then I'm scum. You are doing alot of chain lynching there.

It's not going to happen, but I do believe that to be true. Regardless, we're lynching me tomorrow if he flips town. It's just not possible.

[NotAnAxehole]

Wanna speed lynch Axe?

VOTE: Axehole

Go for it.

[NotAnAxehole]

Round 2, hopefully this one is more inspired than the last time yall tried to lynch me today. lmao

[NotAnAxehole]

If you're town, vote TheWizard and if he flips town, you can lynch me right away tomorrow, I won't even post. Like shit... It's not possible for him to flip town.

[NotAnAxehole]

Flavor Leaf is also scum, so we can lynch him next once TheWizard flips town.

[NotAnAxehole]

honestly VOTE: thewizard we arent going to get anywhere until something flips. and this gives us the most info even if its town

This deflection, though

You got us. Scum team is me Eevee and nomnomnom. Now bring in your wagon, let's see if you can get a lynch.

I still maintain that anyone with a brain should vote TheWizard.

[NotAnAxehole]

If you're town, vote TheWizard and if he flips town, you can lynch me right away tomorrow, I won't even post. Like shit... It's not possible for him to flip town.

I don’t like that mindset because it implies there’s no world where you’re TvT which makes me lean scum for you.

Nobody should be that certain day 1.

Nobody should claim Roleblocker post 1.

I don't make the rules, I just catch scum. Sorry that you have to be so negatively affected by it. No hard feelings, go die in a fire now please.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Flavor Leaf, when you get dealt a bad scum bud, you should bus. Just fyi.

[NotAnAxehole]

Wanna speed lynch Axe?

VOTE: Axehole

You sound desperate for a lynch.

How about going for the fastest one instead?

I wouldn’t call it desperate. It’s more of a “I’m just gonna post whatever nonsense I feel like until a lynch goes through and gamesolve after Day 1”

That contradicts what you're doing, if you wanted to do that, you'd be voteing for the Wiz

[NotAnAxehole]

Overreaction to my opening vote

and complaining about lack of case is still scummy

Saw a few reasons to invest in KidAmn, Nero, Axe so far, maybe KidAmn and Axe ahead of the others

Not optimistic about investments in sky, bob, fumuki

Performer has permission to flip scum if necessary although I'm not ready to invest there yet

Not sure why Sky rates Nom as a low value investment option, but I'll hold until I think about that slot some more.

Hit page 20 and feeling Kid has very high investment potential

BUY: VOTE: KidAmn Coin

~~going back to page 20 to finish catchup, not opposed to Nero's Axe vote tho~~

More or less caught up, although I didn't deeply dissect every post. Sky townread gets a little muddled in last few pages. Performer has a few gross posts. Glad that I'm townreading Flavor Leaf's predecessor so I don't have to think too much about him. Not entirely sure where the Buj wagon is coming from.

KidAmn seems like a really solid investment still.

This is a lot of fluff wrapped in an unfunny shtick that never actually explains why you think I'm scum.

I look forward to seeing some hastily scraped together justification for this chainsaw for Sky (who I remain unconvinced by) in a day or so.

2 lines of snark is over-reaction.

Reminding people you've not given any case other than me calling you out for not having a case is scummy.

K bro.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wagonomics

There's your reaction. That vote stays there until you can justify your vote with anything of actual substance, because right now it looks a lot like you picked someone who hasn't had time to interact as much as anyone else and decided to see what mileage you could get out of an easy target.

I understand why you would place this vote, but I really think the correct move is for you to move that over to TheWizard, we aren't voting on Wag today, so this is entirely wasted.

[NotAnAxehole]

Chicken’s town

No kidding.

[NotAnAxehole]

My biggest thing is that he supposedly had a guilty on Wiz but was pushing elsewhere for most of the game and I don't think he's explained why.

I did try to push it, but I was immediately countered by someone saying "it is probably a fake claim / RVS joke"... So I put it on the burner until he re-claimed. I believe it was BuJ who argued it could be a fake claim at the time. I did the only meaningful thing I could do which was gather info on skygazer.

[NotAnAxehole]

Axe you’re disturbing me.

Can you claim

something

pls so I know you’re not gambiting. Doesn’t have to be a fullclaim.

And no I’m not going to believe Wizard when/if he retracts.

I don't really know what I can give you without full claiming. Let's just say, right now the 4 active PR claims are setting up for an incredibly town favoured game considering what I know about the set up... Town role blocker doesn't make sense in this set up.

[NotAnAxehole]

I can’t remember.

I don’t remember speaking to him but I am forgetful sometimes.

Pedit: There is only one active PR claim that I can see. Care to tell me the others?

skygazer claimed friendly neighbor
thewizard claimed roleblocker
saudade/wagonomics claimed really strong PR (corrected by wagonomics to even night PR)
Flavor Leaf claimed really strong PR

[NotAnAxehole]

Consider, I have not claimed, I will not claim. I know that this is BS and the roleblocker is almost definitely scum or this set up is incredibly broken with a roleblocker that doesn't claim (which the creator can't assume he will since he should not).

[NotAnAxehole]

1) I believe flavor bullshits to get what he wants and atm, that seems to be anything other than a TheWizard wagon.

2) Yes, it's based on set up and relative balance... Like, it's extreme how town-sided this game would be if all claims turned out to be true. So, they cannot.

[NotAnAxehole]

-I don’t think Flavour’s really weely strong PR
-I’m going to take this as an informed claim. I don’t really see why you wouldn’t out the info at this stage but w/e. The setup is probably balanced so that doesn’t make sense.

I will out my role tomorrow, it's better that way. If TheWizard flips town, lynch me regardless of claim.

[NotAnAxehole]

At least we're in a normal so axe isn't a lyncher/jester

So, please vote TheWizard. He's scum, that is certain.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, for anyone considering the idiocy that Flavor Leaf is pushing, scum!notanaxehole pushes a stronger target than TheWizard... Like, I had a wagon behind me coming off of the Skygazer lynch, it would have been easy to go on someone who already had 1-2 vote OR on a stronger player. Like, a weak player with 0 votes is never my target as scum here when I have some backing.

[NotAnAxehole]

Yeah, you’re pushing me. You just aren’t voting me

You're tomorrow's vote. We've been over this.

[NotAnAxehole]

Now help me lynch your scum buddy

[NotAnAxehole]

Yeah, you’re pushing me. You just aren’t voting me

We can make a deal, if at any point today, I vote you, then everyone should immediately lynch me. If TheWizard flips scum, you are instantly lynched tomorrow and if TheWizard flips town, I am instantly lynched tomorrow. How's that sound?

[NotAnAxehole]

We can of course avoid all of that if you just vote for TheWizard now... But looks like you're not interested in bussing your partner.

[NotAnAxehole]

Because wagonomics

Everyone in my PoE is still off the wagon at L-2, so thats a good sign.

[NotAnAxehole]

Nero Cain, Krazy, Boonskiies have 23 years of site experience together.

That 23 years does nothing towards determining your alignment.

[NotAnAxehole]

What does your extensive experience tell you about the lynch today? Do you somehow see the wagons flipping? If not what's the point of waiting outside the wagon? It's not like you're getting anything out of this discussion.

[NotAnAxehole]

That it’s a mislynch, and you’re probably town too.

Nobody’s taking the bait and jumping on you yet, though

Ah, so you're trying to pocket me now? Is that the goal of all this posturing?

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm super obviously town, so I'm glad you finally came to that conclusion (yet are still voting me).. anyway, from your experience...

What are the odds that you die tomorrow if TheWizard does in fact flip scum?

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm super obviously town, so I'm glad you finally came to that conclusion (yet are still voting me).. anyway, from your experience...

What are the odds that you die tomorrow if TheWizard does in fact flip scum?

Zero

I will see to that then

[NotAnAxehole]

It’s zero...i’ll Just claim Day 3 IC if I seem to be going down

Oh, you think a claim will save you, that's cute.

[NotAnAxehole]

Somehow flavor leaf forgot we are lynching a claimed Roleblocker today

[NotAnAxehole]

Scum roleblocker, but still

[NotAnAxehole]

wait wizard's claim is serious?

Yes

[NotAnAxehole]

He posted again to confirm, but completely ignored the fact that I called it BS

[NotAnAxehole]

It's funny that your only objection to voting TheWizard is that you don't like my play style... Despite the fact that your PoE is entirely off the wagon.

[NotAnAxehole]

It's funny that your only objection to voting TheWizard is that you don't like my play style... Despite the fact that your PoE is entirely off the wagon.

Sounds like an accurate description of how I feel about this game rn

Then vote and be done with it! We can move onto day 2

[NotAnAxehole]

Wagonomatrix, vote with the wagon, gogogo.

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh right bujaber/performer/bob

Sad day when I temporarily forget performer is in the game

I do thi nk bujaber has decent equity for how he responded to the 1v1 but you moved off buj for sick right? Is sick still lower than buj for you?

Let's reread bob real fast

idk i forgot about buj for a hot minute until just now

i hate larges

Larges require lynches, it's the two week deadline that's killer, we just need to kill someone.

[NotAnAxehole]

How good do you feel about nom? 75%? Or lower?

Me?

[NotAnAxehole]

Wagamama, put this at L-1 please.

[NotAnAxehole]

pressure votes are a thing and wagon not liking ur response to a naked vote is a valid reason to SR you

You're right, pressure votes *are* a thing! It's a shame Wagonomics has never even pretended this was a pressure vote, huh?

Saw a few reasons to invest in KidAmn, Nero, Axe so far, maybe KidAmn and Axe ahead of the others

Not optimistic about investments in sky, bob, fumuki

Performer has permission to flip scum if necessary although I'm not ready to invest there yet

Not sure why Sky rates Nom as a low value investment option, but I'll hold until I think about that slot some more.

Hit page 20 and feeling Kid has very high investment potential

BUY: VOTE: KidAmn Coin

~~going back to page 20 to finish catchup, not opposed to Nero's Axe vote tho~~

I'm Krazy, FL, you always gutread me as scum.

VOTE: kidamn

Why don't we go here?

Or give me a reason why this is not the path FL

Probably.im pretty jetlagged rn

But you commenting on what I was doing without intervening seemed scummy in the moment

VOTE: kidamn

Overreaction to my opening vote and complaining about lack of case is

still scummy

Emphasis in bold added for clarification for you. Wagonomics has gone from "several reasons" (never given) to "tell me why not" to justification of his push on me with things they dislike that occurred after their push began. Wagonomics has never once pretended this was pressure, so why are you trying to bail him out with

further

post-hoc justification? Why is me pointing out these logical holes and ass-backward approach to this push scummy? I'm still waiting.

PEdit:

not sure if ive ever seen scum actually try to set up chain lynches anyways lol

Not played much mafia, huh.

i mean its hard enough getting to the point where ur trusted enough to be a town leader

but then maintaining that town leader position and going for mislynch after mislynch just doesnt rlly feel like a viable scum strategy because the paranoia sets in after a while

cant say ive played in too many games with deepwolves doin that

I've intentionally claimed a guilty on a scumbuddy before (offsite, sadly) and then used that to lead town on a merry dance to endgame before.

Why aren't you on TheWizard wagon?

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't think wizard is scum though

Well, unfortunately, you weren't here all day, and this is who we're lynching.

[NotAnAxehole]

Skygazer (7): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Saudade,

KidAmn

, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ, bob3141
TheWizard (6): NotAnAxehole, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ, nomnomnom,

EeveeLution Army

, bob3141

Interesting. I would like to know why KidAmn is not voting for TheWizard?

Why EeveeLution Army was not voting Skygazer?

What caused bob so much hesitation before rejoining the wagon the second time, either you trust that the wagon is town or you don't?

[NotAnAxehole]

Honestly, the Saudade slot & the bob slot come out looking pretty bad for voting wagons. (of course Saudade got replaced and Wagamama doesn't necessarily agree with Saudade's reads, which could play into that discrepancy)

[NotAnAxehole]

@KidAmn, same question is I directed at bob, why are you not on TheWizard lynch? It makes your first move on Skygazer seem very opportunistic.

[NotAnAxehole]

I've been busy and only skimming this game really, work and graduation are biting me in the butt with business. So that's my excuse for not being active as I should and only skimming

I was ready to sheep axe as I thought he was obv town, and I was gonna hop on the wizard wagon. But I'm not so sure I like that 1v1 anymore.

Axe's "lynch me tomorrow if he flips town regardless of my claim" sounds more like a scum thing to say, which has been my first reason to believe axe might not be obv town. I'm still learning town on the Axe slot and believe axe is town over wizard tho.

Another thing that concerns me is the speed of the wagon, because if Axe and wizard are both town, it's an easy double mislynch since axe seems so adamant about going into the 1v1.

I think I can hop onto the wizard wagon if axe claims his roll, but without a solid claim as to why he knows wizard is lying, I would rather not lynch in them for now.

Pretty sure Nero is town. Granted, I have only one or two games with him but his play is very familiar with town!nero, but I'm sure most of you guys have better meta knowledge of him. Plus, he is being very skeptical and pushing at slots which seem read by most as town.

I think think one of Wagonomics/Flavor Leaf might be scum. I'm gonna go more into my reads on them later and tbh I'm skimming but this was my gut read.

If you think 4 days is a fast wagon, I'm guessing you're a sloth?

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

Claim?

I promise to claim the moment Day 2 starts.

[NotAnAxehole]

You being dumb is not a good reason for me to claim.

[NotAnAxehole]

.

Tbh

I'm very likely just being dumb

, but I don't see a reason not to claim today.

[NotAnAxehole]

Someone explain to me why I'm being dumb.

Is my last post explanation enough?

[NotAnAxehole]

How about, I'm leading a wagon that is L-2, that seems to be good reason not to claim today.

There is no way I'm getting lynched, another good reason not to claim today.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Sick - if one of wagon or myself are scum theother will catch it soon enough

Yep, he will probably catch you tomorrow

[NotAnAxehole]

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Slightly omgus-y but I didn't appreciate his "secret scum tell" thing and how he doesn't want to out his reason.

And it is a safer lynch than wizard, in my opinion.

Why bother voting at all if you're just going to put out a throwaway vote.

[NotAnAxehole]

Most likely, Axe is scum and there's a scum roleblocker. He likely inferred (incorrectly) that there wouldn't be a town roleblocker. Since (in his view) I was a fake claiming townie, I would be an easy lynch.

That is why he doesn't believe my claim, and why he is pushing me.

I don't get this, if I'm scum then I'm not inferring anything, I'm just lying.

Interesting that you don't directly address the issues presented against you though...

[NotAnAxehole]

After Sky claimed and she was no longer going to get lynched he (axe) was tied for the leading wagon, it was then that he claimed his guilty. It doesn't seem that impossible to me that scum him would fake claim a guilty just to get one use out of his night action.

???

LMFAO.

This is the most ridiculous thing you've said all game, like I was the leading wagon before Skygazer and the leading wagon after. Big deal... The fact that you think you've influenced anything this game is actually hilarious.

[NotAnAxehole]

Still catching up from the massive explosion in the past several hours for posts...

Why does scum claim roleblocker though?

Part of me has started wondering if it's because there are 2 anti-town teams, which is allowed in normal games. As in there could be 2 scum teams (maybe 2 scum, and 2 scum) or 1 scum team (like 3 scum) with 1 sk. So, thewiz claiming town rb could be serial killer rb or scum 1-shot rb or some crazy thing. But I think there are better candidates than thewiz today because if we lynch that and he DOES turn out to be town rb, that would be awful.

Scum would need some insane firepower in order for a town roleblocker to even start making the least bit of sense.

[NotAnAxehole]

Though there are several PR claims, so maybe they are scum fake claims or maybe there is a SK... I just want to kill someone so that we can validate who's right and who is retarded

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, @wagamama, you got it wrong

The gambit for me was to get people to vote against me so that I could take over control of the main wagon.

It is not so much a gambit against TheWizard... I will eat my hat if TheWizard is town, I'm just not buying it at all given set up. That is not a gambit, that is me inferring based on relative balance.

[NotAnAxehole]

Eh, what I know about this game balances it at 3 vs 10...

This is 3 vs 12.

We have a claimed IC and claimed Roleblocker... You want to claim your role too? Add to the pile of broken town roles we have?

Unless scum is fully decked out, I don't see it, I will not consider it. Our best odds today are shooting in the claims.

[NotAnAxehole]

Let's kill TheWizard, then we can kill me if I'm lying.

[NotAnAxehole]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

Snap nom read the op

Well apparently not everyone did given the current discussion soooo

I did not

[NotAnAxehole]

@Perf @Waga wagon this Wizard.

[NotAnAxehole]

Who is ela?

[NotAnAxehole]

Who is ela?

Dude performer sell me on kid town because I do not see that at all

Kid is definitely in the PoE, I think TheWizard kill will help us sort him because of the Skygazer wagon vs TheWizard wagon reactions.