Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Flavor Leaf]

I said in my personal PT

“man, I really don’t want to have to 1v1 scum Vedith.” Paraphrased.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, Vedith slipped.

He can’t know I’m a goon. He’d know if I were Vanilla or not.

[Flavor Leaf]

I claim a PR in nearly every one of my VT games.

[Flavor Leaf]

So if he were to have gotten a Vanilla on me, his perspective it isn’t a hard guilty, but his agenda has to push it as it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not panicking.

Why does everyone always go to that?

I don’t panic when I’m scum, I just go into hyper brain blast mode.

I am not pushing any sort of BS here today. I’m just game solving, and going after all potential possibilities.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Vedith and RCEnigma.

End of story.

I die today, no matter what, those are the people you lynch.

Vedith first.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it is insanely ridiculous that I’m even on the table today, to be honest.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE, you see that I’m town, right?

Vedith is confirmed scum then as well, and it still let’s you do your doc thing if you’re doc.

[Flavor Leaf]

It doesn't matter what I think your alignment is because it can be resolved.

What happens if you and Alch are both town?

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually that's weird to ask me. Me, you, and alchemist can't all be town.

Vedith/Vorkuta is the only way, but that is like the last of my things and more tinfoil.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s literally what I do as town. :shrug:

Slaxx literally said that earlier.

Plain and simple, Vorkuta, if you are town, you are just wrong and refusing to look over it, and as town, that will account for one of the reasons we lose this game. If you’re scum, carry on.

[Flavor Leaf]

In our recently completed game you flipped your reads so much as town it made my head spin so if it comes down to you and I in lylo and you’re town I think we will work through it like we did last time

Slaxx explaining my town game, which had just recently finished at the time this was said.

When I don’t flip flop my reads onto every pairing, that’s when I’m scum

[Flavor Leaf]

if you are town, you are just wrong and refusing to look over it, and as town, that will account for one of the reasons we lose this game

I'm sold. I'll sheep you FL. Win

us

town

the game. /s

I remember when my attitude towards FL was "meh I'll just pray he's town because if he isn't then we lost".
No.

Well, that’s your own fault too. Just because you were fooled once doesn’t mean i’m Scum here.

Don’t have the meh attitude about and do the damn work to see that i’m Town.

Don’t take my word. YOU do the work.

Right now, if you’re town, you’re sitting on that paranoid “FL can and will do anything!!” mindset and you’re gonna have to get over that, because you’re flat out wrong and Vedith is abusing your poor play.

[Flavor Leaf]

And somebody answer me this- if FL is not scum, why is one of me/Ausuka not dead tonight?

Have you even been reading?

Both of the doctor claims claimed to have targeted Ausuka.

There was no town flip.

The SCUM kill was on Ausuka, and one of Alchemist/RCE blocked the kill.

HIT flipped RED because I am a Vig who shot him.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I am LITERALLY confirmed town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Something_Smart in the dead thread - Holy damn.

[Flavor Leaf]

Guys Vedith is never scum here. Trust me on this one.

Please can you clarify this.

No, that’s why I’m telling you to trust me. Call it gut if you want but it is what it is.

Unrelated, I’m not opposed to a fus wagon and we do need a good wagon going so

VOTE: Fuscosco

I can’t trust you because vEdith is looking sooooo scummy

Did alch move his vote from vedith to fusc here?

Occam’s razor for me coming into this Day was Vedith and alchemist. Obviously they’re playing some distancing games no matter who the scum team is.

Vedith is lock scum based on me being confirmed town and him fightinghis way to try and make sure that doesn’t happen.

I came into this day ready to say that’s a solve, but Vorkuta started to be surface level town or is just scum, so he’s throwing me off.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who were we protected by? Who did scum try to kill?

IF IF IF it's actually town!FL (no) THEN we have doc claims.
This would point to scum!anyone targetting Ausuka, Ausuka saved by doc, and vig!FL shooting Hitalt.

COUNTERCLAIM

I am a 2-shot Doc.

N1 I was on Vedith.
N2 I was on Ausuka.

Well my save was Ausuka so Ausuka and Baezu confirmed regardless.

Vork that’s literally what happened

Oh
My
Fucking
God

Am I being trolled?

[Flavor Leaf]

I am LITERALLY confirmed town.

I went back to another game just to find this quote.

I should be MothafuckingconftownBoon at this point.

EXACTLY IM NOT MOTHAFUCKINGCONFTOWNBOON IM JUST TOWN.

MothafuckingconftownBoon is always scum now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vorkuta, I’m not screwing you over here.

I see exactly what you’re going through. I’ve had many players, specifically newer players, who i bond with, have a solid town game, then they feel hurt that they didn’t see that I was scum, and then the next game I play with them, they’re too paranoid to see that I’m actually just town.

A player named Dunkerdoodles this happened with hard too, and he started tunneling me every game when I was town.

Gamma Emerald went through an ultra paranoid phase with me.

Hell, RCow tunnels me every single town game of mine.

Vorkuta...

Trust

In

Me.

And vote Vedith. Please.

[Flavor Leaf]

but Vorkuta started to be surface level town

How the fuck is me unraveling this scum!FL jig/masterplan operation a """surface level town""" play???
Wow. Discredit me more.

BECAUSE I’M TOWN!!!

You HAVE to believe I killed Hit no matter what.

You can straight face 100% say that I, as scum, chose to shoot my partner, not go to Lylo today, all for the chance I’d just live?

Easier play would be to kill a townie, and fake a doctor claim with another player to force a 1v1.

The doctor 1v1 is actually happening anyways, which makes me even more townie BECAUSE SCUM FLIPPED LAST NIGHT.

Are you willing to look incredibly dumb post game if you are town when you realize you just let the fear of my potential scum game take over you completely that you think I’d actively throw a game winning perfect victory away?

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma Emerald went through an ultra paranoid phase with me.

Oh god in Starcraft 2 I fooled the hell out of Gamma as scum and they were 100% confident in their ability to read me. Is this what I have to look forward to next time I play with them? How bad is their ultra-paranoia?

Gamma Emerald did a mason claim gambit with me, and then lynched a Role cop confirmed miller in 3p lylo with scum me, so he had reason.

Vorkuta saw my worst scum game in years, and is like that, which is why I don’t even know if I believe it.

Vedith is confirmed scum. Never let that go away.

[Flavor Leaf]

All your play here if town, Vorkuta, is just making it incredibly easy for me to win the next time I roll scum against you.

I’ve also given up trying to explain it to Vorkuta. He’s hopeless town at this point or scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Whatever

[Flavor Leaf]

Is that unfair to be wary of?

Yes, because it attacks my character like I’d put the flashy play above my teammates ability to play the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am LITERALLY confirmed town.

I went back to another game just to find this quote.

I should be MothafuckingconftownBoon at this point.

And was he town in that game?

I was scum there, and the scenario was I claimed miller, and Creature investigated me n1, but because I claimed miller, it was already good.

Also i pushes a hypothetical RCE town clear on me, but he was dead
I wasn’t actually conf town there.

Here we have legit proof that I shot scum. That’s an undeniable fact.

The thing under question is did I use the factional scum kill on my partner Hit, or was it a Vig shot.

You can’t think I’m scum without thinking that i legit outright shot my own scum partner.

I’m seriously so fucking done explaining this for the 8th+ time.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m fucked, if there are two scum, whichever wagon I jump on has the potential to quickhammer

Ausuka, what should I do?

1 scum is literally confirmed in Vedith.

The other scum is in the doctor counterclaim 1v1.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL is just saying now he's confirmed.
The only confirmation we have is that scum can kill scum.

FL has no leg to stand on here. There is confirmed scum in me or him.
And the fact he calls me scum knowing I only accept my lynch as town here proves it even more that he's scum.

Let's make a better tomorrow, today.
\o/

Nah. I don’t kill my own scummates, and you know I wouldn’t as scum.

I have a Mafia moral code, and that’s something I don’t really pass.

[Flavor Leaf]

I disagree. I would take the lynch over the partners. I would do anything, but I would be able to find a more plausible solution than killing my own teammate. I play as a team, not solo scum player.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, I would. It’s pure WIFOM, but for post game everyone here, know that I just don’t and wouldn’t do that as scum. Ever.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just like I wouldn't promote myself to be lynched and put myself into a 1v1 outside of LyLo, but yet I'm still scum?

Come on FL you can do better than that

Spoiler:

In before me and FL are scum and we're securing an easy win.

Except that plan fails because we kill you, you flip red, Vorkuta still goes after me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would Scum!Vedith make both docs town? Doesn't jive here.

Because it protects his partner if Vedith flips.

I never kill my scum partner :shrug:

People who think I would can’t claim to read me after this game.

Vedith is just scum, though, I feel he knows I wouldn’t do that.

[Flavor Leaf]

There were 8 players alive 5v3. It would be 4v3 if they killed town. That's the same situation as here.

It became 5v2. They got a ml through with the vig claim towncred making it 3v2. They were caught because there were too many PR claims and their play was quite scummy so town figured out that scum killed their own.

Also I Ctrl+F'd the normal game archive. I found three 13p games with an odd night and even night, one with a n2 and n3 and one with a 1s dayvig and 1s nightvig.

But nothing comes close to a 12p game with a FULL vig and 1/2 shot vig.

Killing a scum partner here brings you back a whole extra mislynch, though. I’m not like that as scum, Ausuka. You’ve seen my scum game. I’m always about progressing forward. Hell, I’m about taking shortcuts to progress forward as scum.

You know this.

I don’t attempt to AtE you as scum, either.

[Flavor Leaf]

Frankly it kills me inside that there were multiple games you could link to where scum NK’d themselves. If that’s becoming the new meta I might leave.

I’ll make sure it doesn’t! That’s just silly to do that.

Glad we’re on the same page.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, I would. It’s pure WIFOM, but for post game everyone here, know that I just don’t and wouldn’t do that as scum. Ever.

If you flip green- I’m holding you to this FL

Yes. Hold me to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I spent the whole night making sure I hit the right target.

I stated that I started out shooting Alchemist, moved onto RCEnigma, and then went to Hit.

Claimed Day 3 IC because I knew I was a Vig.

That’s a hard fabricated case.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not killed because scumwanted to mislynch me. Still do. They didn’t believe y IC claim, which is why I said earlier claiming IC helps me not get night killed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I came into this day phase saying it’s Alchemist/Vedith, and I spent all night phase going over all possible scum pairings.

That’s the epitome of my town game, and you know it.

I don’t flip flop when I’m scum like this

[Flavor Leaf]

Fl why exactly did you shoot Hit?

Because I went through 30 posts of in depth analysis, with vote counts, and rereading the thread, and objectives.

and there were 5 people left where 3 of them could be scum.

RCEnigma, Hit, Vorkuta, Alchemist, Vedith.

I knew 3 of them were scum, so I went out of my way to not only find which one of them were the scum team, i had to figure out which one was the scum protective because I HAD to get a successful shot in.

From the beginning I thought RCEnigma was lock scum, but I knew scum had to Ben on the Fusc wagon, and an RCEnigma/Vedith/Hit team means there weren’t any. I wasn’t completely ruling that out, but that’s a little rough.

Most of my analysis I was just trying to find a reason to actually town read Vedith, and I couldn’t, which is why i couldn’t settle on a scum team.

Eventually, Vedith-Alchemist came along, and for a second I thought they could have been masons, so I was almost trusting Alchemist blindly because “does Alchemist have something we don’t?” We now know he wanted us to blindly trust his read on vedith when Vedith was getting ran up.

He also put the 3rd vote onto Fusc, and during the Volxen wagon, he was going back and forth a bit.

So a mixture of VCA, objective, and associations, and when I started to look at RCEnigma coming from town, I realized RCEnigma actually played decently well. Fusc has strong reads on a reread, and he was stating Hit was scum all game.

On top of that, both Slaxx and SS brought up Hit from time to time. And Vedith made the big should shoot in Volxen, Ausuka, Vedith comment.

We know Volxen and Ausuka are both town. I felt that Vedith was trying to bait a Vig onto him, and then SS-Vedith Vig talk came about.

Hit made sense as the doctor because of that.

I also started to town read Vorkuta by the end of night on a reread, and as I said before, one of Vorkuta and Hit were scum.

I essentially did a “at least one of (name here) (name here) is scum” based on wagon analysis and associations.

I have like 30 posts in my personal PT you guys can look at post game. I’m rather proud of it.

I think i’ve had a kickass town game this game, and I put the work in.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you guys Sheep my reads completely if I agree to go down today and give me a “damn, good shirt Flavor” post game?

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok I’ll wait for vork to claim, then I’m going to place my vote

I’ll join on me.

You lynch Vedith-Alchemist in that order.

Got it, Ausuka?

I will flip town. I am correct. That is why I am being targeted.

I am heavily judging majority of your play right now, but still

You lynch me, and on a Green flip, you SHEEP what I said.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

Do you understand me, Vorkuta, Baezu?

No exceptions.

You Sheep my reads.

You lynch Vedith.

Then you lynch Alchemist.

No matter what.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you guys Sheep my reads completely if I agree to go down today and give me a “damn, good shirt Flavor” post game?

Damn, good shit.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL how did you know there was a protective?

I get most of your thoughts but I don't get really how they link to Scum!Hit other than the part where you townread Vorkuta. Like, Vedith is scum and that means Hit is the doc? Idgi.

If we lynch FL sure I'm down for that.

Because I’m a Vig and SS was also a Vig, and I figured out they likely knew there was a Vig.

Actually, 2-shot Doctor implies that town has Vig in its own right really.

Ausuka, I’ve had a crazy strong town game here.

If you need my green flip to prove it, so be it.

But just trust in me afterwards. I’ve put the work in.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll post some of my updated work.

I learned to slam on the break

[5]

Something_Smart

:

Alchemist21

6,

Something_Smart

7,

Vorkuta

12,

Vedith

13,

RCEnigma

18
[2]

Fuscosco

:

Fuscosco

9,

HitAlt

19
[1]

Vedith

:

Baezu

10
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14

[3] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf, Slaxx,

Ausuka

Step into my candy store

[4]

Something_Smart

:

Alchemist21

6,

Something_Smart

7,

Vedith

13,

RCEnigma

18
[2]

RCEnigma

:

ausuka

26,

Slaxx

51
[1]

Fuscosco : Fuscosco

9
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Volxen

:

Vorkuta

57
[1]

Ausuka

:

HitAlt

59

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf

,

Baezu

62

I’m just Michael in the bathroom at a party

[3]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122
[2]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96,

Ausuka

108
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7
[1]

RCEnigma

:

Slaxx

51
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Vedith

92
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Vedith

:

Fuscosco

94
[1]

Flavor Leaf

:

Baezu

146

[1] Not Voting :

Flavor Lea

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[/quote]

[Flavor Leaf]

there’s a princess in a tower

[4]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168
[1]

HitAlt

:

Slaxx

194
[1]

SLaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Vedith

92
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Vedith

:

Fuscosco

94

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf,

Baezu

156

everybody’s playing the game but nobody’s rules are the same

[4]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168
[2]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14,

Fuscosco

347
[1]

Ausuka

:

Baezu

222
[1]

Fusosco : Slaxx

340
[1]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf

250,

Vedith

272

Look at me, I’m the king of new york

[5]

Baezu

:

Alchemist21

107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168,

Slaxx

424
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Ausuka : Baezu

222
[1]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7

[3] Not Voting : Flavor Leaf 250, Umlaut 272, Fuscosco 377

[Flavor Leaf]

Alchemist-Vorkuta-Hit didn’t make sense as scum because all 3 were on Baezu and I didn’t see Baezu as that high priority of a target, so that’s why only 1 and exactly 1 of Alchemist-Vorkuta are scum, which coincides with the Fusc wagon as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alchemist-Vedith-RCEnigma-Vorkuta were all on SS at one point as well.

Exactly 2 of them are scum. Hit was the scum off the wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also thought Vedith and RCEnigma were both baiting Vig kills so i expected them to be protected from scum, which is another reason I didn’t want to shoot RCE

[Flavor Leaf]

Day ending wagons

Day 1

[7]

volxen

:

Flavor Leaf

890,

Baezu

903,

Slaxx

930,

Vedith

1008,

HitAlt

1097,

Alchemist21

1306,

Vorkuta

1374
[2]

Vorkuta

:

RCEnigma

722,

Something_Smart

1202
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Fuscosco

1050
[1]

Slaxx

:

volxen

1015
[1]

Vedith

:

Ausuka

1242

Day 2

[5]

Fuscosco

:

Vorkuta

1395,

Fuscosco

1397,

Alchemist21

1633,

Ausuka

1661,

Flavor Leaf

1663
[1]

Ausuka

:

Vedith

1580
[1]

Vedith

:

RCEnigma

1584
[1]

Vorkuta

:

HitAlt

1614

[1] Not Voting :

Baezu

[Flavor Leaf]

My green flip, you realize how clutch my Vig shot actually is.

[Flavor Leaf]

For the team to be Hit, Vedith, RCEnigma, that would mean the entire Fusc was EVERY single town in the game minus Baezu.

So that implies one of Alchemist/Vorkuta.

Vorkuta comes off as genuine, so if he’s town, he just really needs to do something about his play, because it’s not working. You need to learn to adapt mid game not post game. That’s just pointless.

If he’s scum, I guess he played well, but I think he’s town, and there’s quite a bit of stuff happening in this game that shows he is as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you're red flip shows that I'm just the best. \o/

This literally is a pointless post, and I’m not posting any of this for you. I’m posting it for the rest of the townies.

[Flavor Leaf]

There was also a time where Slaxx, Alchemist, and Vedith were all on me right before I claimed Day 3 IC, and they reluctantly moved away, so that shows a pairing between a Alchemist and Vedith.

Also, Ausuka brought up that they thought Alchemist was the dedicated mislynch yesterday, when Vedith and Hit has brought up potential Alch, but neither of them actually pushed there, they just were commenting. Hit didn’t even make a scum thing.

However, Fuscosco also brought it up, and pushed there, making it seem like it was the mislynch.

You were right on the money yesterday, Ausuka, with Vedith.

And Alchemist convinced you elsewhere.

Hit was on Vorkuta, which was the other possible counterwagon to Vedith, and it split them up on VC’s well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here is a paraphrased post of some of my analysis in my night phase near the end. Keep in mind I was going through conclusions to try and find who could be scum with who, I’ve been posting stuff like that in thread anyways. Here it is all together.

At least 1 of Hit/Vorkuta

At least 1 of Hit/Vedith

At least 1 of Vorkuta/Alchemist

1 or the other of Hit/Vorkuta

At least 2 of Vorkuta/Alchemist/Hit/Vedith

Vorkuta being town solves this.

Vorkuta does have reasons to be town. He asks questions, might’ve felt actually upset that I wasn’t town reading him anymore, and trying to help be town read. Now he’s ultra paranoid.

it’s Vedith, Alchemist, Hit.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m wrong it’s RCEnigma.

That’s why Vedith’s been pushing the both docs town if FL was town thing.

You guys are the final 1v1, so if you’re town, Alch, maybe it’ll show.

But the way you’re playing makes perfect sense as the scum counterpart to Vedith hard pushing me.

You both realize how incredibly townie I actually am right now, and that’s the kicker to it all.

Vedith has to hard hard hard push me which he took advantage of the Vorkuta poor play.

You do the opposite for distancing and damage control.

[Flavor Leaf]

In my mind, FL is the lynch today regardless, just waiting for vork

Yes. I’ll even self hammer if you guys follow my work.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith is 100% scum.

Alchemist is 85%.

RC got that 15%.

Vedith tomorrow, Alchemist the next day unless RCEnigma is just scummy scum scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Loyal doctor on Ausuka 100% of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

After Vorkuta claims, I’ll go down.

No matter what!!!! VEDITH IS LYNCHED TOMORROW.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m wrong it’s RCEnigma.

That’s why Vedith’s been pushing the both docs town if FL was town thing.

You guys are the final 1v1, so if you’re town, Alch, maybe it’ll show.

But the way you’re playing makes perfect sense as the scum counterpart to Vedith hard pushing me.

You both realize how incredibly townie I actually am right now, and that’s the kicker to it all.

Vedith has to hard hard hard push me which he took advantage of the Vorkuta poor play.

You do the opposite for distancing and damage control.

Everyone but me is saying you could still be scum. Do you think I don’t be like “well I guess he could be” to blend in?

RCE has also town read me, but I admit, you’re townie. I just think it was also the optimal play for you to end game over RCE.

And RCE-Vedith has some issues on a Hit team. Maybe it is RCE.

You lynch Vedith tomorrow, not RCE. You do that end game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, Alchemist is confirmed scum.

He conf town reads me, yet is actively staying away from Vedith vs Myself.

If he actually was reading me, and not just knowing I’m town, he’d know Vedith is confscum here already too.

It’s Alchemist and Vedith.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith is just trying to obv distance himself from Alchemist before he goes down tomorrow to give Alchemist the best chance at winning in End Game.

Vorkuta, you SHEEP ME AFTER MY FLIP. You understand that? Do NOT THROW THIS GAME

[Flavor Leaf]

"Vedith is distancing from Alch" *FL distances from Alch*

This also objectively doesn’t make sense on his part.

I’m accepting the flip, and if I were to red flip, none of what I am saying matters so he’s playing the definition of projecting.

My green flip should make all of this obvious. I need to flip today. Nobody else should even be on the table at this point.

I flip, you sheep me, town.

Hands down.

No exceptions.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will also accept apologies in the form of Moment of Brilliance for the game solve or Master Strategist noms for that clutch Vig shot post game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can see Slaxx in the dead PT now
"Vedith!
Vedith!
Vedith!"

"Hes so smart and strong"

"Hes great wooooow"

You haven’t really even done anything...

But you did come after me in this 1v1 to help your scum wincon pretty well. I’ll give ya that

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s what i did to RCow in that Morality game essentially.

[Flavor Leaf]

And if we know that one of alchemist and RCE is scum does it make more sense to vote one of those today?

I mean, yeah, we can go Alchemist today, but that sets me up for a game losing mislynch, and vorkuta’s refusing to analyze.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s what i did to RCow in that Morality game essentially.

On day 1. Then RC replaced out to not be able to push it.
Relevance means nothing with this.

RC replaces out anytime things don’t go his way.

Relevance means nothing with this.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Baezu - you believe I killed my own scum partner instead of going to Lylo here as well?

[Flavor Leaf]

No I don’t

Then that means Vedith is confirmed scum. We’re in a direct 1v1 and he claimed a hard guilty.

Lynching Vedith and him flipping red is the same thing as Me flipping green, unless you think it’s Vedith and myself as the scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’ve heard and seen the legend of ScumFlavor...

This is the legend of TownFlavor, which is even more dangerous and renowned.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait what did Vedith claim? Vedith and Alchemist can't both be scum and I might throw because he counterclaimed me. Is Vedith TMI'ing with the both docs town thing?

Yes.

That makes me feel much better with the Vorkuta stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

This means it’s Vorkuta and Vedith.

Yay!!! Alchemist!!!! You’re actually town!

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Flavor Leaf]

Vorkuta never pushes me like that with Alchemist as his teammate.

That’s a Vedith play

[Flavor Leaf]

Vedith is scum.

He literally claimed a guilty on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vedith

[Flavor Leaf]

I hope to god my Vorkuta-RCE-Hit team wasn’t correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

But it’s plain to seeeeee...evil inside of me.

Is on the riiiii

III


Iiiise.

[Flavor Leaf]

For the record, had Ausuka died, I would have lynched RCEnigma.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I might be throwing, but I really feel it’s RCE.

[Flavor Leaf]

As town I think you would be evaluating around the lynch yesterday, Ausuka wasn't on it, I wasn't on it and Vedith flipped as town. There's always 1 between you and FL.

There’s never 1 within me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, Vedith claimed a hard guilty on me. I even thought he might’ve been town yesterday. Alchemist and I have been on every single wagon. RCE has been on none.

[Flavor Leaf]

there’s a princess in a tower

[4]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168
[1]

HitAlt

:

Slaxx

194
[1]

SLaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Vedith

92
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Vedith

:

Fuscosco

94

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf,

Baezu

156

everybody’s playing the game but nobody’s rules are the same

[4]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168
[2]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14,

Fuscosco

347
[1]

Ausuka

:

Baezu

222
[1]

Fusosco : Slaxx

340
[1]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf

250,

Vedith

272

Look at me, I’m the king of new york

[5]

Baezu

:

Alchemist21

107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122,

Ausuka

168,

Slaxx

424
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Ausuka : Baezu

222
[1]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7

[3] Not Voting : Flavor Leaf 250, Umlaut 272, Fuscosco 377

For Alchemist to be scum, that means they all 3 were the only ones on Baezu for a bit, and they stayed there for a while right next to each other, and I don’t believe hat happened on Baezu...

I’m very aware that maybe Alch is actually just obv scum, but I think it’s worth discussing and going over.

RCEnigma and Alchemist have both been my main scum reads since Day 1.

My team that i thought was most likely going in after Fuscosco was RCE, Vorkuta, Hit.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s RCEnigma.

[Flavor Leaf]

When I made the comments about RCE and Vedith both trying to appease and Vig hunt, RCE even admitted to doing it, but in a different way. Vedith didn’t even comment on it really. Vedith is now flipped town.

RCE’s ISO when you put in Hit and Vorkuta are both scum show their cohesion and their trajectory, and how he was containing everyone.

2 days ago, RCE kept staying out of the hard discussion, and said things like “If it’s Alchemist and FL...” which is what vedith was pushing without saying until afterwards. Vorkuta hard pushed me. Hard.

There wasn’t a bone in my body that felt Alchemist would have voted me there that day either, but I was feeling like RCE was acting like he wasn’t going to, but would have “compromised”.

That then would have setup a Flavor-Vedith or Flavor-Alchemist mislynch path which was victory for Vorkuta/RCE.

RCE also said he’d dig into me if this was my scum game; I have had scum say this to me before in the exact same scenario, so that set me off. It was a way to gain my trust, which it does, but scum do that. I’ve seen it. ZZZX did it to me years ago, and in reverse, and post game he felt so bad. It’s why I like to keep my Moral playstyle for mafia, because you can play a little rough and rowdy, but don’t Heel it up that hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

For the record, had Ausuka died, I would have lynched RCEnigma.

Tbh I was going to be on you at first but I would have been outplaying myself I think.

I believe you thought about choosing that as the gambit you had to make, yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alchemist had zero reason to defend me the way he was.

RCE would have voted me. It’s obvious by the way he was posting that day. He was just posturing.

If I were to have been lynched, Alchemist would have won, even if he ended up going down.

What does get me is he did call Vorkuta more likely stubborn town than scum, but I thought that too.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE is the one that pushed the 2 docs is TMI thing by Vedith

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I don’t think it was correct to entertain the idea of me being scum there. RCE entertained it because I was a possible mislynch.

I wasn’t a possible mislynch to Alchemist.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the surface level stuff is almost town indicative, and I believe RCE played a decently manipulative scum game.

[Flavor Leaf]

fl are you trying to talk to me or drown me out so you can get your way?

I’m just trying to figure it out.

I understand the Alchemist push, I just don’t really think it’s him.

I’m not trying to get my way at all here, I’m just not allowing myself to vote until I know, you know?

[Flavor Leaf]

I get why Alchemist is the “obvious” scum candidate, and I’d feel really bad if I’m just flossing over it.

I just think RCEnigma is scum, and I don’t know how to change that at the moment.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think they all were on that Baezu wagon alone.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll post some of my updated work.

I learned to slam on the break

[5]

Something_Smart

:

Alchemist21

6,

Something_Smart

7,

Vorkuta

12,

Vedith

13,

RCEnigma

18
[2]

Fuscosco

:

Fuscosco

9,

HitAlt

19
[1]

Vedith

:

Baezu

10
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14

[3] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf, Slaxx,

Ausuka

Step into my candy store

[4]

Something_Smart

:

Alchemist21

6,

Something_Smart

7,

Vedith

13,

RCEnigma

18
[2]

RCEnigma

:

ausuka

26,

Slaxx

51
[1]

Fuscosco : Fuscosco

9
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Volxen

:

Vorkuta

57
[1]

Ausuka

:

HitAlt

59

[2] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf

,

Baezu

62

I’m just Michael in the bathroom at a party

[3]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122
[2]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96,

Ausuka

108
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7
[1]

RCEnigma

:

Slaxx

51
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Vedith

92
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Vedith

:

Fuscosco

94
[1]

Flavor Leaf

:

Baezu

146

[1] Not Voting :

Flavor Lea

f

[/quote]

I keep coming back to Michael in the Bathroom at a party.

Knock, knock, knock, knock.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just Michael in the bathroom at a party

[3]

Baezu

:

Alchemist

21 107

Vorkuta

112,

HitAlt

122
[2]

Slaxx

:

RCEnigma

96,

Ausuka

108
[1]

Something_Smart : Something_Smart

7
[1]

RCEnigma

:

Slaxx

51
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Vedith

92
[1]

Vorkuta

:

Volxen

14
[1]

Vedith

:

Fuscosco

94
[1]

Flavor Leaf

:

Baezu

146

[1] Not Voting :

Flavor Leaf

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

[7]

volxen

:

Flavor Leaf

890,

Baezu

903,

Slaxx

930,

Vedith

1008,

HitAlt

1097,

Alchemist21

1306,

Vorkuta

1374
[2]

Vorkuta

:

RCEnigma

722,

Something_Smart

1202
[1]

Fuscosco

:

Fuscosco

1050
[1]

Slaxx

:

volxen

1015
[1]

Vedith

:

Ausuka

1242

They all 3 paired up again here. I don’t know, I just don’t think that happens like this with Alchemist as scum.

You’re right. RCEnigma did play it ‘better’. But I think it’s because he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

They all would have had to start it, and you jumped on next. I feel like it was just 2 of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yo

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: RCEnigma

I was gonna hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE was just posturing and he didn’t believe my Day 3 IC, which makes sense.

He was playing around me all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL you one shot or what?

I claimed 2-shot, but yes, I’m 1-shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think I'll be able to convince you I'm town I have to lean on Ausuka to do it.

Why?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Alchemist

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m fucking with y’all.

I killed my own partner

[Flavor Leaf]

Yay!!! I let go of that Lock RCE Scum Hong I had all game for a great character development moment at the end.

[Flavor Leaf]

that was a lie i don't actually hate you but please don't do that to me ever again.

gg everyone and thank you very much for modding dannflor. i enjoyed this.

Lol, I was typing that I was JK, but it locked.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good game everyone.

For the record everything I said in FL’s defense was genuine.

That’s one of the things that got me.

Why was I even on the table that day?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL out of curiousity why did you decide to hammer Alch?

I put my faith in you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m fucking with y’all.

I killed my own partner

*tears trickling down face*
Great game guys!
Thanks for making my first scum experience a memorable one!

I was so shook when you came after me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Deadass said I killed my own partner after my awesome kill on Hit once I decided to shoot him since he was the protective.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you imagine if SS and FL had both claimed while alive.

Lol, I’d never claim my actual role that early.

[Flavor Leaf]

well played guys.

boons, theres a reason people pl that kind of stuff. Anyone less right and we'd have lost/

Definitely, but I’m not a PL, and I have enough solid logic and analyzing skills to back it up, and I’ll actively point out my reaction test.

If you read the scum thread, you can see how much my WIFOM played into the game.

And I ended up becoming obviously town, and we won the game.

Also, now I see why I was so flip floppy at the end. They were playing towards me. Glad you broke me out of that Ausuka.

I also scum read Alchemist literally every single day phase at one point, so of course I was getting played there.

[Flavor Leaf]

How popular is like... scum fakeclaiming a guilty on scum?

asking for a friend

That’s how I got this banner and my scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Great modding, Dann. Liked the flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

My Private thread I asked for after Fusc got lynched, and if you look at it, it’s really all like 4 hours of me just doing work.

I nailed HitAlt because of it as the protective.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ausuka - Another one of the things I had to look into was Slaxx, Alch, and Vedith all on me at once, and I thought that was less likely to be all town than the Baezu was to be all scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

This makes me want to rule out {RCE, Fusco, SS, FL} for now if we accept the premise Baezu is actually town here.

If these are all town slots, whew. Ausuka/FL/SS townblock would make me sweat as scum. Sorry fusco I think you're town I just don't know you as a player.

Did it make you guys sweat?

[Flavor Leaf]

I personally think the Ausuka-Flavor combination was some pretty epic town play. I can’t remember the last town game I had where it came down to some heavy analysis, and just meshed. I don’t think we’ve ever meshed so well before, either. We have a lot of games under our belts, tooz

[Flavor Leaf]

My Hit shot was the most important Night Action of my mafia career.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think you played really well, Vork.

We just also played really well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I said...the most important night action I’ve ever had to make...haha

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanted to nominate some group combination of this town for Moment of Brilliance because I think Ausuka deserves it at the very least.