911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)

[Yes Mafia]

Sup
VOTE: No Lynch

[Yes Mafia]

VOTE: insomnia

[Yes Mafia]

I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles

[Yes Mafia]

UNVOTE:

[Yes Mafia]

VOTE: tris

[Yes Mafia]

I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles

YM, why these four in particular as a group? I can draw names out of a hat but that wouldn't mean much. Do you see a connection between these four that I don't?

Senor Elbirn, my lynch pool now = tris/gl/rooster/skittles/enigma/volx

[Yes Mafia]

Vote Count 1.4

Yes Mafia (6) - volxen, Baezu, skitter30, Invisibility, rosterfoster, tris
Elbirn (2) - GuiltyLion, insomnia
Invisibility (2) - MariaR, ofrhz
insomnia (1) - Yes Mafia

Not Voting (2) - Enigma, Elbirn

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

at least 1 scum off the wagon at that point . doubt the entire team was voting me up to that moment

[Yes Mafia]

1. they provide entertainment

VOTE: engima

[Yes Mafia]

volx hasnt posted in over 4 days

[Yes Mafia]

my lynch pool now =

tris/

bae/guiltylion/rooster/skittles/enigma/volxen

[Yes Mafia]

Maria needs to be protective target #1

[Yes Mafia]

Hey ofrhz and others I recognize! Anyway I completely did a slip with this account as I still have access to it...sigh. Was checking some administration things, had some time, popped in to post, realized it wasn't the right account. I pmed the host to remove that post but she wasn't on at the time and now, this all happened. Ugh...

Anyway while that occurred, I feel it would be unfair of me to just mistakenly post as one of the accounts from this hydra and leave it at that, so here are some of my thoughts while I have the time to be able to post from the account that nm and I share.

ins = seems town, though the scummy actions of threatening a hammering/role fishing me/voting himself were ridiculously scummy. However, later on I found that I felt like his posts didn't demonstrate a scum agenda. If he is scum, he would be ridiculously sloppy with all those actions I observed. In fact, he defended scum me in dunnstral's game we just came from. So I think insom is town, though some of his play hasn't been good, I think he's just sloppy town. I remember I brought up a few things for him to catch up on in that game we came from where he replaced in, and some of his play here reminded me of that. Also, I don't think scum insom goes this far to play sloppily, I vote him because I first thought he was scum, then I unvote, then he voted me and has been pushing for my death - that sequence makes me think it's likelier town than scum

invis = i've played with invis as my scum partner before and have played with town him in multiple games. Seems way too comfortable here to be scum, as his scum game was strained and he didn't seem like he liked playing as scum. His posts seem out of his scum range

ofhrz = his posts here don't seem forced like micc's large theme game we just came from, where he was non town

elb = friend of vars, and I like his town play very much. Never seen his scum game before. I think he's town here & I especially like how he asked enigma not once but twice about his baezu vote - that's some good follow-up

lion = seriously doesn't look like town, called mari & I scum and I know I'm definitely town

skitter = skitter is one of those players who's very dangerous and can deep wolf in a game, so she's good at looking town. The big focus on "who is YM, is it nm, is it perf, is it some spoof acct, it's hard to read it," just looks like fluff posting that seem lamist. I just saw some sort of scum team award she got so that's not going to help with the paranoia . Anyway it all started when she posted about invis & me being scum, which I disagreed with so I think skitter isn't town. Other than that I am tone reading this slot and I don't feel that it's town

enig = the scumread on this slot is largely since his stalling posts as they reminded me of his scum game where he got to the end of ofrhz's hosted game. He's good at messing with people's associatives for the scum team

bae = due to interactions and weird callout of 3 people who she thought were town and later switched them all to being possibly scum. Downright bizarre to say the least

roster = tone & poe to be honest. This scumread I'm less confident on, compared to say, enigma, skitter, lion

tris = also a tone read...the 3 Im least familiar with are bae, rost, tris. It doesnt feel like tris is scum. The whole unvote-then-vote-ym again scenario felt like that came from town

mari = her catchup analyses were great and if my meta with her scum & town games is right along with those analyses, then mari is protective target # 1 tonight . If I am wrong about her being town, then I have to point out that mari has a wide scum range like skitter and is capable of deep wolfing....this is more a just in case thought than anything else at this point

volx = voteparked me and has been the least active of any of us. Could be coasting scum

-Performer

[Yes Mafia]

Vote Count 1.12

skitter30 (6)

- tris, ofrhz, Enigma, GuiltyLion, rosterfoster, MariaR

Baezu (2)

- Elbirn, insomnia

tris (1)

- skitter30

Enigma (1)

- Yes Mafia

Yes Mafia (1)

- Invisibility

Not Voting (2)

- volxen, Baezu

As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

You have

(expired on 2019-04-16 23:24:30)

until the deadline.

intent to hammer

@Skitter speak now or forever hold your peace (aka claim)

You stole my line

[Yes Mafia]

I missed my hammer opportunity

VOTE: B
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[Yes Mafia]

I didn't even recall GuiltyLion was in the game

[Yes Mafia]

My pool now is Baezu/rooster/Enigma/volxen/Vedith

[Yes Mafia]

VOTE: Enigma

Sup

[Yes Mafia]

why did tris vote me

like this

and not unvote
I voted volxen because he shaded someone early then did jack s word

what are the baezu skitter associatives

I think this is scum making a case before gathering the evidence
VOTE: roster

VOTE: Invisibility

[Yes Mafia]

It's probably just Vedith
VOTE: Vedith

[Yes Mafia]

Hi everyone, Performer head here.

I too am of the suspicion that there could be at least 1 scum in the hood consisting of tris/invis/volx. However, as crazy as it is, I've seen and personally have been in hoods containing all town - I was in a large normal that had an innocent child town neighbor, town neighborizer, and I was a vengeful town neighbor . So with that & what I've seen in the thread, I had to do some more investigation & so I'll go into that below.

I want to follow-up on roster's question to tris - do you have any other results? A scum neighbor isn't out of the question but the way tris & invis have been acting, it still makes me have some doubt about them being scum.

What's also interesting is that maria has pushed the whole tris/gl (ved)/invis scum suspects . This has happened as early as d1 and gl ended up voting skitter , which I assume was a bus.
By this point ved stated he thinks people off the wagon like elb/invis/mari are scum , and by the fact that they've been game solving and staying reasonably involved, I don't think so.
bae's 381 especially her readslist, also made me wonder about scum ved. Her 456, 512, 513, and 697 make me think it might not be mari or invis.

Also a town ved wouldn't shy away from people voting him, like mari did. enig & mari did call ved scummy earlier in the game. A review of gl's ISO calling certain people scum or certain people town, was also fishy. that slot is probably the team's deep wolf at this point.
All those points got me thinking and so I spoke with nm and we decided to vote ved.

[Yes Mafia]

invis what's your read on ved & tris?


Regarding a mass claim idea - it has potential to help in the current gamestate. I also agree with rost that insom should've claimed last with the role and results he has. I thought the order should've been something like ved, mari, invis and tris , everyone else, insom, rost.

[Yes Mafia]

Vote Count 2.6

Baezu (6) - tris, Yes Mafia, volxen, Enigma, insomnia, Vedith
rosterfoster (1) - Invisibility
Invisibility (1) - MariaR
Vedith (1) - rosterfoster

Not Voting (2) - Baezu, Elbirn

As there are 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

With a look at the end of day 2 vc here, comparing that to what ved has posted today d3 - it just gets fishier to me.

"Oh I plan to vote insom , death to him!
Eh scum is maybe off the wagon"

Well with what happened between volx & rost on n2, rost is next to confirmed town . So that only leaves elb/invis/mari. Yet ved voted insom, then later stated scum is probably off the wagon? Just gets fishier & fishier.

Something else that bugs me is how quiet mari has been . However, town her has a pattern of being less involved than scum her so I still don't think it's mari. if I'm wrong well then I suck

[Yes Mafia]

VOTE: maria
why did you vote me yesterday

invis she's been thinking you were scummy since d1

[Yes Mafia]

should I just wait my turn to massckaim or

I think we're just waiting for mari to claim next now.

[Yes Mafia]

I don't know if that's aimed at nm or what, but go review gl/skit/bae's ISOs . then look at d3 ved, mari, and your posts, as well as the interactions today. and why would scum mari of all people go kill volx.

Let's assume If bae did check volx on n1 as she was a 1-shot rolecop - wouldn't she have to be able to make it to n2 to tell her buddies anyway? But she wasn't able to because we lynched the right 2nd scum.
So then why would a scum mari exist here, who goes kill volx on n2? It really doesn't make sense to me.
And a scum invis, well, I've been scum with you and I don't see you go killing volxen of all people like this.

[Yes Mafia]

VOTE: maria
why did you vote me yesterday

invis she's been thinking you were scummy since d1

how much has she explained

All tht was being said was that she didn't just say you're scummy on d2. She's been alright with your lynch since d1, so why wait until now to vote mari...

[Yes Mafia]

(prob a strongman if the jk/doctor are real)

Uh.

insom jailed you while you docced ofhrz on n1. It's somewhat bizarre that you put out this possibility without mentioning at all that what if there is no strongman. This just makes me more paranoid because it reminds me of the Children of Hurin theme game where you fake claimed town parity cop, but were actually the mafia godfather....so we ended up losing that game.

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if there were no strongman, then insom jail maria, maria doc ofhrz - means the protection on ofrhz failed due to insom jailkeeping maria. So it could mean there is no strongman. however if both protectives are truly town, then existence of a strongman is possible because it makes a ton of sense for mafia strongman against doc+jk. but with a redirector, who knows, maybe there was no need for a strongman anyway...

Mechanically, setups consisting of town jk+doc are incredibly bizarre....I don't recall ever seeing both exist in a setup from top of my head.

@mod curious question - was this setup reviewed, and if so by who?

[Yes Mafia]

UNVOTE:

I'm also vt.

In the case of a mislynch - with roster cleared by night actions, a doc, and jk, I agree that the doc should protect jk while the jk jailkeeps at night.

[Yes Mafia]

Invis who is scum other than mari?

[Yes Mafia]

While reviewing claims and skimming invis's ISO, something occurred to me - he never ended up on the eod skitter or baezu wagons. He claimed vt BUT the problem there is that if they were all neighbors to BEGIN with, shouldn't they all be claiming town neighbor ________?? Looking at the mod's post of "deceased players," we see that volx was town neighbor 2-shot redirector.

invis simply claimed vt. That is incredibly fishy & doesn't add up. I hypothesize he's possibly a mafia neighbor, and that he didn't think through the fake claim and just claimed vt instead.

Still have 10 days left but intent to vote invis (upon votecount, since we're in unison to not end the day yet).

[Yes Mafia]

tris were you 3 neighbors from the very start?
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skitter30, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 1
ofrhz, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1
Baezu, 1-shot Mafia Role Cop, lynched Day 2

volxen, Neighbor & 2-shot Redirector, killed n2. redirected bae to roster on n1, redirected roster to ym on n2
tris said on d3 she's neighbors with invis & volx
insom jk on mari n1, then on roster n2
mari doc protection on ofrhz n1, then on tris n2

vt - ym, enig, invis (fake claim), ved, elb

[Yes Mafia]

i don't see mari nearly as cleared as roster.

there is a world I can see where bae would rolecop on n1 since she was only 1 shot, so volx redirecting bae to roster meant the 2 remaining scum team members found out roster's role on n1. then if a scum mari existed, she would kill ofrhz AND if she's scum strongman, nothing in the claims so far would prevent that because a strongman cannot be stopped. so it's rather convenient for mari to claim doc in this case...it's also a popular fake claim role for scum, along with bodyguard/etcetera.

mari was not highly suspected on d1, so I could imagine in this world of bae+mari remaining, that bae would rolecop while mari performed the kill because she wasn't highly suspected (was insom the only person who suspected her that much??) so she thought she could get away with all this as scum strongman.

it's interesting that invis voted mari, mari claimed and later went to vote elb, elb voted invis...but if mari were actual town doc I would've expected her to say invis is scummy/suspicious based on the events that occurred. Hm....

[Yes Mafia]

This is where I'm at in terms of the setup speculation. I'm not as great as Jingle at this but this is what I've got so far below:

Setup A

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

Setup B

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman
vs
town doc, jk, 3 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

If this world exists, then there will be some chaotic wifom happening if we mislynch.

Setup C

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a possible world, considering the mod created a hybrid role of the neighbor having redirect ability (more than 1 ability). So a hybrid scum is possible too.

Setup D

mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman
vs
jk, 3 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a world where mari fake claimed doc so there is no doc, and invis messed up his claim of vt but is actually town neighbor .
pedit: tris confirmed volx+invis+tris were neighbors from the start

[Yes Mafia]

More thoughts:

Setup C
mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a possible world, considering the mod created a hybrid role of the neighbor having redirect ability (more than 1 ability). So a hybrid scum is possible too.

Considering if mari & insom are town along with tris's statement - then we could be looking at a mafia strongman neighbor . I've never heard of such a wacky thing....then again, this is a theme game and I myself have hosted a game where there was ascetic tracker, and this role isn't even as bizarre as other more bizarre roles I've seen before..

I DO like that mari voted elb for doubting that there was a doc & jk in the setup , even though I wish she would've addressed the ved & invis votes on her. This also makes sense with the talk of invis being in the hood and so he murdered volx on n2.

I'm waiting for the mod vc now.

[Yes Mafia]

The possibility of strongman really does complicate things.

Yes.

I've arrived at the conclusion that it's got to be invis. mari is my next best guess if it's wrong but that's more for another day.

[Yes Mafia]

Tris I'd like to know who you think is town and who is scum, and why.

[Yes Mafia]

Docs can't heal the same target on consecutive nights.

It depends on what the mod allowed in the setup and if maria was truth telling about being a town doctor.

[Yes Mafia]

VOTE: Yes Mafia

VOTE: tris
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Something that's baffled me is the roster kill.
Like why not kill who insom said he'd jail - vedith, kill insom, or kill mari??

It makes me wonder that the scum doesn't have unlimited shot if strongman, or that they're not strongman to begin with.


If we look at possible scum insom, then he'd have to have fake claimed jk, said he'll jail ved, and wow if insom is scum who did this big gambit, then wow.
If we look at possible scum maria, then killing insom IS going to be suspicious.
If we look at possible scum ved, well a scum ved just does not make sense to me combined with his entrance on d4.
I only partly agree with Engima about the # of factors and using itt scumhunting.

[Yes Mafia]

Scum is in Maria/Insomnia/Enigma

Why am I town?

[Yes Mafia]

Yes, hi. Looking back at the first two days, Enigma is very unlikely to be mafia. He suspicious of Skitter early on, and was early on the wagon. He also floated the idea of Skitter Baezu team on day 1, and followed that up with being on the Baezu wagon on day 2. There would have to be some extreme busing for him to be scum.

While Yes only expressed suspicions of Skitter after that wagon was growing and wasn't even voting her, he did vote Baezu pretty early on day 2.

Maria really does look scummier, but I'm not comfortable lynching the possible doctor. So, I'm still voting Yes who is the least town of the other players.

UNVOTE:

eh, this is a good analysis and I'm back to thinking that town would think like this.
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Do you think Enigma is more likely than Yes mafia?

Yes
But I think Maria or Insomnia is even more likely.

I don't think that was busing.

I don't see elb/insom likely, and recently I don't think tris is likely anymore. Problem with enig is I played against scum him and he lurks/stalls as scum, and he bussed his partner and he's good at sounding town when he's scum. That's got me paranoid.

[Yes Mafia]

If we lynch Maria and she's not scum, won't you die?

This is also why tris is likely town, because if we really think of it, if we risked lynching mari, then insom is likelier to die tonight if mari is really town.

I lied about being vanilla town. No, you cant know what my role is. If I had anything else to claim I would have by now. I have an innocent on Maria.

[Yes Mafia]

Enigma is always town too.

Disagree. I'd like to hear why you think he's town .

The voting of skit+bae , the stalling like going v/la , poe, and the gamesolving of everyone else on d4 so far , points me to enig.
In the game I played with him, reviewing posts 2302 to 3280 on pg 1 (he was scum with bujaber) , this and that game are comparable combined to the above points.

VOTE: Enigma

[Yes Mafia]

You jail Elbrin
Maria protects you

I want to offer an alternate idea to the remaining claimed prs if enig is still somehow not scum, though I think it's likeliest that he's scum:
-insom jails someone outside of the prs (because scum will have to kill a pr eventually anyway , and then people in day play would be able to compare the pr claims against the claimed results)
-mari protects insom again
-elb checks someone other than ved/insom/mari

[Yes Mafia]

In the game I played with him, reviewing posts 2302 to 3280 on pg 1 (he was scum with bujaber) , this and that game are comparable combined to the above points.

forgot the link:

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